I am loosing my friend to alcoholism and I don't know what to do.
He is a brilliant guy and a teacher. He could do much better, but messed up at few points in life. He lost the custody of his kid in divorce. He went for treatment more than a dozen times. He relapsed again and again.
Two days back, I took him to the doctor. He got the prescription and told me he will start from the next morning. I didn't meet him yesterday. Today I came to his place an found him dead drunk. He drank 3 bottles of whiskey in 48 hours and no food. I am at the end of my wits. What should I do? How can I help him from killing himself by drinking?
You’re asking a bunch of CAs how to stop drinking?
that’s very kind that you care for your friend. It’s cliche but true that people can’t be helped until they WANT help. I believe there’s a sub - al anon - that’s like support for friends and family of addicts, prob has some advice
It's cliche but absolutely true. Ultimatums just create animosity and lead to lying and mistrust. If the user wants to quit then they can but someone trying to get them to quit is like banging their head against the wall.
That being said, I hope OP's friend makes a change for the sake of his kids. I know it contradicts what I just said but it can still be the wakeup call he needs. Kids should not have to grow up without a father.
I empathize with OP. Having been on the other end of this situation and getting interventions is hell on everybody but do what you've gotta do.
Might wanna try r/dryalcoholics which is more for cutting back and quitting. CA is about support but not quitting (though if someone is dying because of booze it is an obvious exception but I still try not to preach).
You should send him here. We can't help him stop but we know all about damage control. We will encourage him to eat, take certain vitamins, electrolytes. He can hang with us fosho. Really though this sub has helped me drink in a way that's less damaging to my body and mind.
I mean there’s nothing you can do until he is serious about sobering up. 3 bottles in 2 days is not sustainable in the long run and until he wants to change there’s not much you can do. You can continue being a supportive friend and maybe suggest therapy but it’s a tough battle. A friend of mine was drinking a bottle a day for years on end and couldn’t hold down a job or relationship and it took him getting a nasty DUI to wake up and kick the habit. Everyone has there rock bottom where change happens more often than not.
Truth to be told: When someone doesn't want to stop, doesn't have the determination to get sober, there's nothing you can do to save him. I'm sorry, i wish i could tell you something else, but there's no way to force sobriety on someone.
Even when people get confronted with red lines as ultimatums, it doesn't work out in the long term. They will relapse sooner or later, just after the detox and rehab.
The only way is talking to him and when he makes the decision to get sober, then support him in every way you can.
To echo others, im sorry your friend is going through this. But this is a sub for those who are in the same position as your friend, not those who have...or want to escape from it. Its our own personal hell. Matter of fact, 2 things just happened in the last 30 mins and im about to go drink some emergency whisky in the toilets at work.
He’s at the “fuck it” point, it’s gonna take a lot of your health and time to try to dig someone out of that and have them get better. I’ve seen it before and it takes a lot of money and care to take care of someone like that. As cliche as it is they’ll get better only if they actually want to
He will need people to support him and help him get sober if/when he hits bottom. The hardest part is hitting bottom but realizing you have no reason to sober up...
At the very least having some decent friends around gives you something to care about besides yourself and the bottle, when that time comes. Unfortunately this may need to run its course until then. However, trying to come by to help clean him up, feed him and make him feel slightly more human and cared for can help another CA start to care for themselves a little.
So I still hang out here because this is a good group of people, but as kindly as I can say this, you may be a little lost.
I actually am sober right now and I needed a medical detox and a very understanding workplace. If your friend has those two things, and actually wants to stop, then they can. If he doesn’t want to stop, there’s not anything you can do.
Kind of piggy backing off this. I was in the hospital with hepatitis and was basically told you’re gonna get cirrhosis if not already.
What did I do? Went on a month long bender
What made me stop? Me and me only. Your friend needs to want to stop.
if hes lucky. eventually itll get so bad that the pain from drinking will be worse than the pain hes drinking FOR, and he'll quit.
Same
The sad truth is, you can't.
You can't do it for this person. They have to want it themselves.
The best advice I can give you is to step away and live your own life.
The alcoholic will take everything and everyone down with them if you stick around long enough.
That's it.
You being there for them will help. No one will blame you for walking away. But if you chose to keep trying to help they will appreciate it even if they don't say. You will be helping even if it doesn't feel. And hopefully they chose to get sober before they are completely ruined or death
You can't pull someone out of this. Or at least you can, and then they'll throw themselves right back in again. He's got to do it for himself.
So deal with everything but the drinking. Water, food, supplements. Be there for him as much as you feel you can be. But don't set yourself on fire to keep somebody else warm because, unfortunately, that doesn't work.
For what it's worth, more time sober is in my opinion what helps the most. That can be 6 weeks in a row or it can be 3 days lots of times over. Take care of yourself, too.
What does 3 bottles mean, like what size bottles? How long have they been doing this? Have they had health problems yet? Do they have family? Lots of people die from this, i came damn close.
Not a lot. Take them some food, vitamins, milk thistle standardized extract 175mg, another bottle if they are detoxing and talk to your friend. Let them know they are loved. As someone already said they hit fuck it mode and its usually a bad place to be. The forces at work are usually stronger than the will to get better.
I'd guess 70-75 cl
Just talk to them and lay it out. Have a small bottle with you if its needed would be awesome. Detoxing can be deadly. Family is really the only thing who can legally do something, other than your friend themselves.
When the bottle gets us in it's grips there isnt much anyone can do, its up to them. Sorry to hear this and you sound like a good friend to try and help.
It's not a hugely popular opinion but myself and many many many many others have used kratom to get off of alcohol. It's been 6 years and I'll never go back, where every other measure failed kratom excelled, my life almost immediately transformed when I started taking it. Feel free to DM me.
I keep seeing this nonsense all over the sub, the rules state not LARPing for sketchy substitutions dude. Kratom is not good for people with seizure history and the withdrawals—esp from 7OH—are terrible.
God bless
No one is arguing that. Pretty much everything is safer than alcohol. Doesn’t discount what I said.
Edit to your edit: I’m 913 days sober, fucker. The point is you shouldn’t be giving this advice to a naive normie in order to “help” his friend. Literally rule 15, bro