Spoilers ahead for the whole Cosmere.
Hoid’s Torment prevents him from harming other people, but it’s clearly not just about intent. He can still cause psychological harm, and in his encounter with Kelsier, Hoid was sure he was hurting him, yet Kelsier’s non-living state somehow made it possible. Hoid’s surprise there suggests he can’t physically attack living people at all.
Nomad, who has the same Torment, couldn’t even hold a weapon, while Hoid never had that problem. That could be individual variation in how the Dawnshard manifests, or because Nomad is too well aware how to cause a harm, or maybe Hoid just have better imagination to consider the weapon a part of his costume.
So here’s the question: could Hoid bang a virgin? Tearing the hymen can happen during vaginal sex and could count as harm, even if it doesn’t occur in every case. Depending on anatomy, could the Torment prevent penetration altogether?
Similarly, lack of natural lubrication can cause microtears or fissures. And what about anal sex? Being the top often leads to anal fissures without enough lube. Since lube probably isn’t common everywhere in the Cosmere, does Hoid always carry some, or would the Torment stop him?
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Adanolsium-should-have-smited-us-years-ago
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Im sorry
Sanderson level character development. Now Say The Words.
"Say The Words, Bart!"
It‘s actually the past participle here, which is „smitten“ (if you want to correct people, do it correctly).
Smitten?
This would definitely get a RAFO from brando sando, you sick bastard.
“You people”
Had me in the first half, didn't even notice what sub this was until my jaw hit the floor
(Edit: Oathbringer spoilers.)
Hoid has bonded a spren that allows him access to Soulcasting, so he can always create lube when it's needed. Not something he's gonna need to worry about.
I'M A STICK
But you could be butt lube l!
Be fire
Actually,can he bypass his torment by directly soulcasting someone?We don't truly know the specifics of his Torment,but maybe he can't cause pain rather than harm others,in which case a way to execute someone painlessly may be possible for him
He cant even eat meat, so I think painless killing is out.
Perhaps he assumes that the animals was killed in a way that caused pain?There are very few ways to kill things painlessly in the cosmere,(only one of the things I can think of is soul casting someone directly,but there are probably a few more ways) so that it is extremely likely the animals experienced pain while dying.I think I saw a WoB states that if someone convinced Hoid a piece of meat was lab-grown he could eat it
Oathbringer
Thank you!
Bad day not be a devoted Vorin man.
So your wife read this to you??
r/gotohornybraize. Bonk
Fuck you. My daughter just asked what I was laughing about and I couldn't think of a single thing to explain this travesty
Flair checks out
God that probably pissed her off lmao
The hymen doesn't have to be ripped, it's a common misconception
Sorry, if it wasn't clear in the text.
Yes, it doesn't have to be ripped yet might be. Will it stop Hoid from penetrating if in exactly that case it would be ripped?
You could hurt someone from doing anything potentially. It's how you think about it
People seriously overestimate the presence of hymens
https://i.redd.it/mo4kgbw0hm9g1.gif
Oh Stormfather
Jasnah might have been a virgin so maybe
otoh, her comments immediately after she kills the thieves in Kharbranth...
WoK ch36
She's a scholar. She must have had some research if she needs more of such activity
Exactly, surely she needed a physical exploration of female anatomy
WAT, SM, Warbreaker
My theory is the dawnshard torment is very similar to how Honor starts to create a mind of its own. It wants to fulfill its command, but it doesn’t really know what that means. Same thing with nightblood. It’s told to destroy evil, but it needs interpretation. VERY Slowly, it starts to be able to make those decisions on its own , which is why the torment is such a stickler about being physical humans. It has decided on lines that make just enough sense.
So could Hoid fuck a virgin? Depends on what the infant Torment’s latent investiture thinks. I doubt it understands well enough to know that that’s harm.
Good idea, but I'd make the opposite conclusion: more likely infant Torment decides that you don't penetrate other humans, metal or meat sword — doesn't matter.
But what if they REALLY want to and it’s SO obvious that they don’t think it would hurt them
Except that he has it in RoW and WaT when he's banging Jasnah
We don't know it. They had sex but it might have been not penetrative with Hoid as a top.
r/dalinargetthefire
This is an extremely important question that we must get Brandon Sando himself to answer.
Another related question, if he self deludes himself into thinking that he isn’t really hurting people then can he kill?
It's like the Pete Holmes Batman, "Moash fell asleep, lil fella's all tuckered out!"
That’s kinda the reverse of the Kelsier situation, so I’m guessing not?
I’m saying this with love, OP:
The hymen is not a Freshness Seal™️. You’d have to not only account for (normal variations in) individual women’s anatomy, but their state of arousal.
I really need dudes to understand this….
Also can be broken in many ways through physical activity or physical trauma.
Thank you for spreading knowledge (not ironically, I agree this is a stupid myth).
My wording is proven to be bad! I meant that during penetrative sex if by some reason there is not enough lube (lack of arousal or just physiology), some physical harm might be caused.
Would Torment prevent Hoid from penetrating in such a case? Or from penetrating in all the cases? Could it stop him in the middle of process if at this point it started being harmful even if the partner is fine?
We would have to have some really intense info on pleasure and pain and where the line is between them. (But many thanks for the correction.)
Another scenario: I LOVE deep tissue massages. Beat me up. Let me feel like I’ve had the flu and got hit by a bus afterward. My husband? Less so. That’s an activity that crosses into pain with less pressure for him.
When you’re talking about sex, a lot of the pleasure has to do with friction levels being exactly right. Obviously too much friction is a major problem and can injure folks, regardless of gender. But the right amount of friction is pretty individual-specific.
And now that friction has come up, let the Edgedancers slide.
Could he shake a woman’s hand? He could unintentionally crush their hand!
Likely answer is that the force needed to do such a thing would be small enough that the power wouldn’t do anything
If he had knowledge of this beforehand then perhaps not
This is wild. Hoid couldn’t have sex if he knew she was a virgin…but if the intent of both of them was love…maybe?
What did I just read
I haven't been to cremposting in several years because I low-key forgot about this subreddit. This is a fantastic post, I have no input really on the subject, but this is spectacular and gave me a good giggle. Thank you.
Well that took a sharp left turn.
I thought I was in the actual sub gdi.
We've not seen all of Hoids abilities yet but we do know he's been gathering many from different worlds for a long time now.
He had lesser version of Lightweaving before he bonded a spren so he could well have lubrication powers similar to Edgedancers already as well.
Adonalsium-will-remember-our-plight-eventually-never-fucking-mind-we're-alone-on-this-one.
My proposal for a threnodite name
I didn't see the subreddit until the second paragraph hit me like a Greatshell. Adonalsium was right to abandon us.
It'd stop him if it was aware of the potential I guess, now go home
Hoid isn’t a virgin, he’s just bad at sex. See Jasnah realizing she’s heteroromantic not heterosexual after sleeping with him.
You didnt even go into BDSM. Shame.
“Since lube probably isnt common everywhere”
Bro almost any nut oil can be safely used as lube, I don’t think you’re old enough to be asking these questions
Nomad's Torment get worse because he keeps fighting against it and trying to cause harm. Hoid doesn't so his doesn't.
He's aware for Kelsier that it won't cause him any real harm, and only hurts him because he imagines it should hurt, so he's able to attack him.
Addressing it seriously, I feel like capital I Intent matters in determining actions, not necessarily effects. Tearing the hymen to hurt the vagina haver would probably not work, but usually intercourse is done with a not harmful intent.
The reason workarounds don't exist for long is because you can't really trick your own intentions.
Hoid probably could trick his own intentions tbf.
Also imagine how annoying sex would be if stormlight regrew the hymen each time
He already banged a virgin remember?
Motherfucker... 😂 I did not see which sub this was. You got me good.
Fucking hell that took a turn
Some things are too gross for even cremposting and misunderstanding/being a creep about womens bodies is near the top.
Hoid bottom confirmed.
i thought this would be some interesting, thought provoking shit for the first half but okay
The begining of the question did not prepare me for the question itself in any way...
But I would assume he can, at least if he's the bottom
R/gotohornybraize