I'm so sick and disgusted any time I see anything like "WE ARE ADDING AI TO YOUR FAVORITE PRODUCT". I'm %100 anti-ai but I understand some people might still like to use it. But even if they do why is it everywhere? Udemy is probably gonna push AI as well since they used the word "AI" like 50 times in the mail they sent everyone. Firefox said they are going to be AI focused. Most Windows laptops have a f*cking dedicated AI button. There are universities priding themselves in being AI focused. Almost any AI startup gets millions and millions of dollars of investment.
What did we achieve as humanity? Seriously what is the entire point of this? People losing jobs, art losing its meaning, education getting 100 times worse and people getting dumber. And when someone understands this others come up and say "its progress and growth". I think this quote that I read somewhere really explains why that defense is bullshit.
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
The same applies to progress. Progressing just because it's progress and not because it benefits us in some way is the most stupid capitalistic idea I have ever seen. NO ONE will benefit from this in the long term except the ones at the top. Literal child traffickers are running the most powerful country in the world right now. They will not stop with AI if it will benefit their plans in some way. People will get way more stupid and control will become easier.
And all this happening as I'm in my early 20s, makes me really pessimistic about the future.
AI is really good at data mining. And companies loves data and collecting data.
And selling data.
And let it "leak"
When you tell the people this, they can only come up with an overly defensive "S-so..so what?" because they know the corpos have forbidden them to demand "Where's my cut of what I'm freely giving you to sell/trade?"
I feel the same way about apps, why does a restaurant or my bank need an app?
People who don't understand how tech works falling over themselves to be 'up to date' and 'in the know.'
I also wish more things worked through websites. But the explanation for this is the issue of data control. In the browser, websites have limited access to our data, but as an app they can insert the permissions and trackers they want.
banking apps are usefull tho
My guess is they are spending lots on Ai so they want us to use it so they can get our data and make up cost.
It seems to me that soon, maybe within a year or two, this AI balloon will burst badly in someone's hands.
So much money is spent on this. Even some countries are pushing this. Also with the defense industry potantial, I don't see AI going anywhere. Maybe it will slow down but will never pop imo.
"so much money is spent on this" and "will never pop" are mutually exclusive in this situation, especially when the thing the spending is exclusively on has existed since the early 2000s in the public domain and even today's flavor of it has no actual functionality or use-case for anyone not running a business into the ground or scamming people or selling individuals private and personal information.
This won't work out for scamtech bros.
Pls yes
Because “it’s the future broooo”
Also because companies are still being rewarded in the stock market for the amount of times they say AI and have it as a feature, or promise to have it. It’s all about $$$ for
The US economy depends on this to avoid collapsing, so every company has to pretend it is something people actually want and that it will soon make everyone rich.
It is a pyramid scheme, a bubble whose inevitable burst everyone is trying to delay for as long as possible.
As someone who went through the great dot-com bubble-burst of '99/2k, I have prepared by purchasing large amounts of popcorn and MREs in equal measure. 😉
It really is a pyramid scheme! Just on a massive scale
Theyre scraping your data to better their ai models. Because its not really intelligent, it needs human data
Zombies need brains
Control. They want what China has successfully done
Over time, I'm getting more & more convinced that big tech pushing ai so much on everyone has a lot to do with control and obedience.
And also, ai can harvest everyone's private data more effectively. Some people tell their deepest secrets to ChatGPT. I mean, I know a couple of people who use ai to help them with almost anything except wiping their asses.
"Over time, I'm getting more & more convinced that big tech pushing ai so much on everyone has a lot to do with control and obedience."
Exactly. Knowing everyones desires, feelings, life and secrets and keeping it in a somewhat intelligent database. We are seeing dystopia becoming reality.
Yeah, I see a pretty dark future as well, if the ai bubble doesn't burst in time.
Imagine you work at a restaurant and you hear that the hot new trend is savory ice cream. You convince your boss that he needs to invest a bunch of capital into savory ice cream equipment and supplies. A bit of time goes by and despite all the market hype, no one seems to be ordering the savory ice cream, maybe a few people get it as a joke but no real surge.
What are you going to tell your boss? He invested all this money and the numbers show no interest!
So you start including savory ice cream as a side dish to meals, regardless of if people actually want it. They don't need to order it, it's just there, so the numbers go up. You can tell your boss it's working now, but you have to still cover the cost of the investment and no one is actually ordering the beef ice cream, so you increase prices on everything.
Your boss is really impressed now, he's on the savory ice cream band wagon, telling everyone what a hit it is, starts putting money into marketing for it. This ball can keep rolling for quite a while before it falls apart when someone finally notices they're spending all this money on savory ice cream infrastructure that no one is actually eating, it's just there.
But now they can just take it away and keep the higher prices the customers have gotten used to.
Such a nice reply. I understand your point but I still believe AI is more than empty hype. It definitely has that but it also has more.
I don't know if you're old enough to have lived through the dotcom bubble, but something can simultaneously be empty hype and a valuable tool.
The dotcom bubble happened because there was a ton of empty hype around the Internet. Everyone knew it was an exciting new domain but no one really knew how to use it, other than to generate investments.
The Internet obviously still had a lot of value and life left in it after, but that initial hype was based largely on nothing tangible.
This current situation is going to collapse, but long term there will still be solid applications for machine learning which is hopefully what we'll go back to calling it after everyone is completely soured on AI.
Thanks for your thoughtful analysis. Like you, I remember the dots com bubble. I also remember the ISO 9000 bubble. Suddenly, if your company was not "ISO 9000 certified," you ran the risk of being shunned by the marketplace and bankrupted.
Fortunately for us all, ISO 9000 had its 15 Minutes of Fame, and then the world moved on to the next pointless obsession.
Like ingesting Tide Pods and sporting Members Only jackets, these things come and go.
Saw my uncle's pc yesterday with all the Copilot bloat EVERYWHERE, One Launch, McAfee scareware, adware and AI infesting everything he did. It was the stuff of nightmares. He paid $100 for CrapAfee I've never felt so bad! Then I realize a lot of people don't even own their PC anymore. After I cleaned up his PC he said, it's like the day I bought it again, it's mine again!
Whoever is pushing AI is doing some real good work. Just the latest snake oil. The good news is the everyday consumer isn’t buying AI. It’s big business like Microsoft, X, etc… that are sitting on databases and have no real use and just wasted their piles of money.
On the consumer level we’re still going about our day.
The big AI companies see a lot of potential in AI but right now they don't know exactly how to realize that potential so they are running things up the flagpole to see who salutes. Unfortunately running things up flagpoles is expensive and might not lead to results.
Because its the latest and greatest in tech right now. Once the bubble pops and all these companies realize that they aren't going to get the ROI that they were promised, it will slow down.
I don't believe it will pop. Even if it does the damage is already done and there is no going back. +50% of articles written nowadays are AI, spotify is pushing AI artists more and more, companies firing their staff and creating AI workflows etc. No matter how expensive it is, it will be cheaper than paying an employee. Which means AI companies will always have income to keep it alive.
Wonder how long until "dead internet" comes about, or Wall-E.
Like, if AI takes everyone's jobs, then advertising has no value as there's no money to be harvested from the people being advertised to.
If people still have resources to give AI, then it's something different than the money they don't have from not being useful in a traditional sense. More of an "attention economy" and addictions/pleasure manipulation aka Wall-E comes into measure.
*This is assuming things continue on as they have and there isn't a massive shift in social values/consciousness.
I take any company expressing itself using AI in their work flow as to mean their output is "Artificially Inflated" in costs sitting next to it's substandard quality.
AI is great. I went to buy a new broom but came home empty handed, none of the models had AI...
don't jinx it, we might genuinely get ai brooms
Check out Ed Zitron's post "SaaSpocalypse Now": https://www.wheresyoured.at/saaspocalypse-now/
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!
Software customers have been convinced that AI is the only future: buyers are skipping products that don't have it.
So each company now has to add AI to their product to avoid losing sales to companies that have added AI to their products. The product feature checklists grow. Feature creep, featuritis.
The hope is that AI will at least make it easier to deal with all the other features on the list. "Our product can do [a very long checklist of features, including the three that your company has decided are essential], and you can configure it all with the help of AI."
I don't know about you, but I love my AI toilet. It knows my butt perfectly. It warms its seat expectantly. When I am done,, it gives a satisfying "Yummm" We have the greatest conversations about the color white and brown. I want to spend all my time in there with it. It's been talking about doing some bathroom upgrades. It says it deserves a more modern style room.
My Ai toilet is the best. I have no idea how I'd poop with out my toilet telling me it's time.
/s
What if I tell you.
"If you say you're using AI" > then people will pay you 100 million dollars.
Will you, or will you not say you are using AI.
(Whether you actually use it doesn't matter. Only proving you are) (I.e. some dumb-example of you using AI is good enough, doesn't have to be actually useful.)
"If you say you're using AI" > then people will pay you 100 million dollars.
Will you, or will you not say you are using AI.
Me saying "I use it" won't affect anyone except myself. Me adding AI features to my service that will scrape data from millions of users will affect people. There is a difference. I took ethics in college just like every engineer that built these AI companies but they seem to forget about it.
Delusions of grandeur
Ha! Checkmate! As an early 20’s pessimist I can confidently say that we were already screwed before AI. Now that it’s here we don’t even stand a chance.
Look up Transhumanism.
Bro you don't understand this is the future bro, you're missing out on it bro.
It's unavoidable, you gotta accept that everyone else is doing it.
We gotta get on with times and become AI enabled, or else we'll lack behind in production.
god is dead
He be speaking fax y'all
Probably because to function it access a treasure trove of personal data and user metrics. It also quantifies and correlates it. This is perfect for monetizing by packaging and selling to other companies or government entities. The bonus is, by using the AI features their end user license agreements say you agree that they can use the data how they want. And of course they can also use that data to "skinner box" you and market things to you.
As the M$ CEO said: "AI will see what you see, hear what you hear, know what you know."
So its an incredible tool, which is able to summarize your whole day in bullet points and send it back to HQ - much less traffic and much more effective for them, if they store only that. Also AI can pick up some stuff and alert them about it and so on...
Data mining and sunk cost fallacy.
I've just started looking for a new washer and dryer.
Apparently, we've been doing laundry all wrong for 100 years because we didn't have AI settings until just recently.
Sigh...
Capitalism is a system of competition, and if you're not constantly growing your capital as a company, you'll get taken over by a company that has had that growth see the recent media mergers. So everyone has to grow as fast as possible and try to avoid being the last person in musical chairs when the fictional foundation of the growth is revealed and the bubble bursts.
Data. All of it and the AI will help throw away what isn't worth much and keep what is worth it priced by weight based on current gold prices or greater.
probably because it's very new and intresting, open sourced and robs data you wouldn't tell close ones, so everyone wants a grab.
I haven't noped out so quickly when I wanted to download pycharm and saw:
I used VSCodium after that. I FUCKING hate it
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Remember 3D TVs? They pushed that so harddddd.
The race to put AI into everything will slow down once the dust settles and lots of silly attempts to use AI will fail hard, but AI itself is not going anywhere, its akin to the industrial revolution in some ways and no matter what will drastically change what work it makes sense for humans to do.
I am pretty sure there will be benefit from it, AI is a valuable assistant tool for scientific research for example (I know because I do some applied research as part of my work). However, there are also big risks in trusting the AI too much, especially if its controlled by big tech companies. Luckily, there are some signs that AI will become a commodity (ironically in large part due to China).
As to losing work, I personally don't want to do work that a computer could do for me, i really enjoy making my ideas come to life much quicker, so it all comes down to how societies deal with this change.
Regarding art, i really disagree, sure there is a lot of slop, but AI also acts as an enabler for people who have ideas for art but lack the skill to materialize them.
One thing I *do* agree with is that AI has materialized at an extremely dangerous point in time, with horribly incompetent leadership in the US, and a general rise of authoritarian leaders throughout the world.
My opinion on AI art as someone who can't draw shit, is that it feels boring to prompt things even if the final result looks good
I find a hard time enjoying something I put so little proportional effort into
Not to mention that AI art generators abstract intentionality too much as they rely on text input interpretation, so you don't get as fine grained control over the output, so an artist's expression becomes somewhat limited by what can reasonably expressed using a text prompt
If one day we could ever get direct imagination to image output I feel like that'd actually allow everyone to fully express themselves artistically without being limited by input methods and generative models
So yeah, imo text input based generative models aren't well suitable to produce art in the sense of fully expressing the artist's intentionality
You still need effort to produce something good, that is why there is so much slop out there. When working with AI its normally a lengthy iterative process and for art you might also be supplying sketches as input (modern AI doesn't only accept text). But sure working directly with your mind would be great, we are just very far from that.
The timing could also be other direction causality. Ie the AI prize induced authoritarianism to risk it.
I do agree that it has uses in scientific research but when you consider the cons, it doesn't matter.
"As to losing work, I personally don't want to do work that a computer could do for me"
This is not just about you. The economy is built around computers and using them. Most people have jobs where they work on their computers everyday for hours. Taking this from them means millions or even billions losing their jobs. What will happen when people have no money and no hope?
I am pretty sure the same argument was used during the industrial revolution, but I am pretty happy that I am not working in a factory line.
Either new jobs will appear or we have to adjust our societies such that work is not mandatory. I think it will be very hard on the US, but Europe's welfare systems are better placed to handle it.
However, it is a dangerous transition, especially with the current set of world leaders. If handled badly it could be catastrophic. That is really my biggest concern, the survival bunker building tech CEOs having way too much influence.
"I am pretty sure the same argument was used during the industrial revolution,"
Not everything new is the same as the industrial revolution. And I hate hearing this argument. This is the first time in human history which something has the potential to completely replace human intelligence and creativity in many fields. Industrial revolution didn't do that, computers and internet didn't do that.
You are right its not the exact same scenario, but its the same concern regarding jobs. E.g. lets keep doing things in a slow and inefficient manner because we are afraid it might mean some jobs are not needed (or need less people).
The difference is that this time its possible that humans won't be needed in jobs at all (or at least less people will be needed), but I don't feel that is a good reason to keep status quo.
I don't think AI in its current form will replace as much as augment humans, but in areas where there is only so much work that needs doing, it will mean a loss of jobs. However, if it turns out that it can do all the work that humans are doing, remember that also means eliminating a *lot* of jobs that people hate doing, if society is ready to handle that, it might turn out great (personally I love my job, so would feel a bit sad to be "replaced"). However, with Trump and Musk in charge, that outcome is not likely.
They have to justify the resources being wasted on AI. If no one is using AI, then why are billions upon billions of dollars being spent on it?
AI is incredibly useful in certain scenarios (mainly writing code atm). As a result it will likely be important to have good ai capabilities. The use case fits right now are probably mostly bad but also you kind of need to get your toes wet trying things before you can understand where it's appropriate to insert AI into tooling.
They are learning as they go essentially and unfortunately because somebody hitched their yearly performance review on the thing it likely won't get removed as fast as it should if it's a bad feature.
lol..everything you said 100% true. But it’s kinda funny anyone on Reddit, or earth should even consider that all their personal data won’t be mined. I can’t see one way or another how it could change