For anyone who doesnt know: this is contempt of congress, meaning judges can issue fines and theoretical jail time. Since this has been a fucking circus, jail time or at least detention should be seriously considered
If only there was a process to reprimand and remove the heads of departments and their boss who has deliberately and flagrantly violated this order from congress
We’d have to take them all out, which I’m fine with. But just getting Mike out isn’t your only road block. Don’t forget, Biden also didn’t release them. It’s a both sides issue and the powers that be fully know it. They’re together on this issue, never releasing them
Biden didn't release them because they were sealed during the Maxwell trial (who trump has now basically released) and because releasing classified files like this is pretty abnormal and Biden was supposed to be a return to the norm
This "both sides" shit is just republican propaganda, to pretend Dems are even in the same league as them is just nonsense.
Yeah her being in the spot she’s in is illegal, as far as I’m aware. Her charge doesn’t actually allow her in the prison she’s in, but she’s there.
Look I don’t care if Biden had a convenient reason to not release them. He could have done it. It’s a winning issue and if he broke some rules to make it happen I think he easily gets away with it, if he comes out clean, he’ll he comes out a hero if he exposes that. His friends are in it though, so never happening.
Epstein has been a known player for two decades. I’m not going to sit here and say it’s one sided fault. They’re both complicit at this point.
If they ignore this then that means Congress is pointless.
Unanimous vote in one chamber and near unanimous vote in another accompanied by a presidential signature. What more proof do you need that government is nothing but theater? That politicians are selfish bastards who will never save the people?
I don't want to hear anything about anyone calling themselves a "Patriot" that sits back and is ok with everything that is happening, it's obvious that they are not Americans. I don't know what the fuck they are but it ain't American, more like traitorous trash.
Republicans are traitors to democracy. It's simple as that. The politicians, the voters, they all go along with this, they all allow it, they all enable it.
Way damn much longer, it's just that in more recent times they no longer give a fuck. We know they know we know they are lying but what can you do about it?
If they ignore this then that means Congress is pointless.
That ship has sailed. Trump has proved it time and time again. The man is a mob boss, and congressional republicans are his underlings. Cross him, and you are out on your ass.
Government agencies are no longer independent - it's unofficial at the moment, but SCOTUS is about to make it official. If Congress fines Bondi or even issues an order to have her arrested for contempt, Trump tells the DOJ, "No." And they listen to him. Because - per SCOTUS - Trump controls the DOJ and he can't be prosecuted himself.
The only conceivable timeframe where anyone pays any consequences is post-Trump when a Dem is in office. And that relies on two things: A Democratic POTUS having the balls to go after Trump and his administration - none of that "We go high," shit - and, likely, that same POTUS following Trump's wrecking ball strategy and claiming they can cancel out his pardons - something Trump has toyed with doing publicly but - AFAIK (but it's a lot to keep up with) - has never actually done so. Likely because he doesn't want to set that precedent.
You must realize “law” is an extremely loose term in today’s world. Idk if you worked or dealt with the “law” but it’s probably the most arbitrary thing in our society.
This is the movement, the party and the administration that literally ran on releasing the Epstein files, mind you. And now what you're seeing is HISTORIC obstruction TOWARDS THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN PROMISE..... A CAMPAIGN PROMISE THE DEMOCRATS HAD TO FORCE THEM TO KEEP!!!
I'm sorry for the all caps but this is clown world. Right?
And that's not even taking into context the entire timeline of these events:
Conservatives: Jeffrey Epstein ran a global pedo ring. ~~Hillary Clinton~~, ~~Joe Biden~~, Kamala Harris and every other person that we deem our political enemies is on the LIST. RELEASE THE LIST!!!
Conservatives: Vote for Trump! A vote for Trump is a vote to RELEASE THE LIST!!! Trump said he's going to release the list! I'm a single issue voter and all I literally care about is the list!!!
Conservatives: *Get Trump elected*
Trump: We're going to release the list
Trump admin: We have the list. We have the files. They're on my desk. I have seen the videos and the files. Sick stuff! We're releasing them in phases to only the "journalists" we approve of! Here are the binders full of files! We will release more......
*Months pass w/o any updates*
Elon: Trump won't release the files cuz he's on them. Mic drop
Trump admin : What files? Why? Who wants them? Why? We don't have any files. There's no list. There's this weird video we edited, here. We have nothing else. There's nothing else to see. Epstein was just a random, tormented soul who worked alone.
Trump admin: You're still talking about this? You're a democrat. Epstein is a hoax. There never was an Epstein. Democrats made it all up. There are no files. There is no list. There are no co-conspirators. Just drop it or you're not my friend anymore!
Trump: STOP TALKING ABOUT THE LIST. THERE IS NO LIST. Actually, there IS a list. Democrats are on them so ...
Democrats: We don't care. Release it anyway
Trump: HOLY FUCK whatever. But i'm opening an investigation on Clinton..
Democrats: So? Release it
Trump admin: .... fuuuuuuck.
GOP: Uh, let's go on recess and hope this all dies down
*It does not, in fact die down\*
Democrats and several republicans: release the list
Trump admin: ...these guys are still pushing this? Fuck, ok.....
Trump admin now: I know we said we had the files. They were on a desk and we had this whole show with giving people binders back in march.... I know we said we were working on it and opening an investigation.. I know this has been talked about for years and it was being demanded all year... but we don't have it ready. We found a lot of ...... stuff ... to redact.
And to think, back in the day on this sub I made ONE negative post about trump and was banned, fast too. It was overturned (months later) when a certain mod left but I didn't bother coming back.
This place was a cesspool of trump lovers, amazing how things have changed, maybe people are seeing what some of us saw way back in 2015. Took a whole decade though.
This subreddit was so far ahead of the rest of the world when it came to Epstein. Sure it was mostly because it could be used against Clinton and other democrats at the time, but that doesn't change that they were talking about him long before any of the mainstream news.
I actually already had one conspiracy about Creepstein and Donnie when I was writing a fanfic about Wonder Woman using the lasso of truth on him to get him to spill the beans and I accidentally came up with something, it all went down hill from there so I had to stop myself and convince myself “We won’t know until the files are released.”
It’s almost here.You can feel that frustration hanging heavy in the air in the public spaces when large groups of people are gathered and I’m not talking about concerts. I’m talking about down the street at everyone’s local dollar general.
The lying, obvious corruption, the "what are you gonna do about it?" vibe, 24/7 DARVO tactic, abusing the press/media, stripping of our rights, armed masked thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods, cost of living out of control, inflation up the ass, people can't afford homes, the tariffs, murdering people in boats without due process.... I could go on.
I mean... yeah. We're fucking sick of it. This administration has to go. Now. And people need to go to jail.
I agree, the bubble is gonna burst eventually. I don’t see how any of this gets repaired without a brutal full scale revolution. We are at a time where we don’t ask, but force.
What if we can stop them with the opposite of action/violence? I believe it’s as simple as drudging up the old playground tactics from our youths.
When one group of trouble-makers start playing a game that the other kids didn’t like, we would walk away and refuse to play with them anymore.
It’s most effective when everyone is on board and does it at the same time.
They control us by controlling the flow of money. That money isn’t really worth a damn anymore. What good are billions of dollars when the working class refuses to accept the phony shit for our labor anymore?
Only way I could see it working is if we had a national sit out for enough time to really start draining the stock exchange (The real money pot where the rich stay rich and manipulate Congress and the government), which I just simply don’t see happening, we either slowly pull the bandaid off or rip it all together but either way the ones already hurting will be hurt the most.
We have been placed in a cage financially and as the economy continues to get worse, I do see a rise in violence and desperation. Many can’t afford to sit out, one of the biggest reasons we are becoming more and more isolationist by the day as a whole.
The government wants us broke, sick, overworked and stressed about bills and keeping up the illusion of the American Dream.
It ends two ways, country economic collapse, or country societal collapse. These two are intertwined purposely, for if they both fall we are in much deeper water than corruption.
To me AI is the last ditch effort of eliminating the repercussions of a societal collapse, we are the problem that needs to be eliminated for this dying old cow called Capitalism to keep the bars around us and milk flowing to the top of the ladder.
This is global, when people question the laws, money becomes pointless. I feel with the Epstein case it is the first time at such a blatant scale the government is simply not only turning from its people, but its own apparatus of a system we have a entire nation built on.
Epstein is not the end, but it is definitely the beginning.
Republicans will just fall back on "All politicians are bad", "Trump is still better than Kamala.", and "Only people with TDS actually care about this."
Ultimately, I think for the truth to actually come out, the files are going to have to be leaked at what will likely be at great cost to the leaker. I.E., that person will likely end up dead.
You're 100% correct. When the actual resolution to release the files was voted on, Thomas Massey made a comment about how Trump was going to try to cover up info and it would blow up in his face.
Since then, the reports and speculation were that the master documents were sent out to over a dozen different FBI offices across the US for hundreds of employees to work overtime on scrubbing data and redactions. This opens the possibility of multiple whistleblowers, with the ability to combine or cross-reference individual whistleblower evidence.
Just knowing how incompetent Bondi, Kash, Bongino (resigning soon, probably sees shit hitting the fan first) etc. have been giving me hope for this outcome.
So put them in jail then. I am so tired of headlines being the only thing these people deal with. They are breaking the law. They need to be in prison.
Is there anything the people can do to make this a federal issue that we the people just vote on in our next federal election? Like can we do a federal ballot measure like a state? I don’t think until they see a 80% vote that they’d actually release them not redacted to high hell. And at that point if they don’t release them, mount up.
They will never do that because then we will start wanting to vote on everything, not just political figures who make the real decisions. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing, the last thing you want is to pass some sweeping economic policy and have the masses vote on it when they are no informed. Its a tricky thing
So they aren’t fully withholding all the document, they are just releasing a couple thousand (which have probably been doctored and redacted to hell). I knew they were going to find a way out of this.
im convinced there's an invoice in there from where he bought melania. dude is proud of the pedo stuff he only gets mad when you talk about him having to pay for it
The deadline was set a few weeks ago and it takes time to go through every single page and determine where redactions are necessary.
Congress could pass a bill today requiring five midgets to perform The Phantom of The Opera outside of the Capitol tomorrow. No one expects that to happen, so what's the punishment?
If you were knowledgeable about the amount of text that has to be analyzed and processed you may have viewed the deadline the same way as the five random midgets a staffer yanked off the street.
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For anyone who doesnt know: this is contempt of congress, meaning judges can issue fines and theoretical jail time. Since this has been a fucking circus, jail time or at least detention should be seriously considered
If only there was a process to reprimand and remove the heads of departments and their boss who has deliberately and flagrantly violated this order from congress
We’d have to take them all out, which I’m fine with. But just getting Mike out isn’t your only road block. Don’t forget, Biden also didn’t release them. It’s a both sides issue and the powers that be fully know it. They’re together on this issue, never releasing them
Biden didn't release them because they were sealed during the Maxwell trial (who trump has now basically released) and because releasing classified files like this is pretty abnormal and Biden was supposed to be a return to the norm
This "both sides" shit is just republican propaganda, to pretend Dems are even in the same league as them is just nonsense.
Yeah her being in the spot she’s in is illegal, as far as I’m aware. Her charge doesn’t actually allow her in the prison she’s in, but she’s there.
Look I don’t care if Biden had a convenient reason to not release them. He could have done it. It’s a winning issue and if he broke some rules to make it happen I think he easily gets away with it, if he comes out clean, he’ll he comes out a hero if he exposes that. His friends are in it though, so never happening.
Epstein has been a known player for two decades. I’m not going to sit here and say it’s one sided fault. They’re both complicit at this point.
So, Biden not breaking the law to release them and Trump breaking the law in order not to release them, is equivalent to you? Give me a break
Yeah but can't Trump just pardon them? What a clown show.
That’s what I was gonna say. A judge could issue jail time for being in contempt of a congressional order. But Trump would just commute the sentence.
If they ignore this then that means Congress is pointless.
Unanimous vote in one chamber and near unanimous vote in another accompanied by a presidential signature. What more proof do you need that government is nothing but theater? That politicians are selfish bastards who will never save the people?
I don't want to hear anything about anyone calling themselves a "Patriot" that sits back and is ok with everything that is happening, it's obvious that they are not Americans. I don't know what the fuck they are but it ain't American, more like traitorous trash.
Republicans are traitors to democracy. It's simple as that. The politicians, the voters, they all go along with this, they all allow it, they all enable it.
Been that way for at least 25 years.
Way damn much longer, it's just that in more recent times they no longer give a fuck. We know they know we know they are lying but what can you do about it?
Congress did the budget in the 90s though
"The Senate cannot lead," said the man who ended the Roman republic.
Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it.
I mean I agree but it sure seems to be taking the normies a while to figure that out
Brother we have dark money UAP reverse engineering programs funded by taxpayers above congressional oversight.
What is this your first fucken day? Of course congress is pointless.
That ship has sailed. Trump has proved it time and time again. The man is a mob boss, and congressional republicans are his underlings. Cross him, and you are out on your ass.
Isn't that contempt of congress?
It's only contempt of congress if something actually does something about it.
Which they won't.
And oh look, congress can't do anything about it while they are on recess.
Consider my pearls clutched. I'm shocked I tell you, simply shocked.
Oh, so it's not contempt. Carry on.
It’s not just contempt. It is outright a violation of law by the executive.
Yes
I remember hearing someone on the interview stating that they are legally obligated to release it by law, now I'm confused
You'd think they would hand over something, anything, and say they're still working on the rest. To hand over nothing is crazy.
Well when you are the law you can do whatever the fuck you want and then punish innocents for the same..
Congress has no teeth willing to enforce the law.
Government agencies are no longer independent - it's unofficial at the moment, but SCOTUS is about to make it official. If Congress fines Bondi or even issues an order to have her arrested for contempt, Trump tells the DOJ, "No." And they listen to him. Because - per SCOTUS - Trump controls the DOJ and he can't be prosecuted himself.
The only conceivable timeframe where anyone pays any consequences is post-Trump when a Dem is in office. And that relies on two things: A Democratic POTUS having the balls to go after Trump and his administration - none of that "We go high," shit - and, likely, that same POTUS following Trump's wrecking ball strategy and claiming they can cancel out his pardons - something Trump has toyed with doing publicly but - AFAIK (but it's a lot to keep up with) - has never actually done so. Likely because he doesn't want to set that precedent.
It’s pretty easy, trump doesn’t care about the fuckin law
You must realize “law” is an extremely loose term in today’s world. Idk if you worked or dealt with the “law” but it’s probably the most arbitrary thing in our society.
I’m about ready to go full blown conspiracy theorist, I can’t any more
At this point, dog, how can you not?
Because they always create distractions to keep people from clinging to it. Just wait.
This is the movement, the party and the administration that literally ran on releasing the Epstein files, mind you. And now what you're seeing is HISTORIC obstruction TOWARDS THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN PROMISE..... A CAMPAIGN PROMISE THE DEMOCRATS HAD TO FORCE THEM TO KEEP!!!
I'm sorry for the all caps but this is clown world. Right?
And that's not even taking into context the entire timeline of these events:
Conservatives: Jeffrey Epstein ran a global pedo ring. ~~Hillary Clinton~~, ~~Joe Biden~~, Kamala Harris and every other person that we deem our political enemies is on the LIST. RELEASE THE LIST!!!
Conservatives: Vote for Trump! A vote for Trump is a vote to RELEASE THE LIST!!! Trump said he's going to release the list! I'm a single issue voter and all I literally care about is the list!!!
Conservatives: *Get Trump elected*
Trump: We're going to release the list
Trump admin: We have the list. We have the files. They're on my desk. I have seen the videos and the files. Sick stuff! We're releasing them in phases to only the "journalists" we approve of! Here are the binders full of files! We will release more......
*Months pass w/o any updates*
Elon: Trump won't release the files cuz he's on them. Mic drop
Trump admin : What files? Why? Who wants them? Why? We don't have any files. There's no list. There's this weird video we edited, here. We have nothing else. There's nothing else to see. Epstein was just a random, tormented soul who worked alone.
Trump admin: You're still talking about this? You're a democrat. Epstein is a hoax. There never was an Epstein. Democrats made it all up. There are no files. There is no list. There are no co-conspirators. Just drop it or you're not my friend anymore!
Trump: STOP TALKING ABOUT THE LIST. THERE IS NO LIST. Actually, there IS a list. Democrats are on them so ...
Democrats: We don't care. Release it anyway
Trump: HOLY FUCK whatever. But i'm opening an investigation on Clinton..
Democrats: So? Release it
Trump admin: .... fuuuuuuck.
GOP: Uh, let's go on recess and hope this all dies down
*It does not, in fact die down\*
Democrats and several republicans: release the list
Trump admin: ...these guys are still pushing this? Fuck, ok.....
Trump admin now: I know we said we had the files. They were on a desk and we had this whole show with giving people binders back in march.... I know we said we were working on it and opening an investigation.. I know this has been talked about for years and it was being demanded all year... but we don't have it ready. We found a lot of ...... stuff ... to redact.
And to think, back in the day on this sub I made ONE negative post about trump and was banned, fast too. It was overturned (months later) when a certain mod left but I didn't bother coming back.
This place was a cesspool of trump lovers, amazing how things have changed, maybe people are seeing what some of us saw way back in 2015. Took a whole decade though.
It got dicey for a while after the_donald sub was shuttered.
Amen
A lot of the Trump bots disappeared literally the day after the election.
I remember when most of the people on the conspiracy subreddit were already full blown conspiracy theorists. I miss those times
Yup
This subreddit was so far ahead of the rest of the world when it came to Epstein. Sure it was mostly because it could be used against Clinton and other democrats at the time, but that doesn't change that they were talking about him long before any of the mainstream news.
Normys/agent smiths are bored as hell. Conspiracies should be gatekept imo
First time?
The fact that it took you this long is very concerning.
I actually already had one conspiracy about Creepstein and Donnie when I was writing a fanfic about Wonder Woman using the lasso of truth on him to get him to spill the beans and I accidentally came up with something, it all went down hill from there so I had to stop myself and convince myself “We won’t know until the files are released.”
Two words: Horseshoe theory.
JFK x 911 x Moon landing / Epstein = ?
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At what point will America have had enough of our government just laughing at us and treating us as fools?
It’s almost here.You can feel that frustration hanging heavy in the air in the public spaces when large groups of people are gathered and I’m not talking about concerts. I’m talking about down the street at everyone’s local dollar general.
It won’t be long now.
The lying, obvious corruption, the "what are you gonna do about it?" vibe, 24/7 DARVO tactic, abusing the press/media, stripping of our rights, armed masked thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods, cost of living out of control, inflation up the ass, people can't afford homes, the tariffs, murdering people in boats without due process.... I could go on.
I mean... yeah. We're fucking sick of it. This administration has to go. Now. And people need to go to jail.
I made a post the other day asking if this is what people in 1775 felt like. Then one day they just say we’re not taking your shit any longer. GTFO.
“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
I'm legit considering starting a woodworking hobby and learning how to craft functioning guillotines for sale
I agree, the bubble is gonna burst eventually. I don’t see how any of this gets repaired without a brutal full scale revolution. We are at a time where we don’t ask, but force.
And all the cards are not working for the Feds.
What if we can stop them with the opposite of action/violence? I believe it’s as simple as drudging up the old playground tactics from our youths.
When one group of trouble-makers start playing a game that the other kids didn’t like, we would walk away and refuse to play with them anymore.
It’s most effective when everyone is on board and does it at the same time.
They control us by controlling the flow of money. That money isn’t really worth a damn anymore. What good are billions of dollars when the working class refuses to accept the phony shit for our labor anymore?
Only way I could see it working is if we had a national sit out for enough time to really start draining the stock exchange (The real money pot where the rich stay rich and manipulate Congress and the government), which I just simply don’t see happening, we either slowly pull the bandaid off or rip it all together but either way the ones already hurting will be hurt the most.
We have been placed in a cage financially and as the economy continues to get worse, I do see a rise in violence and desperation. Many can’t afford to sit out, one of the biggest reasons we are becoming more and more isolationist by the day as a whole.
The government wants us broke, sick, overworked and stressed about bills and keeping up the illusion of the American Dream.
It ends two ways, country economic collapse, or country societal collapse. These two are intertwined purposely, for if they both fall we are in much deeper water than corruption.
To me AI is the last ditch effort of eliminating the repercussions of a societal collapse, we are the problem that needs to be eliminated for this dying old cow called Capitalism to keep the bars around us and milk flowing to the top of the ladder.
This is global, when people question the laws, money becomes pointless. I feel with the Epstein case it is the first time at such a blatant scale the government is simply not only turning from its people, but its own apparatus of a system we have a entire nation built on.
Epstein is not the end, but it is definitely the beginning.
Republicans will just fall back on "All politicians are bad", "Trump is still better than Kamala.", and "Only people with TDS actually care about this."
The fact that the republican party isn't in shambles speaks to just how stupid America is. Democrats included.
Never if we keep deteriorating education/the constitution
Just put them in a folder, then share a folder link, and hit send. Even I can do it.
Ultimately, I think for the truth to actually come out, the files are going to have to be leaked at what will likely be at great cost to the leaker. I.E., that person will likely end up dead.
You're 100% correct. When the actual resolution to release the files was voted on, Thomas Massey made a comment about how Trump was going to try to cover up info and it would blow up in his face.
Since then, the reports and speculation were that the master documents were sent out to over a dozen different FBI offices across the US for hundreds of employees to work overtime on scrubbing data and redactions. This opens the possibility of multiple whistleblowers, with the ability to combine or cross-reference individual whistleblower evidence.
Just knowing how incompetent Bondi, Kash, Bongino (resigning soon, probably sees shit hitting the fan first) etc. have been giving me hope for this outcome.
They are definitely hiding something. Or they are trying to definitely buy more time for the eventual AI takeover of the legislative branch.
So put them in jail then. I am so tired of headlines being the only thing these people deal with. They are breaking the law. They need to be in prison.
Ah yes, they just need to put themselves in prison
Of course not. They need to hide things.
All you guys looking for a deep state, hidden conspiracy about Epstein...This is an up front and out in the open conspiracy.
NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo you dont say
Big bloody surprise here ain't it.
They ran out of Sharpies
No.....🤣 was anyone really expecting anything??
In reality, there appear to be strong indications that international sex trafficking's immeasurable and invaluable.
Is there anything the people can do to make this a federal issue that we the people just vote on in our next federal election? Like can we do a federal ballot measure like a state? I don’t think until they see a 80% vote that they’d actually release them not redacted to high hell. And at that point if they don’t release them, mount up.
They will never do that because then we will start wanting to vote on everything, not just political figures who make the real decisions. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing, the last thing you want is to pass some sweeping economic policy and have the masses vote on it when they are no informed. Its a tricky thing
Oh I agree with you there. But when the checks aren’t checking, there’s one check left, and we obviously don’t want to use that one (2A).
Wow I didn't see this coming!
Straight to jail, don't pass go
They don't care about the citizens, eventually only the top people at Project 25 will be protected
the worst parts will be hidden from the public.
Know what happens if you don't meet gov regulations in your business by their deadline? You're fucked.
Id bet they can be compelled to
Shredding evidence or still redacting files?
Turns out, Trump and his friends are in those damn things A LOT more than previously thought
They need more time for modifying, editing snd deleting on the people’s dime!!
What a shocking turn of events 😱
My oh my, would you look at the time.
Nothing ever happens O'clock
They need more black sharpie. They aren't done redacting
So they aren’t fully withholding all the document, they are just releasing a couple thousand (which have probably been doctored and redacted to hell). I knew they were going to find a way out of this.
None of it will include the criminal activity Epstein recorded meticulously.
What is really going on seriously?
im convinced there's an invoice in there from where he bought melania. dude is proud of the pedo stuff he only gets mad when you talk about him having to pay for it
I guess it is really difficult work combing through these documents and redacting anything that involves Trump.
The deadline was set a few weeks ago and it takes time to go through every single page and determine where redactions are necessary.
Congress could pass a bill today requiring five midgets to perform The Phantom of The Opera outside of the Capitol tomorrow. No one expects that to happen, so what's the punishment?
If you were knowledgeable about the amount of text that has to be analyzed and processed you may have viewed the deadline the same way as the five random midgets a staffer yanked off the street.
Why not release it all? They’ve already been working on redactions for months according to publicly available reporting