Me too. It looks like she pivoted to getting a psych degree and being a therapist. But still has issues herself.
It’s either a genetic disorder (like Bipolar) or a disorder that came from abuse (Borderline) …OR BOTH.
The world needs to wake up to these things and understand the system needs to loosen up laws to force people to get help before it becomes a problem.
Nick Reiner,
Kanye,
Britney… all of their families tried to help.
At the moment, when someone does something like this all they can do is put them in a 30 day max psych hold.
But if the person shows they are not a danger to themselves or others, they can leave with a bottle of pills (that they usually won’t take) and a doc phone number (they never call)
And it doesn’t matter what the family says. The family could say “they are talking suicide every day, I’m scared!” If the person appears ok to docs and EMS from just a 5 min conversation, they are free to go.
It’s super tricky balancing freedom with mental health treatment, but there needs to be some better safety nets in place.
I agree with you largely but im suspicious of any humane treatment for involuntarily committed with our system being what it is and was. If the mental health treatment involved a mandatory 2-4 weeks of inpatient with individual, proven, effective, compassionate treatment with some autonomy after and not indefinite involuntary holds with only medication and subpar treatment, then this consideration would be different. It would be different if marginalized people didn't hold terribly prejudiced laws, treatment, and medical care/neglect in our living memory as well, especially Black Americans, non-white people, the poor and all women.
Charlie Sheen being committed wasn't in the popular conversation at all, and there's a reason for that. I understand the despair of not being able to get someone help who needs it, but without autonomy and trust in the system, there's no lasting change. That maximum 5-minute conversation is a sign of how inhumane our medical industrial complex is. The treatment has to be fixed before involuntary commitments are more allowed otherwise we're looking at abusers using that system to abuse and steal. Again. History repeats.
Involuntary commitment is all done in the standard hospitals now, so care is regulated like any other medical issue.
Most of the private places shut down in the 1970’s after Lithium was discovered in the 1950’s and most people could do outpatient treatment.
But it’s up to them to take the medicine, and that can be very difficult to do as people don’t think they need it and stop. (Kanye, Britney)
The private places that are left are pretty expensive as well.
What I’m proposing is stronger outpatient care after release… that when a patient is involuntarily held and treated because they are a danger to themselves or others, they are given stronger medicine to take there to stabilize them.
However upon release they still need to continue the medicine for months to truly stabilize them, and there is no one that can ensure they take their meds daily for full recovery.
The family can help to try to get them to do it, but most refuse their family and they relapse back. And the family can’t force it. It’s like dealing with a toddler in a temper tantrum sometimes.
If they had an outpatient team to come and do visits to watch them take their meds, then that is helpful. It’s either “take the meds or go back to the hospital” and that should go on for months.
After that, and the patient is of sound mind and body, they are on their own for the responsibility to take their meds for life.
The threat of returning to the hospital will still always be there if they stop the medications though the person is more lucid when making that decision, and later when they become sick enough for an involuntary stay again, they go back.
You’d be surprised how difficult it is to get an involuntary commitment as a family member.
If you call the police or EMS, many times the person will instantly “mask” it, and seem totally normal when they show up. The police will screen them, but if they are able to talk coherently and aren’t breaking any laws they can’t take them in.
And many are very good at masking. They can be very manipulative when they want to be. Even doctors get fooled all the time because they only see the person for like 30mins… whereas the family sees them nearly 24/7.
You probably be right, Thorazine was invented around the same time as Lithium’s discovery, and it appears to have gotten more traction.
Looks like Lithium is more widely used today for long term stability… (and now we have 2nd Gen meds too, thank heaven. Hopefully 3rd Gen will come around in our lifetime)
On a hold after an overdose, convinced them it was an accident ("yeah, I take a little more than I'm supposed to as a baseline, the VA doc said it was ok. Heh. Guess I forgot I took them earlier in the day, I can be a dumbass sometimes").
Walked out with every intention of doing it again.
Thanks for sharing friend. People don’t understand the struggles of the person experiencing it, or the loved ones trying to help.
Wishing you love and stability. ♥️
Here’s a helpful link. Not sure if you have BP, but this article is from an author that has BP and describes exactly what you are going through (and my lovely spouse).
If I can offer any help, it would be to listen to loved ones, call the doc with them, just get a temporary kick down med… be happy you staved off depression.
I have worked in mental health (inpatient, severe) for 25 years. We are FARRR away from what you are talking about and the swing to the opposite side of what you are talking about is exactly why commitment laws are so strict and ineffective. The bar for a commitment is so incredibly high now that I see client after client that clearly needs it end up with extremely negative outcomes because providers couldn't make it happen. That's mental health professionals. Who couldn't get a client committed. Because of how strict the laws are now.
There's a real crisis in the industry but it's absolutely not subpar treatment. It's massive over regulation of things like this with a higher and higher bar to providing treatment with less and less compensation for professionals and agencies. And the incredibly outdated idea that the mentally ill that are receiving treatment are somehow treated poorly (absolutely incorrect) is why. I could talk for hours about how the over reaction to what we were doing in the 70s and 80s now produces consistently worse outcomes for the mentally ill.
Agreed. It shouldn’t be easy. Then everyone would abuse it.
It’s not easy to do, very difficult even when the person needs it. They need to SHOW a danger to themselves or others to a 3rd party like police or EMS.
Otherwise the family needs to convince the person for voluntary. Which is even harder when the person thinks the rest of the world has lost touch with reality, not them.
Yep. I read about a spouse trying to get their partner who was in psychosis into involuntary… when the police came, they turned it around on the spouse and they went to the psych ward, for days.
People seriously underestimate how evil people abuse a system that empowers them, and how many people it will impact for years before it gets stopped. They tend to forget that police and doctors are human and enough of them are awful for it to be a real problem.
Police in my town just had a huge years-long scandal of abuse and crime uncovered, and the major health network here only recently fired a doctor who was falsely accusing people of munchausen’s and taking their kids (with the complicit help of cops and local government). This is only a couple years out from a “cash for kids” scandal where a judge was paid off to take kids from people too. Despite that, because people are idiots as expected, there’s a number of people in the area who still think that cops and doctors should just be able to commit whoever they want whenever they want.
It will always be strange how people complain about porn stars making money but never consider how those systems prey on the vulnerable, or how it impacts their health. No smoke for the production companies and OF managers but all the vitriol for the easily exploited underclass of young women that live with the physical, mental and social aftermath of pornography.
It's because of the flexing and the popularity it garners. And people are generally jealous. The people behind the curtain aren't visible so no one hates them. Or barely even knows they exist.
And the weird hangups and ideals people have about sex in general.
They don't even make that much. It's a very use and abuse system. They get a fee to shoot a scene yeah it could be a couple grand. Then that's it. They don't see anything from the studios for amount of views or downloads even if they are the ones driving traffic to said sites. It's why many go to OF because it at least pays the bills and they have more control and don't risk getting abused or assaulted in a shoot
I'm afraid to look at that video. I hope she gets the help she needs and finds a support system available with family and friends that love her and care. No one should have to go through that. I wish her the best in her mental health and future endeavors in life.
I'm not going to. I feel the internet has normalized viewing and hearing people at their lowest points. I want to try and respect her privacy during this difficult time.
Don't get me wrong, I have seen some horrific things, and I realize it's a double-edged sword. If it doesn't go viral the news media doesn't pick up on it and it doesn't come into awareness to be addressed. This is more for my mental health and it's a personal choice.
I saw her Instagram posts. I reported them for self harm. She was not looking good. She was saying it was her last post and that she loved her family. It was tragic. I hope the best for her.
Sometimes I think life in the porn industry can lead to unhealthy mental health outcomes. Then again I have known librarians who have had a mental health crisis.
It is certainly the case that the industry doesn’t take care of the mental health needs of its performers. There’s been a good number over the years that should never have been allowed in.
Yeah and sadly the industry doesn’t take care of them but the industry is so bad that the porn studios do tend to treat them better that’s why girls feel safe going that route.
Like a studio with money is more enticing than a pimp who keeps your money and beats you.
It’s all a sad reality. Catch 22 if you will. The industry sucks but the sex trade industry is already so bad that just showing the bare minimum gets praised.
You see same stuff with strip clubs. I can be a private dancer and risk getting assaulted or worse at some private event or house. Or I can dance at a club with security who kicks out the creeps and there are laws and rules about touching or being fully nude etc.
Strip clubs are still not nice places and do some messed up stuff to these workers. But it’s still safer than doing it yourself.
Now with only fans you can be self employed and be safe so it’s changed the industry up a lot.
We talked all about these issues in my human sexuality class when I was in college.
And strip clubs, porn studios, and OF managers prey on the young. They make promises, get them on drugs, put them in positions where consent is difficult and control their money and living situations before discarding them to an inhospitable world when they're no longer novel or easily controlled. Not enough hate for them getting rich off of others' labor and their unnecessary cruelty and too much hate for sex workers.
Maybe if people stopped treating it like some kind of evil, degenerate thing and started treating it as a job and a legitimate industry, people wouldn’t be dying.
“Why do pornstars keep dying?” “I dunno, maybe because society treats them like Lowe class citizens, spread misinformation about trafficking or abuse and ignore it when governments bully the industry.”
As someone who was in the industry, I have never felt so alone and so rejected by society than ever before.
She posted that a specific man in her life has abused her and the bloody photos are her proof. This can happen to anyone of any professional background.
Thank you. It is the worst pain I’ve known and my world has gone dark. A friend gave me a purpose to go on and a soft landing. She needs a caretaker and she has a house in the woods on southern Oregon coast. She’ll probably give me a life estate when she passes and there is a sizable insurance policy. Physically I’ll be ok, I’ll never recover mentally or emotionally. There is no moving on and I’m only 43.
It feels that way now, but this loss is so fresh. I also lost a partner to a very violent suicide. I was sure my life was over, too. I'll be honest, the trauma and despair were crippling and I spent nearly a year in bed. But life goes on, and it does get better in time. I promise.
The ten year anniversary of his death passed a few months ago, and I had a good cry over that, but it was honestly the first tears I've cried over it in years. Be gentle with yourself, take all the time you need, but make sure you are getting professional help to work through everything. So sorry for your loss.
I knew it would be an eventuality but he promised me we had more time, that he’d never leave. I asked for him to wait until he was 60, give me 12 more years.
We’ve both been through so much and the mental connection was magic. I plan on dying with our name. He was almost done with his tattoo suit, his artist is being kind enough to memorial tattoos and copy some of his.
I finished the skirt and posted the pictures hours before, he was taking a nap and safe, he was hungover. But yes, I was sewing that weekend and cannot begin to explain how much I regret it.
I don’t lie on Reddit, my stories are either relevant or I don’t comment and it’s not worth my time to make up stories. I’m trying to distract myself but I agree, I shouldn’t comment. Thank you.
So sorry to hear this. Bipolar, depression and suicidal ideation is so heart breaking as I’ve gone through that with loved ones myself. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. Sending you a big hug internet stranger. If you feel like ever chatting, venting or even just an online game of scrabble my inbox is always open.
As somebody in the industry, it’s complex. A lot of us end up in the industry because of some force that prevents us from working a “normal” job. Mental illness, physical health issues, addiction, personality disorders, etc. I myself started after having a mental breakdown and being unable to work and having to move back in with my family. However, lots of people have those same issues and work normal jobs.
Sometimes? I’d suggest most of the time. I’d also suggest there’s a high level of poor mental health that lead (or make it easier to coerce) people into that industry in the first place.
For real, let’s not be naive about this. Those DVD and early internet era pornstars were chewed up and spit out by that industry, and barely made anything. Imagine the horrors they went through just scraping by, and now they have to watch some of these girls barely flashing their 🐱 or banging their boyfriends in their own beds on Onlyfans and making millions. That has to be brutal.
Only a fraction of OF accounts make more than someone would working full-time on minimum wage. And those earning six figures is smaller still. Its more democratic than the old days for sure but average pay is still terrible considering what they are doing to earn it.
I get it but I’m specifically talking the household names like Jenna Haze, though someone mentioned she actually has gotten into producing and got paid. Still, I’m sure she paid much more of a physical and mental toll.
Well sometimes I think reddit fixates on certain industries to lament the tragedy of the profession, like game developers, and fails to acknowledge lots of people have hard lives. We will clutch our pearls over something like this and completely ignore your average blue collar worker sacrifices their body in their own way as well.
Ma’am this is a gossip forum, I don’t think it makes sense to generalize Reddit as a whole based off of one subreddit. I’m a teacher and the teacher subreddit talks about the mental health struggles that we face. Why would we focus on the struggles of a blue collar worker in an entertainment subreddit?
I struggled with mental health issues after jumping into help someone during a medical emergency. And my job isn’t supposed to be stressful at all.
Thankfully everyone turned out fine and we were able to joke about it after, but I kept beating myself up because I kept thinking “What if I hadn’t noticed anything and what if she had been alone” and nothing was making me feel better until I could see for myself that she was okay the following Monday.
I normally don’t struggle mental health wise but it put me into a weird mental funk afterwards. I am better now that it’s been a few weeks.
You'd be surprised how deeply stressful library can be these days! Especially because we are kinda like peoples moms, book cops, therapists, some of our staff is basically a roving crisis specialist who talks to people and helps them get resources they need and theres a high burnout in that role.
Mental health, and abusive pasts more often than not result in women entering the porn industry. The vast majority of them are survivors of some traumatic past.
I met her at the porn std clinic in the valley when we were both just starting out. Me as an escort, her in the film industry.
She was a cute & sweet little girl. I hope she is okay.
God damn, she was one of the very first adult stars I really got into back then. I’ve always hoped the best for her and anyone in the industry, it’s a way tougher job than most realize and I’ll never understand the hate these performers get for doing a job. Hope she can make a full recovery.
Psychiatry is a medical specialty. You cannot get a degree in it. At least not in the US.
An associates degree in psychology is usually a two year degree. Not considered a degree that is given by 4-year colleges. Its basically half of a 4 year degree and is superseded by the bachelors degree. The associates doesn't add anything to the bachelor's. People with a bachelor's degree don't usually distinguish it from their associates degree unless they are in different fields. They are additive.
A bachelor's degree in psychology is certainly a 4-year college degree, but doesn't qualify anyone to practice any sort of mental healthcare. That would require a doctorate and additional clinical training like a residency (to be a psychiatrist) or clinical psychology training (to be a psychologist).
The term therapist isn't protected in most states. Anyone can call themselves a therapist in these states. Lots of different protected professions provide "therapy", like counselors, social workers, marriage and family therapists, and psychologists. These terms, unlike the generic "therapist" term are usually protected.
I'm not diminishing her accomplishments. But they don't seem to mean what you are implying.
Whats your source for her having her own mental health practice? Methinks thats not the case or there is much more to the story.
I’d imagine she is like a wellness coach or spiritual counselor. Basically practicing “therapy” without a masters or doctorate. Obviously she is not a real psychiatrist.
Is this the whole industry? Filled with drug addicts, creepy and abusive men, and a host of medical problems to live with the rest of your life. Not including the host of other personal issues. Every time we hear any story about an adult film star it's either because their dead or some other tragic thing.
I used to work in the porn industry. Even back in the early 00’s there was a wide variety of people on the industry. Yes, it attracted more mentally ill or drug addicted people than most other professions, and there were creepy men, but it was by no means “everyone”, and that was back when being in porn was way more taboo and frowned upon than it is today.
Yes obviously not "everyone".... But statistically enough to make TMZ's holiday bingo card. The industry is sort of like a house party... Sure there's lots of normal people are just trying to make some money and live their life. But... a good majority of the guests are either high or creepy. You are who you surround yourself with. Years ago when I was regularly DJing at a strip club I can't tell you how many really nice dancers that I met(a few I'm still friends with) who hung out with there not so nice work peers and that's a wrap.
Every time we hear any story about an adult film star it's either because they’re dead or some other tragic thing.
Not to be a jerk, but what else do you expect the national media to cover when it comes to former adult film stars? I can’t imagine stories on them getting normal jobs or volunteering generate many clicks.
Why is it that when a handful of people in the industry have an issue, it’s the entire industry’s fault? No one ever talks about the people who are doing fine for themselves… shit, I never hear about Angela White having mental health crises
I don't know anyone in the porn industry but years ago I had a roommate who used to work at a strip club, she said everyone was on drugs, and the ones who weren't didn't last long. I can only imagine how much worse the porn industry is as a whole.
A good chunk that I knew minus a friend who stopped years ago try to stop but once they have a meth or a heroin drug habit they dance/perform simply to feed their habit. Once the problem is noticeable and your skin and bone and at the throws of addiction.... No one wants to work or can't find work anymore. Rinse and repeat for the chunk of those girls sadly
Well think of all the ones who live normal lives you don’t hear about because they’re living normal lives. Of course when you hear about them on TMZ it’s because something tragic happened.
IDK if her boyfriend was in the industry or not, and Jenna retired 10 years ago. It's possible that drugs could be permanently affecting their psychology in a negative way but we can't presume they're all on drugs, I think they don't all do as much drugs as everyone thinks.
I think really what happens sometimes with women after they get out of porn is they struggle to find someone who they feel loves them for who they are as a person and often their boyfriends treat them like shit because of their past and that's not the woman's fault, or sometimes the guy really does love them for who they are but they don't believe it, so they struggle with mental health issues.
We really only have one side of the story here, maybe she was having some kind of episode and the boyfriend just didn't know how to deal with it and decided to get away from her.
Jenna does seem like a sweetheart though so I just hope she ends up okay.
I seen her posts on Instagram moments after she posted them. It’s very worrying. I hope she gets all the help she needs and distances herself from the toxic people she was with.
I saw a Soft White Underbelly interview of a former adult industry talent manager. He became disillusioned and disturbed by what he saw. I don't want to watch any of it now. These are just broken people.
I saw her doing a guest appearance at a stripclub in Massachusetts around 2004 or so and she stuck a lollipop in her vag and then stuck it in my mouth. I was both disgusted and enamored. She's a treasure.
I hope she gets better soon.
Me too. It looks like she pivoted to getting a psych degree and being a therapist. But still has issues herself.
It’s either a genetic disorder (like Bipolar) or a disorder that came from abuse (Borderline) …OR BOTH.
The world needs to wake up to these things and understand the system needs to loosen up laws to force people to get help before it becomes a problem.
Nick Reiner, Kanye, Britney… all of their families tried to help.
At the moment, when someone does something like this all they can do is put them in a 30 day max psych hold.
But if the person shows they are not a danger to themselves or others, they can leave with a bottle of pills (that they usually won’t take) and a doc phone number (they never call)
And it doesn’t matter what the family says. The family could say “they are talking suicide every day, I’m scared!” If the person appears ok to docs and EMS from just a 5 min conversation, they are free to go.
It’s super tricky balancing freedom with mental health treatment, but there needs to be some better safety nets in place.
I agree with you largely but im suspicious of any humane treatment for involuntarily committed with our system being what it is and was. If the mental health treatment involved a mandatory 2-4 weeks of inpatient with individual, proven, effective, compassionate treatment with some autonomy after and not indefinite involuntary holds with only medication and subpar treatment, then this consideration would be different. It would be different if marginalized people didn't hold terribly prejudiced laws, treatment, and medical care/neglect in our living memory as well, especially Black Americans, non-white people, the poor and all women.
Charlie Sheen being committed wasn't in the popular conversation at all, and there's a reason for that. I understand the despair of not being able to get someone help who needs it, but without autonomy and trust in the system, there's no lasting change. That maximum 5-minute conversation is a sign of how inhumane our medical industrial complex is. The treatment has to be fixed before involuntary commitments are more allowed otherwise we're looking at abusers using that system to abuse and steal. Again. History repeats.
Involuntary commitment is all done in the standard hospitals now, so care is regulated like any other medical issue.
Most of the private places shut down in the 1970’s after Lithium was discovered in the 1950’s and most people could do outpatient treatment.
But it’s up to them to take the medicine, and that can be very difficult to do as people don’t think they need it and stop. (Kanye, Britney)
The private places that are left are pretty expensive as well.
What I’m proposing is stronger outpatient care after release… that when a patient is involuntarily held and treated because they are a danger to themselves or others, they are given stronger medicine to take there to stabilize them.
However upon release they still need to continue the medicine for months to truly stabilize them, and there is no one that can ensure they take their meds daily for full recovery.
The family can help to try to get them to do it, but most refuse their family and they relapse back. And the family can’t force it. It’s like dealing with a toddler in a temper tantrum sometimes.
If they had an outpatient team to come and do visits to watch them take their meds, then that is helpful. It’s either “take the meds or go back to the hospital” and that should go on for months.
After that, and the patient is of sound mind and body, they are on their own for the responsibility to take their meds for life.
The threat of returning to the hospital will still always be there if they stop the medications though the person is more lucid when making that decision, and later when they become sick enough for an involuntary stay again, they go back.
You’d be surprised how difficult it is to get an involuntary commitment as a family member.
If you call the police or EMS, many times the person will instantly “mask” it, and seem totally normal when they show up. The police will screen them, but if they are able to talk coherently and aren’t breaking any laws they can’t take them in.
And many are very good at masking. They can be very manipulative when they want to be. Even doctors get fooled all the time because they only see the person for like 30mins… whereas the family sees them nearly 24/7.
It was Thorazine, not lithium, that lead to the emptying of large mental hospitals and the justification to go toward community psychiatric care.
You probably be right, Thorazine was invented around the same time as Lithium’s discovery, and it appears to have gotten more traction.
Looks like Lithium is more widely used today for long term stability… (and now we have 2nd Gen meds too, thank heaven. Hopefully 3rd Gen will come around in our lifetime)
Thanks friend!
This was literally me.
On a hold after an overdose, convinced them it was an accident ("yeah, I take a little more than I'm supposed to as a baseline, the VA doc said it was ok. Heh. Guess I forgot I took them earlier in the day, I can be a dumbass sometimes").
Walked out with every intention of doing it again.
Thanks for sharing friend. People don’t understand the struggles of the person experiencing it, or the loved ones trying to help.
Wishing you love and stability. ♥️
Here’s a helpful link. Not sure if you have BP, but this article is from an author that has BP and describes exactly what you are going through (and my lovely spouse).
https://www.bphope.com/blog/the-siren-call-of-bipolar-mania/
If I can offer any help, it would be to listen to loved ones, call the doc with them, just get a temporary kick down med… be happy you staved off depression.
(I’m a mod in a BP family sub)
Happy holidays friend.
I have worked in mental health (inpatient, severe) for 25 years. We are FARRR away from what you are talking about and the swing to the opposite side of what you are talking about is exactly why commitment laws are so strict and ineffective. The bar for a commitment is so incredibly high now that I see client after client that clearly needs it end up with extremely negative outcomes because providers couldn't make it happen. That's mental health professionals. Who couldn't get a client committed. Because of how strict the laws are now.
There's a real crisis in the industry but it's absolutely not subpar treatment. It's massive over regulation of things like this with a higher and higher bar to providing treatment with less and less compensation for professionals and agencies. And the incredibly outdated idea that the mentally ill that are receiving treatment are somehow treated poorly (absolutely incorrect) is why. I could talk for hours about how the over reaction to what we were doing in the 70s and 80s now produces consistently worse outcomes for the mentally ill.
One of the hardest things to try to help someone with.
it shouldn’t be easy to take someone’s agency and liberty away.
Agreed. It shouldn’t be easy. Then everyone would abuse it.
It’s not easy to do, very difficult even when the person needs it. They need to SHOW a danger to themselves or others to a 3rd party like police or EMS.
Otherwise the family needs to convince the person for voluntary. Which is even harder when the person thinks the rest of the world has lost touch with reality, not them.
The problem is the standard of proof. You let police/EMS dictate it and you get the biggest fucking idiots in the world locking people up for nothing.
Yep. I read about a spouse trying to get their partner who was in psychosis into involuntary… when the police came, they turned it around on the spouse and they went to the psych ward, for days.
People seriously underestimate how evil people abuse a system that empowers them, and how many people it will impact for years before it gets stopped. They tend to forget that police and doctors are human and enough of them are awful for it to be a real problem.
Police in my town just had a huge years-long scandal of abuse and crime uncovered, and the major health network here only recently fired a doctor who was falsely accusing people of munchausen’s and taking their kids (with the complicit help of cops and local government). This is only a couple years out from a “cash for kids” scandal where a judge was paid off to take kids from people too. Despite that, because people are idiots as expected, there’s a number of people in the area who still think that cops and doctors should just be able to commit whoever they want whenever they want.
Yea it happens.
I had doctors abuse the power to take money from me when I needed my partner to care for my spouse. But they were just dumb.
britney was abused.
A lot of people going for psych degrees are trying to understand themselves
Jesus. I went to high school with her. She was so sweet back then.
She always seemed like a kind soul. I hope she's doing ok, it's a rough time of year and people can really struggle.
She’s a really smart lady, I see her tweets sometimes. The amount of bullying she receives online due to her past would break most normal people .
It will always be strange how people complain about porn stars making money but never consider how those systems prey on the vulnerable, or how it impacts their health. No smoke for the production companies and OF managers but all the vitriol for the easily exploited underclass of young women that live with the physical, mental and social aftermath of pornography.
It's because of the flexing and the popularity it garners. And people are generally jealous. The people behind the curtain aren't visible so no one hates them. Or barely even knows they exist.
And the weird hangups and ideals people have about sex in general.
They don't even make that much. It's a very use and abuse system. They get a fee to shoot a scene yeah it could be a couple grand. Then that's it. They don't see anything from the studios for amount of views or downloads even if they are the ones driving traffic to said sites. It's why many go to OF because it at least pays the bills and they have more control and don't risk getting abused or assaulted in a shoot
Or even worse. Jessie Saint and two other female performers were in 2020 not that far from being killed on set. By gangs. Because they were shooting in Compton. I'm not making this up. Here is the proof: https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/porn-stars-held-at-gunpoint-on-gamma-set-adulttimecom-readeremail-65140/
Or the hypocrisy of consuming it without hesitation or guilt.
Reach out to her. She will need support from friends. I wouldn’t be surprised that she’s lonely despite her status.
I don’t know who she is but is she not sweet anymore?
This is fucking terrible.
Yes I agree with you it's awful hopefully she will be okay The video of her crying is absolutely heartbreaking.
I'm afraid to look at that video. I hope she gets the help she needs and finds a support system available with family and friends that love her and care. No one should have to go through that. I wish her the best in her mental health and future endeavors in life.
Don’t look. It hurts.
I'm not going to. I feel the internet has normalized viewing and hearing people at their lowest points. I want to try and respect her privacy during this difficult time.
Don't get me wrong, I have seen some horrific things, and I realize it's a double-edged sword. If it doesn't go viral the news media doesn't pick up on it and it doesn't come into awareness to be addressed. This is more for my mental health and it's a personal choice.
Oh my God. Her IG Story is really difficult. I hope she gets the help she needs. I wish they would remove the story 😢
How haven’t they? She’s straight up naked in some of it
I saw her Instagram posts. I reported them for self harm. She was not looking good. She was saying it was her last post and that she loved her family. It was tragic. I hope the best for her.
She is set to be a part in Henry Zebrowski’s allegedly in the works UFO comedy
Yes I saw that interview. Unfortunately they didn't reach their funding goal to produce the film. I was excited for it too.
Henry said it’s getting done either way but only time will tell
Sometimes I think life in the porn industry can lead to unhealthy mental health outcomes. Then again I have known librarians who have had a mental health crisis.
It is certainly the case that the industry doesn’t take care of the mental health needs of its performers. There’s been a good number over the years that should never have been allowed in.
Yeah and sadly the industry doesn’t take care of them but the industry is so bad that the porn studios do tend to treat them better that’s why girls feel safe going that route.
Like a studio with money is more enticing than a pimp who keeps your money and beats you.
It’s all a sad reality. Catch 22 if you will. The industry sucks but the sex trade industry is already so bad that just showing the bare minimum gets praised.
You see same stuff with strip clubs. I can be a private dancer and risk getting assaulted or worse at some private event or house. Or I can dance at a club with security who kicks out the creeps and there are laws and rules about touching or being fully nude etc.
Strip clubs are still not nice places and do some messed up stuff to these workers. But it’s still safer than doing it yourself.
Now with only fans you can be self employed and be safe so it’s changed the industry up a lot.
We talked all about these issues in my human sexuality class when I was in college.
And strip clubs, porn studios, and OF managers prey on the young. They make promises, get them on drugs, put them in positions where consent is difficult and control their money and living situations before discarding them to an inhospitable world when they're no longer novel or easily controlled. Not enough hate for them getting rich off of others' labor and their unnecessary cruelty and too much hate for sex workers.
Maybe if people stopped treating it like some kind of evil, degenerate thing and started treating it as a job and a legitimate industry, people wouldn’t be dying.
“Why do pornstars keep dying?” “I dunno, maybe because society treats them like Lowe class citizens, spread misinformation about trafficking or abuse and ignore it when governments bully the industry.”
As someone who was in the industry, I have never felt so alone and so rejected by society than ever before.
All industries need it. The world needs it.
The problem in all industries when someone is applying for a job they don’t ask something like “Do you have Bipolar?”
Even if, she nested for help answered “yes”
neither does any industry really. You think Wholefoods or Amazon gives a fuck if your head is fucked up
I think it can be very enticing to ppl with existing problems too
Same with librarians
"I control the knowledge, you petulant abomination" - Me, as a Librarian glaring at a broccoli hair cut ask where section 6-7 is.
I read this initially praying it was an intro to an actual porno.
Porn directors: "WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN"
Are you the librarian from the show Hilda?
Punk ass book jockeys!
Ssshhhhhhh
You know.....
punk-ass book jockeys
She posted that a specific man in her life has abused her and the bloody photos are her proof. This can happen to anyone of any professional background.
And she had to be hospitalized right after? Suspicious timing. They should look into where the guy was when this happened.
I’m gonna go ahead and guess the number of sex workers having mental health crisis is significantly higher than librarians
Mentally ill people end up in porn. My husband was a famous porn star in the early 00’s. He killed himself in front of me on Sunday. Bipolar disorder.
Damn, I’m so sorry for your loss and what a horrible thing to witness. I hope you have support and space to safely process that trauma.
Thank you. It is the worst pain I’ve known and my world has gone dark. A friend gave me a purpose to go on and a soft landing. She needs a caretaker and she has a house in the woods on southern Oregon coast. She’ll probably give me a life estate when she passes and there is a sizable insurance policy. Physically I’ll be ok, I’ll never recover mentally or emotionally. There is no moving on and I’m only 43.
I hope the house in the woods is healing for you 🌲 wishing you some comfort and peace this season.
Thank you.
It feels that way now, but this loss is so fresh. I also lost a partner to a very violent suicide. I was sure my life was over, too. I'll be honest, the trauma and despair were crippling and I spent nearly a year in bed. But life goes on, and it does get better in time. I promise.
The ten year anniversary of his death passed a few months ago, and I had a good cry over that, but it was honestly the first tears I've cried over it in years. Be gentle with yourself, take all the time you need, but make sure you are getting professional help to work through everything. So sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I knew it would be an eventuality but he promised me we had more time, that he’d never leave. I asked for him to wait until he was 60, give me 12 more years.
We’ve both been through so much and the mental connection was magic. I plan on dying with our name. He was almost done with his tattoo suit, his artist is being kind enough to memorial tattoos and copy some of his.
Many hugs ,you are stronger than you realize
I'm so sorry
Like, this past Sunday?
Damn and youre still posting pics of your sewing on reddit the day after? Thats hard core.
I finished the skirt and posted the pictures hours before, he was taking a nap and safe, he was hungover. But yes, I was sewing that weekend and cannot begin to explain how much I regret it.
If thats actually true you should get off reddit entirely for a few days.
I don’t lie on Reddit, my stories are either relevant or I don’t comment and it’s not worth my time to make up stories. I’m trying to distract myself but I agree, I shouldn’t comment. Thank you.
So sorry to hear this. Bipolar, depression and suicidal ideation is so heart breaking as I’ve gone through that with loved ones myself. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. Sending you a big hug internet stranger. If you feel like ever chatting, venting or even just an online game of scrabble my inbox is always open.
Cal jammer did something similar to his wife (Jill Kelly)
That is so absolutely awful and I am so sorry for your loss. 😭
Who was he?
Is that your business?
Probably not, thought I'd ask anyway. Didn't mean to be rude, they don't have to answer
The average age at death of a person working in the porn industry like this is 34.
As somebody in the industry, it’s complex. A lot of us end up in the industry because of some force that prevents us from working a “normal” job. Mental illness, physical health issues, addiction, personality disorders, etc. I myself started after having a mental breakdown and being unable to work and having to move back in with my family. However, lots of people have those same issues and work normal jobs.
And then there’s the stigma when you try to re enter into civilian life by working a “normal” 9-5. You’re always expected to be the person on video
Librarianship is basically social work for people who just liked books
Sometimes? I’d suggest most of the time. I’d also suggest there’s a high level of poor mental health that lead (or make it easier to coerce) people into that industry in the first place.
I hope she gets the help she needs and deserves.
For real, let’s not be naive about this. Those DVD and early internet era pornstars were chewed up and spit out by that industry, and barely made anything. Imagine the horrors they went through just scraping by, and now they have to watch some of these girls barely flashing their 🐱 or banging their boyfriends in their own beds on Onlyfans and making millions. That has to be brutal.
You’re correct, but Jenna made more than others and went behind the scenes into production. She is one of the success stories of that era
Only a fraction of OF accounts make more than someone would working full-time on minimum wage. And those earning six figures is smaller still. Its more democratic than the old days for sure but average pay is still terrible considering what they are doing to earn it.
I get it but I’m specifically talking the household names like Jenna Haze, though someone mentioned she actually has gotten into producing and got paid. Still, I’m sure she paid much more of a physical and mental toll.
Is that a serious comparison…
Well sometimes I think reddit fixates on certain industries to lament the tragedy of the profession, like game developers, and fails to acknowledge lots of people have hard lives. We will clutch our pearls over something like this and completely ignore your average blue collar worker sacrifices their body in their own way as well.
Ma’am this is a gossip forum, I don’t think it makes sense to generalize Reddit as a whole based off of one subreddit. I’m a teacher and the teacher subreddit talks about the mental health struggles that we face. Why would we focus on the struggles of a blue collar worker in an entertainment subreddit?
I struggled with mental health issues after jumping into help someone during a medical emergency. And my job isn’t supposed to be stressful at all.
Thankfully everyone turned out fine and we were able to joke about it after, but I kept beating myself up because I kept thinking “What if I hadn’t noticed anything and what if she had been alone” and nothing was making me feel better until I could see for myself that she was okay the following Monday.
I normally don’t struggle mental health wise but it put me into a weird mental funk afterwards. I am better now that it’s been a few weeks.
It's a pretty typical dumb reddit comparison, lol. Confusing a statement about industry trends with anecdotal statement about specific people.
I dated a librarian who insisted on bringing her mother along to the third date even though I told her not to. She was in her 40s!
The librarian or her mother?
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Postal workers famously do though
It's presumptuous to assume that adult entertainers who suffer mental breakdowns are having them due to being adult entertainers.
Most are due to correlating factors, like pre-existing mental health issues, substance abuse, etc.
Just making it through the day is mentally taxing
You'd be surprised how deeply stressful library can be these days! Especially because we are kinda like peoples moms, book cops, therapists, some of our staff is basically a roving crisis specialist who talks to people and helps them get resources they need and theres a high burnout in that role.
Mental health, and abusive pasts more often than not result in women entering the porn industry. The vast majority of them are survivors of some traumatic past.
Maybe they were doing librarian porn
Are those industries not related? Most of the points I watch would suggest they are. /s
The same hot water that boils and egg, softens a potato
You never know how someone is going to react when their life may have some heat going on
lol yea dude. it’s rife with abuse. physical, emotional, drug, name it.
no hate on sex workers, but porn isn’t a thing most people go into because everything’s hunky dory either
What does this mean
I met her at the porn std clinic in the valley when we were both just starting out. Me as an escort, her in the film industry. She was a cute & sweet little girl. I hope she is okay.
The place that was on Ventura in Sherman oaks? I used to work right next to that place and would see all the adult stars going in there
Thought it was Van Nuys, but it sounds like that’s the one!
Good ole TTs. Hope she is ok.
This poor woman. I hope she makes it and gets the help she needs.
I hope she is ok. The mental pain must be unbearable. We wish you recovery.
God damn, she was one of the very first adult stars I really got into back then. I’ve always hoped the best for her and anyone in the industry, it’s a way tougher job than most realize and I’ll never understand the hate these performers get for doing a job. Hope she can make a full recovery.
Saw her interview on Last Podcast on the Left and she seemed like a sweet lady, insightful, and full of enthusiasm. I hope she heals from this.
She has two psychiatry degrees and has her own mental health practice.
Psychiatry degrees? So, doctorates?
Jenna Haze earned an associate degree in psychology in 2018 and a bachelor's degree in psychology with a minor in gender and women's studies in 2020
Hi. Doctor here who can clarify.
Psychiatry is a medical specialty. You cannot get a degree in it. At least not in the US.
An associates degree in psychology is usually a two year degree. Not considered a degree that is given by 4-year colleges. Its basically half of a 4 year degree and is superseded by the bachelors degree. The associates doesn't add anything to the bachelor's. People with a bachelor's degree don't usually distinguish it from their associates degree unless they are in different fields. They are additive.
A bachelor's degree in psychology is certainly a 4-year college degree, but doesn't qualify anyone to practice any sort of mental healthcare. That would require a doctorate and additional clinical training like a residency (to be a psychiatrist) or clinical psychology training (to be a psychologist).
The term therapist isn't protected in most states. Anyone can call themselves a therapist in these states. Lots of different protected professions provide "therapy", like counselors, social workers, marriage and family therapists, and psychologists. These terms, unlike the generic "therapist" term are usually protected.
I'm not diminishing her accomplishments. But they don't seem to mean what you are implying.
Whats your source for her having her own mental health practice? Methinks thats not the case or there is much more to the story.
Many people don't know the difference between psychiatry and psychology.
A psychiatrist is an MD (Medical Doctor) and can prescribe medicine.
A psychologist might be able to help with therapy of various kinds, but cannot (for example) prescribe anti-depressants or Ritalin, etc.
Anyone could own a mental health practice. Doesn't necessarily need to be a clinician. I don't know this situation, but that seems like a possibility.
Her interview on last podcast on the left
Yeah unless there's some independent verification of those details, I'm gonna assume some of that is wrong then.
Not taking anything away from her accomplishments, but those are not psychiatry degrees by a stretch.
Also not sure how she has her own practice with those degrees
I’d imagine she is like a wellness coach or spiritual counselor. Basically practicing “therapy” without a masters or doctorate. Obviously she is not a real psychiatrist.
That makes sense even a therapist requires a masters.
Psychiatrists are med school trained, psychologists are not.
She was on an episode of last podcast on the left like six months ago and talked about it
Did she mention how?
It's cuz it's all just BS she said on some podcasts. Here's a shocker. Drug addict, crazy porn lady likes to lie about her accomplishments.
Yeah that was my point
So one undergraduate psychology degree then
Best wishes to her. It’s a difficult season.
Jenna don’t even need to be getting bullied, she rarely did anything crazy 😭😭😭😭
Is this the whole industry? Filled with drug addicts, creepy and abusive men, and a host of medical problems to live with the rest of your life. Not including the host of other personal issues. Every time we hear any story about an adult film star it's either because their dead or some other tragic thing.
I used to work in the porn industry. Even back in the early 00’s there was a wide variety of people on the industry. Yes, it attracted more mentally ill or drug addicted people than most other professions, and there were creepy men, but it was by no means “everyone”, and that was back when being in porn was way more taboo and frowned upon than it is today.
Yes obviously not "everyone".... But statistically enough to make TMZ's holiday bingo card. The industry is sort of like a house party... Sure there's lots of normal people are just trying to make some money and live their life. But... a good majority of the guests are either high or creepy. You are who you surround yourself with. Years ago when I was regularly DJing at a strip club I can't tell you how many really nice dancers that I met(a few I'm still friends with) who hung out with there not so nice work peers and that's a wrap.
Not to be a jerk, but what else do you expect the national media to cover when it comes to former adult film stars? I can’t imagine stories on them getting normal jobs or volunteering generate many clicks.
You made me remember the news that Eva Angelina became a firefighter
And then came back to porn
There was a local news write up on a former star turned to a new life by marrying a pastor story.
I think she went back to the industry eventually. But she got a feel good news story write up.
Why is it that when a handful of people in the industry have an issue, it’s the entire industry’s fault? No one ever talks about the people who are doing fine for themselves… shit, I never hear about Angela White having mental health crises
I don't know anyone in the porn industry but years ago I had a roommate who used to work at a strip club, she said everyone was on drugs, and the ones who weren't didn't last long. I can only imagine how much worse the porn industry is as a whole.
A good chunk that I knew minus a friend who stopped years ago try to stop but once they have a meth or a heroin drug habit they dance/perform simply to feed their habit. Once the problem is noticeable and your skin and bone and at the throws of addiction.... No one wants to work or can't find work anymore. Rinse and repeat for the chunk of those girls sadly
Yep. My late friend that was in sexwork was addicted to heroin, ketamine, and whatever else.
What did you expect really?
Well think of all the ones who live normal lives you don’t hear about because they’re living normal lives. Of course when you hear about them on TMZ it’s because something tragic happened.
IDK if her boyfriend was in the industry or not, and Jenna retired 10 years ago. It's possible that drugs could be permanently affecting their psychology in a negative way but we can't presume they're all on drugs, I think they don't all do as much drugs as everyone thinks.
I think really what happens sometimes with women after they get out of porn is they struggle to find someone who they feel loves them for who they are as a person and often their boyfriends treat them like shit because of their past and that's not the woman's fault, or sometimes the guy really does love them for who they are but they don't believe it, so they struggle with mental health issues.
We really only have one side of the story here, maybe she was having some kind of episode and the boyfriend just didn't know how to deal with it and decided to get away from her.
Jenna does seem like a sweetheart though so I just hope she ends up okay.
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What a mess..... Could only make it thru half of the video
Hope she is doing okay.
Wishing her a speedy recovery. ❤️🩹.
I really hope she gets help. Those videos were disturbing.
Oh damn, I had no idea that was her on the cover of Deafheaven’s album. Awesome!
I seen her posts on Instagram moments after she posted them. It’s very worrying. I hope she gets all the help she needs and distances herself from the toxic people she was with.
She's one of my all time dream girls, hope she ends up ok
I saw a Soft White Underbelly interview of a former adult industry talent manager. He became disillusioned and disturbed by what he saw. I don't want to watch any of it now. These are just broken people.
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Read the room, man.
"A post about someone hospitalized? TIME TO USE MY EPIC EUPHORIC JOKE!"
Most empathetic redditor.
I saw her doing a guest appearance at a stripclub in Massachusetts around 2004 or so and she stuck a lollipop in her vag and then stuck it in my mouth. I was both disgusted and enamored. She's a treasure.