Does not matter what side you choose, both sides are absolutely disgusting.
Two Men were filming Bu** Secks in a Senate hearing room; and nobody on either side batted an eye.
Thats all you need to know to form final judgement in 2025. The entire united states government has complicity in hideous sexual crimes conducted on both aisles.
The US government is spoiled, its a rotten putrid apple.
George Washington would projectile vomit on every US politician if he were alive today. Every single one of them.
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There's one side pretending to be two, and they're all bought and blackmailed.
This^ they all play for the same team but want us divided.
Which is unfortunate, I honestly don't know how we get outta this. It's not like we can vote our way out. Cause whoever is in power is either a corrupt psycho or a corrupt psycho.
We, as Americans should be revolting and throwing these people out from their luxurious government buildings and on their asses on the street.
Sadly, we aren't United as Citizens. We're fighting amongst each other in terms of party lines, race, culture, and even the sexes are fighting against each other. We are not on the same page at all and it's all by design.
With the government/media/education system creating blocks of people that don't agree, us being being sick and fat, and distracted by stupid apps and entertainment...it's gonna be really hard.
Divide and conquer isn't just some saying...
Take heart. We’re not exempt from history happening while we’re here. Change never happens overnight, but we’re seeing an acceleration of change at the individual level that people are finally putting the pieces together and making a way back to common decency.
I have to stay focused on hope, because this is the only experience we have for better or worse and I would rather be nowhere else than screaming my opposition and marching with my neighbors, when it comes down to it.
Even if we don't agree on everything, I got your back if you've got mine. 🇺🇸
Anti-establishment patriot club 🇺🇸 this country can do so much better not only than it currently is [terrible], but also than it ever has been. There have always been struggles for power and legislation during cultural changes, and i don't think we're exempt here. It may be a bit more nebulous of a change than say the civil rights movement, but the majority of people are starting to not trust the old guard.
Lets build out Matrix and Stoat communities online focused on getting things done so people can join to do as well. As a 3rd space online where we can do, grow, inform, strengthen each other, change things for the better, build community countrywide, etc.
I have more love and loyalty to my fellow workers and consumers who toil to keep this whole thing running regardless of their ideology than I will ever have for any political party or ruling class ghoul. Unite or die!
The future is clear then. The true country men and women bleed for each other.
Actually, some people say if literally everyone didn't go into work and didn't buy anything for 3 days. That's all it would take completely destroy the foundations of our government and the bullshit stock market.
Which at that's point everyone (I mean everyone) marches together to the capital and we take back our government. There would be nothing they could do except violence and with a crowd that large it would be futile.
We need a leader and/or organiser to start this. And refuse the inevitable government intervention if they find out about it too early.
Literally the entire purpose of identity politics, culture war BS. They got us fighting over the seeds we can pick out of turds while they live lives of disgusting opulent excess and debauchery
It almost has to come from the military to get out of it. Still an overwhelming decision to make. Nothing will ever happen from human intevention IMO.
I would rather see them in jail than in the streets
Personally I prefer under the jail
Yet the divided and conquered always seem to act like it didn't apply to them
The power of the people will always be greater than the people in power don’t ever forget it.
The only way we can get out of this is thru communication. It’s also why they are fighting against free speech soooooo hard right now and fighting for complete media censorship (with the purchase of TikTok by Oracle last week brings us one step closer). Soon they will do the same with Reddit because it’s currently a space that allows people to come together to communicate freely and relatively uncensored (for now). Same with Discord, YouTube, and ultimately all streaming platforms where likeminded people can meet and communicate with one another.
There’s actually working class politicians at the very local level that I have hope for. Both parties. But idk how good they can really be. But not all hope is lost
Literally been waiting for this to happen since 1987. That it has continued and accelerated to where we are now is stunning. But people seem to love their slavery and continue to put their controllers upon pedestals. As long as their "Team" wins all is good.
Let's refer to Nepal?
Don’t forget everyone wants to come home and watch Netflix on the couch. Comfort is our enemy and best friend
Two private corporations owned by the same entities, pretending to BE our government. A third party could sweep them off the board if we could all get over our Stockholm syndrome but we won't.
It’s never Trump though is it? It’s the left or it’s everyone…
It's Trump , Biden, Schumer, McConnell, Clinton etc etc. It all of them. The entire government is compromised and has been for decades.
But Trump? The guy that conspiracy Reddit has been dickriding for a decade?
Yeah I remember this sub being a MAGA shithole, this only changed recently
Pretty much only changed this year after the election and inauguration, when it was clear Trump totally sold out for power and money and is not America First. This sub was pro Maga all the way, which to me is the real conspiracy. Normal conspiracy folks would never trust a right billionaire corrupt rapist to be the leader of the free world.
Without a doubt
Yeah this whole both sides thing is just to make trump voters feel better about voting for a pedophile.
Pedophile and murderer
The butt sex is the thing that broke you…not the child sex trafficking?
just wait till he finds out what happened to those children that were trafficked hes gonna lose his shit
Should have had it packed in there better
Yea that's between consenting adults. It's reaaaally disrespectful and obscene in congressional meeting places, but it pales in comparison to straight up child sex trafficking.
Then the covering up of said crimes! When anyone with half a brain can see it was a Mossad/CIA op to gain blackmail and control over powerful people.
Also it was pretty controversial, not “nobody batting an eye,” it was everywhere then. People forgot about it now but I don’t know how much more you could do about two mfers butt fucking whilst consenting to it.
Yeah, because no one got hurt
They only find the consensual stuff disgusting. Not surprising from both-sidist activists that conveniently pop up when one side is looking really really bad.
One specific side, too.
This subreddit was firmly against gay marriage before the Supreme Court ruling. Much of the anti-trans rhetoric you see now is just a "search and replace" of the rhetoric you used to see against gay marriage.
You still see it crop up when there is propaganda needing to be pushed around schools that don't go out of there way to hide that gay people exist.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were people here that consider "gay sex" to be a bigger issue than pedophilia because they believe gay people are "shoving it in people's faces" as well as "grooming" children into being gay.
Conspiracy hates gay people, you're surprised?
Exactly 💯 I mean people voted a rapist in, trafficking , pedos, the list is endless, buttsex being probably lowest on the list.
“I can excuse rape, but I draw the line at sex”
Two low-level aides made an amateur porn video in their workplace. It's enough to deserve being fired, and maybe a public indecency charge, but to act like it's anywhere NEAR the level of Epstein's child sex trafficking is ridiculous.
Two years ago, and they also got fired and charged with crimes. What is even the point of this post.
So someone can say both sides are bad to alleviate any shame they may have had in supporting the one side that put a pedophile on the ballot last year.
The point is to excuse what the admin they voted for is doing by establishing a false equivalency. It is being used to hand-wave away what is currently happening by implying that the same thing would be happening if the person/party they didn't support was in power, which any objective observer would know is fallacious.
Died-in-the-wool Dems do something similar by ignoring issues when Dems are in power and then all of the sudden caring about them when the GOP is in power. Like all those protest signs that said "If Kamala won, we would be at brunch right now," and it's like "So you'd be okay with the genocide if Kamala was in office? You'd be okay with this broken for-profit healthcare system if Kamala was in office?"
This is the shit that happens when your political alignment becomes less about policy and more about celebrity and team sports - you lose any actual principled conviction or concept of material analysis.
People seem more interested in arguing if it is the left or the right boot when the real question is why is it on our tbroats?
I think those comments are fabricated to manipulate people's perception of the general consensus. I've never encountered contrarians like the ones we experience on the internet.
And it's gotten sooo much worse over the last decade.
I remember when the Internet was all like Hailey's Comet, Iz can haz a cheezburger, and you could find exactly what you were looking for the very first try with a random word. Oh and people were nicer then, we were all just amazed at being able to connect with one another. I'm glad I got to experience the best of the internet era (imo).
Dude COVID changed everything
I'm not even talking about the internet, I almost got killed 5 times trying to get to work and the store yesterday
Dudes going 35 miles an hour in parking lots with low visibility, one example of people driving like maniacs for 0 reason
Assholes + low intelligence equals scary AF
Yeah, today was a snowy day up here so we played our pick a "lane" and go driving game and luckily it was only nature trying to kill us and not stupid drivers today. All in all it was a good day, could have been worse!
I don't know what it is but I have more trouble with people not knowing how to drive in the summertime than I do in the winter time. I should not have said that out loud, knock on wood.
But the TV Ad's show thats the way to drive. I see this constantly from, women & men, young to the old (who are supposed to know better).
I wish Reddit showed where posters were posting from
They’d just start using VPNs after the initial change
I was looking at the views on a comment I made a couple days ago, 58% US, 9% CA, 7% UK, which adds up to 74%. Wonder where those other views come from...🤔🔍
From eu
Good point, Doggy.
You may actually get your wish. They are actually trying to implement that. Geolocation for everyone on the internet is a desire of literally every government in existence today.
In the name of "the children". Thanks for doing your part, and lending your support, for the completer removal of any anonymity on the internet.
What a guy.
I notice a steep increase in "both sides" as the walls close in on the current republican party
They're really grasping at straws.
It’s nauseating. This both sides shit wasn’t so important to them before the election.
This....this right here
The clearer it becomes that the current administration is not the group of outsider heroes they hoped for, the more people who held out hope are left disenfranchised and are rightfully skeptical of anyone who farms votes in stolen elections. It really is “both sides” - that is if you’re sold that the division in political parties actually means anything
A little country in the middle east is controlling the most powerful nation in history by dangling sexual blackmail over the heads of our top politicians. It really is something to behold.
Here comes more both sides propaganda after the latest Epstein dump exposing MAGA’s dear leader. This sub is pathetic.
Which side is protecting the pedophiles?
Maga
OPs crew
Sure one side supports and protects pedophiles. But the other side includes some gay people.
Who can really say which side is worse?
Both.
We have a pedophile cabal that implicates at least one former President and the current President (along with both parties donors), rampant corruption and grift, politicians that stonewall any meaningful legislation to score political points and retain power, and a system that rewards failing upwards as long as you have a patron from whoever the ruling admin is...
And all you had to talk about was two pervs that fucked in a government building, one of whom was a low level staffer and was promptly fired and dragged across all media? An event that happened years ago? Have you been living under a rock and decided to wake up and start from the fucking Senate twink?
Grow the fuck up OP, God help you when you find all the actual dark shit that happens in government
"both sides"
When Republicans are called out, this is their standard calling card.
70%+ of them are corrupt AIPAC/Ep-PAC stooges across both sides.
So youre upset someone was getting dicked down? And that equals hideous sexual crimes?
Shit, this might be one of the funniest closeted posts ive seen in a while.
Still dont compare to all the 'manly' douchebros that get all hot & bothered for wrestling and football, but close. lmao
every time republicans do something so fucked up that they can't even get a good lie together to defend themselves, this sub gets a shit ton of "both sides are the same" posts.
Yup and some of them get upvoted by enlightened centrists who see one side doing a bad thing and going "I could never vote for the other side! Both sides are bad! That's why I'm gonna keep voting for the my side to keep doing bad things!"
Most of these people actually think they're being reasonable.
The “both sides” bots are in full force. That how I know the files were bad.
Trump might have killed a baby
“Both sides”
Epstein said Trump likes “young, nubile girls”
“Both sides”
Trump flew on Epstein’s plane with a victim
“Both sides”
Give me a fucking break, you hacks.
Ah yes both parties are the same, but democrats are always blamed equally for stealing a cookie out he cookie jar and the republicans are robbing the bank.
the president is a pedophile and rapist yet you focus on consensual gay sex. interesting. and homophobic.
“Butt Sex” there FTFY. Don’t worry this isn’t TikTok or Facebook where you will be demonitized for saying it.
“Both sides” lol
The conspiracy sub is a bunch of snobs arguing off of semantics.
Want a cookie, enlightened one?
why do people type this and act like its not happening on both sides? Like how thick is your fucking skull?
Because it's always "both sides" when Trump is caught doing something fucked up. Like how thick is your fucking skull?
Literally. I never hear "both sides" from these people when it's a Democrat. When it's a Dem or leftist, they're evil. When it's repub or conservative, it's both sides are evil.
It's not that we're in disagreement that both sides are bad, it's that we're calling out the blatant hypocrisy in how that term is used to deflect blame from the perpetrators by saying "oh everybody does it, both sides"
I never ONCE heard "both sides" when this place was piling on Joe Biden during his presidency.
Exactly! The partisanship about this makes me want to give the fuck up about having any hope about humanity. It's disgusting how people still are waving their political banners over this issue!
I am THOROUGHLY disgusted with the human race at this point.
One more than the other but obviously both sides. Democrats were sitting on this for 4 years during Biden and chose to do nothing despite the heinous evidence against Trump. Should tell you everything about how involved they are too in this
Yo, the DOJ was actively reviewing cases against Epstein and Ghislaine. The president can't override the legal system and declassify active cases. Know what you're talking about first.
Epstein was caught and "murdered" under Trump. Ghislaine was given a sweetheart deal by the Trump admin.
It's always been about super wealthy power-hungry who are and protect pedophiles vs the rest of us.
I swear at least 70% of Americans need to re-take civics class.
Maybe. Their excuse according to Kamala, is they didnt want to weaponize the DOJ, as typically the DOJ would operate independently so they allowed them to their thing.
They were sealed, the Dems were follow rules of law you noobs.
Both the same tho
Biden foolishly believed the legal system would work and that if he put any push to the speed of it, Trump and his followers would claim it was tampered with.
It does. Tells me Biden hired a shitty doj. Also he didn’t use them as his personal lawyers to settle personal vendettas. So yeah the democrats had it for 4 years but they weren’t being told what to do…they were left as the government entity they should be
Absolutely. Red, blue, purple, ANYONE Implicated deserves punishment ...... But it is disingenuous to pretend it's only one side and not primarily another.
Another possible explanation is that Democrats/ Biden didn’t see Trump coming back for another term and it would be distasteful to go after a former president when he is “no longer a threat” blah blah. You know politics as usual, decorum, pretending like everything’s fine and assuming everything is going back to normal. Pretty sure that’s what they did.
This “it would be distasteful” virtue bullshit explanation is ridiculous, bro. They went after him in literally every other context after his presidency. I don’t know if some of you people live under an actual rock. Classified docs stashed at Mar-a-lago, Russia connections, Jan 6th etc. Jesus Christ the delusion is off the fucking charts with you. Not to mention he literally ran against them when they were in power and polls were too close to call. But yeah “not a threat” somehow, gtfo
Yes those were all serious crimes he committed.
If your on either team, why are you in a conspiracy sub, just to whitewash your sides crimes?
Right?
Why is this a post on this sub? This place has gone to shit.
Because Trump is in deep shit and the R party is protecting him, so it's time to say "BOTH SIDES are bad".
You say its both sides but one side is clearly way worse 💀💀
I’m pretty sure the cia and Mossad have been running the USA for decades since a certain somebody was assassinated…
Comparing this and trump being a pedo lol
Didn't they get charged with a crime and fired? What do you mean nobody batted an eye?
I get it, "bOtH sIdEs ArE bAd". I dont totally disagree with that, but this is what broke you? Not the decades of trafficiking and pedophellia, not the decades on decades of proof we have that the government has been experimenting on citizens and doing other horrible stuff in secret?
This is your line? 2 consenting adults who got fired for what they did? Come on, you can get more pissed off than this.
This is a lying propaganda piece
The individual who could be identified was immediately fired, the Capitol Police opened an investigation for possible criminal investigation, it was an international scandal, and the Republicans tried to exploit it for political gain.
The Senate aide who was fired felt so much hostility he moved to Australia.
But, other than that, "nobody on either side batted an eye" according to OP.
Some news stories over the first few days:
“Both sides” is so corny makes every statement meaningless and apathetic.
Trump is being outed as impregnating 13 year old girls, and the example you focus on is two adults having consensual sex in the "sacred room" where millionaires vote to give Israel your tax money
Yep! How either party can defend themselves is absolutely mind boggling
WTF we talkin about?
yea cus jim crow and slavery wasn’t disgusting enough
Yea, no.
I agree. I dont really like americans. Oh you like g washington. You must be american. G Washington would probably be liked by americans (altho the revolutionary war vets hated him and rioted against his insanely high taxes) bc he was a very racist, weak person and apparently not very bright either so i think he’d be ok with this. He wouldnt be ok with usa losing. The goal at the founding of usa was to have an all white planet by our current time and thats not happening, i assure you. G Washington was also flaming gay, and as i said, not very bright so he would have been the worst when it came to the illicit gay govt sex.
This is straight up insane
Would it have been better if it were a man and woman filing butt sex instead?
Like.. yeah both sides are disgusting but the butt sex isn't the reason..
No one in America can stop thinking they're the main character enough to care about the plight of others.
Id bet you $500,000 that a politician could rape a child on live television and no one would do a damn thing about it.
Sides?
Im happy people are starting to realize this.
Yup. They pit us against each other so we don’t unite and realize they’re both garbage.
Would love for this mentality to spread the way it really needs to
Wasnt this years ago?
Alright what are these butt stuff claims and where do they come from? Not that I don't believe it but I'd like to see a source. And I'm sorry but don't you think the child stuff is worse than a couple gays doin it?
My uncle taught me politics when I was a teen at the peak of the patriots success I hated Eli manning and I mean hated. My uncle goes if I asked you to wear Eli’s jersey for a day would you? I said no emphatically then he goes what if I gave you $1000 after pausing I said yes and he goes there now your a politician. There’s not a single politician in there for the nations good their there to better their position and their families.
The whole “both sides are bad” is a fuckin cop out and basically says you are on the right lol.
One side is bad, 100%. Politicians suck. The other side are some of the worst fuckin people you’ve seen. One side, during the Obama era, deported soo many people…thru legal means…the other side , during the last Trump term literally separated kids from their parents, and some of those kids never made it home to Mexico. About 1400 or so. Gone. And that guy (Trump) is connected to one of the most famous child sex traffickers in the US.
And you’re like “BUTT SEX!?”…Jesus Christ, man…
Little late to the party?
About time you caught up
always has been my friend
that's old news
It’s majority of governments across the globe. We’re screwed.
Join he progressive left.
We don't take billionaire cash and want to get money out of politics.
We actually want to help people.
Lame anti democracy anti American take. Both sidesism is a distraction technique. They’re all the same, government is evil, etc. not true.
I keep trying to tell people that. That bad actors trying to make democracy seem chaotic or messy or unnecessary will absolutely find people in the parties "not on the right" and get them to believe this type of crap. No. Not everyone is the same. At all.
Most countries dividing us are anti democracy
Exactly.
Wtf kind of take is this? Of course its both sides 🤷♂️
Sure it’s both sides. But right now Trump and the GOP have complete power.
You’re a dumbass. It’s not hard to realize that politicians have more in common with their opponents than the citizens they’re supposed to represent. Of course they’re going to help each other because it helps themselves.
Oh ok got it thanks. America first?
If you think it stops at the international border have I got news for you.
Welcome to the party, pal.
George Washington was a Freemason (he went from apprentice to master mason in less than a year) with literal slave teeth I don’t think he would be complaining too much haha. Something is wrong with America and I believe it was built to be this way.
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And it’s many countries, not only the US ❤️
But I thought everyone here agreed, everything the government is releasing is just fake and gay?
Pam Bondi said so herself!
Gore Vidal said a long time ago that the US has one party, with two wings; Republican & Democrat.
Anyone who makes it to that level of political power, is already compromised. There’s definitive socio and economic lines, which by design are used to keep society separated. “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”
Did you really only figure this out 5 hours ago?
It's almost like it's a big club and we ain't in it
Glad you’ve finally come to this realization. Hopefully more do too.
It's really funny how the possible cause of fall would be computer illiteracy. Like millennials and gen Xers having a spoil right now.
Do something about it ffs!!!!!
Been this way for about 150 years
As much as I agree, isn't the point of this sub to have objective- well... yeah I kinda see it I guess, but it still qualifies as more of an opinion right?
Also, why censor yourself?
Yall know how long its been this way? Like 6 or 7 decades now since jfk? What yall thought they do up in fhe yt house? Do work? They freak off in dat bitch
Sounds like The 12 Protocols of Zion are pretty effective since it took America so long to notice
fuck mossad and blackrock
Power corrupts. A tale as old as time.
I love my country
I hate my government
Both sides! I never understood the loyalty to these crooks.
The American government is simultaneously the scariest and funniest thing on Earth.
We are unfortunately too busy fighting each instead of fighting real injustice
The republicans could be decent if TRUMP DIDN’T LOSE HIS DAYUM MIND lmao💀
I agree 100%, but the media paints one side as absolutely disgusting and the other as do no wrong angels. I just we has real news outlets to shine light on all the cockroaches, not just half.
Finally someone on Reddit has the real answer!
When small men cast large shadows, the sun is setting. Remember your hopes and what you are fond of, as even in dusk, light can cascade through to what you hold dear.
And remember when it truly is at its darkest, the light will shine again, to reveal a new changed world, where you can build back everything you hold dear and be rid of everything that went wrong.
yep i will never vote again
A tale as old as 1776
I see this collective group is still behind the puck. Psyop after psyop and still can’t comprehend the alchemical synthesis that is western economics. Read up on Charles Hegel.
Always has been.
People are finally waking up.
The illusion of choice.
FUll STOP!
Two wings of the same bird! They all support war/genocide, almost none of them are there to help the people. Most of them are there to get rich by selling us out!
Thomas Massie is the only one worth a shit!
In the US, both are right wing parties. One is just center right and actually more of a Conservative Party that doesn’t want to rock the boat. The other is doing nazi salutes and sending monitors to broadcast companies that report directly to the president.
That’s what is happening. But you’ve been poisoned by right wing propagandists into believing that one is left wing, which means we can just keep shifting to the right on the side of capitalist billionaires without any serious resistance.
Yes!! this is actually what we mean but I know most of the "both sides!!" people here do not.
Let’s not pretend government officials from any country aren’t total pieces of shit, America just sucks at hiding it.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there were a number of Canadian officials or wealthy and powerful individuals who probably had fun on the Epstein island or some other secret place of debauchery
Correct 🎊
I agree but it’s actually the whole world
This has been the answer for a while - yet the MAJORITY of Americans still think their color will save America - We need to shame those Americans
The US government is spoiled, its a rotten putrid apple.
It always has been like that. You are just noticing it for the first time.
The second amendment was literally ratified as a way to deal with government when voting did not work (go google the four boxes of liberty).
Government has always and always will be god awful. If it wasn't, dying to gain rights (like freedom from slavery, discrimination, or suffrage) wouldn't be a thing.
And now acting as pure pirats. Sorry for those who never liked this subject, difficult to call him president of anything. For all those MAGA or there... be honest... did you really voted for this? Seriously? Make Is**el great again?
I’m bipartisan. I see both sides for the shit they are.
That should be more like cottage cheese
Now if the rest of America can come to this conclusion.
Yup, it has been for a while.