The picture was the Christmas message left by the relief society on our door step.
God's love is contingent on our righteousness. In other words, God does not love everyone, but only those that are righteous. Am I interpreting this wrong?
The best church leaders recognize that the church is a business and its product is bullshit, aka fake history, aka the mythic past.
I read an article about the movie Pans labyrinth where Benicio del Toro said that the theme of the movie is how the Catholic Church attempts to create fascist regimes. Interesting how churches work.
Mormon God is very insecure and petty. He needs your obedience so he can love you, otherwise he becomes very angry and full of wrath just like every other malignant narcissist.
It's pretty much a given that our god is an outcast from the council of gods, assigned to this solar system. As is the case in mortality, some of us simply end up with lousy, angry, insecure, narcissistic parents.
If you're not doing what god the church tells you to do, you won't feel god's love.
On a personal note, I'm totally cool not feeling god's love and living my own life. I didn't feel that love much even when I was a fully invested and very obedient TBM.
“A full measure” is what we decide it is; Mormon corp has already said that we can’t comprehend all of god’s love cuz we’re lowly mortals. So super double nothing
Our ability to sense a full measure of God's love or to continue in His love is contingent on our righteous actions and desires. the right dosage of prescription meds for mental health purposes.
“Not everyone gets the same version of me. One person might tell you I'm an amazing, beautiful soul, the other might say I'm a cold-hearted bastard. Believe them both.”
—Often falsely attributed to both Tom Hardy and the movie Grey Gardens (good quote, lots of debate on original source)
Not that I support anything they said, but technically no, god would still love you, but you're "ability to sense" it or experience it depends on doing what they say. It becomes a bit of a semantics argument I suppose, but from their perspective, they've guarded against that argument and from any criticism of "but god loves everyone" with their "ability to sense" stuff. Ok, done with that 🤮
This is where the arrogance of most Mormons comes into play. No grace, just works only and they appear much more "worthy" on the outside than most of us feel on the inside!
What is Mormon Christmas without adding a layer of guilt into a message. It’s literally so impossible for them to simply wish someone a Merry Christmas isn’t it?
absolute bullshit. a god whose love you can only feel when you’re doing everything right? some god.
my God reaches me in the depths of my heartbreak, my own selfishness, my own imperfections. . God is God because He can transform man not just despite his sin, but even working through the consequences of his sin. anything else is a god that is much too small for me.
Prophet: But people are faulted and will never be "perfect". Why did a perfect God make imperfect people?
God: Well, . . . . we're going to need a mediator to cover for all of mankind's sins. A Christ of sorts. It'll be an expression of my love to the . . . .
Prophet: Oooo, I know, we'll make a church and charge people money so they can get back into heaven.
God: What?
People: Ya, 10% of their income for the rest of their lives. We'll be rich. And your love is only given to those who can afford it.
Total BS. Now let me guess righteous per Mormon slang is being true blue Mormon and never forget to pay to acquire a special permit to participate in Temple creepiness. Mormon God is very different from all other Gods. Told ya. Wonder what would they say if you tlel them you had personal revelation from God to leave Mormonism alone.
This is how TBM parents learn that there is no such thing as Unconditional Love, and are willing to outright reject their own children for any number of arbitrary rules broken.
You know, at some point the “we know God promised miracles, unconditional love and solace, but not until you pay ten percent and try harder” crowd is gonna realize maybe this isn’t Jesus’s gospel after all.
Well, that says it all. Make sure the other Christian churches get to see this quote. That will throw the kabosh on LDS ever getting close to mainstream Christianity.
I’d leave a note on the RS president door with a message. And then something to the effect that if she or someone who represents the RS ever steps on your property again you will consider them trespassing and take appropriate actions.
While I agree this is a poorly chosen quote. To put it in context you would need to read the talk Mcune was quoting the idea from given by Renlund. The quote doesnt question whether god loves us just that our ability to feel it may vary based on things we may be facing in life or distractions maybe. Makes sense to me.
So, the fella who makes all the rules has a rule that, even though his love is eternal and unconditional, there are conditions to us being able to feel it?
Oh, when I left work the other night I had a delightful message from M. Russell Ballard on my windshield along with a little Jesus and a candy cane. Merry Fucking Christmas, sinners!
LOLOL
“God and sinners reconcile”
Nah, our Christmas message is going to be finger pointing, blaming, and chastising the recipients of this card.
Exactly, this is what I was thinking. I mean honestly, what kind of Christmas message is this???
There you go. Say the quiet part out loud. Mormon Jesus only loves you if you do what his profits say
Let me correct you (like a good gossipy morm would do) …
Profits, CEO’s, and realtors
First time I’ve seen this. I’m cackling!
The best church leaders recognize that the church is a business and its product is bullshit, aka fake history, aka the mythic past.
I read an article about the movie Pans labyrinth where Benicio del Toro said that the theme of the movie is how the Catholic Church attempts to create fascist regimes. Interesting how churches work.
💰 🤑 💰
It has such a THREATENING feel
Right? It’s gross. 🤢 I totally agree. Cut it up and toss it!
I’m so sick of this church saying that what you have is cool and all but to have SALVATION and JOY TM you have to do it OUR way lol.
So disingenuous
You know what they say. You can leave the church. But you can’t stop the church from leaving passive aggressive notes. Or something like that.
Mormon God is very insecure and petty. He needs your obedience so he can love you, otherwise he becomes very angry and full of wrath just like every other malignant narcissist.
He also loves himself a submissive harem just like any other Gooner!
Gooner. You must be young or have young kids!
It's pretty much a given that our god is an outcast from the council of gods, assigned to this solar system. As is the case in mortality, some of us simply end up with lousy, angry, insecure, narcissistic parents.
Reminds me of the Demiurge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
“Gnostics portray the Demiurge as an oppressive, ignorant ruler, intentionally binding spirits in an inherently corrupt material realm.”
Nope. Even Russell M. Nelson spoke that God's love is conditional.
BTW, when's the last time anyone shared a message from Jesus? Never? It's always a snippet of a talk by some dude.
“Contingency fees of 10% required.” 🤣
No, you’re not wrong. It’s exactly how it sounds.
The Christmas gift of realizing you are now free from all of that negativity.
Word salad for Christmas. Awesome.
That was what I thought ….. what does it even mean?
If you're not doing what
godthe church tells you to do, you won't feel god's love.On a personal note, I'm totally cool not feeling god's love and living my own life. I didn't feel that love much even when I was a fully invested and very obedient TBM.
Wouldn't righteousness include having the integrity to release yourself from a corrupt cult?
“We all love you, just the way you are, if you’re perfect.” —Alanis Morrissette.
“A full measure” is what we decide it is; Mormon corp has already said that we can’t comprehend all of god’s love cuz we’re lowly mortals. So super double nothing
And they put the stupid author of the quote like it makes it more authoritative
“You’re not being Mormon enough! Now go tell bishop about your sexual encounters so you can be worthy!”
But did they leave cookies with it?
Cookies only for the righteous. Well, the chocolate chips, anyway. Oatmeal raisin cookies of sadness for you apostates.
I came here solely for this question.
Cookies are the only reason to pay attention to Mormons.
Troy McCune here. You might know me from such grifts as TCOJCOLDS and the cult formally known as Mormons.
Did you stamp it out like it was on fire? You know, like when other people leave bullsh!t on your porch.
Our ability to sense a full measure of
God'sloveor to continue in His loveis contingent onour righteous actions and desires.the right dosage of prescription meds for mental health purposes.- me
So, God’s love is purely conditional. That is not what the Bible says and it is opposite of what Jesus said.
His love for us isn’t transactional it’s unconditional
Blasphemy! It is conditional and our willingness to be worked like rented mules cleaning chapel toilets while we endure to the end /s
Ah, that's too bad. He was my mission president, and our interactions were always pleasant.
I feel the same. I had him as a mission president for a month. Seemed like a great guy
“Not everyone gets the same version of me. One person might tell you I'm an amazing, beautiful soul, the other might say I'm a cold-hearted bastard. Believe them both.”
—Often falsely attributed to both Tom Hardy and the movie Grey Gardens (good quote, lots of debate on original source)
But they laminated it for you!!
Gods grace alone is insufficient for salvation. Doesn't matter how much he loves you. Whatever the problem is, it's all your fault. Got it.
Just the sort of bullshit contradicting the Bible that I would expect from...opens Google
That's right. A MBA who spent a career in Finance trying to masquerade as a Theologian.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/learn/john-a-mccune?lang=eng
Well evidently he’s a decent guy based on other posters.
Fucking fuck off, just damn this kind of messaging all to hell.
My kids will NEVER have to feel like they need to be perfect around me to feel my love.
What a ridiculous, absurd, manipulative and abusive pseudo Christlike-love pile of shit.
Quotes like this gave me a lifetime of feeling not good enough. Ever. Never enough. But not anymore!
Not that I support anything they said, but technically no, god would still love you, but you're "ability to sense" it or experience it depends on doing what they say. It becomes a bit of a semantics argument I suppose, but from their perspective, they've guarded against that argument and from any criticism of "but god loves everyone" with their "ability to sense" stuff. Ok, done with that 🤮
What’s crock of bullshit
Oh just fuck off Mr. McCunt.
"God's love is conditional. That's why he had to kill his kid. Remember that when you celebrate the kid's birthday!"
Conditional love is meant to be seen as a gift that we should be thankful for, no thanks
OBEY OR BE CAST OUT
This is how a church creates mental illness.
Christ specifically looks to redeem sinners, and will make himself known to those who open their hearts. THAT'S who Jesus actually is.
If Mormon Jesus was real, he'd be the type to say "follow me, or pound sand." He'd be more like the Pharisees than they would EVER care to admit.
This is where the arrogance of most Mormons comes into play. No grace, just works only and they appear much more "worthy" on the outside than most of us feel on the inside!
Disgusting rhetoric. What absolute bullshit. God isn’t a conditional love entity.
You gotta earn it!!!
What a horrible message. I am so done with the church’s transactional God.
Everything is conditional or contingent with the mormon god. Why can’t people like that RS president see the problem with that?
Also, it MUST be Mormon words of gold merely because some Mormon bureaucrat guy with a middle initial said it or wrote it.
What is Mormon Christmas without adding a layer of guilt into a message. It’s literally so impossible for them to simply wish someone a Merry Christmas isn’t it?
absolute bullshit. a god whose love you can only feel when you’re doing everything right? some god.
my God reaches me in the depths of my heartbreak, my own selfishness, my own imperfections. . God is God because He can transform man not just despite his sin, but even working through the consequences of his sin. anything else is a god that is much too small for me.
Something something obey white old heterosexual men.
They spelled out “Cult” in the long way
God: God made mankind. My love is unconditional
Prophet: But people are faulted and will never be "perfect". Why did a perfect God make imperfect people?
God: Well, . . . . we're going to need a mediator to cover for all of mankind's sins. A Christ of sorts. It'll be an expression of my love to the . . . .
Prophet: Oooo, I know, we'll make a church and charge people money so they can get back into heaven.
God: What?
People: Ya, 10% of their income for the rest of their lives. We'll be rich. And your love is only given to those who can afford it.
God: That doesn't sound like . . . .
Prophet: OK then! I'm on it.
Righteousness is defined as temple recommend holding, tithe paying TBM so 0.00002% of the world’s population is worthy of God’s love.
Mormon god conditionally loves you only so much
John threw the Israelites under the bus fir wandering the desert all those years because they didn't abide by the conditions.
Duh. Jesus only invites you into his home if you’re a paying member
It's all on you, bruh.
Passive aggressive much? Wow. You’re definitely not interpreting it wrong.
What’s so funny to me about this is in their minds this is carefully thought about message that surely gets people to come back to church.
Just reading this bullshit gives me a headache
Total BS. Now let me guess righteous per Mormon slang is being true blue Mormon and never forget to pay to acquire a special permit to participate in Temple creepiness. Mormon God is very different from all other Gods. Told ya. Wonder what would they say if you tlel them you had personal revelation from God to leave Mormonism alone.
Word Soup
This is how TBM parents learn that there is no such thing as Unconditional Love, and are willing to outright reject their own children for any number of arbitrary rules broken.
You know, at some point the “we know God promised miracles, unconditional love and solace, but not until you pay ten percent and try harder” crowd is gonna realize maybe this isn’t Jesus’s gospel after all.
That’s just sick!🤢
Perhaps one could respond with a Christmas movie quote: “Yippee ki yay, mother f$&@er!” —Elder John McClane
Uh, where’s the come as you are and grace part???
Repent or be damned!!!
Also, Merry Christmas… 🎄
Why is every church quote an MLM slogan? "Think you're happy now? Just wait til you're even MoRe obedient"
Well, that says it all. Make sure the other Christian churches get to see this quote. That will throw the kabosh on LDS ever getting close to mainstream Christianity.
Ooh it’s laminated. They mean business.
I would send them back:
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” —Jesus Christ
I became a father very early in my deconstruction.
It hit me like a ton of bricks when I realized my love for my daughter was nothing like the church taught.
It does not depend on her obedience. It's not something she has to earn. It can't be increased by following rules or decreased by breaking them.
My love for her is absolutely unconditional and always will be. There is nothing she could do to change that.
The church teaches the opposite. That God's love is conditional on following rules that he allegedly gave to a middleman that we have to listen to.
Mormon God seems like a pretty shitty dad.
There is no love like Mormon judgement…😂😂😂
I’d leave a note on the RS president door with a message. And then something to the effect that if she or someone who represents the RS ever steps on your property again you will consider them trespassing and take appropriate actions.
"Now I have a machine gun. Ho Ho Ho."
- Elder John McClane.
Call the police! Pranksters left flaming bullshit on your porch! 🔥 🚒
Here we go again. The more deeply you're brainwashed, the easier it is to believe in something that makes absolutely ZERO sense.
Aligns with this post really well
https://www.reddit.com/r/MormonShrivel/s/vyCr9XEedF
wow. someone hates themselves
Ewwwwwww
Merry Christmas!!🎁
🤦🏻 laminated for celestial perfection haha 😝
Yikes. Conditional love, my favorite.
Such bull! Gods love has zero contingencies!!!!!!
How the fuck does this relate to Christ or his birth? What buffoons.
Nope, you are not.
God only loves the righteous.
Fuxk them
WTF
Ouch
SCLF righteous
I got one just like it, although mine says deposit 10% here.
This is outrageous.
Elder John Fucking Who?
Did they get this garbage from a fortune cookie?
Weirdest Christmas message EVER … who even js this guy they are quoting?
God does not love anyone unless they tithe. (/s)
No thats literally not doctrine. Also exploiting to the max.
This kinda shit literally makes people try to end their lives.
Nope! A big nope there!
While the ability to feel a father's love may be dependent on your own preparedness, to BE loved is not. That is the error and the lie.
As said in the temple itself, "the teachings of men....mingled with scripture...."
Also contingent on how much you tithe.
Ew
You are interpreting that right, yes.
It's very passive-aggressive to leave on the doorstep of a former member.
And it feels very opposite of what Christmas generally represents.
God’s love is not contingent.
Fake news. We are all divine & part of that energy of love.
Oh, I thought it was a quiz. I answered False.
While I agree this is a poorly chosen quote. To put it in context you would need to read the talk Mcune was quoting the idea from given by Renlund. The quote doesnt question whether god loves us just that our ability to feel it may vary based on things we may be facing in life or distractions maybe. Makes sense to me.
Elder who? No idea who that even is.
Please tell me they, at least, left you a treat to go with the condescending message….
Because just a laminated condescending card is diabolical.
So, the fella who makes all the rules has a rule that, even though his love is eternal and unconditional, there are conditions to us being able to feel it?
Sounds like conditional love with extra steps.
The gift of a truly generous billionaire.
Nice laminated Ariel font nothing.
This quote is exactly why other Christians think we are insane.
No grace.
All about what we APPEAR to be doing.
Someone insignificant said something vague and dumb. Merry Christmas!
Oh, when I left work the other night I had a delightful message from M. Russell Ballard on my windshield along with a little Jesus and a candy cane. Merry Fucking Christmas, sinners!
Put a home security sign out and a doorbell cam lol
I have to say, aside from the missionaries everyone seems to have finally given up on my soul.
And they laminated it?! Gross!