Subscriber count flattens after mid-July
Hello it's been a long while since any of the moderator team have communicated with the community however it's important people understand what happened to this sub for the sake of transparency.
On the 13th of July our traffic suddenly collapsed, and with it the growth of the subreddit as you can see in the graph provided. Some of you may already know that since this date Reddit users who are not subscribed no longer see content posted on r/europe_sub.
At first we believed this could be a temporary measure to do with an increase in reports during an explosion of growth, as you all remember back in July posts were getting hundreds of thousands if not millions of views each. Shortly after the 13th of July we contacted Reddit to attempt to resolve this and understand what the problem is with people being unable to see posts, we then received a warning hours later from Reddit's Mod Code of Conduct account that they've detected "increased violating content being posted in this community" we tried to get further answers by contacting Reddit admins if this is what affected our traffic and what can we do to have these restrictions lifted.
In summary, they responded that yes it could affect traffic and reminded us to read Reddit's guidelines. We didn't receive any means of recourse to fix the situation or if there's a specific thing we're doing wrong, before us contacting them about the collapse in activity we hadn't received any warnings. This first and last warning came after traffic was throttled for good.
4 months have passed and this subreddit has regretfully lost its energy being flooded with the same genre of articles furthering the effect of an echo chamber; something we did not want, but what Reddit has created.
We've since learned that the same thing happened to other subs, including but not limited to:
r/Canada_Sub (Which we have no relation to)
r/CanadaHousing2
Despite having no relation to the others, the one thing in common is that we believe in as free speech as possible within the remits of Reddit's guidelines which led to all the subreddits mentioned having a large amount of discussion on immigration. That is the one and only link, and none of these other communities have faced official sanctions from Reddit much like ours.
Not quarantining, not banning or pre-emptive warnings, their traffic has been restricted by blocking them from the front page and by removing the award feature. If you notice, you cannot award comments or posts on r/europe_sub anymore despite us having it enabled.
We would like to have this resolved and for Reddit to engage with us positively, even so the community deserves to know. We would like for the community to carry on in some shape or form so we're opening up our discord.
We have a new Discord which you can join: https://discord.gg/3p68xrfUWF
If you send us a message to our Reddit mod mail with your discord username we'll give you a verified role.
Most censored platform upholding it's reputation
Pretty much, yes. I think it’s gotten worse since earlier this year.
Maybe, feels like they're on their last legs and so they're going all in
It's not most censored. You lot have Gab, Twitter, Joe Rogan, Newsman and all the countless platforms where you can spew your propaganda. What does it matter that ONE platform out of 100 that you frequent is not bending knee to your propaganda?
That’s the kind of sad argument used by people who see no issue with Reddit purposely keeping certain political opinions and views under tighter regulation, while being less strict about rules in communities that align more closely with the Admin team’s views.
Having political views different from yours does not constitute "propaganda".
Dude, touch the grass ffs
Guys ignore him, he's a german lolcow and pretty infamous on nearly all german subs.
Reddit in a nutshell
https://preview.redd.it/uvml8p0giwzf1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9fcda2cd1fbd1f317ef1f55b4146da4ca0f3c2d
He needs a kefiah around his neck
Yup, whatever reddit is doing up top is really really bad and you can see it all over the site, narratives being pushed while other ones get banned.
Recently I got banned for "threatening violence" when the only thing I said was that Zionism was born out of antisemitism. I don't think that's even political, I appealed, and got a response essentially saying "yeah you are spreading violence".
I think the best course of action is to quit this app/site...
100% agree. I got banned for 3 days because I've literally shared bad "facts" about MY OWN PEOPLE in another sub, literally my birth country, culture and all. Reason? Spreading/glorifying hate. Hahaha, just imagine being banned for "spreading hate" towards MYSELF. That's how bad this place is becoming, and it's impossible to counter.
I was banned from r/europe because I called a guy "antisemite" after he declared the lack of a right to exist for israel. This is bleak, qatari money must be doing something to.reddit
Same
Hmm, some interesting clues in that one
Ooh so that's what it is. I've found this sub only after actively searching for stuff about the Eurovision withdrawals, I never saw it in my feed, and was wondering what this post was about. So it's because this space is pro-israel, of course
There is no free speech within the remit of Reddit guidelines, especially as those guidelines are selectively enforced in one political view.
Open support for prescribed terrorist organisations & calls for violence are rife on Reddit and often unchallenged.
As such, the communities being fostered by Reddit are increasingly fringe & aggressive, with normal people pushed away.
I cannot wait for Reddit to be banned by governments & face mass advertising withdrawals, it is inevitable on this future trajectory.
No there's no free speech but if you follow the rules you should be fine. We did abide to the rules closely so we didn't get punished officially, just covertly. I believe they're doing it quietly like this as they've moved into a publicly traded company.
Sounds like "this subreddit has been removed due to lack of moderation" is approaching.
Ah yes, the famous vague reason.
Guys, it's been an honor.
I had all my accounts banned on reddit for a week because I posted that the official policy platform of the largest political party in a large European country (I won't mention them so I don't get banned again) was not extreme and is in fact in line with other parties, but rather it was statements made by their leaders outside of that, which warranted an extreme label. I feel that is a very sensible comment that contributes to political discussion in Europe. Reddit disagreed.
If what you just said is true, then I completely agree with you; some funny stuff is going down, and this inconsistent moderation is only a symptom.
GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, REDDIT AUTHORITIES - stop hiding behind anonymity, grow a pair, and tell us ALL what's really going on...
If you're looking for a reddit replacement rdrama●net is one
Lots of comments in this sub also get shadowbanned automatically. You can check after your post in your profile it will get 0 views. Filters aren't as aggressive on other subs.
There's a list of hidden keywords that are used afaik, and every flagged comments has admins check. I was banned before for a comment no one saw.
Depends on the words, yes. But it's reddit filter.
Reddit censoring this sub because they don't like what we're talking about. Not really surprised.
The Reddit admins have to protect their globalist agenda.
Reddit is a leftist censorship company. Populist governments need to investigate it and force it to uphold free speech.
Before, when they didn’t like a subreddit, they would just delete it. Now they make it invisible and let it die slowly… There is no freedom of speech on Reddit, and there never will be.
They still delete subs, they ban the mods first then the sub "for being unmoderated"
Looks like Reddit became the tool of social engendering where pro illegal migration topics are promoted by thousands of (bots?) and anti illegal migration topics are hidden.
Why? It probably makes perception democracy is working while obviously support of illegal migration is very low. I guess it is ‘civilized’ way of dictatorship implementation where everyone knows anti citizens thing made, but everyone know it is forbidden to say it. How different it is from pure dictatorship? It is not about everything but about something.
Why migration topic is so highlighted here? I do not know for sure, but I believe it is one of topic what obviously against democracy and it affecting everyone in countries who welcoming migrants. So it appears perfect example for freedom of speech suppression.
Is it only topic? It is not I believe, but other topics are not so close to all the Europeans.
As about other topics where freedom of speech is violated on agenda subs:
LGBT things. Any ideas against of too positive discrimination are tend to be banned.
Russia vs Ukraine war things. Usually not exactly banned , but any reasonable conversation tends to end up with naming you ‘Russian bot’ is something against of agenda.
Discussions on EU geopolitical projects (like funding revolutions or opposition in other countries) tends to be suppressed too.
Discussion on bad economy management, high taxes, real estate availability are not welcomed in r/Europe for example. However welcomed things about how good EU is.
EU is rather good certainly, but it was much better before, I miss that.
Unfortunately, every social platform is built in a way that becomes an echo chamber.
I believe its done on purpose, because this helps to divide people, to polarize their thoughts, where every side believes it is in the right because it only saw a part of the story, only a selection of the news.
I'm one of those few who actually listen to both sides; I do it by following those that, in the long run, have been more reliable. But from what I saw, very few people can do it, most feel the need to root for a team, or they are lost. For me, the truth comes even before my ideals. For example, on YouTube I follow a communist news channel, am I a communist? No, but they are reliable enough for certain kinds of news, and since my social feeds are an echo chamber, just like everyone else's, by following them I get access to one side of the news, another point of view, I wouldn't otherwise have. On X, I follow several reliable journalists from every side possible. Same story. All I care about is that they are reliable enough, nobody is perfect, everyone can have their opinion, but if you tell the truth or get close to it, for me you're good enough to listen to, even if our views of the world are totally different. This simple thing is what I believe makes me more informed than most people.
There is a high chance that there is some sort of shadow ban for this sub. Its pretty much the same mechanism used on X. You don't get banned, but you lose reach and you can't really grow anymore; you are stuck.
Two words about immigration. The economy is a cycle, no country stays on top forever, so it's important, but not that important. The type and the mass of immigration we are receiving in these years, instead, will shape our countries forever. Its dramatic what is happening in Europe, and its our duty to try to wake up as many people as possible to the fact that this is wanted, that its by design by what I call the parasite class.
Canadahousing2 mod here. Yep has been happening to us for about 1.5 years, admins have essentially killed the subreddit/censored what is frankly very lite immigration criticism. That aeems to be the issue, you are not allowed to discuss immigration on reddit in a critical way. Or they shadow ban the entire subreddit.
The hive mind must consume all.
Reddit always wants to keep (crazy) progressive content dominant. Thus, since this sub is mostly right leaning, it is a target for Reddit Inc. /r/politics and similar subs can keep manipulating millions in the meanwhile as a division of the Democratic Party.
Reddit has been doing this for years, but has only been more ‘open’ about these scummy, disgusting, vile tactics recently. They did it with a sub I modded too as far as 3 years ago already. The drop off in growth was very obvious.
There are thousands of threads mocking Charlie Kirk’s death and calling for the ki**ing of Trump, but you get censored for posting facts about what’s going on in Europe. I have a friend of a friend that’s on the board. I didn’t want yo do this but I think I’ll reach out and see where it goes.
Yeah Reddit kinda deserve to be abandoned. The censorship is insane. Hopefully we’ll have a better platform in the future. From a euro dev.
Well well well, colour me surprised…typical Reddit.
Even though I’ve been banned from this sub multiple times for the most benign takes, I appreciate the work you did to keep it alive as much as you could.
I have moved to X and I must admit, I enjoy much more free speech than I do on this platform. My usage halved when they killed the API, but since July and the waves of 28 days bans, I’ve barely opened this website. I went from spending 2 hours a day to 3 minutes. Not even browsing my main feed, this place has become a quora style website where I get answers from search results on niche topics and DIY. This throttling of speech completely neutered any interest in reading posts or engaging in discussions, not just on this sub.
If the left wanted a platform to circlejerk about orange man bad or who to kill next, congrats you got it it’s all yours.
ban bots tho... and alts account that repost garbage with no discussion... and help promote actual stuff like call for actions and none clickbait stuff which I hate and see spammed a lot unfortunately
Probably best off stickying this post as an announcement, since it's fallen off the front page now.
Europe has fallen come to r/DamnThatsReal
Please take care of the bots and the spam. It’s horrible how bad it’s become. I’m leaving for now maybe will come later.
Can you send me some examples?
This isnt "growth" in the sense we allnknow what growth means. The sub is being targeted and that's a very different story.
To be honest I don't know what you're talking about.
Also wondered why this sub had bombed in popularity... I'm a left too but this place has been the source of some good dialogues and points of view. Echo chambers help nobody, I enjoy many subs that don't fit my point of view so that I know why others are inclined to their points of view... It's important in democracies...
I am not surprised with the drop in postings. Every time I check this subreddit, all one can find is reports of crimes by Muslim refugees on Western Europeans. It gets tiring after some time.
Im as pro free-speech as the next guy and have no subtext messages intended here, but couldn't something be done about the amount of immigrant posts if it was becoming such an issue?
It's gotten pretty nauseating and circle-jerky honestly, as basically every time i got past this sub on my front page, it was a post about immigrants attacking people...
I understand the sentiment but we only removed posts about immigration we believed broke the rules or came from trolls/agitators, bots or state actors. Now the subreddit is 99% about immigration and crime when it used to be very prominent it was nothing like this. Just look at the top posts of all time on here and there's a variety of topics being discussed, that's what we wanted.
But at this point with the restrictions there is nothing to do about it. Reddit has successfully created an echo chamber and unfortunately and I must admit a lot of what is posted here is slop. We need a European subreddit where immigration can be discussed but where it's not the only topic.
Is this not simply a sub for posting about alleged incidents of immigrants attacking people? Or opining about immigrants in ways that range from blatantly racist to only coyly racist? That was my impression based on the content and the lack of moderation of said content.
It's a sub that allows us to share the news that are mysteriously not allowed in shitholes like r/europe. If you believe sharing this kind of news is racist, think about the ramifications very slowly.
This sub is even pro-free speech, but hate speech is not tolerated. Before, the sub had a lot of active users, and they were reporting, and we were taking action. We can't read every comment, but we do read every post that is flagged/reported. I am a vivid commenter and usually check the comments and remove what is in breach.
Yeah honestly, from an outsider perspective, this must be what this subreddit looks like. The amount of those posts must've watered down this sub down to an anti-immigrant jerk in the eyes of Reddit, causing this weird growth sanction
I do believe it's salvageable though, it just needs to be made very clear that this isn't this type of a subreddit to some people
Its because both reddit admins and main sub mods really censor these so they all flock to where the mods leave them be. That happened to be this sub...
r/europe_sub was never intended to become an echochamber but its against our principles to remove dailymail posts just because we can or even worse to appease the reddit admins.
It’s not about just removing dailymail posts, it’s more about the comments regularly calling for ethnic cleansing of Muslims or other blatantly violent and illegal attacks on minorities.
Any comments like that are removed and the offenders punished if it's as serious as you just claimed. In the absolute thousands of comments I've reviewed I've only ever seen a handful of comments calling for criminality which have been taken offline.
Isn't there something in Reddit's issue with this sub though? It is objectively an echo chamber. People post like 80-95% about isolated cases of immigrant crime. Most of the discussion isn't about Europe but about immigrants... Isn't there an argument that free speech is one thing but staying on topic is another and having some form of curation is good?
Free speech is anyway a bad joke on the internet, especially on Reddit where no one knows who they are talking to nor if they are a real person or not. Free speech is for humans. But that doesn't apply here because we have no idea who is human nor if they are who they say they are.
>Isn't there something in Reddit's issue with this sub though? It is objectively an echo chamber. People post like 80-95% about isolated cases of immigrant crime.
From what I understand, this sub was created to discuss posts that are instantly deleted in the other europe sub?
Was not created to discuss the deleted posts from other sub, but to give opportunity to whole spectrum to debate freely, left, right. Someting that was happening.
From my experience, you can't discuss certain things in the other sub, comment removed or/and banned without warning.
> Was not created to discuss the deleted posts from other sub
Let me rephrase that. From what I understand this sub was created to discuss topics that would get instantly deleted in the other sub.
I understand what you are saying, but the main reason I believe was the equal opportunity for discussion, which would encompass what you are saying.
The other Europe sub does allow such posts though, but definitely limits them and does seem a bit heavy handed on some things. But while I like this sub, I do also get totally sick of not being allowed to mention anything against the anti-immigration parties without being downvoted to hell and called some kind of globalist.
Again, the problem is this: if you can't guarantee 100% genuine human interaction, you cannot and should not have unlimited free speech. This is my belief.
This sub is for free speech, but not for hate speech, i think you might confusing terms
Reddit has never said there's an issue with the sub though that's the point, we've tried to get answers and we received nothing concrete, we weren't notified there was anything they disliked until we asked why the traffic had stopped.
They've created the echo chamber, before July you'd have people of all different views commenting and debating topics respectfully. All kinds of topics and news would be posted even if immigration was a big one. Now if you wanted a place to be less of an echochamber what would be the course of action? Shutting it off to everyone but those subscribed?
We allowed all perspectives on here, meanwhile on other big "echochambers" on this platform people are regularly banned for having an opposing view or something incredibly trivial. I will not name any, but look on every top subreddit on the front page.
You can’t mention crimes committed by migrants anywhere else. Maybe that is why lol
When you have an unmoderated sub with fake news being posted without push back every two minute, this is bound to happen.
Just an hour ago, I found a post here that said Christmas Markets are cancelled in Germany in 2025.
It had dozens of comments talking about islamists, but not one asking whether the news was true.
Of course it was fake news.
All subs like this get visibility limited and eventually blocked by Reddit.
Firstly it's not unmoderated and never has been, before the traffic restriction we would remove thousands of comments and posts a month.
Secondly the entire point should be there is no pushback precisely because of the restrictions. You should realise that before this if someone did post something fake there would be plenty of people of all persuasions debating it. I don't know if what you're saying is right or not about Christmas markets but the echo chamber that has been formed is entirely Reddit's doing.
It seems to me like you don't know anything about europe_sub or what it was like before July.
Was not here before July. I posted that it is fake news.
Magdeburg Christmas market cancelled after last year's terror attack which killed six people
Well well well...