Yeah but it's a 10m statue, he needed power tools and there are buildings around so how tf nobody noticed a noisy guy with the big clunking ladder and an angle grinder that produces literally rock concert noise levels (90-115db). Head must have made noise when it fell. I'm actually inclined to believe that story that it was organized.
They're more Alpine people than Balkan people. Think of them being more like the Swiss or the Austrians than like the Serbs or Greeks. Hence maybe the patience to carefully saw off a statue's head over several days than bash it off with a sledgehammer.
I don't know, but it happens now and then even with fully non-political statues. Someone stole a head of Carl von Linné (aka Linnaeus) in a town here a few years ago.
No. He wanted to destroy the statue, so the municipality would give in to changing statues renaming the square after miners instead of a former dictator.
There was an initiative to do that a few months back, but the mayor shut it down. I guess the man just wanted to get things done.
i swear i used to hear a case about stuff like this happening about once per month in my country (lots of statues in rural or small villages) and lots of "money washing" statues which local admins pay overpriced prices and are useless for that community..
people do it for their funsies... or vandalizing as protest
I know the guy who did it I also live in city. Someone saw him loading the head (which was for some reason pretty far from the actual statue, there are way better places to park car and load it 💀) and called cops. They got him not far from my place not long after he did it. He was posting some funny shit online but it wasnt the reason they got him
In Velenje, Slovenia, a 49-year-old local man beheaded the large bronze Josip Broz Tito statue on Tito Square, loaded the head into the trunk of his Škoda — which was driving around with two different Croatian license plates — and then bragged about it online. Police arrested him soon after and found the bronze head in his car.
The suspect, Miroslav Pačnik, is now charged with damaging cultural heritage, a crime that can carry up to eight years in prison under Slovenian law, and the Velenje city authorities plan to file a damage claim to cover repair costs. Many people online are pointing out that Slovenian courts often hand down much lighter punishments in practice, so he could end up serving only a few months — if any actual prison time at all — depending on how things play out.
Meanwhile, welders have already reattached Tito’s head, and the statue is being fully restored.
After the arrest, Velenje’s mayor, Peter Dermol, condemned the act and described the suspect as “an unbalanced person with an unbalanced background,” which the suspect’s lawyer, Franci Matoz, has called offensive and inappropriate. Matoz is now demanding a formal public apology and has said he will take the mayor to court if the apology is not issued.
Here’s where it gets political: Pačnik’s lawyer is Franci Matoz, a high-profile attorney who has long represented Janez Janša, the three-time former prime minister of Slovenia and current leader of the opposition, and has been closely involved with Janša’s Slovene Democratic Party (SDS). Because of this, many are speculating that the act and Matoz’s aggressive legal defence may not be just random vandalism, but a carefully planned move being used by SDS to drag debates about WWII, communism, and historical symbols back into the public arena just a few months before Slovenia’s general elections, feeding wider political culture wars.
The mayor of Velenje, Peter Dermol, has pushed back hard, called the act unacceptable, and refuses to retract his criticism, rejecting calls for any apology to the suspect.
How to get a statue of Tito restored to original standard. Cut his head of. Step 2. Statue getting fully restored. Defense in court. I thought the statue could use a polish.
Not surprised he had Croatian license plates. Figured before reading the article Slovenians aren’t petty enough to do such a thing. I’m surprised the Croat didn’t replace the head with hitlers head or Pavelic.
In Velenje, Slovenia, a 49-year-old local man beheaded the large bronze Josip Broz Tito statue on Tito Square, loaded the head into the trunk of his Škoda — which was driving around with two different Croatian license plates — and then bragged about it online. Police arrested him soon after and found the bronze head in his car.
They have a constant 20-25% of the population. They are doing fine, nothing special, but not declining either. It's more like there is no alternative to vote for, since our political parties are all a bunch of idiots, to say the least. People don't go vote at all, and that's how he usually wins every few years.
I wish Greens would get their shit together after so many years, but they are nonexistent still.
Since you're complaining about political parties: Have you joined one or are you a lazy person who just complains but never actually does something himself for things to change?
This is such a tremendously stupid affair. Dude is a vandal, deal with him and move on... would be a normal thing to say if we lived in a normal country. But right now, the atmosphere is really bad because our distrust in institutions, especially judges, have never been higher/
To give you more context from someone local to the area. Tito is a good example of the saying "Great men are rarely good men."
Despite his flaws he is still seen in a very positive light due to his leadership in WW2 and after. Yugoslavia enjoyed relative stability and prosperity under him. His defiance of Stalin as well as his co-founding of the non aligned movement earned him and Yugoslavia a lot of respect in the World (Yugoslavias passport was for a while considered the most valuable passport in the World).
People are aware aware he wasn't a good man due to a lot of reasons and it's why his legacy is a lot more nuanced than just "He was a dictator why do people like him?" Things like Goli Otok are well known here as well as stuff like the secret police but he still has an overall positive legacy.
Finally this statue is actually of big historical significance and a source of pride for the city of Velenje. This city was just a small village for most of it's history but after WW2 in the 1950s with help from the government and lead by Tito the city rapidly expanded and industrialized "officially opening" as a city in 1959 after development plans were done. Just like the local mine this is a source of pride for a lot of locals here and the city for a time was even known as Titovo Velenje (literally just Tito's Velenje). The city itself is pretty much an example of what Tito hoped for Yugoslavia to be as it's a mix of many different peoples and cultures (many Bosnians, Serbs and even Albanian/Kosovar people live here) collectively working together.
His legacy is very complex in this part of the World and no one will say he was perfect or even argue he was a good man but he did a lot of positive things for his people and it's why he still has a statue.
But not just that. He was a freedom fighter against German forces in WW2. People do not take seriously that fight of Yugoslav partisans which was substantial and had temporary liberated areas.
In Belgrade, in House of Flowers (where his grave is) there is still that map showing that virtually all countries in the world sent their official delegations to commemorate his funeral. How many politicians managed to achieve that level of respect?
I am not a fan of Socialism or Communism and I am againstthose, but his legacy is not trivial and I always acknowledge his deeds. Wast majority of people in his shoes would do much worse for the people.
Not only that - if western countries do it, they pretend it didn't happen.
People here are unironically talking about Yugoslavia's secret police. At the same time, CIA was happily conducting experiments on black population in USA, was bombing it's own people and was also creating a drug epidemic that is still fucking them over, to this day.
They are calling out Tito for assassinations of political dissidents that were working on breaking up his country.
At the same time, britain's intelligence agencies were involved with multiple killings in northern ireland, and both them and france were perfectly happy with sanctioning entire wars in other countries entirely, so that they could protect the interests of an oil company.
But sure, Tito was the only world leader with a list of crimes at that time.
This comment chain is specifically about "having people persecuted and killed in gruesome ways".
As far as authoritarianism in Yugoslavia goes, entire books could have been written about it, because it was more or less a mixed system, that was incredibly restricting in some areas, while also giving general citizens more choice than they currently have.
Yes, Tito was president for life, and there was just one party. To be in the party at all, you had to have a clean history, and some behaviours, like being openly religious, were not tolerated if you wanted to be a politician. That was reprehensible, and it was going directly against religious freedom.
At the same time, elections were still held, with multiple people running for the position, and a winner often wasn't the candidate that was favoured by the party.
People also had more elections to vote in - there were company held elections, you could also vote for specific issues and projects when it came to city and urban planning. That kind of direct participation is something that we've seen only recently appearing after in Europe a heavy push, and ex Yugoslav countries had that decades ago, and then mostly lost it after the fall of Yugoslavia.
Multi party system is an improvement, but it's sad that we've lost the direct participation aspect of living in a democracy.
Yes, pretty much exactly. He led his country to political, cultural and economic stability, but also did some very bad things. So overall it's more complex than him being a 'good' or 'bad' leader
Every diverse country that has ever existed has had to be ruled with an iron fist, because when the populace don't naturally have a consensus the only way to create stability is for the leader to create a consensus themselves. Every other type of system in those countries is doomed to fail. Democracy turns into mob rule in such nations, or a power-sharing system like Lebanon results in a failed state incapable of governing itself.
The only workable alternative, breaking up into billions of different countries is great for the regional and global powers, as small divided nations are much easier to control. The former Yugoslav states are fortunate that the EU is a relatively benevolent power, but Tito was dealing with a very different situation. If they each had to fend for themselves after WW2 they would have been absolutely screwed.
Not every country can be as inbred as Iceland, so this is simply a fact of life that isn't going to go away. The more diverse a country is, the more fractious its society is and the greater level of control a Government has to exert in order to maintain the monopoly on legitimate violence. It's a fundamental law of Governance that can only change if human nature ever changes.
It does not have to be that way. Switzerland or Belgium are not ruled with an iron fist. Same goes for countries with different religious groups like the Netherlands or Germany.
What one needs is not a dictatorship but rather a well-educated, civil and democratic society which understands well that nationalism or sectarianism are idiotic and one has to constantly work against those undercurrents.
Thanks to Tito yugoslavia could free itself from Nazi-rule. The only country in Europe who did this by themselves and not through the soviets or americans.
Tito was basically the 3rd stubborn guy Stalin couldn’t take out without destroying his own political career (alongside Zhukov & Beria). As Tito famously once said in a letter to Stalin, after Stalin sent 3 separate assassins ‘Stop sending assassins, I’ve already captured 3 and if you send another I’ll send 1 to Moscow and won’t need to send another.’ -Josip Broz Tito
The “Big Three” allied forces were the Soviet, USA and UK. Added to them were smaller forces from other European countries and the British Commonwealth. For example, the main liberators of the Netherlands are the Canadians.
Because he was a great man. He navigated Yugoslavia through the cold war, keeping the Soviets out.
Was he a dictator? Yes. But there is a reason for this
His state funeral was held four days later on 8 May, drawing a significant amount of statesmen from Western, Eastern and Non-Aligned countries across the world. The attendees included four kings, six princes, 22 prime ministers, 31 presidents, and 47 ministers of foreign affairs. In total, 128 countries out of the 154 UN members at the time were represented. Also present were delegates from seven multilateral organizations, six movements and forty political parties.
As always you can't judge people by the standards of your own time, but only by the standards of their time. What he managed to do was an incredible achievement. He kept this part of the world together, mostly by his gravitas. (And of course some dictatorship style violence) And as soon as he died everything went down the tubes. Which only confirms that is was actually him keeping things together.
He liberated us from German and Italian occupation and ordered to build Velenje (the city where the “beheading” happened education). Obviously the partizans were at times unnecessarily cruel in the post-war period, however we literally wouldn’t exist how we do today without him.
Because yugonostalgia is a religion for some, and they're incapable of coming to terms that the previous totalitarian regime is, unsurprisingly, not great.
It was not great, but best compromise you can get at given time and circumstances. If there wasn’t constant complaints and sabotage from Slovenia and Croatia, Yugoslavia would be best country in the world.
Sometimes I hope they tolerate him just so they can use it as a chip in negotiations, i.e. get bandera the same treatment nazi symbols got in post ww2 germany. People with sins shouldn't have statues, even if in some periods of time they did or had to do something good.
My aunt had to spend years in the political prison of Goli Otok in the 70s because she stood up against Tito's dictatorship. Tito was jailing any kind of opposition there.
His massive loans helped the country's wellbeing for a while, but the centralized power of his regime directly lead to the political chaos after his death, the wars in the region and the bloody falling apart of Yugoslavia.
People blindly look at him with naive nostalgia because whilst his power they were living above standards of other communist nations - but lets call him what he was: a dictator, not a leader to be proud about.
People blindly look at him with naive nostalgia because whilst his power they were living above standards of other communist nations - but lets call him what he was: a dictator, not a leader to be proud about.
It's not blind. Many parts of Yugoslavia were in terrible condition after WW2 and not just because of the war. Low levels of literacy, easily preventable diseases running amok, serious lack of infrastructure.
It's hard to explain the scale of changes Tito implemented in just a few decades. To be fair, the starting position was awful, so anyone putting in a modicum of effort would have achieved similar results, but still.
Furthermore, the Yugoslav version of communism was quite a bit less extreme than the Soviet one.
During the Axis occupation of Yugoslavia (1941–1944), ethnic Germans collaborated with Nazi authorities, and units recruited heavily from ethnic Germans—like the 7th SS “Prinz Eugen” Division—committed extremely brutal actions in anti-Partisan warfare and against civilians.
The actions that took place by the the Anti-Fascist Council for the People’s Liberation of Yugoslavia, did indeed include the loss of civil rights, internment and forced labour, family separation, and in many cases (~11,500) individuals died in these camps.
However, genocide is a preposterous term. So much so that you cannot even find mention of this on Wikipedia. If you’d like to use the term “genocide”, I’d like you cite official documents or even statements my countries that term this specific period in history as a genocide. I’ll wait for that before elaborating further.
Did you read it? Or did you lose track of the topic?
InYugoslavia, the remaining Germans were not expelled;ethnic Germanvillages were turned into internment camps where over 50,000 perished from deliberate starvation and direct murders by Yugoslav guards.
The German Red Cross Search Service (Suchdienst) confirmed the deaths of 18,889 people during the expulsions from Czechoslovakia. (Violent deaths 5,556; Suicides 3,411; Deported 705; In camps 6,615; During the wartime flight 629; After wartime flight 1,481; Cause undetermined 379; Other misc. 73.)[122]
Wilfried Krallert, a scholar dealing with Balkan affairs since the 1930s when he was a Nazi Party member. During the war, he was an officer in the SS and was directly implicated in the plundering of cultural artifacts in eastern Europe. After the war, he was chosen to author the sections of the demographic report on the expulsions from Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia. The figure of 57,000 "unresolved cases" in Hungary is included in the figure of 2 million dead expellees, which is often cited in official German and historical literature.[117]
That's under "Hungary" section though. For Yugoslavia it says "A total of 166,970 ethnic Germans were interned, and 48,447 (29%) perished.[103] The camp system was shut down in March 1948." They died mostly from disease.
Ofc it happened. They don't teach it in schools, they don't mention it anywhere but we all know it did. It's not a genocide, but it definitely happened. By the guy that lost his head in the photo, same guy is considered to be the biggest butcher of his own nation. That's the way he operated, killing anyone that thought differently and was a threat in any way. He was specialized in killing nuns, priests and religious ppl also. Atm has a small number of followers in Croatia that are exactly like him. They talk about unity and tolerance but hate everyone and don't tolerate a thing.
Now you see how things work in Croatia. Especially in the last couple of months, antifascists have been denying all the atrocities that happened during Yugoslavia, exaggerating ones that happened during NDH. They have a thing for past and can't stop lying about and changing it in their favour. Unfortunately most of them exist only online and it's very hard to find such specimens irl. I'd love to meet some, legend says their face turns inside out and they turn to dust if you mention Homeland war to them. Not to worry my friend, they are the kind that likes to exterminate it self
Hungarians organised erasure of Croatian heritage, language and faith (as in only Hungarian speaking Church) in the Slavonia, Baranja, Vojvodina region also.
He didn’t deport Germans, he deported Germans that were supporting Nazi regime. There is a lot of German families in Slavonia, Vojvodina and Baranja that stayed in the country because they didn’t support Nazis. Otherwise, please explain all the German surnames in Slavonia region that Tito didn’t deport.
Hungarian pretending like they’re saints while they did worse things to my region that Tito ever did.
EDIT: I don’t like Tito, but Hungarians and Germans have no right to speak against him, there’s a reason he kicked them out.
It’s us Croats that have the right to speak against Tito.
To add a famous quote, because you Hungarians keep complaining about Tito deporting you:
“The famous quote associated with Ban Josip Jelačić and the Danube comes from his tense negotiations with Hungarian leader Lajos Batthyány in 1848, where after Batthyány said, "see you on the Drava," Jelačić retorted, "say rather on the Danube," signifying his military intent to push into Hungary and challenge them at the river boundary”
This truly is the worst thing his regime did and there's no excuse for it. But it's also something that was being done throughout Europe, with the blessing of some of the "Good Guys" like Churchill, Truman, etc. It was also done by liberal democracies like Czechoslovakia under Beneš.
My aunt had to spend years in the political prison of Goli Otok in the 70s because she stood up against Tito's dictatorship. Tito was jailing any kind of opposition there.
"Standing up to Tito's dictatorship" in the 1970s usually meant being a nationalist ghoul. 1976 wasn't 1946.
but the centralized power of his regime
Socialist Yugoslavia was getting progressively decentralized since around 1950. It was essentially a confederation by 1974.
But Tito did fight for Austria-Hungary and was deployed against Serbian forces (which also included many "Yugoslavs") briefly before being sent to the Russian front.
Millions of Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks as well as hundreds of Serbs fought for Austria-Hungary in WW1 alongside Hungarians and Austrians against Serbia. Despite that Croats, Bosniaks or Slovenes were never seen as enemies of the state in Yugoslavia, unlike the Hungarians and Germans who were deported in large numbers from their ancestral homes, despite the fact that many Hungarians and some Germans served in the Partisans.
Oh right, buddy, I always forget that random people on the internet know much more about my family's history than me. How foolish of me... sigh
He was just a simple 60 years old tailor minding his own business who's family was harassed by the Hungarian and German occupators too, as he had a Serbian wife. That still didn't save him from the persecutions as Hungarians, but especially Swabians were collectively blamed by Tito whether they were fighting or not, so they were singled out and taken away even from mixed families.
But his son, my grandfather, was indeed involved in the war. He fought in Italy on the side of the partisans, came home to the news about his father being executed, and surely, he become to hate Tito with passion during his whole life. And as I mentioned before, his jailed sister was also an active member of the opposition during Tito's regime for the very same reasons.
People had complicated and entagled lives those days, especially in Vojvodina which was always a very arduous region. Learn it's history since you live there.
Comical? Surely, the genocide on Swabians and Hungarians carried out by Tito is absolutely hilarious!
Tito's partisans certainly didn't operated on the same level as the Soviets or the Chinese, but that doesn't excuse them at all from the atrocities they have commited after WWII.
Who the flying fuck cares about the scale? Systematic externination of people isn't something we should keep score tables of.
Careful you don't spend too much time arguing with influence accounts and morons. Some powers are investing a lot of time and money stoking passions of "the good ole' days" in Eastern Europe as of late. It's sickening to watch ignorant young men champion for things that their own parents suffered directly under.
Thank you, oh wise American, for reminding us how our parents "suffered". I'm sure there's no reason why a lot of people look back with nostalgia at a time when blue-collar workers could get apartments from their companies, could afford vacations, and were actually consulted about working conditions.
There was no genocide of Hungarians in Yugoslavia dude, be real. You obviously know what happened to the Germans, so how can you compare that to Hungarians?
When I think of Tito, I always think about the Italian stalinist communists from Monfalcone and other northeastern areas that, disappointed by the fact that northeastern Italy wasn't annexed by the Yugoslav regime, emigrated there believing they would find workers' paradise. Only for Tito to immediately ideologically break up with Stalin and send all these Italians to endure torture in the Goli Otok concentration camp.
If it was not for the communist Slovenian would be one of those endagered languages that nobody who is younger than 60 speaks becose of domination of Italy Germany and even Hungary
Tito was not perfect but he did a lof of good for Slovenians like giving them a coast and they should respect that
Slovene was on the same path under Yugoslavia and still is. Where immigrants that don't put in the effort to learn it are tolerated and they even want to have a minority status.
I get why a Slovenian would not be in love in Yugoslavia since Yugoslavia meant lack of independence for Slovenia but there was no effort to assimalete Slovenians into Serbians especialy during socialism
Meanwhile the main Roma suspect from the murder that happened a bit over a month ago in Novo Mesto, is being released. Rule of law or sth similar... Fcking Bananistan
The guy who beheaded a statue gets 8 years in prison while the person of a certain ethnicity who murdered a local waiter by soccer kicking him in the head in front of like 100 witnesses was set free since the judge ruled the testimonies inconclusive. God bless the Slovenian justice system
Tito was actually fairly competent while also being a horrible person, it's commonly accepted that he was basically the only thing keeping Yugoslavia together. As himself, he was the major factor for Yugoslavia's stability, but also there wasn't a lot that kept the country together besides himself.
There's stories of how he evaded assassinations and all of that stuff. Definitely responsible for some atrocities though.
I don’t think Tito started ww2 and killed as many people as hitler in concentration camps, I know he had beef with Stalin and some of the cool moments. Would you say oda nobunaga was like Abraham Lincoln?
Looks kinda cool, not gonna lie. He also beheaded a dictators statue. I think we should look at Latvia and how it's dealing with it's commie statues. Wish that my country would be like that.
America has been spreading propaganda about Marshall Tito and demonising him like they do all their enemies. Maybe this guy was influenced by this propaganda but glad that statue has been fixed it was thanks to him & the partizans that the Balkans was cleared of Nazis, today's politicians are in many ways fascists who despise communism & socialism. To all you people who will downvote me what I say is true oh and Pres Assad rocks another leader demonised by the Western lying media, history will have the final say not upset Redditors.
Going through the comments here i dont understand what people are looking on r/yurop. An ethnically closed state is being romanticised that stands contrary to what the EU stands for. All the eternal yesterdays that most probably never had to live in this regime. Look at videos how the young pioniri marched. It looks like north korea, collective delusion and manufactured consent. Disgusting
Yeah Germans and Hungarians didn't get off great, but that is usually the case after one nation tries to genocide another, it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia itself. German speakers weren't having a great time even in Britain, which wasn't occupied.
I also didn't mean more mixed in the fact that like there were more Serbs in Croatia, I meant that Yugoslavia had more migrants from other communist and non-aligned nations.
"the german collaborators of the nazis weren't having a great time when the communists liberated themselves and decided that nazi collaborators should be socially excluded and face severe difficulties and also get prison time"
im sure you can mend a huge trauma like that (the nazis were insanely brutal in the balkans, skinning people alive etc) by just saying "epic wholesome chungus 100 star wars civility liberty" etc, and im sure throwing the "that's racist" card on a subject almost 100 years ago that was insanely brutal will also fix it
no yugoslavia was an ethnically closed state (with 3 nationalities but whatever), (probably) american user deusexkrapina that knows the balkans like the back of his hand tells you so serbian man, sit down and listen
it doesn't matter that a lot of people from the surrounding countries went to yugoslavia to study at the universities (that were considered top for the area), it was like a berlin wall but 100 times more
How do you even decapitate a statue without anyone noticing?
He did it overnight.
Just like Bart Simpson
That was just cloud talk man...
Simpsons did it!
Yeah but it's a 10m statue, he needed power tools and there are buildings around so how tf nobody noticed a noisy guy with the big clunking ladder and an angle grinder that produces literally rock concert noise levels (90-115db). Head must have made noise when it fell. I'm actually inclined to believe that story that it was organized.
He used a wire saw over multiple days. Just an unemployed 49yo with a mission, no power tools required.
That's Zen levels of patience for a Balkan person, ngl.
He is Slovenian, though.
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
Žižek is a treasure 🤣
Yes, and?
They're more Alpine people than Balkan people. Think of them being more like the Swiss or the Austrians than like the Serbs or Greeks. Hence maybe the patience to carefully saw off a statue's head over several days than bash it off with a sledgehammer.
there's soooo many Serbs living in Slovenia though...
Yeah, about 2%.
It’s bronze. Any tweaker would have that off with a sawzall in a few minutes.
You’re overestimating how security works in reality
ladder owner's privilege!
Electric bandsaw those things are super quiet (yes it might not fit)
I don't know, but it happens now and then even with fully non-political statues. Someone stole a head of Carl von Linné (aka Linnaeus) in a town here a few years ago.
Maybe they were pissed of with nomenclature standarts of plants while making an herbarium
Reasonable.
Either that or they loved it so much they wanted the head in their green house.
Yeah the little mermaid statue was famously beheaded once.
Twice actually!
Was he handsome? Maybe wanted a pretty face to sleep with at night.
No. He wanted to destroy the statue, so the municipality would give in to changing statues renaming the square after miners instead of a former dictator. There was an initiative to do that a few months back, but the mayor shut it down. I guess the man just wanted to get things done.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Linn%C3%A9 well... I'm sure to some people?
You must enlist the services of a burly Asian man in a suit who can do the funniest shit ever by throwing his bowler hat
The actor that played him is in prison for violently raping someone in 1990.
The guy who played OddJob died in 1982 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Sakata
I did it silently and during the night.
I think the first thing we all noticed was that it had no head?
As if you've never watched The Simpsons intro
Since he got caught I suppose you can't?
i swear i used to hear a case about stuff like this happening about once per month in my country (lots of statues in rural or small villages) and lots of "money washing" statues which local admins pay overpriced prices and are useless for that community..
people do it for their funsies... or vandalizing as protest
They did notice how do you think they got him
If what OP wrote is true, he bragged about it online.
I know the guy who did it I also live in city. Someone saw him loading the head (which was for some reason pretty far from the actual statue, there are way better places to park car and load it 💀) and called cops. They got him not far from my place not long after he did it. He was posting some funny shit online but it wasnt the reason they got him
In Velenje, Slovenia, a 49-year-old local man beheaded the large bronze Josip Broz Tito statue on Tito Square, loaded the head into the trunk of his Škoda — which was driving around with two different Croatian license plates — and then bragged about it online. Police arrested him soon after and found the bronze head in his car.
The suspect, Miroslav Pačnik, is now charged with damaging cultural heritage, a crime that can carry up to eight years in prison under Slovenian law, and the Velenje city authorities plan to file a damage claim to cover repair costs. Many people online are pointing out that Slovenian courts often hand down much lighter punishments in practice, so he could end up serving only a few months — if any actual prison time at all — depending on how things play out.
Meanwhile, welders have already reattached Tito’s head, and the statue is being fully restored.
After the arrest, Velenje’s mayor, Peter Dermol, condemned the act and described the suspect as “an unbalanced person with an unbalanced background,” which the suspect’s lawyer, Franci Matoz, has called offensive and inappropriate. Matoz is now demanding a formal public apology and has said he will take the mayor to court if the apology is not issued.
Here’s where it gets political: Pačnik’s lawyer is Franci Matoz, a high-profile attorney who has long represented Janez Janša, the three-time former prime minister of Slovenia and current leader of the opposition, and has been closely involved with Janša’s Slovene Democratic Party (SDS). Because of this, many are speculating that the act and Matoz’s aggressive legal defence may not be just random vandalism, but a carefully planned move being used by SDS to drag debates about WWII, communism, and historical symbols back into the public arena just a few months before Slovenia’s general elections, feeding wider political culture wars.
The mayor of Velenje, Peter Dermol, has pushed back hard, called the act unacceptable, and refuses to retract his criticism, rejecting calls for any apology to the suspect.
How to get a statue of Tito restored to original standard. Cut his head of. Step 2. Statue getting fully restored. Defense in court. I thought the statue could use a polish.
No, he was Slovenian, not Polish!
He definitely wasn’t Slovenian 😂😂😂
On a serious note, either Yugoslav or Croat would be correct
His mother was proud Slovenian but i agree he always said he is yugoslovanian
I love intrigue and political games. Although, illegal acts and vandalism are of course bad, and undermine public trust.
Not surprised he had Croatian license plates. Figured before reading the article Slovenians aren’t petty enough to do such a thing. I’m surprised the Croat didn’t replace the head with hitlers head or Pavelic.
49-year-old local man
Nice xenophobia, though
Sounds like he was framed to me.
The Simpsons did it! The Simpsons did it!
I didn't do it
"Damn it, what didn't Diddy do?!"
r/simpsonsdidit
“Fallout grows AHEAD of of elections” I see what you did there.
Ex Yugoslavia news? Let me grab popcorns.
Let me guess.
Elections are due next Spring, and SDS ratings are on the decline?
They have a constant 20-25% of the population. They are doing fine, nothing special, but not declining either. It's more like there is no alternative to vote for, since our political parties are all a bunch of idiots, to say the least. People don't go vote at all, and that's how he usually wins every few years.
I wish Greens would get their shit together after so many years, but they are nonexistent still.
Since you're complaining about political parties: Have you joined one or are you a lazy person who just complains but never actually does something himself for things to change?
This is such a tremendously stupid affair. Dude is a vandal, deal with him and move on... would be a normal thing to say if we lived in a normal country. But right now, the atmosphere is really bad because our distrust in institutions, especially judges, have never been higher/
8 years for vandalism?
It's up to 8 years because it's a protected cultural monument.
Yeah ok, so I assume the "up to" carries a lot of weight here.
he will get 5 months max, maybe nothing at all
Meanwhile you can kill a guy and if you're a roma, you get a jail free card.
Amazing
He's on probation because there is reasonable doubt he didn't do it, but go ahead, spread some more disinfo.
Why do they still have a statue of Tito?
To give you more context from someone local to the area. Tito is a good example of the saying "Great men are rarely good men."
Despite his flaws he is still seen in a very positive light due to his leadership in WW2 and after. Yugoslavia enjoyed relative stability and prosperity under him. His defiance of Stalin as well as his co-founding of the non aligned movement earned him and Yugoslavia a lot of respect in the World (Yugoslavias passport was for a while considered the most valuable passport in the World).
People are aware aware he wasn't a good man due to a lot of reasons and it's why his legacy is a lot more nuanced than just "He was a dictator why do people like him?" Things like Goli Otok are well known here as well as stuff like the secret police but he still has an overall positive legacy.
Finally this statue is actually of big historical significance and a source of pride for the city of Velenje. This city was just a small village for most of it's history but after WW2 in the 1950s with help from the government and lead by Tito the city rapidly expanded and industrialized "officially opening" as a city in 1959 after development plans were done. Just like the local mine this is a source of pride for a lot of locals here and the city for a time was even known as Titovo Velenje (literally just Tito's Velenje). The city itself is pretty much an example of what Tito hoped for Yugoslavia to be as it's a mix of many different peoples and cultures (many Bosnians, Serbs and even Albanian/Kosovar people live here) collectively working together.
His legacy is very complex in this part of the World and no one will say he was perfect or even argue he was a good man but he did a lot of positive things for his people and it's why he still has a statue.
But not just that. He was a freedom fighter against German forces in WW2. People do not take seriously that fight of Yugoslav partisans which was substantial and had temporary liberated areas.
In Belgrade, in House of Flowers (where his grave is) there is still that map showing that virtually all countries in the world sent their official delegations to commemorate his funeral. How many politicians managed to achieve that level of respect?
I am not a fan of Socialism or Communism and I am againstthose, but his legacy is not trivial and I always acknowledge his deeds. Wast majority of people in his shoes would do much worse for the people.
Thank you, in e reddit full of vibes based half informed opinions I live for posts like this.
Edit: lol this comment chain is full of whataboutism.
I mean, there’s a whole lot of leaders who are now considered great who did stuff like that. Tito‘s just a lot more recent.
Churchill? Napoleon? FDR and literally any post-FDR American president?
I mean yeah, "whataboutism" is a valid argument if you're saying one person was evil, but another was good, even though they both did similar things.
The world is complex mang
This is also true of Barack Obama btw
Chances are that any usa president has more war crimes under their belt than Tito.
And unlike them, Tito was actually in the trenches, fighting the fight, while they are ordering drone strikes from another continent entirely.
But if the US does it, they consider it cute
Not only that - if western countries do it, they pretend it didn't happen.
People here are unironically talking about Yugoslavia's secret police. At the same time, CIA was happily conducting experiments on black population in USA, was bombing it's own people and was also creating a drug epidemic that is still fucking them over, to this day.
They are calling out Tito for assassinations of political dissidents that were working on breaking up his country.
At the same time, britain's intelligence agencies were involved with multiple killings in northern ireland, and both them and france were perfectly happy with sanctioning entire wars in other countries entirely, so that they could protect the interests of an oil company.
But sure, Tito was the only world leader with a list of crimes at that time.
You forgot to add MOSAD.
They are it's own can of worms
You know OP isn't talking about drone strikes or war crimes when he's mentioning Tito's authoritarianism, right?
This comment chain is specifically about "having people persecuted and killed in gruesome ways".
As far as authoritarianism in Yugoslavia goes, entire books could have been written about it, because it was more or less a mixed system, that was incredibly restricting in some areas, while also giving general citizens more choice than they currently have.
Yes, Tito was president for life, and there was just one party. To be in the party at all, you had to have a clean history, and some behaviours, like being openly religious, were not tolerated if you wanted to be a politician. That was reprehensible, and it was going directly against religious freedom.
At the same time, elections were still held, with multiple people running for the position, and a winner often wasn't the candidate that was favoured by the party.
People also had more elections to vote in - there were company held elections, you could also vote for specific issues and projects when it came to city and urban planning. That kind of direct participation is something that we've seen only recently appearing after in Europe a heavy push, and ex Yugoslav countries had that decades ago, and then mostly lost it after the fall of Yugoslavia.
Multi party system is an improvement, but it's sad that we've lost the direct participation aspect of living in a democracy.
That is pretty much every leader leading in turbulent times ever.
Especially near WW:II.
As a Pole, Tito reminds me a bit of Piłsudzki.
Yes, pretty much exactly. He led his country to political, cultural and economic stability, but also did some very bad things. So overall it's more complex than him being a 'good' or 'bad' leader
Every diverse country that has ever existed has had to be ruled with an iron fist, because when the populace don't naturally have a consensus the only way to create stability is for the leader to create a consensus themselves. Every other type of system in those countries is doomed to fail. Democracy turns into mob rule in such nations, or a power-sharing system like Lebanon results in a failed state incapable of governing itself.
The only workable alternative, breaking up into billions of different countries is great for the regional and global powers, as small divided nations are much easier to control. The former Yugoslav states are fortunate that the EU is a relatively benevolent power, but Tito was dealing with a very different situation. If they each had to fend for themselves after WW2 they would have been absolutely screwed.
Not every country can be as inbred as Iceland, so this is simply a fact of life that isn't going to go away. The more diverse a country is, the more fractious its society is and the greater level of control a Government has to exert in order to maintain the monopoly on legitimate violence. It's a fundamental law of Governance that can only change if human nature ever changes.
If you have a better solution, let's hear it.
It does not have to be that way. Switzerland or Belgium are not ruled with an iron fist. Same goes for countries with different religious groups like the Netherlands or Germany.
What one needs is not a dictatorship but rather a well-educated, civil and democratic society which understands well that nationalism or sectarianism are idiotic and one has to constantly work against those undercurrents.
Ah I see, thanks for the answer :)
Thanks to Tito yugoslavia could free itself from Nazi-rule. The only country in Europe who did this by themselves and not through the soviets or americans.
Tito was basically the 3rd stubborn guy Stalin couldn’t take out without destroying his own political career (alongside Zhukov & Beria). As Tito famously once said in a letter to Stalin, after Stalin sent 3 separate assassins ‘Stop sending assassins, I’ve already captured 3 and if you send another I’ll send 1 to Moscow and won’t need to send another.’ -Josip Broz Tito
The “Big Three” allied forces were the Soviet, USA and UK. Added to them were smaller forces from other European countries and the British Commonwealth. For example, the main liberators of the Netherlands are the Canadians.
Albania too!
The Albanian partisans were literally united and organized by Tito...
He's half-slovenian, so there's that.
Because he was a great man. He navigated Yugoslavia through the cold war, keeping the Soviets out.
Was he a dictator? Yes. But there is a reason for this
As always you can't judge people by the standards of your own time, but only by the standards of their time. What he managed to do was an incredible achievement. He kept this part of the world together, mostly by his gravitas. (And of course some dictatorship style violence) And as soon as he died everything went down the tubes. Which only confirms that is was actually him keeping things together.
He liberated us from German and Italian occupation and ordered to build Velenje (the city where the “beheading” happened education). Obviously the partizans were at times unnecessarily cruel in the post-war period, however we literally wouldn’t exist how we do today without him.
Why not?
Because yugonostalgia is a religion for some, and they're incapable of coming to terms that the previous totalitarian regime is, unsurprisingly, not great.
It was not great, but best compromise you can get at given time and circumstances. If there wasn’t constant complaints and sabotage from Slovenia and Croatia, Yugoslavia would be best country in the world.
Lmao 🤣🤣
Same reason Bandera is a hero to Ukraine. He murdered people they hate.
Sometimes I hope they tolerate him just so they can use it as a chip in negotiations, i.e. get bandera the same treatment nazi symbols got in post ww2 germany. People with sins shouldn't have statues, even if in some periods of time they did or had to do something good.
We have statues of Tito in Macedonia as well. There is a also a high school in the capital Skopje named after him. Also Tito was half-Slovenian.
I grew up in Yugoslavia (or what was left of it), and I'd hate to see a statue of him anywhere.
He organized a systematic killing and deportation of around 150.000 Swabians and Hungarians from the Vojvodina region of Yugoslavia after WWII. My great-grandfather was shot in a mass grave because of his nationality, he didn't participated in the war at all.
My aunt had to spend years in the political prison of Goli Otok in the 70s because she stood up against Tito's dictatorship. Tito was jailing any kind of opposition there.
His massive loans helped the country's wellbeing for a while, but the centralized power of his regime directly lead to the political chaos after his death, the wars in the region and the bloody falling apart of Yugoslavia.
People blindly look at him with naive nostalgia because whilst his power they were living above standards of other communist nations - but lets call him what he was: a dictator, not a leader to be proud about.
It's not blind. Many parts of Yugoslavia were in terrible condition after WW2 and not just because of the war. Low levels of literacy, easily preventable diseases running amok, serious lack of infrastructure.
It's hard to explain the scale of changes Tito implemented in just a few decades. To be fair, the starting position was awful, so anyone putting in a modicum of effort would have achieved similar results, but still.
Furthermore, the Yugoslav version of communism was quite a bit less extreme than the Soviet one.
Some context for the people of Europe:
During the Axis occupation of Yugoslavia (1941–1944), ethnic Germans collaborated with Nazi authorities, and units recruited heavily from ethnic Germans—like the 7th SS “Prinz Eugen” Division—committed extremely brutal actions in anti-Partisan warfare and against civilians.
The actions that took place by the the Anti-Fascist Council for the People’s Liberation of Yugoslavia, did indeed include the loss of civil rights, internment and forced labour, family separation, and in many cases (~11,500) individuals died in these camps.
However, genocide is a preposterous term. So much so that you cannot even find mention of this on Wikipedia. If you’d like to use the term “genocide”, I’d like you cite official documents or even statements my countries that term this specific period in history as a genocide. I’ll wait for that before elaborating further.
You can if you aren't pretending to be a moron. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)
Germans were cleansed post WWII, denying this is absurd, and it's a crime against humanity just like any other ethnic cleansing.
Did you even read your linked article?
Stating this is absurd. Greetings from a German citizen.
Did you read it? Or did you lose track of the topic?
Yes, did you?
The German Red Cross Search Service (Suchdienst) confirmed the deaths of 18,889 people during the expulsions from Czechoslovakia. (Violent deaths 5,556; Suicides 3,411; Deported 705; In camps 6,615; During the wartime flight 629; After wartime flight 1,481; Cause undetermined 379; Other misc. 73.)[122]
Wilfried Krallert, a scholar dealing with Balkan affairs since the 1930s when he was a Nazi Party member. During the war, he was an officer in the SS and was directly implicated in the plundering of cultural artifacts in eastern Europe. After the war, he was chosen to author the sections of the demographic report on the expulsions from Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia. The figure of 57,000 "unresolved cases" in Hungary is included in the figure of 2 million dead expellees, which is often cited in official German and historical literature.[117]
That's under "Hungary" section though. For Yugoslavia it says "A total of 166,970 ethnic Germans were interned, and 48,447 (29%) perished.[103] The camp system was shut down in March 1948." They died mostly from disease.
Are we talking about Yugoslavia, or Czechoslovakia or Hungary?
Did you just confuse Yugoslavia with Czechoslovakia? That whole wall of text that you posted barely mentions Yugoslavia.
Are you denying that Germans were ethnically cleansed post WW2?
Ofc it happened. They don't teach it in schools, they don't mention it anywhere but we all know it did. It's not a genocide, but it definitely happened. By the guy that lost his head in the photo, same guy is considered to be the biggest butcher of his own nation. That's the way he operated, killing anyone that thought differently and was a threat in any way. He was specialized in killing nuns, priests and religious ppl also. Atm has a small number of followers in Croatia that are exactly like him. They talk about unity and tolerance but hate everyone and don't tolerate a thing. Now you see how things work in Croatia. Especially in the last couple of months, antifascists have been denying all the atrocities that happened during Yugoslavia, exaggerating ones that happened during NDH. They have a thing for past and can't stop lying about and changing it in their favour. Unfortunately most of them exist only online and it's very hard to find such specimens irl. I'd love to meet some, legend says their face turns inside out and they turn to dust if you mention Homeland war to them. Not to worry my friend, they are the kind that likes to exterminate it self
Hungarians organised erasure of Croatian heritage, language and faith (as in only Hungarian speaking Church) in the Slavonia, Baranja, Vojvodina region also.
He didn’t deport Germans, he deported Germans that were supporting Nazi regime. There is a lot of German families in Slavonia, Vojvodina and Baranja that stayed in the country because they didn’t support Nazis. Otherwise, please explain all the German surnames in Slavonia region that Tito didn’t deport.
Hungarian pretending like they’re saints while they did worse things to my region that Tito ever did.
EDIT: I don’t like Tito, but Hungarians and Germans have no right to speak against him, there’s a reason he kicked them out. It’s us Croats that have the right to speak against Tito.
To add a famous quote, because you Hungarians keep complaining about Tito deporting you:
“The famous quote associated with Ban Josip Jelačić and the Danube comes from his tense negotiations with Hungarian leader Lajos Batthyány in 1848, where after Batthyány said, "see you on the Drava," Jelačić retorted, "say rather on the Danube," signifying his military intent to push into Hungary and challenge them at the river boundary”
This truly is the worst thing his regime did and there's no excuse for it. But it's also something that was being done throughout Europe, with the blessing of some of the "Good Guys" like Churchill, Truman, etc. It was also done by liberal democracies like Czechoslovakia under Beneš.
"Standing up to Tito's dictatorship" in the 1970s usually meant being a nationalist ghoul. 1976 wasn't 1946.
Socialist Yugoslavia was getting progressively decentralized since around 1950. It was essentially a confederation by 1974.
Your grandfather was Ustaša (war criminal) and aunt was traitor, what else would you expect?
Leave Tito alone ..
I'm quite surprised he had a statue anywhere.
Really? Do you live in a hole?
I mean you are Hungarian. And your country (Austro-Hungary) killed millions of Yugoslavs during WW1.
Tito didn’t start WW1. It was the Austo-Hungary Monarch.
You should be mad at your leaders for starting the war.
But Tito did fight for Austria-Hungary and was deployed against Serbian forces (which also included many "Yugoslavs") briefly before being sent to the Russian front. Millions of Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks as well as hundreds of Serbs fought for Austria-Hungary in WW1 alongside Hungarians and Austrians against Serbia. Despite that Croats, Bosniaks or Slovenes were never seen as enemies of the state in Yugoslavia, unlike the Hungarians and Germans who were deported in large numbers from their ancestral homes, despite the fact that many Hungarians and some Germans served in the Partisans.
"He never participated in the war at all"
Sure thing buddy.
Oh right, buddy, I always forget that random people on the internet know much more about my family's history than me. How foolish of me... sigh
He was just a simple 60 years old tailor minding his own business who's family was harassed by the Hungarian and German occupators too, as he had a Serbian wife. That still didn't save him from the persecutions as Hungarians, but especially Swabians were collectively blamed by Tito whether they were fighting or not, so they were singled out and taken away even from mixed families.
But his son, my grandfather, was indeed involved in the war. He fought in Italy on the side of the partisans, came home to the news about his father being executed, and surely, he become to hate Tito with passion during his whole life. And as I mentioned before, his jailed sister was also an active member of the opposition during Tito's regime for the very same reasons.
People had complicated and entagled lives those days, especially in Vojvodina which was always a very arduous region. Learn it's history since you live there.
Buddy.
People are too often incapable of denouncing war crimes when committed by their side.
This literally, nothing more comical than people trying to paint the Yugoslav Partisans as some bestial commies similar to the Soviets or Chinese
Comical? Surely, the genocide on Swabians and Hungarians carried out by Tito is absolutely hilarious!
Tito's partisans certainly didn't operated on the same level as the Soviets or the Chinese, but that doesn't excuse them at all from the atrocities they have commited after WWII.
Who the flying fuck cares about the scale? Systematic externination of people isn't something we should keep score tables of.
Careful you don't spend too much time arguing with influence accounts and morons. Some powers are investing a lot of time and money stoking passions of "the good ole' days" in Eastern Europe as of late. It's sickening to watch ignorant young men champion for things that their own parents suffered directly under.
Thank you, oh wise American, for reminding us how our parents "suffered". I'm sure there's no reason why a lot of people look back with nostalgia at a time when blue-collar workers could get apartments from their companies, could afford vacations, and were actually consulted about working conditions.
Please shut up.
Yes, a system so strong and so stable that it collapsed into genocidal wars and economic stagnation... Catch a clue.
Well i don't even like the idea of Yugoslavia. But that doesn't mean i have to be a delusional nationalist and make up stuff about it.
You do realize that somethig like 6% of the parents think that the breakup of Yugoslavia benefited their country, while 77% think it harmed their country?
There was no genocide of Hungarians in Yugoslavia dude, be real. You obviously know what happened to the Germans, so how can you compare that to Hungarians?
Simpsons Already Did It
When I think of Tito, I always think about the Italian stalinist communists from Monfalcone and other northeastern areas that, disappointed by the fact that northeastern Italy wasn't annexed by the Yugoslav regime, emigrated there believing they would find workers' paradise. Only for Tito to immediately ideologically break up with Stalin and send all these Italians to endure torture in the Goli Otok concentration camp.
Since yesterday he has his head back again 😉
If it was not for the communist Slovenian would be one of those endagered languages that nobody who is younger than 60 speaks becose of domination of Italy Germany and even Hungary
Tito was not perfect but he did a lof of good for Slovenians like giving them a coast and they should respect that
Slovene was on the same path under Yugoslavia and still is. Where immigrants that don't put in the effort to learn it are tolerated and they even want to have a minority status.
I get why a Slovenian would not be in love in Yugoslavia since Yugoslavia meant lack of independence for Slovenia but there was no effort to assimalete Slovenians into Serbians especialy during socialism
Wow, what a surprise that this guy is a Serb...
If it was not for the victory of the anti fashist Serbians Slovenians Romanis and Jews would get the worst treatment among the people of Yugoslavia
Croatians Bosniaks and Albanians would be the ones doing the opresion
Montenegro would be a puppet of Italy and Macedonia would be part of Bulgaria
This the good way, not cancel culture!
I mean, it makes clearer that wasn't that good, but also not forget they existed.
Uz Maršala Tita!
They should put a statue for the guy
Tito Broz
Dobar skroz!
Meanwhile the main Roma suspect from the murder that happened a bit over a month ago in Novo Mesto, is being released. Rule of law or sth similar... Fcking Bananistan
Not gonna lie.. The statue looks better without it's head.
fascists are jubilating
Sic! Semper...
"grows ahead" I see what they did there.
"grows ahead"
The guy who beheaded a statue gets 8 years in prison while the person of a certain ethnicity who murdered a local waiter by soccer kicking him in the head in front of like 100 witnesses was set free since the judge ruled the testimonies inconclusive. God bless the Slovenian justice system
😤✋ Josip Broz Tito
☺️👉Brozipher Tito
...I'm honestly just impressed someone managed that
“ahead”
Ahead of elections
This guy handmade the best vodka
That’s just a statue of Headless Josip.
Imagine someone behead statue of Hitler in Germany if one exists, Tito was a dictator.
1670: Marsz Równości
Wait - Tito was local dictator. People think highly of him over there?
I know almost nothing about Yugoslavia and the country’s it split into but marshal Tito was badass
Tito was actually fairly competent while also being a horrible person, it's commonly accepted that he was basically the only thing keeping Yugoslavia together. As himself, he was the major factor for Yugoslavia's stability, but also there wasn't a lot that kept the country together besides himself.
There's stories of how he evaded assassinations and all of that stuff. Definitely responsible for some atrocities though.
Horrible horrible person.
It's easy to be remembered as a good leader when you die before all your bad decisions catch up to you, so the next guy can take all the blame.
Strange how people stan some ethnic cleansers and hate others.
I mean, it's yugoslavia. You can blame a yugoslav for ethnic cleansing as much as you can blame the grass for growing.
Ethnic cleansing to against germans or Russians😍😍😍😍😍😍 Ethnic cleansing by Geramns or Russians 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Ethnic cleansing is not badass
Would you say he is more badass than Hitler or less?
I don’t think Tito started ww2 and killed as many people as hitler in concentration camps, I know he had beef with Stalin and some of the cool moments. Would you say oda nobunaga was like Abraham Lincoln?
Well, he definitely improved the statue!
Was it a lightheaded statue?
Looks kinda cool, not gonna lie. He also beheaded a dictators statue. I think we should look at Latvia and how it's dealing with it's commie statues. Wish that my country would be like that.
Then you have zero respect for your culture and history.
Eight years in prison for such an ugly statue
Fuck tito.
Based ngl
Looks perfect as a public toilet now!
Shameful
Worth it
Valid
Respect
America has been spreading propaganda about Marshall Tito and demonising him like they do all their enemies. Maybe this guy was influenced by this propaganda but glad that statue has been fixed it was thanks to him & the partizans that the Balkans was cleared of Nazis, today's politicians are in many ways fascists who despise communism & socialism. To all you people who will downvote me what I say is true oh and Pres Assad rocks another leader demonised by the Western lying media, history will have the final say not upset Redditors.
And nothing of value was lost. Cheers to the beheader.
What does Nazi collaborator know about Tito 🫣
Going through the comments here i dont understand what people are looking on r/yurop. An ethnically closed state is being romanticised that stands contrary to what the EU stands for. All the eternal yesterdays that most probably never had to live in this regime. Look at videos how the young pioniri marched. It looks like north korea, collective delusion and manufactured consent. Disgusting
Lol
One big difference between Yugoslavia and North Korea was that... you could just leave Yugoslavia legally.
Ethnically closed state, Yugoslavia? What are you talking about man? Yugoslavia was more than or as mixed as all of its successors, we were communist
Nomen est omen. Yugoslav per se is an ethnic term. Didn't want to be a german speaker back then
Yeah Germans and Hungarians didn't get off great, but that is usually the case after one nation tries to genocide another, it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia itself. German speakers weren't having a great time even in Britain, which wasn't occupied.
I also didn't mean more mixed in the fact that like there were more Serbs in Croatia, I meant that Yugoslavia had more migrants from other communist and non-aligned nations.
"the german collaborators of the nazis weren't having a great time when the communists liberated themselves and decided that nazi collaborators should be socially excluded and face severe difficulties and also get prison time"
im sure you can mend a huge trauma like that (the nazis were insanely brutal in the balkans, skinning people alive etc) by just saying "epic wholesome chungus 100 star wars civility liberty" etc, and im sure throwing the "that's racist" card on a subject almost 100 years ago that was insanely brutal will also fix it
some people are just delusional...
no yugoslavia was an ethnically closed state (with 3 nationalities but whatever), (probably) american user deusexkrapina that knows the balkans like the back of his hand tells you so serbian man, sit down and listen
it doesn't matter that a lot of people from the surrounding countries went to yugoslavia to study at the universities (that were considered top for the area), it was like a berlin wall but 100 times more
Y'all be doing Tito dirty like that? I mean look, dude wasn't a saint, no leader is.