Of all the maps in all of the cs to complain about not playing vertigo is the hill you chose to die on? This community is fucked.
I've not played contra in over a decade for fucksake. We have had a month of mill/tuscan relatively recently and it was so good and a month of season like a decade ago. That's it.
"This community is fucked" for what? Being upset they can't play a map they enjoy? Its a game at the end of the day and if thats what they enjoy playing, who are you to hate.
Uhhhhh Why hasn't anyone given the correct answer wtf?
The reason is pro play, it's idiotic to ask orgs to prep for idk 10 maps, and spectators to familiarise themselves with a lot of those 10 maps to understand what's going on in the match.
Premier / Faceit "simulate" pro play, there's a ton of maps available in competitive (I think).
Then you have all the other reasons as, it would make premier even more annoying, you alr have ppl that don't know certain maps, you want to expand that?
And it wouldn't change anything for the 90% of cases you aren't queueing with a 5 stack, it would still be the same 3 maps just by veto.
Any reasonable human being would hire more good devs to meet the demand of their really lucrative game. But that would mean giving away a bigger piece of the pie to more people, and Vavle can't have that.
Because they havent even optimized the ones that are currently live. Inferno on casual runs like absolute dogshit after 2-3 rounds, no matter what hardware.
it would make matchmaking too sparse. imagine dozens of competitive maps with 100 players playing and queueing on them max. some maps would just have no players at all and that can be exploited as well (and I don't think we need even more bot-players, dm is already filled with them).
one solution would be to take a valo route and make competitive mode have a random map, while leaving all the rest modes as-is. but that would mean removing per-map ranks and I doubt they would want to do that.
edit: but for other modes, yeah, it's stupid that they don't add more maps.
thats not true. you have ONE match making for premier regardless of maps. same on faceit. if you have map votes it doesnt matter if there are 7 maps or 10. 10 maps would be nice in the map pick
Just make it like dangerzones queue, the maps rotate or something, I'd rather have a queue of all fun community maps for both wingman and mm instead of just having 2
Kernel level is already succumbing to DMA cheats. Valves system, while currently bad, could be the future and only source of anti cheat when cheats run outside of your pc hardware.
AI anti cheat sucks right now, but as it gets better I imagine it will take over competitive shooters in the next few years. I am more happy that a popular shooter is trying to revolutionize AC (even if failing) in hopes for a much better model down the road
Im just not a fan of the maps where its just eaxh team stands across from each other just blasting. The maps we have right now make it really hard to flank the enemy which is not fun imo. At least on safe house you can go upstairs and hide, lake you can go into eh water or around the perimeter, and monetary is just a total different beast.
Lakehouse was sooo goood as a wingman map, I miss breaking all the windows because the enemy and I both saw each other and we’re both desperately spraying trying to hit each other lol
I swear WM defaults to inferno if you have it ticked too. After 3 games in a row we untick it and then we usually get Nuke. It goes from right to left.
Now we just untick each map after we get it to ensure we play them all.
I miss HIVE the most. So much fun going for scout HS in those long halls :).
STOP SAYING SH1T ABOUT INFERNO, IF YOU CANT PLAY THE MAP YOU ARE JUST BAD. DONT REMOVE ANOTHER MAP I LOVE JUST BECAUSE SKILL ISSUE, (rip vertigo, rip anubis)
Inferno on wingman is 10000% more palatable than the absolute dogshit soul crushing ball exploding experience that is T side de_nuke wingman. I really like Inferno on wingman A site feels very natural and both CT and T side have a lot of options for offense and defense
We still play them! We ran a CS:GO wingman contest at the weekend for a pair of Shadow Daggers with Lake in the pool. It got banned but we had some great practice matches on it. Work's great for Wingman.
Honestly, the real reason CS2 does not have that many maps has to be a higher standard of quality and consistency across the board. I think Valve is trying to differentiate CS2 from GO by making sure everywhere you look is extremely high quality. Textures, props, sounds, even clipping (lol) are supposed to be much better and it just takes a lot of time to bring old maps up to the CS2 standard since they pretty much have to be rebuilt for source 2 and CS2 quality standards. If they had a larger team then it would obviously be a different story, but we all know how lean valve is. This is just how it is, the upside is that every new (or returning) map is very exciting.
i think all 3 of those maps are ass. there are much better maps in the workshop that need to be given a chance. especially dust, it is very horrible map for current day CS
I don’t understand,
Why can’t they just fucking add more maps into the map pools, instead of always rotating one out and one new one in?
For example, fkers in first Map Pool almost always vote for Dust 2 all the damn time.
Same! So stupid, so many great maps, including community maps that were just temporarily in CSGO. Bring back at least Cobblestone!!!
Also stupid that they now merged Dust II with groups alpha maps, I haven’t played Vertigo for weeks because those jerks vote for Dust or Mirage only.
Of all the maps in all of the cs to complain about not playing vertigo is the hill you chose to die on? This community is fucked.
I've not played contra in over a decade for fucksake. We have had a month of mill/tuscan relatively recently and it was so good and a month of season like a decade ago. That's it.
No I am talking about Defusal group alpha atm. Have been playing for 20 years
No one knows what that is. It's not a faceit queue, community server or a premier queue.
You chose to die on vertigo. Silly boy.
Its casual
And what's the problem if someone enjoys playing vertigo, silly boy?
ngl season and tuscan are both really amazing
"This community is fucked" for what? Being upset they can't play a map they enjoy? Its a game at the end of the day and if thats what they enjoy playing, who are you to hate.
No one enjoys Vertigo. Make a real argument.
I enjoy vertigo, thats my real argument. Along with the guy that just said he enjoys vertigo, along with everyone that chooses to que it.
I fucking love vertigo it’s a great map
I know right, the "verticallity" of the map is what makes me love it.
Uhhhhh Why hasn't anyone given the correct answer wtf?
The reason is pro play, it's idiotic to ask orgs to prep for idk 10 maps, and spectators to familiarise themselves with a lot of those 10 maps to understand what's going on in the match.
Premier / Faceit "simulate" pro play, there's a ton of maps available in competitive (I think).
Then you have all the other reasons as, it would make premier even more annoying, you alr have ppl that don't know certain maps, you want to expand that?
And it wouldn't change anything for the 90% of cases you aren't queueing with a 5 stack, it would still be the same 3 maps just by veto.
There is only one reason. And it's an idiotic one at that: Money.
It needs devs, servers, infrastructure and 'other' employees to maintain and serve more maps with todays load/expectations.
And having expanded to China, I don't see them making the mappool larger any time soon.
As much as I and most others here adore Gaben/Valve, they do seem greedy.
We are talking about valve money isnt a problem valve time is
Any reasonable human being would hire more good devs to meet the demand of their really lucrative game. But that would mean giving away a bigger piece of the pie to more people, and Vavle can't have that.
Even if they are greedy, with the money they have, this would be nothing for them, it makes no sense
Because they havent even optimized the ones that are currently live. Inferno on casual runs like absolute dogshit after 2-3 rounds, no matter what hardware.
it would make matchmaking too sparse. imagine dozens of competitive maps with 100 players playing and queueing on them max. some maps would just have no players at all and that can be exploited as well (and I don't think we need even more bot-players, dm is already filled with them).
one solution would be to take a valo route and make competitive mode have a random map, while leaving all the rest modes as-is. but that would mean removing per-map ranks and I doubt they would want to do that.
edit: but for other modes, yeah, it's stupid that they don't add more maps.
thats not true. you have ONE match making for premier regardless of maps. same on faceit. if you have map votes it doesnt matter if there are 7 maps or 10. 10 maps would be nice in the map pick
I'm talking about competitive, not premier. "dozens of maps" is not possible there because it's tied to e-sports.
10 premier maps would be nice though. you're right on that.
Just make it like dangerzones queue, the maps rotate or something, I'd rather have a queue of all fun community maps for both wingman and mm instead of just having 2
fuck dust1 was fun
I remember playing shell shockers where they just ported dust 1 as a map into the game
no it was not
Cobblestone😩
Russka, Lite, Contra, Fire, Seaside. All amazing maps I'd love to see come back.
Thrill, Marquis, Aztek, Studio, Breach... 😭 Valve... Pls.......
sameee
Nostalgia is so strong with this one cuz cobble sucked and everyone hated playing it.
Cobble was the single best map until it was castrated around 2017.
WarOwl killed it.
And he still has no closure.
I'd murder someone to get Lake back
Lake, Bank, Safehouse. 🥹
Seems excessive
It takes them legit 1 year to make 1 map. Its so embarrassing
2+ years since launch and we still don’t have an updated anti-cheat either
I mean they never had a proper anti cheat in csgo either. They just dont want to make one
…you don’t think they’ve updated the anti cheat?
I get the callout for Valves inaction but VAC is actively being updated.
If you’re looking for a replacement anti cheat, then yea expect to wait a loooong time
https://preview.redd.it/5xouyf0alf6g1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c1ab18fad0a0bd99a17e87cd77eb4a686f0bbe2
I get it, but what other game has non-kernel-level anticheat that's good for a popular shooter?
None. All other games utilize kernel level anti-cheat and some of them are extremely good at its job.
CS2 is an outlier and is one of the worst non-kernel anticheats.
"one of the worst non-kernel anticheats," but you just said there are no other non-kernel anticheats that are good for popular shooters?
I commend Valve's testament to privacy despite common trend, however, it would be nice if it worked a bit better lol
It doesn't work, they just have trust factor to compensate
Kernel level is already succumbing to DMA cheats. Valves system, while currently bad, could be the future and only source of anti cheat when cheats run outside of your pc hardware.
AI anti cheat sucks right now, but as it gets better I imagine it will take over competitive shooters in the next few years. I am more happy that a popular shooter is trying to revolutionize AC (even if failing) in hopes for a much better model down the road
Meanwhile you have games like rivals..pumping out new maps heros, cosmetics...every few months not even
valve is so lazy...sitting on their case money and twiddling thumbs
They murdered arms race. They added back only the worst maps. Lake and safe house were GOAT'd
Monastery tho
Yeees, I don't know how I forgot about that one. That one is also amazing
they only added arms race for the sake of adding arms race.
camping in the second floor and knifing the whole lobby was so fun in safehouse. the horrors i have heard.
RIP iceworld
I like Pool Day but it's mad they got rid of ALL the best maps. We still play CS:GO AR and it's way more fun.
Im just not a fan of the maps where its just eaxh team stands across from each other just blasting. The maps we have right now make it really hard to flank the enemy which is not fun imo. At least on safe house you can go upstairs and hide, lake you can go into eh water or around the perimeter, and monetary is just a total different beast.
Seaside
Assault, Aztec, Cobble, Crackhouse, PoolDay, breakfloor, Piranesi, Dust1, and Scouts&Knives all hold a special place in my broken heart
de_rats
but for competitive play Russka, Contra, and Lite would be so fucking awesome to see again. it's been so long since I've played those maps lmao.
Rats 😭😭
Russka 🫡 - what a throwback
BRING. BACK. DEMO-.LITION. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
Like honest to god why is it taking them years to implement Lake. IT WAS REVEALED IN THE PREVIEW IMAGES OF CS2
Dust 1 was legendary. Started the whole 5v5 site bomb plant game mode.
So they tease lake, and now idk long after release its still not in the game
Man I miss OG Dust, had such a blast playing this map back in the day!
I also miss Rialto and Lakehouse. But Dust1 doesn't have to return ngl
shortdust the wingman map is goated
I thought dust 1 was better than dust 2 but that’s just me
I liked dust1. It is more of a fun map than competitive
I think it had a better flow for competitive. Dust 2 just gets tiring after a few thousand hours
dust 1 is horribly unbalanced and doesn't make any sense at all from a competitive cs standpoint tbh lol.
Lakehouse was sooo goood as a wingman map, I miss breaking all the windows because the enemy and I both saw each other and we’re both desperately spraying trying to hit each other lol
Why not? Map's probably older than you
Wait they remade dust I in Source 2??? Since when???
It was in csgo and it was only a wingman map, so way smaller
ah so like the previous wingman dust 1 but with the csgo dust 2 remake assets
is the top right picture Canals? or was i the only one who loved that map
How many times people would joke about Anals while voting for the next map…
it used to be my fav map
Aztec was missing ;/
Aztec or gtfo.
My old love was cs assault
I don't know why casual isn't used as a testing ground.
Maps dont have to be ready for Budapest the moment it releases. Throw it in casual and make balance changes.
Hostage maps aren't having an effect on comp, throw some fun shit in there ffs.
Dust1 was GREAT, I don't understand why can't they bring it back at least for casual and deathmatch
Miss 1.6 tuscan
And chalice 💕
Guys i forgot name of map so its winter uhh it has 2 big tankers 1 house and CT has underground thing on spwan
Militia
Thanks!
palais was such a banger too. the new wingman maps dont come close
I like Inferno
Lake, Safehouse and Monastary 😭
Cobble, shortdust, lake and old vertigo always in my heart
We need arms race maps back. Also let us use all the skins we have in arms race wtf
Lake was goated map!
God i fucking miss lake
I miss Lake so much in Arms Race.
All I want is Lake. PLEASE!!
People still hasnt realized the importance of assault.
De_rats ,De_dust 1 ,ct_assault , De_Cache , De_westwood , De_cubblestone for me .
I cant describe how much i miss Chache
Dust I is lowkey an awful map, but it might've been the most fun map in all of CS:GO.
also sick to death of mirage and dust 2 with nuke or overpass here and there once in a blue moon
Gogogogo
Bring back rialto
Wait the bottom map is real? I thought i was going insane. Whats it called, i used to play it so long ago.
de_dust
shortdust
The game fucking declines all of the time. Their "experiment" with Danger Zone should be considered successful, I really enjoyed the mode.
I swear WM defaults to inferno if you have it ticked too. After 3 games in a row we untick it and then we usually get Nuke. It goes from right to left.
Now we just untick each map after we get it to ensure we play them all.
I miss HIVE the most. So much fun going for scout HS in those long halls :).
My dumb ass is heavily into osrs and thought you were talking about not wanting to inferno and rooftop agility courses lol.
I miss canals, royal, tulip
I grew up on Canals. I need it back😭
Rialto🫶
Cache 🥺
Dust1 would be so amazing on cs2
deny!
no one ever talks about apollo ...
What's the third map? I've only been playing since late csgo period
Lake (Top left), Rialto (top right), Short dust (bottom)
STOP SAYING SH1T ABOUT INFERNO, IF YOU CANT PLAY THE MAP YOU ARE JUST BAD. DONT REMOVE ANOTHER MAP I LOVE JUST BECAUSE SKILL ISSUE, (rip vertigo, rip anubis)
Inferno on wingman is 10000% more palatable than the absolute dogshit soul crushing ball exploding experience that is T side de_nuke wingman. I really like Inferno on wingman A site feels very natural and both CT and T side have a lot of options for offense and defense
I’d love to have those maps back for death match
Shortdust/Rialto chad maps
Insertion :(
COBBLE : (
Cache, Estate, Assault
cbble, aztec, cache for me
Cobblestone and shortdust is my favorite in wingman 😭😩
Safehouse :(
Black Gold ❤️🩹
Guard and elysion too
please leave inferno alone its a good map better take overpass and train out mirage too
We still play them! We ran a CS:GO wingman contest at the weekend for a pair of Shadow Daggers with Lake in the pool. It got banned but we had some great practice matches on it. Work's great for Wingman.
I personally dont wanna play dust II. That map is dogshit. Im fine with mirage and inferno
this is about wingman tho
You didn’t specify. Didnt know, i thought rooftop was some map u could queue in comp. I dont play that often
i miss danger zone
Still waiting for shortdust to comeback
Bring back de_shortdust(dust1) !
I’d rather wait more and ban maps (like in Prem/Faceit) for Wingman than play one more round of B site Nuke or Inferno.
Honestly, the real reason CS2 does not have that many maps has to be a higher standard of quality and consistency across the board. I think Valve is trying to differentiate CS2 from GO by making sure everywhere you look is extremely high quality. Textures, props, sounds, even clipping (lol) are supposed to be much better and it just takes a lot of time to bring old maps up to the CS2 standard since they pretty much have to be rebuilt for source 2 and CS2 quality standards. If they had a larger team then it would obviously be a different story, but we all know how lean valve is. This is just how it is, the upside is that every new (or returning) map is very exciting.
Bring back Palais
Cache 🤤
i think all 3 of those maps are ass. there are much better maps in the workshop that need to be given a chance. especially dust, it is very horrible map for current day CS