Yeah, it doesn't matter who is doing what that's clearly against the interests of their people anywhere in the world at the moment. The answer is always bribes.
That one I do not believe. He would settle with Subcarpathia as he prefers mass voters in neighboring countries who can vote in letter and - surprise! - they ALWAYS vote at least 95% in favor of Fidesz.
Imagine all the revisionist "nationalist" pledge their loyalty to Orban forever for starting to reclaim what the country has lost. Endless votes forever.
Same, no worries Polish bros, you will always be cool, and we will be friends, we are, like for some 700 years already... some shithead politicians cannot cancel this.We'll get rid of em, sorry, we got fckin phased out, but we're on it.
Don't worry brother, the friendship is still strong, we just hate Orban and his people. Hopefully you'll kick him out in the next election and good times will come back. We also need our criminals from the previous ruling party back and for now Orban is giving them shelter, when he's gone they'll either be sent to Poland or escape to Belarus. Good luck!
The solution would be so easy... the EU as a Federation is right there. It could be all our shared territory. Basically it already is. Freedom of movement is a wonderful thing.
Well... Hungary was formally in the Axis during WWII and still refused to attack Poland, opened its borders to Polish refugees, and helped Polish soldiers escape to fight on. Political alignment changes, but historical solidarity doesn't disappear that easily
Like Stalin was the better choice back than? :D we already had some communist role before WW2 so I guess leaderhsipt tought Hitler couldnt be worse. Well LOL
It wasn't a binary choice. Hungary joined the axis because of economic links and a desire to reclaim lost territory. There was no pressure from the Soviets forcing them, and they could've remained neutral for the war...except they wanted their territory back. In any case, they happily enacted laws against the Jews in 1938 before the war even started.
Just because politicians are what they are, doesn't mean Hungarians are bad now. Every Hungarian I met was a fantastic person; not a single bad one. It's a great bunch of lads, even considering this is just my "bubble" opinion.
I wouldn't like that. Poland's presidential election was like 50.8 vs 49.2 with a 64.5% voter frequency.
There's only so much you can do when social media is owned by foreign interests.
The politicians were voted by old Hungarian people whose only exposure to politics is what they see on TV, newspaper, internet news, billboards… all of it controlled by Fidesz. It’s not exactly free and fair.
You're not wrong, but old Hungarians are an integral part of the Hungarian people, are they not? A pretty sizeable one by the looks of it.
Only the Hungarian people can change the situation in Hungary, and if they aren't capable of doing so, as you seem to wrongfully imply, we need to show them the door out of the union by taking their veto away
Fidesz are behind in polls by a large margin apparently, so I wouldn’t say it’s hopeless. Lots of the young people have left the country or moved to more liberal cities so the vote is less distributed. But I agree and even know some lefty Hungarians that agree the country should have EU veto removed if they can’t sort their shit out.
I don't think it's hopeless either, the fact that the people can, and hopefully will, vote their way out of this mess is proof, that they are responsible for all of this from day one. Hopefully they will do something good with that responsability for a change
No they weren't. They were chosen by 1/3 of the population in a free but vastly unfair electoral system. Hungary is not a properly working democracy when will you people realize that?
Yes yes, because literally everyone voted for Orbán and others + they never changed their minds about him + politicians never change.
Politics is one thing, and then we go to that country or meet their people somewhere, and it turns out nobody is fighting, and we were using the internet a bit too much.
Good for them that they change their minds, took their sweet fucking time, let's see how they act in the next election.
Also, I have no clue whatsoever why you keep telling the people there are nice, it makes no difference, all the Hungarians I've met were pretty cool as well, so fucking what? If these are the people they chose to represent them, we must honour their choice and treat them accordingly.
This isn't a fucking game, it might not feel too much like it yet, but these are extremely dangerous times for being Eastern European in general and Polish in particular, or strongest ally has turned on us, our neighbors are actively being invaded and their people massacred, and even inside our union it's not guaranteed the most powerful countries won't turn eel as well, nazis are on the rise in Germany, while fascists are gaining quite a lot of ground in France. These aren't times to play games with Polish security
Not even Hitler could destroy the Polish-Hungarian friendship, why are you worried about some wannabe dictator? What matters is the opinion of the Polish and Hungarian people, and we both hate the Hungarian government.
Actually, I don't understand Szijjarto ar all. How the fuck can somebody interpret the situation as Europe is the warmonger and wants war. WTF is the benefit for Europe? It's just batshit crazy crap propaganda.
I believe the narrative is that Nato is the current aggressor in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This makes sense only if you view Ukraine as a Russian puppet in all but name that was "stolen" from Russia by European/Nato encroachment after the Ukrainian revolution.
By reimagining Ukraine as a political pawn without its own agency, Russia's war is reframed as putting down a western-backed rebellion instead of invading another country.
This makes sense only if you view Ukraine as a Russian puppet in all but name that was "stolen" from Russia
Same for the baltic states. Like all countries they joined NATO and the EU because they thought was for their benefit (and oh boy it was...), but these kind of people think it`s Russia`s god given right to keep them as colonies and therefore, welcoming them into the western alliance is an agression towards Russia.
It's Russian paranoia, they actually got all that land because Moscow's elite has an innate fear that all their neighbors are out to get them, therefore they have to "pacify" all their neighbors to be safe. Which just creates new neighbors who are rightfully scared of Moscow and arm accordingly.
It's a vicious and stupid cycle, but nobody ever accused Moscovites of being self-aware.
It's just a maskerade for more money- and power grabbing. Nationalism is nothing more than that, it rallies crowds behind you and therefore is a useful tool.
They just had to find a way to side with Russia without explicitly saying they are siding with Russia. So they came up with this "we only want peace, we don't want war" propaganda which enables them to say that everyone who supports Ukraine in their fight is a warmonger because "it creates more war". They obviously ignore questions about who started the war and what would happen to Ukraine if they just stopped fighting.
It really became their template for communication in the last 15 years. They find a position where they can say very general things with which most people would agree (we want peace, we want to protect the children, we want to keep the country sovereign, etc.) but they use it as a front for their twisted ideology, and if you criticise the ideology they fight back by saying you are criticising the "front" (you want war, you are endangering children, you are supporting foreign influence in the country, etc.) so for people who can't understand the complexity or the topic or who are not following politics and get their info from headlines, you are clearly the bad guy.
And it usually works because people like simple matters with simple solutions and simple explanations, so if you try to show that there's more to the topic, suddenly you're the one who's twisting it, or over-explaining it, and it's clear that it's actually you having a hidden agenda, because you're trying to make it complicated.
They don’t interpret it like that they just say shit. And there’s no consequences for saying dumb shit anymore. Democratic countries don’t retaliate, people read about it and chuckle but don’t care enough to have it form their opinions, etc.
No no, you DO get it. You say they/Europe want a war with Russia. This is idiotic - therefore we need to be against them. Logic is sound, it is the facts that are wrong.
This is the classic ruski-dicksucker though process.
They think it's Russia's God given right to invade another country, they're entitled to it bc they're "stronger" and the country that doesn't just give up is the agressor.
Does it make sense? No it doesn't. But this is how some people think and how they want them to think.
This sly guy repeats the Kremlin's narrative over and over, believing (somewhat rightly) that Western societies will begin to put pressure on their governments. „Let's give in, let's not provoke Russia. Let's back down, or it will end in war.”
'Cos Putin has their balls in his pocket.Too much dirt on Fidesz prominents.Its not on the news, of course, but there is a Hungarian Epstein-like story, going up all the way 'til the top, and the russians obviously have proofs on this.They wistle, these monkeys dance...
Lots and lots of propaganda and a PM that is in Putins pocket. Orban has been trying to undermine EU for years now. It's like almost always him that vetos things EU is trying to do.
No idea. He was just a typical nothing special 18-year old from Poland in 1981 that got into UK to study english few months before martial law and got an asylum there then managed to get into oxford and was in the same club as british PM's Cameron and BoJo.
My polish friends, if you read this... Pls don't mind about this goverment of Hungary, the Fidesz. We hate our goverment, we don't share thier politics, we don't agree about those things that they make, and absolutly we DO NOT like russians.
🎵Lengyel - magyar, két jó barát
Polak i Węgier, dwaj dobrzy przyjaciele.🇭🇺🇵🇱
See thats what I always say about the situation in Serbia. I have, however, come to realize that a lot of my compatriots do love Vucic and do vote for him. Yes elections are rigged, A LOT, but they are so easily rigged because his vast supporters help him in achieving this goal.
Same goes for Hungary and any nation incapable of bringing back the democratic rule. It's simply because a great part of our nation is working against it, knowingly.
True. But they are one election gone bad away from regression though. It’s thin ice but I sure hope they continue their path, but don’t count out pis yet.
Well, openly saying that you're pro-russian is a political suicide in Poland, which is good. But right wing parties are not necessarily pro-west/pro-EU... they're in a sad state of mind that everyone is their enemy and we have no allies.
Nah PiS i really antirussian. They love to be pro-trump but lately they are silent about him. Like if Your dad who You are proud about pissed himself on the party.
The only problems are Konfiarze and Gaśniczaki(Brauniarze) who are indeed really prorussian only claiming that not.
What is this nonsense? Poland is extremely anti-Russian. There's no 50-50 split about it. If there are pro-Russian Poles, they're a tiny, minuscule minority
On one hand almost all of the parliamentary parties are staunchly anti-Russia, but on the other hand the right wing parties (which currently have the most support) and our president are really pro-Trump.
They’re just in deep denial about Trump being pro-Russian and believe that he will save us from any fallout no matter what happens.
Well northen Europe isn't really treating Russia as a joke either. Heck I'd argue the Finns are the most prepared nation on earth to actually defend against Russia.
It is quite late though, they already machinated with the election rules last time around, the voting system also crashed for "some reason". Who knows what they'll pull in the remaining months.
Unfortunately it seems that this is the direction Orban has chosen. Maybe because he knows, he might face legal problems, in case he looses the upcoming public vote?
Surely this shouldn't be a thing regardless of whos right and wrong? Twitter beefs are for egocentric celebrities, not people who literally set the agendas for armies. Not a good look at all and makes politics look unserious.
I appreciate that Poland is putting in more of an effort to counter Orban, but I won't forget it was them that allowed him to reach this point after protecting and backing him for the better part of a decade
It seems that we are hitting levels of insane, bloodthirsty warmongering in this subreddit that shouldn't even be possible. The sheer concentration of keyboard warriors screaming for someone else to go and get killed simply defies human comprehension.
I’ve traveled to Hungary many times, almost ten years ago for the first time. Over the last two years, I’ve stopped going there and I encourage everyone who still does to do the same. You can say “it’s Orbán’s fault,” but someone chose that man. I know Hungarians won’t miss me, but I just wanted to point out that it’s worth opposing Russian propaganda and Russia’s friends, even in this way.
If Europe does decide to go to war with Russia, they will lose and it will be worse than the loss of last time which was worse than loss of last to last time.
But may be third time will be the charm? HaHa JK.
Why is that?
Well... I have studied the raw inputs and outputs of all the countries & anyone else who has done that, wouldn't find it surprising as well.
Its like Hitler thinking going to war with Soviet Union would be a good idea.
What I find very interesting is how certain countries find themselves propagandised every single century until a harsh reality check occurs and they remodulate.
I was on a Polish-Hungarian (for high-school students) exchange this year and firstly we went to Hungary and everyone was very warm towards us and the friendship seemed better than ever, and the students from Hungary will visit us in May and we are already preparing to welcome them the best possible way
Sikorski is just incredibly based. He also had some legendary spats schooling Elon on Twitter ("go to Mars for Nazi salutes" or something). Dude's not taking sh*t from anyone lol.
Sticking to europe is dangerous IMO Europe union wants to much control over everything and in their mess of DEMOCRACY they do not see a plague which is gonna be barely visable on streets untill 2050 cause somebody got money that fucks on their eyes their democracy. Instead of cooperating Eu wants to be over everything like in fucking utopia
Polish Hungarian friendship enthusiasts in shambles.
These fucking traitors are destroying a centuries old friendship, and for what?
To suck Putin’s cock?
Money
Yeah, it doesn't matter who is doing what that's clearly against the interests of their people anywhere in the world at the moment. The answer is always bribes.
But what are the interests of the person who bribes?
At some point there must be some kind of ideology.
And most prolly a promise from Putin that if he wins, Orban can take back Transylvania and Slovakia as he never came to terms with Trianon treaty
That one I do not believe. He would settle with Subcarpathia as he prefers mass voters in neighboring countries who can vote in letter and - surprise! - they ALWAYS vote at least 95% in favor of Fidesz.
We can barely manage eastern part of our country, imagine another even poorer region joining...
Imagine all the revisionist "nationalist" pledge their loyalty to Orban forever for starting to reclaim what the country has lost. Endless votes forever.
...and for Putin's cock. Orban knows he can't keep his power for much longer, so he needs Big Daddy.
It’s always about money, reactionary politics are purely propped up by it
Bothhh
dont worry, fuck politicians, I love you hungarian bros no matter what.
Same, no worries Polish bros, you will always be cool, and we will be friends, we are, like for some 700 years already... some shithead politicians cannot cancel this.We'll get rid of em, sorry, we got fckin phased out, but we're on it.
Don't worry brother, the friendship is still strong, we just hate Orban and his people. Hopefully you'll kick him out in the next election and good times will come back. We also need our criminals from the previous ruling party back and for now Orban is giving them shelter, when he's gone they'll either be sent to Poland or escape to Belarus. Good luck!
For the hope of recovering lost territories (how many times has that been tried?) and being spiteful in general.
The solution would be so easy... the EU as a Federation is right there. It could be all our shared territory. Basically it already is. Freedom of movement is a wonderful thing.
UK here - Putin and his paid friends took that right away from us which is a travesty.
I think they want Zakarpattia.
The Hungarians don't have to stones to fuck with Ukraine.
They are simply afraid and lost.
Well... Hungary was formally in the Axis during WWII and still refused to attack Poland, opened its borders to Polish refugees, and helped Polish soldiers escape to fight on. Political alignment changes, but historical solidarity doesn't disappear that easily
Still sided with Hitler and deorrted their Jews
Like Stalin was the better choice back than? :D we already had some communist role before WW2 so I guess leaderhsipt tought Hitler couldnt be worse. Well LOL
It wasn't a binary choice. Hungary joined the axis because of economic links and a desire to reclaim lost territory. There was no pressure from the Soviets forcing them, and they could've remained neutral for the war...except they wanted their territory back. In any case, they happily enacted laws against the Jews in 1938 before the war even started.
Just because politicians are what they are, doesn't mean Hungarians are bad now. Every Hungarian I met was a fantastic person; not a single bad one. It's a great bunch of lads, even considering this is just my "bubble" opinion.
Those politicians were chosen by the Hungarian people as their representatives, the Hungarian people are responsible for their actions
Can we say the exact same thing when Poland elects PIS and Czechs elect Babis?
Yes
Obviously yes
Yes
I wouldn't like that. Poland's presidential election was like 50.8 vs 49.2 with a 64.5% voter frequency. There's only so much you can do when social media is owned by foreign interests.
I highly doubt that the election was fair but whatever
It wasn't even close to being fair
But you think the ones in Hungary were?
The politicians were voted by old Hungarian people whose only exposure to politics is what they see on TV, newspaper, internet news, billboards… all of it controlled by Fidesz. It’s not exactly free and fair.
You're not wrong, but old Hungarians are an integral part of the Hungarian people, are they not? A pretty sizeable one by the looks of it.
Only the Hungarian people can change the situation in Hungary, and if they aren't capable of doing so, as you seem to wrongfully imply, we need to show them the door out of the union by taking their veto away
Fidesz are behind in polls by a large margin apparently, so I wouldn’t say it’s hopeless. Lots of the young people have left the country or moved to more liberal cities so the vote is less distributed. But I agree and even know some lefty Hungarians that agree the country should have EU veto removed if they can’t sort their shit out.
I don't think it's hopeless either, the fact that the people can, and hopefully will, vote their way out of this mess is proof, that they are responsible for all of this from day one. Hopefully they will do something good with that responsability for a change
No they weren't. They were chosen by 1/3 of the population in a free but vastly unfair electoral system. Hungary is not a properly working democracy when will you people realize that?
Still the Hungarian people's responsability, cause if not yours, who's?
Yes yes, because literally everyone voted for Orbán and others + they never changed their minds about him + politicians never change.
Politics is one thing, and then we go to that country or meet their people somewhere, and it turns out nobody is fighting, and we were using the internet a bit too much.
Good for them that they change their minds, took their sweet fucking time, let's see how they act in the next election.
Also, I have no clue whatsoever why you keep telling the people there are nice, it makes no difference, all the Hungarians I've met were pretty cool as well, so fucking what? If these are the people they chose to represent them, we must honour their choice and treat them accordingly.
This isn't a fucking game, it might not feel too much like it yet, but these are extremely dangerous times for being Eastern European in general and Polish in particular, or strongest ally has turned on us, our neighbors are actively being invaded and their people massacred, and even inside our union it's not guaranteed the most powerful countries won't turn eel as well, nazis are on the rise in Germany, while fascists are gaining quite a lot of ground in France. These aren't times to play games with Polish security
Not even Hitler could destroy the Polish-Hungarian friendship, why are you worried about some wannabe dictator? What matters is the opinion of the Polish and Hungarian people, and we both hate the Hungarian government.
He's probably expecting to have pro-russian government the next Poland election, all the visegrad group have it except Poland.
Actually, I don't understand Szijjarto ar all. How the fuck can somebody interpret the situation as Europe is the warmonger and wants war. WTF is the benefit for Europe? It's just batshit crazy crap propaganda.
You understand him perfectly, this is their whole point. Logic went out of the window quite a while ago.
Logic is there and it’s brutal. They’re doing this on purpose. Muddying the waters.
As Trump's post-truth advisors openly admit, their strategy is "flooding the zone with shit".
I believe the narrative is that Nato is the current aggressor in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This makes sense only if you view Ukraine as a Russian puppet in all but name that was "stolen" from Russia by European/Nato encroachment after the Ukrainian revolution.
By reimagining Ukraine as a political pawn without its own agency, Russia's war is reframed as putting down a western-backed rebellion instead of invading another country.
Same for the baltic states. Like all countries they joined NATO and the EU because they thought was for their benefit (and oh boy it was...), but these kind of people think it`s Russia`s god given right to keep them as colonies and therefore, welcoming them into the western alliance is an agression towards Russia.
It's Russian paranoia, they actually got all that land because Moscow's elite has an innate fear that all their neighbors are out to get them, therefore they have to "pacify" all their neighbors to be safe. Which just creates new neighbors who are rightfully scared of Moscow and arm accordingly.
It's a vicious and stupid cycle, but nobody ever accused Moscovites of being self-aware.
Which is an insane way of looking at it
This is what all neighbours of Russia have had to deal with since time immemorial
Imperialism is one hell of a drug
It's just a maskerade for more money- and power grabbing. Nationalism is nothing more than that, it rallies crowds behind you and therefore is a useful tool.
They just had to find a way to side with Russia without explicitly saying they are siding with Russia. So they came up with this "we only want peace, we don't want war" propaganda which enables them to say that everyone who supports Ukraine in their fight is a warmonger because "it creates more war". They obviously ignore questions about who started the war and what would happen to Ukraine if they just stopped fighting.
It really became their template for communication in the last 15 years. They find a position where they can say very general things with which most people would agree (we want peace, we want to protect the children, we want to keep the country sovereign, etc.) but they use it as a front for their twisted ideology, and if you criticise the ideology they fight back by saying you are criticising the "front" (you want war, you are endangering children, you are supporting foreign influence in the country, etc.) so for people who can't understand the complexity or the topic or who are not following politics and get their info from headlines, you are clearly the bad guy.
And it usually works because people like simple matters with simple solutions and simple explanations, so if you try to show that there's more to the topic, suddenly you're the one who's twisting it, or over-explaining it, and it's clear that it's actually you having a hidden agenda, because you're trying to make it complicated.
Word of the day: Vranyo
Word of the century.
There is no logic to understand, he doesn't believe what he says
The people they aim to dupe don't do any research. They just try to work them into an emotional frenzy.
There's a saying: its hard to explain something to a person, when their salary depends on them not understanding it
pjotr is lavrov's lapdog, search szijjarto lavrov medal. he is proud to have that.
EU doesn't let us do whatever we want therefore it's evil therefore Russia is good.
Pretty simple, really.
They don’t interpret it like that they just say shit. And there’s no consequences for saying dumb shit anymore. Democratic countries don’t retaliate, people read about it and chuckle but don’t care enough to have it form their opinions, etc.
No no, you DO get it. You say they/Europe want a war with Russia. This is idiotic - therefore we need to be against them. Logic is sound, it is the facts that are wrong.
On Hungary side Its finlandization,just badly implemented.
This is the classic ruski-dicksucker though process.
They think it's Russia's God given right to invade another country, they're entitled to it bc they're "stronger" and the country that doesn't just give up is the agressor.
Does it make sense? No it doesn't. But this is how some people think and how they want them to think.
This sly guy repeats the Kremlin's narrative over and over, believing (somewhat rightly) that Western societies will begin to put pressure on their governments. „Let's give in, let's not provoke Russia. Let's back down, or it will end in war.”
'Cos Putin has their balls in his pocket.Too much dirt on Fidesz prominents.Its not on the news, of course, but there is a Hungarian Epstein-like story, going up all the way 'til the top, and the russians obviously have proofs on this.They wistle, these monkeys dance...
That's Kremlin narrative. All pro-Kremlin puppets say same thing at one all over the world. They don't think. They only execute the order.
I see it this way. If Russia had invaded Hungary instead of Ukraine, the Hungarian leadership wouldn't have resisted that much.
Sikorski ⚡️we need more straightforward politicians like him!
I didn't know that guy before. I already appreciate him.
He's brilliant
Yup. Straight from Afghanistan.
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Didn't Hungary suffer under the USSR, why all the Russia love?
Yes. Orbán and his people are prostitutes for Putin and they've been propagandizing them for ages now.
Stockholm Syndrome
Orbán is blackmailed by Putin so he brainwashed his fans into siding with Russia
Blackmailed? Isn’t he just paid?
We believe there has to be more than money, as he already has access to unlimited amount of money through his main oligarch Lőrinc Mészáros.
There are things which point to the direction he participated in some complicated business in the 90s, but no hard evidence yet.
They got richer than the royal family by stealing the nation's wealth and stealing eu funds.
What amount money would be needed to motivate someone so rich?
Though on paper Orbán Viktor has 0 savings after 15years of being a president.
We don’t understand. Orbán protested in 1989 saying russians go home.
Meh soviet union were falling apart anyway everyone knew at that point what is going to happen in the next years
Lots and lots of propaganda and a PM that is in Putins pocket. Orban has been trying to undermine EU for years now. It's like almost always him that vetos things EU is trying to do.
Yes and no. Look up Goulash communism, that's why many people are so fond of the communist times.
It was bad and good and bad and good at the same time lol
Because Orban wants power
Memory is short
Szijjártó: "We understand..." = "Our Russian commanders told us what you think..."
"Our Russian commander told us what to think on what you think"
Kurwa people are getting W's all around this year with their foreign affairs.
The bobr is strong with this one!
The Polish MFA is actually Anne Applebaum:s husband which is interesting
Polish MFA also fought in Afganistan against Soviets which is interesting
Wasnt he reporter?
He was officially a reporter. Officially. Russian historians and russian puppets in Poland (e.g. Piskorski) insist that he was a British agent.
I wonder why
No idea. He was just a typical nothing special 18-year old from Poland in 1981 that got into UK to study english few months before martial law and got an asylum there then managed to get into oxford and was in the same club as british PM's Cameron and BoJo.
Just typical Polish refugee things.
it's pretty common for agencies to recruit from top schools and he had UK's citizenship so it's not impossible.
If thats what the MI5 wants to say sure.
He was specsops so we aren't sure what he did. It's all classified
An awesome couple
My polish friends, if you read this... Pls don't mind about this goverment of Hungary, the Fidesz. We hate our goverment, we don't share thier politics, we don't agree about those things that they make, and absolutly we DO NOT like russians.
🎵Lengyel - magyar, két jó barát Polak i Węgier, dwaj dobrzy przyjaciele.🇭🇺🇵🇱
❤ wishing you much luck in the spring election
See thats what I always say about the situation in Serbia. I have, however, come to realize that a lot of my compatriots do love Vucic and do vote for him. Yes elections are rigged, A LOT, but they are so easily rigged because his vast supporters help him in achieving this goal.
Same goes for Hungary and any nation incapable of bringing back the democratic rule. It's simply because a great part of our nation is working against it, knowingly.
Diplomatic fights are happening over twitter now? Wtf? At least be decent and release some diss tracka...
Poland is pretty much the most sensible western nation at the moment. Wild times. Leaders of the free world.
True. But they are one election gone bad away from regression though. It’s thin ice but I sure hope they continue their path, but don’t count out pis yet.
Not that familiar with polish politics, but I was fairly certain that if one thing’s for sure is that all of their relevant sides are anti russian.
Well, openly saying that you're pro-russian is a political suicide in Poland, which is good. But right wing parties are not necessarily pro-west/pro-EU... they're in a sad state of mind that everyone is their enemy and we have no allies.
Nah. It's nearly exact 50:50 split. With one half being either openly prorussian or trump-like antirussian.
Nah PiS i really antirussian. They love to be pro-trump but lately they are silent about him. Like if Your dad who You are proud about pissed himself on the party.
The only problems are Konfiarze and Gaśniczaki(Brauniarze) who are indeed really prorussian only claiming that not.
What is this nonsense? Poland is extremely anti-Russian. There's no 50-50 split about it. If there are pro-Russian Poles, they're a tiny, minuscule minority
I wouldn’t say we’re that sensible.
On one hand almost all of the parliamentary parties are staunchly anti-Russia, but on the other hand the right wing parties (which currently have the most support) and our president are really pro-Trump.
They’re just in deep denial about Trump being pro-Russian and believe that he will save us from any fallout no matter what happens.
Well northen Europe isn't really treating Russia as a joke either. Heck I'd argue the Finns are the most prepared nation on earth to actually defend against Russia.
It's probably fair to say that the so called 'Visegrád Group' is dead.
The nerve of the Hungarian FM, though. Really hope the Hungarian people rid themselves of Orbán and his clique before it is too late.
There was a Hungarian comedian called Géza Hofi, who had a joke like 30 years ago saying "now Viktor Orbán has created the Visegrád 1s".
It's relevant again lol.
It is quite late though, they already machinated with the election rules last time around, the voting system also crashed for "some reason". Who knows what they'll pull in the remaining months.
Hungary preparing to be on the losing side of world war, take three.
does anyone else find it concerning that people at this level are squabbling about extremely consequential matters over social media?
Yes I do. I don’t know but form officials i expected more adult manners
Talking Like a child.
God i hate my country's politicians
Love from Czechia to Polish bros <3
Unfortunately it seems that this is the direction Orban has chosen. Maybe because he knows, he might face legal problems, in case he looses the upcoming public vote?
When you’re in a Russian cock sucking contest and your opponent is Peter Szijarto 😳😳😳
Radek is a beast and I love watching him tear some new holes in prorussianites.
the retard doesn't realize that russia is already at war with Europe since Ukraine is in Europe?
Orban is leaking ru asses
As a Hungarian, just came here to say: Fuck our POS government
A bit off topic but I would love to see Sikorski as European Commission president. We need more politicians like him.
Oh my God, this would be a dream...
Extremely big W comment
Historically, Hungary keeps backing the wrong side and ends up losing.
What we see here is someone spewing russian propaganda vs. someone being real.
Hungary is just a Russian butt plug at this point
Fck Hungary! Sikroski is right in this one.
Orbán and his band of traitors are not "Hungary".
We are, and we're aiming to get rid of these fucking rat bastards.
Surely this shouldn't be a thing regardless of whos right and wrong? Twitter beefs are for egocentric celebrities, not people who literally set the agendas for armies. Not a good look at all and makes politics look unserious.
Hungary since 2022 found the 1 way to piss Poland off. Congratulations 👏🏻👏🏻
I appreciate that Poland is putting in more of an effort to counter Orban, but I won't forget it was them that allowed him to reach this point after protecting and backing him for the better part of a decade
That was another party tough
acting like whoever's in power now is responsible for everything the country ever did lol
We have two main parties, kind of like in the US.
The party that cooperated with Orban was PiS - the Polish equivalent of Republicans. Now PO is in power - the Polish equivalent of Democrats.
Hungary needs to be treated as an enemy. No more funding, no more trade. And no more NATO.
Why is he saying her war? Wouldn't it be his for Putin?
In Polish, the word "Russia" is feminine, I suppose.
It is
Is Poland femine too?
Actually, yes
Yes , but at the same time it is refereed to as "Fatherland"
Fatherland and ojczyzna both mean "land of your forefathers" not "land that is your father". The grammatical gender doesn't matter here.
It is acceptable/standard English to use femine pronouns when refering to nations (and ships), although it is going out of fashion.
"Her" because of Mother Russia is what I'm presuming
Using feminine pronouns for countries is correct in English, although a bit antiquated
I think he substituted "russia's" with "her", could be russia is feminine gender in Polish.
He means "this time you'd be on their side"
Mother Russia maybe?
That has happened several times in the last months actually
MFA spreading facts
kapta halt
...Hungary taking in Putin's dong full throatedly is crazy considering the Russians happily crushed the Hungarians.
It seems that we are hitting levels of insane, bloodthirsty warmongering in this subreddit that shouldn't even be possible. The sheer concentration of keyboard warriors screaming for someone else to go and get killed simply defies human comprehension.
So far everything I’ve seen Sikorski say has been so based
Hungary spreading their cheeks for Russia, after its done with their wife.
Fafo
Hungary were an axis state in WWII.
why are we even funding Hungary while Orban is still in charge? turn off the faucet and have them deal with him and then being them back in
I'm crying about the ratio😭
Poland is right yet again
i mean what was wrong with what what said ?
If Russia did pick on Poland, it would get a big shock.
I’ve traveled to Hungary many times, almost ten years ago for the first time. Over the last two years, I’ve stopped going there and I encourage everyone who still does to do the same. You can say “it’s Orbán’s fault,” but someone chose that man. I know Hungarians won’t miss me, but I just wanted to point out that it’s worth opposing Russian propaganda and Russia’s friends, even in this way.
Szijjártó can't even figure how to get his fucking hair cut properly. What can you expect?
It is impossible to underestimate these people because even when you think you set the bar as low as possible, they will find a way to disappoint.
They put a russian puppet state in the EU but Turkey was too corrupt to join at the time eh? Would've been a great ally now
We need more politicians like Radoslaw Sikorski
You can also say that we kick out anyone who supports Russia.
If Europe does decide to go to war with Russia, they will lose and it will be worse than the loss of last time which was worse than loss of last to last time.
But may be third time will be the charm? HaHa JK.
Why is that?
Well... I have studied the raw inputs and outputs of all the countries & anyone else who has done that, wouldn't find it surprising as well.
Its like Hitler thinking going to war with Soviet Union would be a good idea.
What I find very interesting is how certain countries find themselves propagandised every single century until a harsh reality check occurs and they remodulate.
XD
I love Poland 🇵🇱
It is so sad to see EU fighting internally
I was on a Polish-Hungarian (for high-school students) exchange this year and firstly we went to Hungary and everyone was very warm towards us and the friendship seemed better than ever, and the students from Hungary will visit us in May and we are already preparing to welcome them the best possible way
Sikorski is just incredibly based. He also had some legendary spats schooling Elon on Twitter ("go to Mars for Nazi salutes" or something). Dude's not taking sh*t from anyone lol.
one side is standing up for europe and shared values the other keeps choosing isolation and obstruction
Hungary is really humiliating themselves for quite some time. Not sure why?
Hungary always picks the side of nazis. But this time between US and Russia, whatever they choose, it can't go wrong for them 🤣
The Poles always go crazy as soon as they've been sovereign for a few years.
Complexes and delusions of grandeur smh
I'm ashamed of londonistan puppet sikorski
Poland should be homies with Romania anyway.
Sticking to europe is dangerous IMO Europe union wants to much control over everything and in their mess of DEMOCRACY they do not see a plague which is gonna be barely visable on streets untill 2050 cause somebody got money that fucks on their eyes their democracy. Instead of cooperating Eu wants to be over everything like in fucking utopia