Both were different from the core parts of their decade if anything 1998 and 1999 is further removed from the 90s than 2008 and 2009 are from the 2000s
I was eight years old in 1990 and just about 18 at the end of the 90s and I would have to say the difference between the early 90s and the late 90s is insane - as I know has been written elsewhere but I lived through it and it was astonishing even then.
Curious, how is 1998 and 1999 part of the 00s culture zeigeist? Like there are early signs of the decade to come being fostered in the late 90s, but I don't believe there's enough in 98-99 to be able to group those years together with the 00s
Like, for me the cultural pieces that are synonomous with the 00s are the Xbox and PS2, TV becoming a rival to cinema, music moving from Nu Metal to Emo, Indie and Garage and Post Punk Revival. And lastly, digital media (iTunes/iPods and streaming media) overtaking physical media.
Besides Napster and the Sopranos, those 00s cultural icons I mentioned above were non-existant in the 90s.
Speaking from personal experience and graduating high school in 2001 and looking back, the summer of 2001 through the end of the year is when the 00s really started to take shape.
I’m just saying if people group 2008 and 2009 with the 2010s then 1998 and 1999 should be grouped with the 2000s both were very different the early and core parts of their respective decades
The 90s was a culturally fast moving decade (I’d argue the fastest ever) that experienced enormous change throughout, so much so that it feels like several distinct eras packed into one.
But that does not mean the late 90s era belongs to the 2000s culturally and the reason is because there is a bigger shift that comes immediately after them. 2001 is the big shift year that changes everything. Whatever the late 90s were moving towards, that trajectory and the entire mood of that era got cut off and transformed by the big cultural reset in 2001.
By contrast, there is no larger cultural reset after 2008 that redefines the era again. The impact of the financial crisis and the rise of smartphones are already the big shifts. Everything that follows in the 2010s builds on this foundation and just continues to deepen rather than being reset by some bigger later shift until the 2020s arrive.
So the late 90s feel different from the earlier 90s because the decade was accelerating quickly, but they do not belong to the cultural 2000s because the even bigger transformation that defines the 2000s is still ahead of them. Meanwhile 2008 and 2009 feel like early 2010s culture because the defining shift has already happened and there is no larger one coming afterward.
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I was eight years old in 1990 and just about 18 at the end of the 90s and I would have to say the difference between the early 90s and the late 90s is insane - as I know has been written elsewhere but I lived through it and it was astonishing even then.
Curious, how is 1998 and 1999 part of the 00s culture zeigeist? Like there are early signs of the decade to come being fostered in the late 90s, but I don't believe there's enough in 98-99 to be able to group those years together with the 00s
Like, for me the cultural pieces that are synonomous with the 00s are the Xbox and PS2, TV becoming a rival to cinema, music moving from Nu Metal to Emo, Indie and Garage and Post Punk Revival. And lastly, digital media (iTunes/iPods and streaming media) overtaking physical media.
Besides Napster and the Sopranos, those 00s cultural icons I mentioned above were non-existant in the 90s.
Speaking from personal experience and graduating high school in 2001 and looking back, the summer of 2001 through the end of the year is when the 00s really started to take shape.
I’m just saying if people group 2008 and 2009 with the 2010s then 1998 and 1999 should be grouped with the 2000s both were very different the early and core parts of their respective decades
i disagree
1996-2000 is firmly a distinct separate era.
2001 even before 9/11 it’s like everything changed
The 90s was a culturally fast moving decade (I’d argue the fastest ever) that experienced enormous change throughout, so much so that it feels like several distinct eras packed into one.
But that does not mean the late 90s era belongs to the 2000s culturally and the reason is because there is a bigger shift that comes immediately after them. 2001 is the big shift year that changes everything. Whatever the late 90s were moving towards, that trajectory and the entire mood of that era got cut off and transformed by the big cultural reset in 2001.
By contrast, there is no larger cultural reset after 2008 that redefines the era again. The impact of the financial crisis and the rise of smartphones are already the big shifts. Everything that follows in the 2010s builds on this foundation and just continues to deepen rather than being reset by some bigger later shift until the 2020s arrive.
So the late 90s feel different from the earlier 90s because the decade was accelerating quickly, but they do not belong to the cultural 2000s because the even bigger transformation that defines the 2000s is still ahead of them. Meanwhile 2008 and 2009 feel like early 2010s culture because the defining shift has already happened and there is no larger one coming afterward.