Never done this boss but want to start bossing and make Some money for better gear, can I start whit this gear or what do I need to improve on? Current cash situation is broke :)
Blood moon should t be able to rng guck you when the other 2 can be killed easily. Not saying this as in general, saying this as in if you can kill the other 2 no problem, the third shouldn't be much different.
For me, generally I have no problem. However sometimes randomly bloodmoon has godly rolls and is healing an insane amount. I'm talking 1 hit from death to healing to 150hp +.
If it was healing because a mechanic wasn't being done properly that would be fine. But having it be complete rng is really stupid for how much it can heal.
That should straight up be so rare that it isn't noticeable in the long run. If you have the right gear you defense is high enough that you should not be getting hit very often on the third attack which is the only one that matters.
Nothing challenging about being hit for 15 damage on blood moon's third hit and she heals for over 3x the amount of the damage dealt on that hit.
As someone who's playing an ironman, getting Barrows Gear over Rune/Granite was a godsend, but I can't get the 6 minute speed trial because blood moon's heal is egregious compared to the other bosses mechanics.
That being said, if they made the heal only double the damage she dealt on the third hit, she would absolutely be more in-tune for the other bosses.
Not getting the speed time has nothing to do with the occasional high healing hit if you can't get it done on one's you don't get hit high. That is a skill issue
I would agree healing needs to be tuned, it’s ridiculous to me that if it just hits a single digit number on the third hit it heals like 32+ hp or something whack. If it healed 20-25 it would be much more manageable with barrows
Do you guys know you need to step under the boss to avoid the +32 heal? The healing is fine, players just need to play correctly and wear somewhat tanky gear
I started with rune armor and ended greenlogging moons with 2 barrows pieces and it is a day and night difference between the two. Yeah he heals, which is shit, but at least with tanky armor he doesnt heal nearly as often since he misses more
Think it’s definitely worth the upgrade from rune to barrows?, I’m at 60 kc with nothing from moons and 50 from barrows with only tank helm. I’m thinking of going back to barrows as looking like going dry at moons all 90s in melee stats, unsure if want to risk going dry for tank tho
Thanks mate. Ive been sending a few barrows as have hards done and barrows poh and tier 2 hilt so its a no supply’s for barrows so might stay till 200. Thanks for the info 👍🏻
When I was full rune blood would take like 80% of my invy to kill. In barrows, he would take like 1-2 fish. In fact I even got the ca of using no supplies against blood moon.
Get mory hard diary, free teleport nearby and more runes from barrows. Only 70 pray is somewhat annoying to get but not to bad if you use the wildy altar
Prayer bonus doesn’t help in moons. Those pieces are the same def stats but prayer bonus is pointless for moons. It won’t extend trips to any meaningful degree at all.
Moons isnt the only content lol he said he is broke , why not suggest versatility. Literally the same def stats . Verac plate skirt is bis for barrows.
You NEED barrows armour for this boss. Especially if you are a noon. End of story. The blood moon heals a LOT if it hits you. It will heal faster than you can dps it in that gear, and you will not even be able to get 1kc. Go get some barrows armour for like 300k and you will be fine.
Honestly any of the melee bros gear. They are Al generally Tanky and imo good enough since u can get every supply for moons for free in the genera area of where you will be fighting.
I believe veracs top gives similar defence to a rune platebody, and dharoks helm is a bit weaker than the other melee helmets, but the other pieces are all pretty similar to each other.
Any melee brother helm and top Except Veracs top, and Veracs plate skirt for that extra +4 prayer bonus. Set your auto prayers to piety if you have it, or all your best melee and defence prayers. Steel skin turns blood moon from a rng check into a breeze since you're not getting hit more so it won't heal as much.
I would reccomend veracs helm, torags body, and veracs skirt. Veracs items give extra prayer bonus, but the veracs body has significantly less defence, so youre better off with torags or dharoks, whichever is cheaper.
But you're not saving prayer pots, you can't keep the potions. Your prayer drains slightly slower but that's a non-issue when they're easy/quick to make and you'll probably still be using 1-2 potions per run anyway.
But Veracs isn't used for anything else, and you'd need a different set chest anyway. Could just spend less on Torags or get 3 pieces of Dharok/Guthan to save for other uses outside of Moons.
yeah but you have as many pots as you need... if he runs out of prayer is because he forgot to make pots, not because he needs more prayer bonus. tankier set is gonna be more important
Mostly just a convenience thing. It's easier to do the quest for ibans staff or farm a warped scepter then do barrows for a few hours to get a couple pieces.
It's supposed to be chill content to farm so why make it harder on yourself if you don't have to
It took me around 30 hours over 7 days to get tank top and bottom. I used rune for over 60 kills, you just gotta DDS spec blood moon when hes low so he cant heal back up.
So the deal with moons is, they're one of the few bosses that has a harsh equipped-defence requirement.
Void is great for low defence targets, because they added accuracy bonus is good.
What I would recommend instead is scraping together the GP to do some barrows runs. (Void mage+ Trident of the seas is more than enough) And use that to get tank gear, whether you get the drops from barrows, or get drops that help you afford barrows gear.
When you have barrows top and bottom, you'll be more than ready for moons!
I'd also strongly recommend you have access to piety and well. Also don't be afraid to check out the wiki for PVM info as they typically have a pretty thorough "strategies" section that gives out recommended stats/gear!
>Void is great for low defence targets, because they added accuracy bonus is good.
Au contraire, if the enemy is low defence, you are already hitting them with high % so accuracy doesn't matter much or at all, for example crabs, or bandits.
Void and accuracy in general are more useful the more defence the enemy has.
Ok. Definitely scrape together the gp if you can to get full melee barrows gear. Last i checked they are all pretty cheap, i personally bought torags. Do some questing and get as far in to RFD as you reasonably can for a glove upgrade. Obby cape is technically an upgrade here but i personally used mixed hide. Defender is a good offensive option, i personally use a dfs but that’s not very budget friendly. Each moons boss is weak to a certain attack type as well, but zaxe will work. Id personally buy the glacial temotli for blue moon since theyre cheap and absolutely slam that boss. Steel ring is also arguably better than a b-ring for a fraction of the cost
I see steel ring recommended a lot but it’s usually the wrong call. Steel ring prevents about 0.15 heal per second on a typical mid game player on blood moon. The DPS increase from B ring (i) typically smokes that.
If the ring gets you a max hit of 1, then 0.15 That's roughly the increase in dps you get from a b ring i as well.
The calc is theoretically 0.5 damage on average every hit, which should be every 2.4 seconds (or 3 seconds in case of OP with zombie axe).
If you get 2 max hits due to the ring, then yea that's probably more damage (again it depends on accuracy and weapon speed). That said, defense also provides you defense in addition to reducing time to kill, so it's probably better if you account for the reduced deaths and reduced eating time.
I tend to get away with just eating during specs, but I totally agree - missing even one whole attack to eating probably changes the calculus entirely.
B ring should give 2 hits in most cases especially with moonlight pot on board.
So i guess it comes down to if you’re eating a lot, and if the steel ring really changes that. I think for most people it will still prove a better choice except with really low def (eating) or strength (less than 2 max hits) players.
If you have high def already, then the str bonus will help more. If you have high str, then def will help more. It's similar to LoL in that sense. Minmaxing isn't as useful.
Especially considering that the boss heals, so there is a lineal relationship with a negative constant y=mx-b
Your actual dps is what's leftover after you substracr heal per second. So just defense isn't ever going to be helpful. And strength bonuses will provide diminishing returns that are almost lineal once you have heavily surpassed the hps. Say going from 50 to 52 is just a 4% dmg increase, as opposed to going from 25 to 27 being an 8%.
Same with accuracy of course, which is why d defender might be a good choice, since it's the only slot where you can choose between acc or def. And if you are already hitting 250 def, the extra 50 from a shield is not that impactful.
If you’re cash broke and want to run moons here’s what you should do.
Sell the following
- Zombie Axe
- Ammy of Fury
- Sell B Ring
Purchase the following
- Barrows tank gear (torags)
- Get the Glacial Temotli for Blue Moon
- Barrows gloves or the highest you can use
- Ring of Steel (Optional)
- Get a DDS and Dragon Scimitar (use DDS for spec against Blood Moon)
- Use a glory instead of Fury
- Buy dragon sword for Eclipse Moon (he’s weak to stab)
You really want to prioritize defence when facing moons, ESPECIALLY Blood Moon as he heals off every hit. Blood moon will destroy you in this gear because void has terrible defence.
Zaxe is also fine, you’ll just do the majority of your damage in clone phase instead of a more even split. Good call on the dds though, i forgot about it
A B ring is like 4M. The GE Tax is 2%, and you also pay like 6% to flippers that provide fast liquidity for the item. so you end up losing like 240k from selling and buying the b ring.
It's better not to overoptimize for a specific task and try to keep your generic expensive items.
Similarly with fury, that's a general purpose amulet, you don't need to sell it.
Nothing of what you listed requires much money anyways. Just tank armour is enough.
The guy said he's cash poor and so we have to assume he'll need to sell something in order to grab some new gear. I agree that the b ring is probably too good to give up as a general purpose melee ring and I'm not sure it has a decent cheaper alternative.
The fury I'd say should be first to go. Stick with either a glory or a str ammy. Both are dead cheap and still decent all round general purpose items for more than just moons so a good investment until he gets some good drops and can build up his cash again.
So you equivocate doing RFD, the fremy isles, and the fight caves with learning the inferno and buying/getting one of the best amulets in the game, and maxing out your stats…
Void really doesent have good defense, and The moons have a Mechanic where they hit something along The likes of:
4 -> 8 -> 16
In a 3 hit combo. And If you sucessfully defend any of these, you wont get hit by The rest of The combo.
This makes defense a much bigger deal for melee than It usually is, where people Just Go for max melee Str.
Consider having switches for The weapons as well:
Eclipse is weak to stab, and a high hitting slow weapon can take advantage of its clone Attack to absolutely demolish It. Crystal halberd in there is Just silly
Frost moon is weak to Crush and Also has negative base Armour. Glacial temotli ARE easy/cheap and Also wreck It.
Blood moon is weak to Slash, so dscim/whip/zombie axe should be enough (at least try swapping The Attack modes betwrrn Crush and Slash). And honestly for blood moon I usually wear a dragon med shield in place of The defender, but a Rune kite should do The trick.
The berserker ring rocks but I actually enjoyed using a STEEL RING (1/50ish drop from deranged archeo) its actually BiS melee defense for The slot, and moons punish you by lowering your damage when they damage you, so It kinda indirectly deals damage.
Might be a lil late but if you didnt want to make too many changes you could probs jist switch for guardian boots and dfs, obv better upgrades but tbh st would work
Im at the same stage on my account and this is my setup:
Neitz
Glory
Spotted cape
Obsidian chest
Dragon leggings
Dragon boots
Barrows gloves
Steel ring
Weapons
Dragon sword + defender for eclipse
Glacial tiamotzl for blue
Whip + obsidian shield for blood
I pray defense the whole way, I turn defense to strength on only the eclipse clone phase, other than that I turn off defense during every other special attack phase
The biggest thing in my opinion was my herblore level since it changes how potent the potions are, getting herblore to 66 was a game changer. For the increase in defense from the potion. To train efficiently right now I’ve been making super energy potions and decanting them to 4 dose during dead hours and you can pull a profit of ~100k per 300 potions right now by buying unfinished avantoe
I’m 70 def for reference as well, not sure why no one is talking about the herblore level stuff, but that’s been the best increase to defense without breaking the bank.
While you don’t NEED barrows top and legs to farm them it will make the grind so much better. I completed the quest with 70 combats in rune gear on my iron but there’s no way in hell I’m doing any farming until I get some tank top and legs from barrows.
On my GIM I didn’t even start farming them until I got my berserker ring, barrows gloves, and fire cape just to make them that much easier.
You need defense more than prayer. Torag > Verac, don’t listen to dumb people in the comments. If your prayer is running out too fast then go train it before doing pvm content.
Moons are different from other bosses. The more they hit you, the slower your kills are. As a result, tank armour is disproportionately valuable here.
They also have low defense versus their weak style. As a result, your accuracy, while still important, is less important than your strength bonus.
As a result, you should try to wear barrows armour, barrows gloves, strength amulet, and a good shield (obby shield > dragon defender unless speccing)
The good news id thay this equipment is dirt cheap. You can sell the ring to pay for all of it. If you don't have barrows gloves unlocked, then combat bracelet will do just fine. You can replace the ring with a Ring of Steel. Alternatively, you can sell the fury for the armour.
The fury is good however if you need cash you can sell
Torags top and bottom nezzy helm dboots barrows gloves. If you have fire cape hooray, if not ardy cape or even better obby cape for more tank. Or even mixed hide cape for STR bonus, rune or dragon defender. Or dfs/obby shield.
You'll need stab for eclipse, fang/belles (I'm unaware of price)/ zammy hasta.
Crush for Blue Moon. Zombie axe on crush/zammy hasta on crush mode/saracnis cudgel
Slash for blood. If you're gunna get stuck it'll be here.
Aby whip/D Scim/ zombie axe on slash. I really insist on a 4 tick over a 5 tick for this guy as his healing mechanics are BRUTAL.
Bring Dragon dagger if you want to spec for all of em it's slash but it's good enough.
Piety is going to be your best friend here it's doable with the 3 prayers but piety is such a huge step up and will give you a lot in return.
Best of luck you got this and this boss has really good drop rate and some fantastic value weapons.
Go get em tiger.
Keep your current gear. Get the void knight mage helm and go barrows with a wind spell. Farm your own tank set and sell any duplicates or ahrims/karils. You’ll profit and gain a bunch of mage xp
Rune armor at 80 Def is absolutely fine, that's what I had and I blew through it effortlessly. Don't need barrows armor or anything else, maybe bring a kiteshield if bloodmoon is bothering you but you'll be fine without. Definitely recommend getting piety, at the least chivalry and steelskin
Gear : Rune Body/Legs : Helm of Netiznot : Barrows Gloves : Fire Cape
Not in void, you’d be better off using barrows legs, fighter torso/bloodmoon chestplate, neitiznot, and obby shield.
Void gives about the same defense bonus as adamant, you would get diddled by blood moon. In the Perilous moon’s defense trumps straight dps setups as each moon has a mechanic that makes them harder depending on how much damage you take. Prot prayers don’t work.
This is fine. People suggest barrows because it will be easier, but having to do weeks of barrows for the set you want is boring as shit. I really don’t like barrows. You could start off with scurrius for bossing mechanics, like 20-50 kills is easy and you get great rune drops for money. But you can send it with this can still make decent money. Plus bone shards for prayer, and you could always get lucky and get a full set of gear from here early on. So screw the masses! Do what you want!!!
Blood moon has a mechanic that steals life when it hits you so I'd recommend tank armour like rune plate or barrows tank gear. Void is good hybrid set but is notoriously low defense so gonna be a struggle on blood moon
sell your fury, use that cash to buy Torags helm, torags plate body, torags plate legs, and a rune square shield. That’s your set up. Use zombie axe for all 3 bosses, switch it to crush for the ice one and use it on slash for the other 2. Good luck have fun
You need to be tankier, sell the fury and get some barrows gear if you’re poor. You can do it with this setup but you’ll take a lot more damage
Blood moon wont be fun with this armor
Swapping to barrows tank gear from mixed hide turned Blood moon from headache inducing to just barely bearable.
Then you are doing something wrong.
Nope, blood moon is just annoying.
Yeah blood is overtuned imo. It's healing needs to be reduced to 1x or 2x while inside a circle.
Then it wouldn’t be challenging content?????
Moons shouldn’t be much more challenging than barrows to be fair; they are right next to each other in progression. It’s early game honestly
Difference is that Barrows is ancient content, Moons could be better mechanically, but it's a nice way to step it up just a little
The difficulty shouldn’t be stat checking how tanky you are tho
It should be a step up mechanically
1/3 moons being challenging just feels weird
Blood moon should t be able to rng guck you when the other 2 can be killed easily. Not saying this as in general, saying this as in if you can kill the other 2 no problem, the third shouldn't be much different.
For me, generally I have no problem. However sometimes randomly bloodmoon has godly rolls and is healing an insane amount. I'm talking 1 hit from death to healing to 150hp +.
If it was healing because a mechanic wasn't being done properly that would be fine. But having it be complete rng is really stupid for how much it can heal.
That should straight up be so rare that it isn't noticeable in the long run. If you have the right gear you defense is high enough that you should not be getting hit very often on the third attack which is the only one that matters.
It's not that rare.
i wear full tank with 75 defence currently. Still happens like every 5ish kills or so.
It was significantly worse when at like 60-70 defence before getting barrows.
90 defense, bandos gear, fury, d boots, face guard, 1/3 runs blood moon will randomly heal like a quarter health just purely rng.
Nothing challenging about being hit for 15 damage on blood moon's third hit and she heals for over 3x the amount of the damage dealt on that hit.
As someone who's playing an ironman, getting Barrows Gear over Rune/Granite was a godsend, but I can't get the 6 minute speed trial because blood moon's heal is egregious compared to the other bosses mechanics.
That being said, if they made the heal only double the damage she dealt on the third hit, she would absolutely be more in-tune for the other bosses.
Not getting the speed time has nothing to do with the occasional high healing hit if you can't get it done on one's you don't get hit high. That is a skill issue
I would agree healing needs to be tuned, it’s ridiculous to me that if it just hits a single digit number on the third hit it heals like 32+ hp or something whack. If it healed 20-25 it would be much more manageable with barrows
Do you guys know you need to step under the boss to avoid the +32 heal? The healing is fine, players just need to play correctly and wear somewhat tanky gear
You can't avoid they heal unless you pass the defense check.
That fuvker can go from 1/4 health to 2/3 health with a couple chain hits.
Moons are RNG bosses but Blood moon is the worst. I'm in bandos and sometimes it slaps me a good 35 and other times it's a breeze
Blood moon isn't fun with any armor tbh. Feels like you're doing good then it heals for 30+
It's fine when you out level the content though
I started with rune armor and ended greenlogging moons with 2 barrows pieces and it is a day and night difference between the two. Yeah he heals, which is shit, but at least with tanky armor he doesnt heal nearly as often since he misses more
Think it’s definitely worth the upgrade from rune to barrows?, I’m at 60 kc with nothing from moons and 50 from barrows with only tank helm. I’m thinking of going back to barrows as looking like going dry at moons all 90s in melee stats, unsure if want to risk going dry for tank tho
Insanely worth.
Every HP blood gets from you is another HP he'll use to, you guessed it, swing again to gain more HP.
He may claim to have 500 HP, but it's really more like 500 (+2000)
It obviously depends on your dps too, but the difference between something like rune+60 def and barrows+75 def is cutting that +2000 down to +500.
At least decide on some number of kc to send. If you don't get the drop in that number then leave, nbd.
Thanks mate. Ive been sending a few barrows as have hards done and barrows poh and tier 2 hilt so its a no supply’s for barrows so might stay till 200. Thanks for the info 👍🏻
When I was full rune blood would take like 80% of my invy to kill. In barrows, he would take like 1-2 fish. In fact I even got the ca of using no supplies against blood moon.
Awesome thanks for that guess I’ll head back for a bit and see how I go 🙂
You can skip the 30+ heal Everytime with a step under method
We know.
Worth learning the step-under method. He'll literally be unable to heal 30+
Not really. It only heals that much it it hits 3x in a row. That is why def is so important there, if any of those 3 hits miss you're fine
Just dodge amirite
That's literally the mechanic for all 3 moons yes. That's why you can kill them on a defence pure.
Yeah step under
Or just do barrows because it is chill and gives you lots of runes.
I need to do barrows to get runes to train magic but I need to train magic to get barrows teleport to enjoy doing barrows...
Do Mage training arena
Get mory hard diary, free teleport nearby and more runes from barrows. Only 70 pray is somewhat annoying to get but not to bad if you use the wildy altar
It’s not so bad without the tele if you bring a couple strange lock picks
Do moons for prayer, for mory hard, so you can do barrows to get tank armour, so that you can do moons.
If you're iron, it's a bit long, but shades of Morton mini game tele. Gotta do a quest to unlock.
You know what the answer is? Push off to sea. Camp plundered salvage. Alch it all!
Tank gear for moons of peril
What would be a good budget option ?
Barrows or bust
What's the name of the forgotten barrows brother meme that was circulating here few months ago?
Brocrag!
Torag legs, torag top
Verac helm and skirt for prayer and tank bonus is better tbh
Prayer bonus in a place with free pots tho
Don’t need prayer bonus at all.
Yall dont make sense it would extend trips and gives same def as torags etc. Its a win win lol
Prayer bonus doesn’t help in moons. Those pieces are the same def stats but prayer bonus is pointless for moons. It won’t extend trips to any meaningful degree at all.
Moons isnt the only content lol he said he is broke , why not suggest versatility. Literally the same def stats . Verac plate skirt is bis for barrows.
And the goal post was way over there a couple minutes ago.
Torags helm body legs, and bring a rune kite shield for blood moon (:
Go kill the barrows brothers its really cheap and easy and the drops are common
Torags and steel ring
Granite body, nezzy helm, rune legs for the ultra poor but it’s still gonna suck doing blood
Otherwise just whatever melee barrows gear you have, Torags would offer the best def
At this point just sell the fury and get barrows
You NEED barrows armour for this boss. Especially if you are a noon. End of story. The blood moon heals a LOT if it hits you. It will heal faster than you can dps it in that gear, and you will not even be able to get 1kc. Go get some barrows armour for like 300k and you will be fine.
What type of barrows gear do i get there is so many ?
Torag chest and legs since you're not worried about set effect.
Honestly any of the melee bros gear. They are Al generally Tanky and imo good enough since u can get every supply for moons for free in the genera area of where you will be fighting.
I believe veracs top gives similar defence to a rune platebody, and dharoks helm is a bit weaker than the other melee helmets, but the other pieces are all pretty similar to each other.
I’ve also had luck with dragon legs, rune body, zombie axe, and dragon fire shield
Any melee brother helm and top Except Veracs top, and Veracs plate skirt for that extra +4 prayer bonus. Set your auto prayers to piety if you have it, or all your best melee and defence prayers. Steel skin turns blood moon from a rng check into a breeze since you're not getting hit more so it won't heal as much.
I would reccomend veracs helm, torags body, and veracs skirt. Veracs items give extra prayer bonus, but the veracs body has significantly less defence, so youre better off with torags or dharoks, whichever is cheaper.
A small prayer bonus is almost a non-issue in moons, you're making your supplies anyway.
7 prayer bonus isnt small
But you're not saving prayer pots, you can't keep the potions. Your prayer drains slightly slower but that's a non-issue when they're easy/quick to make and you'll probably still be using 1-2 potions per run anyway.
Who cares you can use barrows armor for many more things so it’s the best barrows armour to have for melee if you aren’t using a full set
But Veracs isn't used for anything else, and you'd need a different set chest anyway. Could just spend less on Torags or get 3 pieces of Dharok/Guthan to save for other uses outside of Moons.
OP could use it to get their fire cape
I used it for my first cape the prayer bonus is definitely worth it
Bro i'm trying to help a noob here, he'll get slapped if his prayer gets turned off lol but okay bro
yeah but you have as many pots as you need... if he runs out of prayer is because he forgot to make pots, not because he needs more prayer bonus. tankier set is gonna be more important
You have unlimited free pots. You don’t need prayer bonus.
Protection prayers don’t work on moons
Protection prayers don't work at moons so it would just shut off piety. Which would lower your defence but not a massive deal
No u don’t lol just ring of suffering (ri) i do this on my pures u don’t even have to attack boss just keep brewing
As someone who does it with rune chest and legs, no you don't.
I'm trying to help a noob bro, he does need barrows.
No one wants to resupply between every boss. If your not doing that in that gear then u have really high stats.
You don't NEED Barrows gear, I did 20 or 30 chests (all Moons) in rune armour on the ironman
Mostly just a convenience thing. It's easier to do the quest for ibans staff or farm a warped scepter then do barrows for a few hours to get a couple pieces.
It's supposed to be chill content to farm so why make it harder on yourself if you don't have to
It took me around 30 hours over 7 days to get tank top and bottom. I used rune for over 60 kills, you just gotta DDS spec blood moon when hes low so he cant heal back up.
So the deal with moons is, they're one of the few bosses that has a harsh equipped-defence requirement.
Void is great for low defence targets, because they added accuracy bonus is good.
What I would recommend instead is scraping together the GP to do some barrows runs. (Void mage+ Trident of the seas is more than enough) And use that to get tank gear, whether you get the drops from barrows, or get drops that help you afford barrows gear.
When you have barrows top and bottom, you'll be more than ready for moons!
Saw this a lot and looked into this there is a lot of types of barrows gear what types Should I use ?
if you have the money, Dharok’s is more useful outside of moons for the set bonus with the axe, but Guthan’s/Torag’s’ll work the same there
edit, i guess Guthan’s has a non-zero use case for being good enough at sustaining on task. so, they’re all the same at moons, but Dharok>Guthan>Torag
Even then the only use case for dharocks is mole(fang is better now) and the one hydra task that makes you use dharocks.
So your cheapest options would be Torag's top and bottom.
Dharok's is also incrementally better. But also a good bit pricier.
If you have a helm of neitznot, you can wear that. Otherwise Verac's helm is a good substitute.
All in all you're looking to spend in the neighborhood of 1.5m-2m
What stats you recon I need for moons?
70s all melees at the very least
I'd also strongly recommend you have access to piety and well. Also don't be afraid to check out the wiki for PVM info as they typically have a pretty thorough "strategies" section that gives out recommended stats/gear!
>Dharok's is also incrementally better. But also a good bit pricier.
No it isn't. The stats are the same.
All barrow armour stats are the same with a few exceptions:
1 - Verac's have added prayer bonus.
2 - Some specific pieces are a bit weaker: Verac's brassard (body), Dharok helm, and guthan chainskirt.
Dharrok's are better because of the set bonus, not the stats
>Void is great for low defence targets, because they added accuracy bonus is good.
Au contraire, if the enemy is low defence, you are already hitting them with high % so accuracy doesn't matter much or at all, for example crabs, or bandits.
Void and accuracy in general are more useful the more defence the enemy has.
Use barrows instead of void
Prayer overheads aren't that helpful, so you might want tank legs and chest first. But your offensive is probably just fine. Zom axe slays.
Overheads in moons exist only to waste prayer points. It’s not that they aren’t helpful, they don’t work at all lol
I'm aware, I was just speaking casually to get the person headed in the right direction.
Are you an ironman or a main?
Main
Ok. Definitely scrape together the gp if you can to get full melee barrows gear. Last i checked they are all pretty cheap, i personally bought torags. Do some questing and get as far in to RFD as you reasonably can for a glove upgrade. Obby cape is technically an upgrade here but i personally used mixed hide. Defender is a good offensive option, i personally use a dfs but that’s not very budget friendly. Each moons boss is weak to a certain attack type as well, but zaxe will work. Id personally buy the glacial temotli for blue moon since theyre cheap and absolutely slam that boss. Steel ring is also arguably better than a b-ring for a fraction of the cost
I see steel ring recommended a lot but it’s usually the wrong call. Steel ring prevents about 0.15 heal per second on a typical mid game player on blood moon. The DPS increase from B ring (i) typically smokes that.
If the ring gets you a max hit of 1, then 0.15 That's roughly the increase in dps you get from a b ring i as well.
The calc is theoretically 0.5 damage on average every hit, which should be every 2.4 seconds (or 3 seconds in case of OP with zombie axe).
If you get 2 max hits due to the ring, then yea that's probably more damage (again it depends on accuracy and weapon speed). That said, defense also provides you defense in addition to reducing time to kill, so it's probably better if you account for the reduced deaths and reduced eating time.
I tend to get away with just eating during specs, but I totally agree - missing even one whole attack to eating probably changes the calculus entirely.
B ring should give 2 hits in most cases especially with moonlight pot on board.
So i guess it comes down to if you’re eating a lot, and if the steel ring really changes that. I think for most people it will still prove a better choice except with really low def (eating) or strength (less than 2 max hits) players.
Balance is also a factor.
If you have high def already, then the str bonus will help more. If you have high str, then def will help more. It's similar to LoL in that sense. Minmaxing isn't as useful.
Especially considering that the boss heals, so there is a lineal relationship with a negative constant y=mx-b
Your actual dps is what's leftover after you substracr heal per second. So just defense isn't ever going to be helpful. And strength bonuses will provide diminishing returns that are almost lineal once you have heavily surpassed the hps. Say going from 50 to 52 is just a 4% dmg increase, as opposed to going from 25 to 27 being an 8%.
Same with accuracy of course, which is why d defender might be a good choice, since it's the only slot where you can choose between acc or def. And if you are already hitting 250 def, the extra 50 from a shield is not that impactful.
If he was an Ironman, he would have 90 crafting and at least 78-83 slayer.
Okay? Maybe he grinded those out but didnt do moons or barrows yet lol, weirder things have happened
As an Ironman my crafting is 76 and slayer is 90 and i still don't have moons but do have my quest cape
What
If you’re cash broke and want to run moons here’s what you should do.
Sell the following - Zombie Axe - Ammy of Fury - Sell B Ring
Purchase the following - Barrows tank gear (torags) - Get the Glacial Temotli for Blue Moon - Barrows gloves or the highest you can use - Ring of Steel (Optional) - Get a DDS and Dragon Scimitar (use DDS for spec against Blood Moon) - Use a glory instead of Fury - Buy dragon sword for Eclipse Moon (he’s weak to stab)
You really want to prioritize defence when facing moons, ESPECIALLY Blood Moon as he heals off every hit. Blood moon will destroy you in this gear because void has terrible defence.
Id argue just sell the b-ring to buy the steel ring, barrows gear, and glacial temotli for blue moon
Edit: could also sell the fury and buy a dfs i guess, since you could afford steel/barrows/dfs/glory with the cash from the b-ring and fury
Also just realize that Dragon Sword is good budget stab weapon for eclipse moon
Zaxe is also fine, you’ll just do the majority of your damage in clone phase instead of a more even split. Good call on the dds though, i forgot about it
Yeah but if he’s cash broke and needs gear then you sell Z axe to fund it.
Ah yeah i messed the price of b ring up in my head, for some reason brain told me it was 4m not 3m
A B ring is like 4M. The GE Tax is 2%, and you also pay like 6% to flippers that provide fast liquidity for the item. so you end up losing like 240k from selling and buying the b ring.
It's better not to overoptimize for a specific task and try to keep your generic expensive items.
Similarly with fury, that's a general purpose amulet, you don't need to sell it.
Nothing of what you listed requires much money anyways. Just tank armour is enough.
The guy said he's cash poor and so we have to assume he'll need to sell something in order to grab some new gear. I agree that the b ring is probably too good to give up as a general purpose melee ring and I'm not sure it has a decent cheaper alternative.
The fury I'd say should be first to go. Stick with either a glory or a str ammy. Both are dead cheap and still decent all round general purpose items for more than just moons so a good investment until he gets some good drops and can build up his cash again.
True. But I think cash poor might mean he hasn't got mils to spare, since he has a b ring. Barrows body and legs are 300k.
But yeah, selling fury is better than selling b ring due to cost.
Torags chest and legs are like 600k
Torags Chest and legs is all i use for tank gear mate for moons
Personally, I’d go with torags, barrows gloves, fire cape, and nezzy helm.
just go for infernal and amulet of rancour, and max cape at that point
So you equivocate doing RFD, the fremy isles, and the fight caves with learning the inferno and buying/getting one of the best amulets in the game, and maxing out your stats…
That defense bonus isn't going to be fun with it, but it is doable.
If you could get some tank armor from barrows and helm of neitiznot, that'd go a long way.
Rune or crystal kite sheild atleast 60 pray tank gear
Wait a second, is that berserker ring unimbued?
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Yeah, just take a slight detour of levelling skills and doing like 20 quests in order to get marginally better bonuses than a combat bracelet.
Does the pope shit in the woods?
Hey I had 70def with 300+ in defense bonuses and blood moon was still a cunt so I wouldn’t recommend it
I just need to max defence, but give it a go, ice boss you can do, yellow possibly. Red one is most defense Heavy
You need barrows armor. I use Torag with a obby shield. This boss is more about stacking defence.
Void really doesent have good defense, and The moons have a Mechanic where they hit something along The likes of: 4 -> 8 -> 16 In a 3 hit combo. And If you sucessfully defend any of these, you wont get hit by The rest of The combo. This makes defense a much bigger deal for melee than It usually is, where people Just Go for max melee Str. Consider having switches for The weapons as well:
Eclipse is weak to stab, and a high hitting slow weapon can take advantage of its clone Attack to absolutely demolish It. Crystal halberd in there is Just silly
Frost moon is weak to Crush and Also has negative base Armour. Glacial temotli ARE easy/cheap and Also wreck It.
Blood moon is weak to Slash, so dscim/whip/zombie axe should be enough (at least try swapping The Attack modes betwrrn Crush and Slash). And honestly for blood moon I usually wear a dragon med shield in place of The defender, but a Rune kite should do The trick.
The berserker ring rocks but I actually enjoyed using a STEEL RING (1/50ish drop from deranged archeo) its actually BiS melee defense for The slot, and moons punish you by lowering your damage when they damage you, so It kinda indirectly deals damage.
Might be a lil late but if you didnt want to make too many changes you could probs jist switch for guardian boots and dfs, obv better upgrades but tbh st would work
Im at the same stage on my account and this is my setup:
Neitz
Glory
Spotted cape
Obsidian chest
Dragon leggings
Dragon boots
Barrows gloves
Steel ring
Weapons Dragon sword + defender for eclipse
Glacial tiamotzl for blue
Whip + obsidian shield for blood
I pray defense the whole way, I turn defense to strength on only the eclipse clone phase, other than that I turn off defense during every other special attack phase
The biggest thing in my opinion was my herblore level since it changes how potent the potions are, getting herblore to 66 was a game changer. For the increase in defense from the potion. To train efficiently right now I’ve been making super energy potions and decanting them to 4 dose during dead hours and you can pull a profit of ~100k per 300 potions right now by buying unfinished avantoe
I’m 70 def for reference as well, not sure why no one is talking about the herblore level stuff, but that’s been the best increase to defense without breaking the bank.
While you don’t NEED barrows top and legs to farm them it will make the grind so much better. I completed the quest with 70 combats in rune gear on my iron but there’s no way in hell I’m doing any farming until I get some tank top and legs from barrows.
On my GIM I didn’t even start farming them until I got my berserker ring, barrows gloves, and fire cape just to make them that much easier.
You need defense more than prayer. Torag > Verac, don’t listen to dumb people in the comments. If your prayer is running out too fast then go train it before doing pvm content.
As everyone said, get barrows armor, also get an obsidian shield, similar strength increase with higher defense stats
Should you? Nahhhhh
I use nezy helmet obsidian plate and legs with the shield and I do just fine 70 in all combat stats
Mod rice said he made Moons of Peril so that barrows still had a purpose, it’s in the design to use tank armour
Not in void.
Moons are different from other bosses. The more they hit you, the slower your kills are. As a result, tank armour is disproportionately valuable here.
They also have low defense versus their weak style. As a result, your accuracy, while still important, is less important than your strength bonus.
As a result, you should try to wear barrows armour, barrows gloves, strength amulet, and a good shield (obby shield > dragon defender unless speccing)
The good news id thay this equipment is dirt cheap. You can sell the ring to pay for all of it. If you don't have barrows gloves unlocked, then combat bracelet will do just fine. You can replace the ring with a Ring of Steel. Alternatively, you can sell the fury for the armour.
You will also want glacial temotli for blue moon.
You got this. Have some fun out thete
You can but you'll be stopping a lot more for supplies between each moon
For a noob I'd recommend
HEAD SLOT: Neitiznot -> Verac's helm
CAPE SLOT: Fire cape -> Ardougne cloak 2+
NECK SLOT: Fury -> Glory
AMMUNITION SLOT: Rada's Blessing 2+ -> any blessing
WEAPON SLOT: Zombie axe + Belle's folly -> Just zombie axe
CHEST SLOT: Torag's chestplate
OFF-HAND SLOT: Dragon defender
LEGS SLOT: Torag's platelegs
GLOVES SLOT: Barrows gloves -> Dragon gloves
BOOTS SLOT: Dragon boots
RING SLOT: Steel ring/berserker ring
Just send it, if you need to go do some barrows go do some barrows. Have fun do what you wanna do
I've been using rune armor with ~65 def for 30 kc or so, barrows isn't 100% necessary
Nah go get barrows armor and a stab and slash weapon recommend bells for stab and Arkan for slash
The fury is good however if you need cash you can sell
Torags top and bottom nezzy helm dboots barrows gloves. If you have fire cape hooray, if not ardy cape or even better obby cape for more tank. Or even mixed hide cape for STR bonus, rune or dragon defender. Or dfs/obby shield. You'll need stab for eclipse, fang/belles (I'm unaware of price)/ zammy hasta. Crush for Blue Moon. Zombie axe on crush/zammy hasta on crush mode/saracnis cudgel Slash for blood. If you're gunna get stuck it'll be here. Aby whip/D Scim/ zombie axe on slash. I really insist on a 4 tick over a 5 tick for this guy as his healing mechanics are BRUTAL.
Bring Dragon dagger if you want to spec for all of em it's slash but it's good enough.
Piety is going to be your best friend here it's doable with the 3 prayers but piety is such a huge step up and will give you a lot in return.
Best of luck you got this and this boss has really good drop rate and some fantastic value weapons. Go get em tiger.
Keep your current gear. Get the void knight mage helm and go barrows with a wind spell. Farm your own tank set and sell any duplicates or ahrims/karils. You’ll profit and gain a bunch of mage xp
Barrows gear like torags would be plenty, or guthans for the set effect isn't bad either.
Rune armor at 80 Def is absolutely fine, that's what I had and I blew through it effortlessly. Don't need barrows armor or anything else, maybe bring a kiteshield if bloodmoon is bothering you but you'll be fine without. Definitely recommend getting piety, at the least chivalry and steelskin Gear : Rune Body/Legs : Helm of Netiznot : Barrows Gloves : Fire Cape
Unless you have Godley dps the blood moon boss will be annoying with void, that one will likely cut through you like butter causing plenty of heals.
Would reccomend going and grabbing a void mage head at PC, an air battlestaff and go farm barrows for tank pieces, then go moons
Not in void, you’d be better off using barrows legs, fighter torso/bloodmoon chestplate, neitiznot, and obby shield.
Void gives about the same defense bonus as adamant, you would get diddled by blood moon. In the Perilous moon’s defense trumps straight dps setups as each moon has a mechanic that makes them harder depending on how much damage you take. Prot prayers don’t work.
Billybobs complaining about moons being too difficult is peak r/cutenoobs
You're gonna get smoked wearing this. It's possible but you gonna have a really rough and un enjoyable time.
Idk, can you?
I recommend the steel ring from deranged archeologist. Super easy to obtain and mega useful for blood moon
This is fine. People suggest barrows because it will be easier, but having to do weeks of barrows for the set you want is boring as shit. I really don’t like barrows. You could start off with scurrius for bossing mechanics, like 20-50 kills is easy and you get great rune drops for money. But you can send it with this can still make decent money. Plus bone shards for prayer, and you could always get lucky and get a full set of gear from here early on. So screw the masses! Do what you want!!!
Need more defense
You can just run barrows until you either get tank srmor or afford tank armor.
Easily, but get like some Tammy stuff because blood suuuucckkkks if you don’t have some tank gear
Blood moon has a mechanic that steals life when it hits you so I'd recommend tank armour like rune plate or barrows tank gear. Void is good hybrid set but is notoriously low defense so gonna be a struggle on blood moon
sell your fury, use that cash to buy Torags helm, torags plate body, torags plate legs, and a rune square shield. That’s your set up. Use zombie axe for all 3 bosses, switch it to crush for the ice one and use it on slash for the other 2. Good luck have fun