I'm trying to enjoy returning to DS1 with some coop but these DAMN RED PHANTOMS KEEP INVADING WITH DARK BEAD AND GAINT ARMOR and there's nothing I can do to help the hosts because "Ha ha red phantom takes no damage because end game armor at level 15"
What the hell am I supposed to do?
Simply try to say "No!" to them.
They don't respect the no. 🥲
I've got the same issue. I'm playing with my wife and there's this invader at sens fortress at the beginning who just has 1 things he does. he blocks you at that first bridge. he's been there for 3 days
There MIGHT be a mod that allows for co-op without invaders.
For one, look into the Seamless Co-op mod. I believe it is not as refined as the Elden Ring version, but it should be a much better co-op experience overall.
awesome! I'll look into that. that would be perfect
How does he block you?
Probably holds a greatshield and moves side to side, Cloranthy Ring, Havel’s Armor, the works. High stamina regen and poise so they can’t ever get past him.
exactly this. then casts that spell that pushes you back
Maybe some dung bombs or toxic arrows or something will help
You think they dont have blooming purple moss equipped.
When I invade/Gravelord in the burg I try to nerf myself by matching my opponents. I don’t even upgrade my armor since I typically already have 99 humanities.
Dark bead is easy to counter though. When they go to cast just roll behind them as soon as they raise their staff. They guys are typically bad players and can easily be backstab chained
The ones I've encountered are doing it in tight hallways where you can't get behind them or at a distance where you can't get to them before they roll.
Edit: and even if I could, they take...20 damage...maybe...
You can decide where the fight happens. Don’t let them trap you in a narrow corridor. You preferably want an open area. You also preferably want light roll. Wait to punish them when they cast their spell.
Bleed is very strong at low levels so something like the morning star can pressure them with bleed. You can buy Lloyd’s talismans from the merchant in the burg to prevent them from healing if they go for it
I'd love if the "I decide where the fight happens" were true. But it just isn't against the gargoyle because the invaders keep spawning behind the group of guys where the channeler is before we get there.
Thats the spawn point for invaders in the parish. Either wait downstairs for the invader to come to you or see if you can lure out the enemies in the room and kill them first.
For the damage i really do recommend using a weapon with bleed. A successful proc will take out 30% of their health. I’m just giving out ideas here without telling you to learn some techs. If want to try out pvp for yourself definitely at least learn to pivot, counter strafe, and learn the backstab angles.
I do not like PvP in any of the souls games. I actually despise it with a fiery passion. I love PvE. I like being summoned in as a sun bro. 🥲
To each their own. I love pvp it’s the main reason I replay these games. Luckily these games cater to both of us. Maybe I’ll invade you soon 😁
Well I'll be moving on from Gargoyles soon to the next area. If you see a Pyresaint Edea, please go easy on me. 🥲
I had a guy constantly invading in Anor Londo with a Dark Bead build. Whenever he invaded, his sprite would run to wherever I was no problem, then as soon as we did emotes or shield wiggling and started fighting, he would start scooting and sliding around the arena and was impossible to hit
Just block the guy(s) doing it, you should be able to find a list of recent players on whatever system you're on. Don't give them the satisfaction of repeatedly ruining your experience. I'm not sure if it works if you're a phantom, but I imagine it would.
Those OP early game invasion setups are kinda sad. Too scared to meet people on a level playing field.
Agreed
Bruh I just wanna get drunk and stomp noobs lol, not engage in the sweat fest that is a level playing field. If you really wanna counter it don't kill the bell gargoyles or taurus demon and wait for the (wildly unprepared) invaders.
It's just a shitty way to be dude.
Well for them maybe, it's very fun for me
Gotta hit with the o' "Turn off the console, then play in offline mode" gets em every time.
Playing in offline A) defeats the purpose of returning to DS1 for coop and B) makes being a sun bro lame as hell. I love being able to be summoned by someone struggling in an area and helping them through it or being summoned by someone who knows what they're doing and fighting with them feels smooth. Its great to be a sun bro when you don't have to see end game and end of DLC equipment at level 17 on an invader.
I totally get it, all my character slots are filled with builds to get summoned and help people. I just mean that it all you're getting are Invaders with end game stuff and its impeding you from continuing the game, go offline for a bit.
It is frustrating regardless though so I feel you, I had my fair share of it as well. I'm considering on making a faith build with the silence spell or something to help fight against dark bead at least lol.
I’ll invade you with my normal build and get mauled horribly, hopefully that evens things out a bit
It would be a nice change of pace to see an appropriate invader. Because then if we die it feels fair at least and I can be dead knowing that I did what I could rather than feeling like fighting the hulk with a bb gun, you know? Because while I do hate PvP, if its at least a level field then I don't feel like I was cheated. And I can understand that it can feel rough as an invader against ganks so when my friends and I play, we'll play 1v1 against the invader as long as the invader doesn't disengage to attack the host instead.
Well hopefully you’ll feel much better when I invade you as David Attenborough and look at the enemies with binoculars while narrating until I get killed
If you don't attack me, I won't attack you. And if I die then you still get stuff. 🙂
Alt F4 when you see you're up against a twink
Alternatively disconnect internet when some shitter decides to invade and you hear the SFX
It might be better/safer on PC but I just did that on my PS3 today (force quit during Ornstein and Smough cus Solaire got stuck in the corner and died right away and I was about to go eat and didn't feel like trying to fight them solo for the next 10-30min) and all my saves got corrupted lol some of them were from when the game first came out so it def wasn't worth not just letting my character die instead. I'm kinda pissed cus I've done it countless times and my save files have always been fine up until now, I had like 800+ hours between them :') not fun lol
A) thats against the rules put up when you open the game, I'm pretty sure.
B) I'm a phantom. I can't just leave the host to die. I just don't understand what invaders get out of invading like that. I barely understand invading normally.
"that's against the rules"
Damn, I kinda don't care. I shouldn't be forced to interact with the world's most toxic player base while trying to replay through the game with my partner. I stopped giving a fuck completely after an invader killed my NPCs.
It's fun dude, lol try my build and then get back to me
The PvP is not "fun". Especially DS1 PvP. I love getting backstab from the front and parried 3-5 business days after I attack from someone I can'thurt because they have upgraded giant armor at level 17 when I have killed exactly 1 boss. Its my favorite. 🤮
Nah brother, SL8. Don't even need to backstab, I just walk up and bonk with the sword or blow fire with dragon head. DS1 PvP is ass, DS1 twink invasions are a blast tho. Just see if you even can make it happen:
Hell don't even invade but man just see if you can even get that far, start as warrior with master key, final stats are str to 16 and dex to 14. Let's see if you can even make the build for it.
Of course I can. But...why? For what reason? I'm not interested in the bragging rights of something like that. I don't find ultras to be interesting to use either so I wouldn't even care that much to make a normal character with that in mind. 😐
Yeah lol I remember when I first said that.
So that you can actually defend the hosts who summon you from the twink invaders.
Most people making twink builds use cheat engine nowadays, even in the past too, ran across plenty of people with elite cleric helm on xbox360
I've never met one, but I was always on PS
invasion is honestly a design masterclass on exactly how to design a pvp system to be as obtrusive and unenjoyable for everyone involved as possible. what if pvpers could randomly horn in on someone's game, waste their resources or ruin their world, and then get rewarded for it. and even if they lose they still lose less than you would have because it doesnt make them stop being human. genuinely one of the worst and stupidest pvp mechanics ive ever seen
Hell yes. This is the good salt you hardly ever get anymore.
Run away tbh, I'm 100% the invader in these situations and nothing is more annoying than the guy I should be destroying just running
This does not solve the problem if the host does not run as well.
No it solves it, there's a small enough playerbase these days that the host pretty much has to chase ya. Like the build I run is SL8, giant armor +5, giant gauntlets +5, giant leggings +5, dragon head, Zweihander +5, grass crest shield, and for alternates I run the avelyn with lightning bolts and the dark hand, rings are FAP and hornet ring.
Totally unfair and you're never going to win lol, so be annoying and run away if you wanna piss the invader off. Also try my build and invade before the bell gargoyles / undead burg. I have had some good times gravelording in the latter and just smoking dozens of people.
Yes it's evil it's also fun asf.
What do you get out of invading like that? You just said its totally unfair and you'll never lose so why do it?
I will never invade for PvP. I hate souls PvP. I just want to do PvE.
It's fun to fuck with other people lol, more so when I'm drunk asf and not looking for a challenge. Trust me, try it sometime and you'll see what I'm talking about.
There's also a decent amount of anti-invader builds I run into and ungodly summons so sometimes I do get smoked, just not in a 1v1.
That sounds terrible. How is that fun? I genuinely don't understand.
Not sure what platform you are on but, is this really that common? I’ve only ran into one person who has had Dark Bead, usually I see people using late game weapons mainly. I mainly just sit at Gargoyles though.
What is your SL and what are you trying to help with?
PS and yes. It is fairly common. When I was trying to play last I saw 3 or 4 invaders that were constantly harassing the hosts that summoned me. One had giant armor and dark bead. One had thorn armor and dark bead. And 2 had the demon spear from the guys in anor londo. But I entered the world as the host died so I never got a look at the 4th to see if it was a different person from the third.
I was helping at gargoyles but I've helped enough there that I'm allowed to move on. I was level 17, personally, with +0 equipment a pyro glove and lightning spear. (My character is going to use pyromancy and miracles).
Oh you can just block them then, kinda a bitch move but so is the twink invading
Go offline?
I hate PvP in the souls games
Invaders are scum
This person gets it.
With the exception of invaders like what I do in Elden Ring (there's a quest that needs you to invade). I pass out consumables that I can but a lot of and just hang out. If they die, I get my reward and go home. If they win, yay them! If they were constantly getting harassed by invaders before and just want to get by this stupid level they're in? Well now they have someone keeping the other invaders away so they can enjoy the game. Everyone wins. "But what about the people that want PvP!" Well that's simple. They kill me easily because I hate PvP in souls games and will likely get destroyed as soon as they look at me so now they get to continue being invaded!
just play offline then
adjust. you can get just as strong as they are, and if that's what the local invasion scene looks like, you need to match arms.
If I go grab better weapons then I've upgraded too much to help people though.
i mean upgrading armor as well and even grabbing some dlc stuff. black flame is also way out of balance for the area.
there are ways to do relatively unbalanced melee damage without going past wl+5.
if invaders want to make undead burg dark bead city, you fire dark bead right back.
That involves me beating O&S at 15 and I don't want to do that
You can just summon two people and run away the whole time, the real bitch is killing 4 kings at SL8 for the red eye orb
well, for anyone who does, as someone who makes low-level invaders the legitimate way, i think i should share a trick so it's easier for people who want to build a counter to me:
if you have the dragon head stone and you kill ornstein first, the flame breath seems to get smough to always do his charge from a certain range, and if you can get him jammed on the corner of one of the pillars, you can whittle him down uncontested. it takes a while.
You just need to match the invaders
This is how its always been, for like 95% of the lifespan of this game. you have a bad attitude unfortunately.
Lock in, dodge everything, backstab.
I can dodge fine. But hosts often don't and will get hit by the dark bead that I dodged and die. I also can't get behind them because they're casting at a distance I can't reach. 🥲
Than just run really far away or speed level so they can't do anything to you.
Why don't you match them
Because the only way to do that is to basically beat the game at level 15 and come back, which I don't want to do, or upgrade my gear to the point where I can't be summoned.
Ok