So far we have war criminal Putin threatening judges of ICC, and war criminal Trump protecting war criminal Netanjahu by imposing sanctions against ICC judge.
Agreed.
Also the US set an extremely alarming and dangerous precent by cutting a French ICC judge out of all american digital services. That includes banking, e-shopping, smartphones and so on and so forth. The guy is basically back to 1980.
This is serious. The internet isn't free anymore, but conditioned on playing nice with the US, even if playing nice means disregarding international law.
Israel has the right to defend itself. Israel just removed the cancer that performed a continuous attack against Israeli state. But yeh, a muslim will take the side of that muslim, even if the c muslim is performing terror attacks.
Nope, instead Trump is (at this moment!) preparing sanctions against ICC employees across the board. Not just Khan, as he did before. With the consequences of them not being able to use creditcards, among other things.
I mean, they can. It's not like anyone is gonna extradite the Italian judge to russia. I think they also opened a case against an Italian Youtuber recently because on his website he shows a map with "Territories occupied by russia" and they don't like that lol
I have some doubt China would extradite a sitting ICC judge to Russia. Normally they don't get involved in stupid shenanigans as these for good reason.
China is unlikely to extradite an ICC judge to Russia, sitting or retired, even if Russia requests, because the risk/return just isn't worth it.
Given how much Russia is dependent on China already, them refusing or ignoring a extradition request for a single person, isn't going to have consequences. But if they extradite, China will have a diplomatic/trade crisis with EU, so it just isn't worth it to them.
People should stop calling it the Mid East there are plenty of names for that region, West Asia, Asia Minor, the Levant, Eastern Mediterranean but the most accurate is the Arab World oh and I am aware of the nuances but the culture of that part of the world is Arab.
Arab world doesn't work because the middle east includes Iran, the Kurds, and Israel, none of which are Arab. It also does not include all the Arab countries in Africa.
The Arab world is a different set of countries than the middle east
The Arab World is a gepgraphical term to describe North Africa & West Asia, the majority of the people living in this region are Arabs or Arab people by culture.
Yes. That's my point, it's a different region than the mid east. And the Arab World does not include all of west Asia, only the Arab parts (obviously).
I literally copy pasted that from Google. Anyway, it's what we call the Middle East, and I've never heard anyone complain about it, nor am I changing what we're taught when it's what we know it as.
The Middle East true represents a lot of people in that region incl Iranians, Turks and others but Arabs do consider that region to be the Arab World, the birth of Islam & the spread of Arab culture. It is distinct, Turkiye is considered part of Europe while Iran and other Muslim countries further east like Afghanistan & Pakistan are more Asian. Arabs have their own culture, religion & history and simple lumping them in with non Arabs and calling them all Mid East is a broad generalisation.
I am being accurate, because it's literally the accurate term for it here. I have never heard anyone say what you said, especially here, where it matters what we call it in our language.
They're not countries worth going to. But extradition requires a few extra steps.
For example, if you go to China, russia would have to find out you are there and then they would have to file a new request to Chinese authorities. China wouldn't know you're wanted in russia just because they filed an extradition request to Italy
This just mental, that country involved in an illegal invasion can do this.
Are you kidding ? The US did exactly the same thing just a few weeks ago and they aren't even invading another country (at least not by military force).
That's standard US policy. ICC cannot prosecute even a random American grunt for actually committing war crimes on the ground. Hell, if some whistleblower will try to reveal the crime in question, the US government will prosecute the whistleblower instead, and cover up for the actual perpetrator.
He could be referring to the Bush era "American Service-Members' Protection Act" (aka Hague Invasion Act):
The American Service-Members' Protection Act authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". This authorization led to the act being nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", since the act would allow the president to order military action in The Hague, the seat of the ICC, to prevent American or allied officials and military personnel from being prosecuted or detained by the ICC.
Nah. It's strange that it took them so long. A warrant that loomed so long over Putin without the Russian declaring it illegal and doing countermeasures. You seeing it mental? Why do they hold elections? It's mental, too, but it's necessary to create an illusion.
This is just the general reality of international law right now - Iran can talk about human rights, Russia can talk about the use of force, China can criticize self-determination and democracy while India can still pretend to be the "biggest democratic" country in the world despite having zero press freedom, normalized vote buying, and obscene inequality.
But let's talk about how shit the West is? Remember colonialism and all those wars you started?
The reality is we have a free society where we openly talk about issues and most of the world does not. The result is our dirty laundry gets air time while the rest of the world kills or imprisons anyone before they can talk.
Israel-Palestine is a good example of this regardless of personal views, or the objective reality that Israel is committing atrocious acts right now. Israel and Palestine are not held to the same standard - self-determination and security are entirely nonsensical words. There is zero acknowledgment of the 500 years of Ottoman colonialism which is a huge part of this story or the legacy of Arab suprematism, and Islamic fundamentalism which is a widespread phenomenon in all Middle Eastern states. Yazidis, Mandeans, Druze, Arab Christians, Circassians, Samaritans, Marsh Arabs and so on - it is a widespread issue that goes far beyond Israel. What is happening in Palestine isn't just a national struggle for self-determination but a struggle for a specific type of self-determination - where all of Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan is "Palestine". We call this irredentism but for whatever reason we only use this word when its Hungary, or Romania making the claims.
The issue isn't international law, or politics. It's just the inability for people to just acknowledge the hypocrisy of everyone which just creates more double standards and future dilemmas. How can anyone follow the rules when only half the players are ever held accountable? It's like playing a game of football only the referee only watches one side. Of course the game is going to be shit and fall apart.
There's just no logic to any of it. We criticize Trump, but then support regimes infinitely worse than anything Trump has ever done. We are condemning ICE deportations when these actions are routine in the Middle East and Africa. Millions of Rohingya were deported from Myanmar and literally no body cares. We need a drastic change in perspective. We accuse Western states of violating some fundamental norm when states deny trans-rights but in places like Mauritania, Congo or Sudan people aren't even viewed as human. Forget rights - they don't even get to wake up.
In a statement, the National Magistrates Association calls on the Italian government to question Russia.
The Italian judge of the International Criminal Court, Salvatore Aitala, who had issued from The Hague the arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin, has been sentenced in absentia along with other colleagues by the Moscow court to 15 years in prison, accused of “prosecuting innocent people” and of “attempted violence against persons enjoying international protection.”
On the very day the EU decided to freeze Russian assets, news of Aitala’s conviction was reported by the newspapers Avvenire and Il Fatto Quotidiano.
The reaction of the Central Executive Committee of the National Magistrates Association was immediate: “We hope,” reads a statement from the ANM, “that the Italian government will immediately demand explanations from the Russian government regarding the circumstances that led Judge Aitala to be sentenced in absentia by the Moscow court. Aitala works for the International Criminal Court, an institution bornin Italy, in Rome*, which represents a bastion of law at the global level.”*
The ANM concluded: “We hope that Aitala’s membership in this institution has not become a pretext for Russia to exercise an odious form of retaliation against him and our country.”
Retaliation was openly mentioned by the spokesperson of the Russian Foreign Ministry, known for her bombastic threats: “Our response will be immediate. The Bank of Russia published a detailed statement on the matter on December 12. Concrete measures are already being implemented,” declared Maria Zakharova in a note released by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and circulated by the RIA Novosti agency.
The indictment and “wanted” photos
On May 21, 2023, the Investigative Office of the Russian Prosecutor General indicted the ICC judges in absentia. At the time, the Russian Investigative Office also released mugshots of the judges, including Aitala, posted as “wanted.” It stated that the decision to issue the warrant had been “knowingly illegal” and amounted to “the criminal prosecution of a notoriously innocent person, combined with the unlawful accusation of a person of a particularly serious crime, as well as the preparation of an attack against the head of a foreign state enjoying international protection, with the aim of complicating international relations.”
The court presided over by the judge who sent Navalny to Siberia
The court that sentenced the ICC judges is presided over by Judge Andrei Suvorov, the same judge who in the past sent dissident Alexei Navalny to a penal colony in Siberia, where he later died under circumstances never fully clarified, and who systematically prosecutes political opponents.
Alongside Aitala, eight other magistrates of the Court and the international prosecutor’s office were convicted, including former ICC president Piotr Józef Hofmański, his successor Tomoko Akane, and second vice president Reine Alapini-Gansou. All have been placed on an international wanted list, with the possibility that Moscow may ask Interpol to issue a global warrant.
The International Criminal Court had issued in March 2023 its first arrest warrant for Putin and for the Commissioner for Children’s Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, accused of the illegal deportation of Ukrainian minors. Moscow rejected the measure as “null and void” and launched criminal proceedings against the ICC judges. Now comes the ruling, escalating the confrontation also on the level of international law.
When Aitala said: “History will ask us where we were when an attack on the civilization of rights was taking place”
Six months ago, Judge Aitala declared at the University of Bologna: “Where were you? Where were you?” He warned that in a few years history would ask where jurists and intellectuals had been while “an attack on the civilization of rights” was unfolding: how will this era be described, in which “a convergence of interests between autocracies and certain democracies declares war on an order of civilization”?
That June day, the ICC vice president did not enter into the specific and highly sensitive cases he was handling, but spoke of the resistance of some states to cooperate with the Court because they “consider the international tribunal a political body.” He admitted he was “not surprised” by certain failures to cooperate in situations of potential conflict between “even legitimate internal political interests” and rights. Some interpreted those words as a reference to the Al Masri case, whom Italy did not hand over to The Hague but instead returned to Libya on a state flight.
Now, as feverish negotiations for a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine continue, and while Italy accepts “with reservations” the EU’s freezing of Russian assets, it remains to be seen whether our government will respond to the provocation of this arrest warrant against the Sicilian judge engaged at the top of that international tribunal, with which relations remain tense precisely due to the lack of bilateral consultations over the Al Masri case.
The current Russian regime poses a serious threat to all democracies in Europe. Period!
We must no longer give in to this system, its proponents, or their supporters!
Even if the majority of the west doesn't like Russia, there's still other parts of the world that do, and will abide by requests like these (even some European leaders like Orban might feel like it).
If they had not annexed Crimea & invaded Ukraine. This situation would not have arisen. A lot of innocent lives were lost , a lot of destruction & a waste of money which could have been put to better use.
This is a joke sentence. If any of these judges find themselves in Russia, like if their areas are annexed by Russia, then they will all die in prison. 15 years is not what he will get. It will be 15 years then after 10 years he'll get another 15 years and so forth until they kill him in prison. Same for all these judges and they all already know this.
Is it still worth it to have the ICC when nothing they do on the powers in place is applied?
Ok they can judge the losers, and apply a sentence, but when it comes for us, Russia, China and their buddies, they can't do nothing...
Russia sentences Italian ICC judge Aitala, who issued the arrest warrant for Putin, to 15 years in prison.
Conveniently, that also gives them a reason to attack Europe - after all, if we don't arrest those evil judges, the Russians will have to do it themselves.
The things that I wrote in my life about Russia and Putin, the things that millions of people worldwide wrote... Well, if they tried prosecuting us, like half of the planet would get A LIFE by the russian "courts". 🤣🤣
I don't understand, so what's the outrage here? ICC judge issues arrest warrant for Putin, and in turn Puting issues arrest warrant for the judge. So Putin doesn't go to places that can prosecute him and the judge avoids places that will prosecute him... It's just word on paper not actual actions as far as I understand.
After Russia purchased Trump to be on their side, now they are back to the terrorist methods. They already try to scare Belgium ministers, now Italy. Europe is so weak.
I hope USA will support ICC against such threats.
Oh, wait ...
I hope that EU will support ICC against every war criminal.
Oh, wait....
So far we have war criminal Putin threatening judges of ICC, and war criminal Trump protecting war criminal Netanjahu by imposing sanctions against ICC judge.
Yes, I hope for more support from EU
Why blame the entirety of the EU for that?
Why not? The people like VDL, Kaja Kallas and Costa express support for ICC only when it going after Russian war criminals.
Zero talk about Israel war crimes or sanctions on ICC judges by USA.
Similar is for leaders of EU top countries like France, Germany, Italy.....
Expressing support for ICC needs to be done for every war criminal, not just the ones that suit them.
Agreed.
Also the US set an extremely alarming and dangerous precent by cutting a French ICC judge out of all american digital services. That includes banking, e-shopping, smartphones and so on and so forth. The guy is basically back to 1980.
This is serious. The internet isn't free anymore, but conditioned on playing nice with the US, even if playing nice means disregarding international law.
Israel has the right to defend itself. Israel just removed the cancer that performed a continuous attack against Israeli state. But yeh, a muslim will take the side of that muslim, even if the c muslim is performing terror attacks.
Yes, it does. But there is defending, and then there is shit that is happening in Gaza and West Bank.
Pretty sure that Hamas still exists. Either way the problem is that Israel sees both Hamas and civilian Palestinians as cancer.
I am not muslim, actually my ancestors fought muslims multiple times.
Genocide in the name of “right to defend” is pretty bad…
USA is not an ICC signatory.
Nope, instead Trump is (at this moment!) preparing sanctions against ICC employees across the board. Not just Khan, as he did before. With the consequences of them not being able to use creditcards, among other things.
Makes me wonder if someone inspired him.
Why would they? USA is always against this virtue signalling circus.
This just mental, that country involved in an illegal invasion can do this.
Because too many idiots in the world will believe people like Trump and Putin
I mean, they can. It's not like anyone is gonna extradite the Italian judge to russia. I think they also opened a case against an Italian Youtuber recently because on his website he shows a map with "Territories occupied by russia" and they don't like that lol
quite a few countries would - it just limits travel options a bit, need to avoid any countries that have an extradition treaty with russia
Asia: Thailand (recent), China, India, Sri Lanka, Laos.
Europe/Central Asia: Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan (strong ties).
Middle East: UAE.
Americas: Panama.
Other: Spain (for specific cases)
I doubt Spain would. Shame about Thailand and Panama.
Couldn't give a shit about china or India. Never setting foot there these days, especially since HK is no more.
So no loss for any really, except maybe fly overs. Maybe the list isn't extensive but it's a quick search.
china, India, Russia... couldn't pay me enough even pre-war.
I have some doubt China would extradite a sitting ICC judge to Russia. Normally they don't get involved in stupid shenanigans as these for good reason.
China is unlikely to extradite an ICC judge to Russia, sitting or retired, even if Russia requests, because the risk/return just isn't worth it.
Given how much Russia is dependent on China already, them refusing or ignoring a extradition request for a single person, isn't going to have consequences. But if they extradite, China will have a diplomatic/trade crisis with EU, so it just isn't worth it to them.
Uhh... what specific cases for Spain? Is it getting strays for something I didn't hear about or something? lol
USA?
People should stop calling it the Mid East there are plenty of names for that region, West Asia, Asia Minor, the Levant, Eastern Mediterranean but the most accurate is the Arab World oh and I am aware of the nuances but the culture of that part of the world is Arab.
Arab world doesn't work because the middle east includes Iran, the Kurds, and Israel, none of which are Arab. It also does not include all the Arab countries in Africa.
The Arab world is a different set of countries than the middle east
The Arab World is a gepgraphical term to describe North Africa & West Asia, the majority of the people living in this region are Arabs or Arab people by culture.
Yes. That's my point, it's a different region than the mid east. And the Arab World does not include all of west Asia, only the Arab parts (obviously).
Cool story bro
Nobody cares
I literally copy pasted that from Google. Anyway, it's what we call the Middle East, and I've never heard anyone complain about it, nor am I changing what we're taught when it's what we know it as.
The Middle East true represents a lot of people in that region incl Iranians, Turks and others but Arabs do consider that region to be the Arab World, the birth of Islam & the spread of Arab culture. It is distinct, Turkiye is considered part of Europe while Iran and other Muslim countries further east like Afghanistan & Pakistan are more Asian. Arabs have their own culture, religion & history and simple lumping them in with non Arabs and calling them all Mid East is a broad generalisation.
MM no, it's what we call it in Europe. This is Europe. I'm going to continue calling it what it is known as here.
Your not being accurate though, Arab World is more precise.
Non-Arab people living in your "Arab World"
Persians – Iran
Kurds – Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria (largest stateless nation in the world)
Lurs – Western Iran
Baloch – Iran (southeast), Pakistan
Talysh – Northern Iran, Azerbaijan
Gilaks & Mazandarani – Caspian coast of Iran
Ossetians – Caucasus
Turks – Turkey
Azeris (Azerbaijanis) – Azerbaijan, northwest Iran
Turkmen – Turkmenistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria
Qashqai – Southern Iran
Jews – Israel and diaspora communities throughout the region
Assyrians / Syriacs / Chaldeans – Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran
Mandaeans – Southern Iraq, Iran
Samaritans – Israel/West Bank
Armenians – Armenia, eastern Turkey, Iran, Lebanon
Georgians – Georgia, historical communities in Iran and Turkey
Circassians (Adyghe) – Turkey, Jordan, Syria
Chechens & Ingush – Caucasus fringe regions
Berbers (Amazigh)
Beja – Eastern Sudan, southern Egypt
Druze – Israel, Lebanon, Syria
Yazidis – Iraq, Syria
I am being accurate, because it's literally the accurate term for it here. I have never heard anyone say what you said, especially here, where it matters what we call it in our language.
They're not countries worth going to. But extradition requires a few extra steps.
For example, if you go to China, russia would have to find out you are there and then they would have to file a new request to Chinese authorities. China wouldn't know you're wanted in russia just because they filed an extradition request to Italy
Nobody is gonna deport the judges to Russia so they can face their sentences. This is just Russia tilting at windmills.
Are you kidding ? The US did exactly the same thing just a few weeks ago and they aren't even invading another country (at least not by military force).
Cut off by their banks and even iced out by Alexa, sanctioned ICC staffers remain resolute
Reuters - Exclusive: US threatens new ICC sanctions unless court pledges not to prosecute Trump
Thats Trump enemy of democracy
That's standard US policy. ICC cannot prosecute even a random American grunt for actually committing war crimes on the ground. Hell, if some whistleblower will try to reveal the crime in question, the US government will prosecute the whistleblower instead, and cover up for the actual perpetrator.
trump going crazy, news at 11 - about not invading another country, they're working on that with venezuela, stay tuned
Just check the older news.
US is threatening (and putting sactions on) ICC regardless the exact president in charge...
Biden liften sanctions on ICC judges, and Obama openly stated he wanted ot cooperate with them.
By older news, you must be refering to Trump's first term, where he placed sanctions on ICC judges.
He could be referring to the Bush era "American Service-Members' Protection Act" (aka Hague Invasion Act):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
Still a Republican president who passed it, though I believe the only one who has actually tried to have it removed was Ilhan Omar (D) in 2022.
And he went the opposite soon:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c704y7gwr95o
Nah. It's strange that it took them so long. A warrant that loomed so long over Putin without the Russian declaring it illegal and doing countermeasures. You seeing it mental? Why do they hold elections? It's mental, too, but it's necessary to create an illusion.
The US enacted a law to invade Europe if someone ever tries to bring a US soldier in front of the ICC.
Look up Hague Invasion Act.
This is just the general reality of international law right now - Iran can talk about human rights, Russia can talk about the use of force, China can criticize self-determination and democracy while India can still pretend to be the "biggest democratic" country in the world despite having zero press freedom, normalized vote buying, and obscene inequality.
But let's talk about how shit the West is? Remember colonialism and all those wars you started?
The reality is we have a free society where we openly talk about issues and most of the world does not. The result is our dirty laundry gets air time while the rest of the world kills or imprisons anyone before they can talk.
Israel-Palestine is a good example of this regardless of personal views, or the objective reality that Israel is committing atrocious acts right now. Israel and Palestine are not held to the same standard - self-determination and security are entirely nonsensical words. There is zero acknowledgment of the 500 years of Ottoman colonialism which is a huge part of this story or the legacy of Arab suprematism, and Islamic fundamentalism which is a widespread phenomenon in all Middle Eastern states. Yazidis, Mandeans, Druze, Arab Christians, Circassians, Samaritans, Marsh Arabs and so on - it is a widespread issue that goes far beyond Israel. What is happening in Palestine isn't just a national struggle for self-determination but a struggle for a specific type of self-determination - where all of Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan is "Palestine". We call this irredentism but for whatever reason we only use this word when its Hungary, or Romania making the claims.
The issue isn't international law, or politics. It's just the inability for people to just acknowledge the hypocrisy of everyone which just creates more double standards and future dilemmas. How can anyone follow the rules when only half the players are ever held accountable? It's like playing a game of football only the referee only watches one side. Of course the game is going to be shit and fall apart.
There's just no logic to any of it. We criticize Trump, but then support regimes infinitely worse than anything Trump has ever done. We are condemning ICE deportations when these actions are routine in the Middle East and Africa. Millions of Rohingya were deported from Myanmar and literally no body cares. We need a drastic change in perspective. We accuse Western states of violating some fundamental norm when states deny trans-rights but in places like Mauritania, Congo or Sudan people aren't even viewed as human. Forget rights - they don't even get to wake up.
Yeah? It's a dictatorship, they can do just about anything. If anything the surprise should be that it's a warrant, not a kill order.
who cares what a puppet state does in his internal affairs - the sentence has no effect, and is farce as everyone knows.
This is just Russian virtue signaling. It's not like any of the judges were keen on visiting Russia before, or Italy would extradite them.
Just watch the ginger marionet follow suit!
So what! Russian courts are meaningless clown shows🤡
The ICC Court is not.
Putin to The Hague along with the rest of the war criminals 🙏🇺🇦
Opposed to a legal invasion I assume.
Do what? They're not doing anything. Don't confuse legal authority with actual authority.
What constitutes a legal invasion?
Article in English (part 1):
In a statement, the National Magistrates Association calls on the Italian government to question Russia.
The Italian judge of the International Criminal Court, Salvatore Aitala, who had issued from The Hague the arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin, has been sentenced in absentia along with other colleagues by the Moscow court to 15 years in prison, accused of “prosecuting innocent people” and of “attempted violence against persons enjoying international protection.”
On the very day the EU decided to freeze Russian assets, news of Aitala’s conviction was reported by the newspapers Avvenire and Il Fatto Quotidiano.
The reaction of the Central Executive Committee of the National Magistrates Association was immediate: “We hope,” reads a statement from the ANM, “that the Italian government will immediately demand explanations from the Russian government regarding the circumstances that led Judge Aitala to be sentenced in absentia by the Moscow court. Aitala works for the International Criminal Court, an institution born in Italy, in Rome*, which represents a bastion of law at the global level.”*
The ANM concluded: “We hope that Aitala’s membership in this institution has not become a pretext for Russia to exercise an odious form of retaliation against him and our country.”
Retaliation was openly mentioned by the spokesperson of the Russian Foreign Ministry, known for her bombastic threats: “Our response will be immediate. The Bank of Russia published a detailed statement on the matter on December 12. Concrete measures are already being implemented,” declared Maria Zakharova in a note released by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and circulated by the RIA Novosti agency.
The indictment and “wanted” photos
On May 21, 2023, the Investigative Office of the Russian Prosecutor General indicted the ICC judges in absentia. At the time, the Russian Investigative Office also released mugshots of the judges, including Aitala, posted as “wanted.” It stated that the decision to issue the warrant had been “knowingly illegal” and amounted to “the criminal prosecution of a notoriously innocent person, combined with the unlawful accusation of a person of a particularly serious crime, as well as the preparation of an attack against the head of a foreign state enjoying international protection, with the aim of complicating international relations.”
Criminals/Russia pointing fingers to Europe... haha, hilarious joke. Imbecile bunch of oldtimers
It’s even not funny anymore. Absolutely ridiculous world today
The court presided over by the judge who sent Navalny to Siberia
The court that sentenced the ICC judges is presided over by Judge Andrei Suvorov, the same judge who in the past sent dissident Alexei Navalny to a penal colony in Siberia, where he later died under circumstances never fully clarified, and who systematically prosecutes political opponents.
Alongside Aitala, eight other magistrates of the Court and the international prosecutor’s office were convicted, including former ICC president Piotr Józef Hofmański, his successor Tomoko Akane, and second vice president Reine Alapini-Gansou. All have been placed on an international wanted list, with the possibility that Moscow may ask Interpol to issue a global warrant.
The International Criminal Court had issued in March 2023 its first arrest warrant for Putin and for the Commissioner for Children’s Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, accused of the illegal deportation of Ukrainian minors. Moscow rejected the measure as “null and void” and launched criminal proceedings against the ICC judges. Now comes the ruling, escalating the confrontation also on the level of international law.
When Aitala said: “History will ask us where we were when an attack on the civilization of rights was taking place”
Six months ago, Judge Aitala declared at the University of Bologna: “Where were you? Where were you?” He warned that in a few years history would ask where jurists and intellectuals had been while “an attack on the civilization of rights” was unfolding: how will this era be described, in which “a convergence of interests between autocracies and certain democracies declares war on an order of civilization”?
That June day, the ICC vice president did not enter into the specific and highly sensitive cases he was handling, but spoke of the resistance of some states to cooperate with the Court because they “consider the international tribunal a political body.” He admitted he was “not surprised” by certain failures to cooperate in situations of potential conflict between “even legitimate internal political interests” and rights. Some interpreted those words as a reference to the Al Masri case, whom Italy did not hand over to The Hague but instead returned to Libya on a state flight.
Now, as feverish negotiations for a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine continue, and while Italy accepts “with reservations” the EU’s freezing of Russian assets, it remains to be seen whether our government will respond to the provocation of this arrest warrant against the Sicilian judge engaged at the top of that international tribunal, with which relations remain tense precisely due to the lack of bilateral consultations over the Al Masri case.
(Part 2)
Just irrelevant empty gesturing, but something they can all wear as a badge of honour.
If anyone, a Brit should know Russia is more than willing to attack people on foreign soil.
That's got pretty much nothing to do with issuing an arrest warrent.
Just like Trump.
The dudes are bonkers
Sentencing without an "arrest" is pretty fantastical, even for a backwards thinking country like Russia.
ZERO legal jurisdiction lmfao
He`s born in Catania ,not afraid of Russia.
The current Russian regime poses a serious threat to all democracies in Europe. Period! We must no longer give in to this system, its proponents, or their supporters!
Why do we pay attention to what the Russians say?
Even if the majority of the west doesn't like Russia, there's still other parts of the world that do, and will abide by requests like these (even some European leaders like Orban might feel like it).
Well Putin has 73.... His time is ending I believe and he want to be in history books... and he will... as an awful person.... Bravo
The Russian government can fuck off and keep fucking off into eternity
As proper gangsters, they threaten judges who move against them.
I wonder if the EU will act to protect them against foreign reprisals.
If they had not annexed Crimea & invaded Ukraine. This situation would not have arisen. A lot of innocent lives were lost , a lot of destruction & a waste of money which could have been put to better use.
I wondered where Trump got that idea from
This is a joke sentence. If any of these judges find themselves in Russia, like if their areas are annexed by Russia, then they will all die in prison. 15 years is not what he will get. It will be 15 years then after 10 years he'll get another 15 years and so forth until they kill him in prison. Same for all these judges and they all already know this.
People saying he just needs to avoid certain countries are forgetting it’s not beyond them to poison people on foreign soil
Two can play that game, huh. Who knew?
Is it still worth it to have the ICC when nothing they do on the powers in place is applied? Ok they can judge the losers, and apply a sentence, but when it comes for us, Russia, China and their buddies, they can't do nothing...
Meloni is in Trump's and Putin's pockets and will do absolutely nothing to protect the judge.
Conveniently, that also gives them a reason to attack Europe - after all, if we don't arrest those evil judges, the Russians will have to do it themselves.
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It seems like open season on icc judges. With Israel, USA and Russia leading the hunt.
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The things that I wrote in my life about Russia and Putin, the things that millions of people worldwide wrote... Well, if they tried prosecuting us, like half of the planet would get A LIFE by the russian "courts". 🤣🤣
Here we go people be prepared! Stay strong together
And why exactly should we care?
What law did he break ?
I don't understand, so what's the outrage here? ICC judge issues arrest warrant for Putin, and in turn Puting issues arrest warrant for the judge. So Putin doesn't go to places that can prosecute him and the judge avoids places that will prosecute him... It's just word on paper not actual actions as far as I understand.
After Russia purchased Trump to be on their side, now they are back to the terrorist methods. They already try to scare Belgium ministers, now Italy. Europe is so weak.