Wildlife nerd here. You are correct, but I should point out that a google search should not be used as a source. Gemini (and AI in general) very often gets things wrong.
Soooo many times recently I've seen people using AI to back up their arguments, and even if they are right I tell them to get genuine sources and citations as AI is wrong so often 😅
Whenever I use ChatGPT I already know most of the information I'm asking about, and every single time it comes up with some misinformation. AI is not a trustworthy source.
ChatGPT has told me, on no less than eight occasions this year alone, that Joe Biden is the POTUS in 2025.
I corrected it every time and it still says the same thing any time I bring up the president.
AI is absolutely not trustworthy and the amount of people that rely on it for actual, factual information is frightening. I thought it was awesome when it came out initially; now I've grown weary of the constant misinformation and the ass kissing tone it takes with me.
Most publicly available AI is tuned specifically to agree with you anyway unless it can't help it. When asking more ambiguous or longer form questions it helps to tell it beforehand that you prefer accuracy over validation
I absolutely hate when in mom groups someone asks a question and someone pipes in with “I just asked chatGPT and…” and then adds screenshots on why it’s okay to give babies honey (it’s very unsafe for babies under a year old).
I love having spent a decade and a half honing my craft and being at the top of my field, spending ten hours research an issue and having someone go “I uploaded your advice to chatGPT and it says…”
I still think about the time when I googled if Poppy's playtime was for kids, and it said yes (not sure I agree, but fnaf was really popular for kids so probably I've just got a stick up my ass) and the source it sighted was a meme on reddit, more specifically, a meme that said it WASN'T appropriate for kids?
This has actually become a small problem for me at work as a security guard at the emergency/out of hours medical. Where I live, ever since corona hit, they've had a strict 1 friend/relative policy so only one person can ever join the patient inside unless there's a sufficient necessity for it (with agreement of the doctor). This is to limit the number of people being inside as before this policy there was often an overcrowding issue where the majority of the people werent even patients. It also helps reduce spreading of transmittable diseases, considering there will be a lot of sick people at a hospital for obvious reasons.
The problem? This 1 relative policy does not give exceptions to children, which leads to a lot of angry parents when they realize that both parents cant join their child inside at the same time. And one thing I've had happen several times now, is that the the parents, the dad usually, will attempt to argue their way in by claiming that the denial is illegal and use AI to back up their claim.
AI unfortunately tends to confuse the law a bit. Because, by law both patents do have equal rights in joining their child into the ER. That is not the contention here however, because while both have the right to join, that is not to mean at the same time. It just means that we cannot favour one over the other (which we don't). We can't for example specifically say that only the mother can join and the father has to stay out. That decision is up to them, not us since both parents have equal rights on this. But AI will look at this and do not understand that wording whatsoever. Well, actually if you rephrase the question a bit then it will realize it quickly, but if you can manipulate an AI to change sides that easily then that is part of the problem imo.
Thank you for pointing this out. A concerning amount of internet users seem to think an AI summary counts as a source. I work in IT and am astounded at how often I google something and notice the AI summary be blatantly incorrect as i am looking for an actual link for info
I think the best one I have got was when I was searching that does one clinic offer women's health services and the answer was like "Yes, x offers help for women's health problems, like pregnancy complications, endometriosis and psychosis." And I was like "Damn, did the info come from some far right site :D". Sadly I was in incognito and couldn't take screenshot and when I tried to search it off Incognito, I couldn't get the same answer, so I sadly have no proof :(
I once had a situation that led to the search (in German, with the right wording) "is cafe xy in city z closed down?" and I got a "yes, it's closed down because off..." answer. The search "is cafe xy in city z not closed down" got me "yes, the cafe is still operating". It was the last..
Was able to reproduce it, got the screenshots.
Yep, mine was in Finnish. I'm not expert but I suppose that different language might make it be incorrect even easier, as most AI services are made in English, first and foremost.
Free advice for anyone who wants it, if you do a Google search and include "-ai" at the end, the AI response won't show up, it'll be a normal Google search
Wildlife nerd and occasional caribou hunter here. The truth is they're both wrong in the context of Santa's sleigh being pulled on Christmas. He's an idiot and obviously wrong. The responder is wrong because they're slightly oversimplifying it. Google is also wrong here. Caribou and Reindeer both use their antlers to clear snow from the mosses and lichens they eat. Cows and young bulls keep their antlers till the end of winter spring. Mature bulls drop their antlers earlier than the younger bulls because of their hormones but also because heavier antlers pull harder on the loosening connections at the bases. Mature bulls also use their antlers to clear snow from their food and will definitely have them well past Christmas Eve and into the new year. In the western Alaska Caribou Herd and private reindeer herds on the Seward Peninsula I see bulls and cows with their antlers in March. So bulls or cows could together pull Santa's sleigh.
Interesting, that both bulls and cows could be pulling the sleigh. Because the names seem like some are cows and some are bulls. Vixen, seems like a girl name to me. Donder/Donner seems like a boy name. Dancer seems more of a girl's name, Comet boys name.
The reindeer we have in Finland don't work like this, the males drop their antlers in the fall and the females keep them until spring. Basically no male reindeer has their antlers in christmastime but the females usually keep them through the whole winter, only dropping them in the late spring after birthing their calves. Males start regrowing their in march-april and females start regrowing in may-june after birthing.
I'm annoyed that I've had to start adding -ai to most of my searches. I look up a lot of stuff related to the games I play, and the AI is nearly always wrong.
My friend and i were both feeling kind of weird/sick the last couple days after a party we went to on Sat. I typed the symptoms into the search engine. The AI suggestion said we have a sleep disorder.
Hyenas live in a matriarchal society, and the female hyenas have a pseudo-penis that they give birth through.
(And as you may have already guessed, it often kills both the mother and child, it's honestly wild how common it can be for species to have insanely dangerous childbirths)
They have the longest birth canal/body size ratio of any mammal. Their birth canal also has a sharp turn that the babies can get stuck in. They also have unusually narrow birth canals.
I mean, humans have a high child birth rate due to modern medical intervention. It wasn’t uncommon for mothers or children to die due to child birth but that long ago. There’s a reason there’s an emphasis on prenatal care.
My mom was a maternity nurse, it's terrifying how much medical intervention is often needed to save the mothers. A *lot* of donor blood is often needed. I remember her telling me about a mom who needed 7 liters of donor blood. That means her ENTIRE bloodsupply was more than replaced.
That’s what pisses me off about these non-vaxxers and anti-medicine idiots. The only reason they are able to have those beliefs is because they have had it so good that they forget the reason is advancement in medicine.
Many women still encounter complications during pregnancy and/or childbirth that can have lifelong lasting consequences. Not to mention that fatality rates regarding childbirth lay a lot higher in less well-off countries. The disparities between countries are huge, and we're making less progress in preserving lives overall globally, too.
Well, the US is pretty high on the Infant mortality stats compared to similar countries as is. I think it was around the 150th highest spot out of 193 countries. You'd think with all the money they could easily be in at least the last 10 or so spots, but nope.
I know, that's part of my point. I was curious about why it worked out that way evolutionarily speaking for so many species?
I know evolution goes for what works, not what works best, and clearly it works well enough for the species not to die out, but still, it's interesting.
Not animal related, but i had an argument with a friend over whether or not the star Sirius was the north star. While standing on a beach looking at the Gulf of Mexico. Couldn't be more south.
Because in this case they are arguing by proxy about whether women can be strong or not. The guy objecting got upset by the message that women can be strong and independent, and wants to refute that. But because the argument turned into "do female deer keep their antlers" as a proxy for "can women be strong and independent", he cant admit the first without admitting the second.
I bet it's going to take a lot more convincing to get to the guy to admit to the second.
That kind of person does that a lot. You could have proof that refutes their point right in front of them and they will double down with some bullshit how this example doesn't count.
Like how Richard Dawkins, when presented with the fact that sex isn't binary (intersex), pooh poohs it away as being too few and statistically trivial.
Dawkins, you're a scientist, you should know what "binary" means.
You know, I used to say that Dawkins did fine as long as he stuck with biology, and was just rubbish at everything else he tried to stick his arrogant oar in.
I'm really quite pleased to be proved wrong. He's just a nonsense on all levels.
I remember during my edgy anti-theist phase I went to a "reason rally" at a local highschool in 2012 where Dawkins was one of the speakers, and he is or at least was, an open proponent of what he called "negative eugenics" which is using genetic screening or editing to remove or cure congenital defects. The intentions are usually good if we were to limit it to things like hemophilia or butterfly skin disorder , stuff that causes children immense pain and leads to very low lifespans, but it's a slippery slope and I'm guessing Dawkins probably thinks intersex conditions could some day be "eugenixed away".
It’s so dumb because even if he was able to accept that those are all female reindeer, that doesn’t “proof” that human women are strong, which is what this guy is obviously not wanting to accept.
But he probably also believes that men need to be tough and loud because he read something about alpha wolves once and it would be too complex to assume that sometimes things in nature can follow similar rules but that sometimes they don’t do that.
Anti-feminists or trans/homophobes will often use biology as their argument even though they don't know shit about it. If they get confronted with matriarchal animals, animals that can be intersex or animals that have documented cases of homosexual behavior between them, they can't accept it, because it would destroy their entire argument.
That and by extension any women "exhibiting male traits" is from hormonal imbalances or whatever medical condition that they can use to class it as "unnatural" and thus against their 2-dimensional natural order, rather than admit that nature operates on spectrum of diversity.
They say that to cis women, too. Particularly ones that are being too argumentative and uppity. If the poster was a cis woman, they could be saying she’s acting like she’s got a hormonal imbalance.
With the "Ur kind" comment, it sounds more like he believes that the *entire animal kingdom* works off of the gender binary of a 50's talking animal cartoon and, therefore, a female animal having horns "like a dude" is some kind of trans thing. Would also explain why he then tries to write it off as a "hormonal imbalance": Not like those natural, sleek, femme deer with eyelashes and naturally occurring bow.
And it’s likely also because it conflicts with the rigid gender roles he was taught to believe is true of humans and that all other species automatically also abide by…….male = OOGA BOOGA, strong, protector, ALFA vs. female = submissive, obedient, omega, needs constant protection, incapable of rational thought, exists to serve the male.
Does anyone else see a conflict with these Alpha Male Bootcamps where 50 “Alpha males” are treated like dogs, nearly drowned in mud, verbally abused and they all obey like good little submissives?
It's usually based on military training, because they associate the military with macho manly stuff. Except that a lot of military training is about reducing individuality, creating a relexive obedience of authority, and ensuring soldiers can function as small cogs in a very large machine. Which is kind of the opposite of what they say they want.
I mean, they obviously are against individuality. If you don't fit the strict norm of strong, emotionless men whose goal is to work hard and find a wife who will raise and feed your children, you're practically worthless.
Imagine being that insecure. That's honestly kinda sad. I think the guys like that might need counseling. Why can't we all be strong and support each other?
Or even "you're right. I learned something today."
Hell I didn't know female reindeer grew antlers. I too would have assumed it was the same as regular forest deer. So I got to learn something today and that's neat. It definitely goes on the "Almost Certainly Useless Knowledge" pile... and that's a big pile... but fuck it. It wasn't in any pile before now.
Whenever they learn that they were wrong about something, the goalposts are moved to a new target and the old target (plus anything they said about it) is discarded.
If you try to address how they were wrong, they will make a new attempt to be right about what you just said to make your statements be somehow wrong, making them right, typically in the most pedantic ways just to get a tiny sliver of being right.
I think, in this situation, it's more about the message he's trying to argue with, the whole "women can be strong" thing. ☺️
But, I also ask myself this question a lot. I saw a guy on a video not too long back that miscalculated simple math on a newscast, immediately recoiled in embarrassment, laughed at himself, and smiled, shaking his head in embarrassment. It was awesome to see someone just admit to being wrong, laugh it off, and move on with their life. So rare. And it's so sad that it's so rare.
Dancer, Prancer, and Vixen are all female, so is Donner, even though it's a more masculine name. Because of Donner's importance, Donner's husband is sometimes referred to as Mr. Donner. This led to the misconception that Mr. Donner was the actual Donner, and the actual Donner was Mrs. Donner.
The other reindeer maintain their antlers through Christmas magic.
Prancer feels like one of those names that used to be masculine but has turned into nearly only feminine, like Lindsay *or McKenzie. I feel like I can see a man-reindeer centaur in a powdered wig and heeled shoes like the 18th century named Prancer.
My one friend does this shit ALL the time when trying to prove a point in an argument. They'll crop out the search bar as well, and try to make it seem like it's from an article or something lmfao.
It's so annoying though cause that AI isn't always right, like when it tells you to use glue to make a cheese pizza.
Yes, they're the "I do SO MUCH research" type too.
Another good one is if you look up “elephant meat recipes” because somebody apparently made a pretty famous joke recipe for elephant stew or something that’s like “cut the elephant meat up into bite size pieces, this will take up to 2 months to complete”
I feel like this information is still technically correct, if you're willing to ignore the legalities of cooking an elephant and are doing it by hand...
It's fixed now but I was watching this old movie "Murderer's Row" and wanted to know if the hovercrafts in the movie were real or just made for the movie
Google AI summary said there were no hovercrafts in the movie.
One of its sources was the movie's wikipedia page... which made mention of the hovercrafts. Like 1/4 of the friggin movie took place on hovercrafts lol
Just gotta watch out for those AI-generated books these days. (Wayyyy too many crafting ones when you search Amazon!) But reading actual, peer-reviewed journal articles in respected scientific journals is also still a pretty good option for the most part. If you understand the subject. Which is a huge barrier to them, I know (that and the cost).
I really dislike that this is considered normal now. Even if you are right, please don't screenshot ai to support your argument, that doesn't help you, and it shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
I was trying to figure out if the fuchsia plant was named for the colour or vice versa. AI said the plant was named for the colour which was named after the plant. Word for word (I screenshotted it) “The fuchsia plant is named after the color fuchsia, which is a vibrant pinkish-red hue.
The color fuchsia was named after the flower of the fuchsia plant, which in turn was named after the 16th-century German botanist Leonhart Fuchs.”
Yeah, combine LLMs' inherent flaws with the amount of (self-)censorship common in the modern internet largely because of US and Chinese cultural hang-ups, and it becomes harder than it should be to get some information. I wonder how long it'll take before AI summaries start claiming sex education increases teen pregnancies or that nothing ever happend in Tiananmen Square.
The European reindeer do as well. Including the domesticated ones, which one would assume Santa's reindeer belong to... Would be kinda weird if he used wild animals.
Especially Gemini in the Google search. Also, it interprets anything I search as a prompt and more often than not it tells me “xyz is not a real phrase” and fuck you very much Google, search for that and shut up.
I had an AI "expert" that was arguing that AI (ChatGPT) is very reliable. I posted her comment in ChatGPT and asked it to rate it based on accuracy. It gave her comment 2/10, saying it's mostly false and misleading and broke down why. And then she started to argue with the AI response, claiming I wrote the prompt in a way to get that response or that I just wrote it entirely. She even said I was trying to hurt her feelings... THE ENTIRE RESPONSE WAS FROM AI! lol
Plus these arguments always conveniently leave out that working male deer are typically castrated to make them less aggressive and able to be around female deer. As a consequence, they can keep their antlers into the winter.
Because it's engagement farming rage bait almost certainly created by troll accounts. One need only look at their names to see they are a mixture of male and female reindeer and look up rutting habits to know that yearlings (young male reindeer) keep their antlers until spring.
Probably because they don’t even realize that reindeer are real and not just a different type of deer. I’ve been to a few holiday themed things, where they claim to have reindeer, but they’re just deer.
There’s a really awesome reindeer farm in Kentucky, they rescue and breed them. You can even have an experience with them, briefly pet them, and get pictures with them “pulling” a sleigh. It’s great and all the proceeds go to their care and preservation of reindeer.
Fun Fact: during the winter reindeer get “snow shoes”. Their feet get wider and furrier, so they can stay warm and walk on snow easier.
If he really wanted to be insistent about sex, it would be easy enough to just go "reindeer also don't typically fly, there may be some artistic license at play here." Instead, he did what Tropic Thunder taught us never to do.
I will never understand these oblivious assholes. It's so easy to just go "Oh, neat, I didn't know that." and move on with your life knowing something you didn't know before.
are you telling me the fluoride is also TURNING THE DEER TRANS?!? WE HAVE TO GET THE FLOURIDE OUT. FIRST THE FROGS NOW THE DEER. WHEN WILL THESE LIBTARDS STOP
Can we address that remark "the screwed up ones, your kind"? And what kind is that exactly? Does the manosphere now have opnions on hormonal imbalances? Gynecomastia and PCOS? Hyperthyroidism? Cushings syndrome?
I think part of the confusion here comes from the fact that Santa's reindeer are typically depicted as looking more like whitetail deer than actual reindeer, and female whitetail deer typically do not have antlers. Most of the issue, however, is this dude using reindeer as an excuse to be an assmaster about gender politics.
Wow gonna be honest I didn't know this and was also pretty quick to assume the AI summary was flawed somehow. So then... guess what... I googled it myself and looked at an actual source and learned something new!
I dont fully blame the guy for strongly believing that female reindeer dont have antlers, because it's true for Deer and I thought the same thing. I dont blame him for not trusting an AI summary because no one should. But then he doubles down and fully looks like an idiot because he didn't just Google it himself and do better research.
Depends on the subspecies. Some female caribou CAN grow antlers but not all of them do. Also, males do not shed their antlers if they are castrated, which most working reindeer are. So...all of Santa's reindeer can be male but they would all have lost their balls.
I don't really like AI being used here, but like... Come on... Literally the first freaking result in google is articles and zoology studies about how females are last to shed (technically pregnant females specifically) their antlers, and how FUCKING FAST they grow. Good god.
Lots of people have some sort of weird "gender absolutist" when it comes to horns/antlers in any animal. Post a picture of a cow with horns and it's practically a guarantee that someone will drop out of the sky to "um akshually" insist it's a bull.
Don’t use ai. A better way to prove the same point would be to find a picture of a female reindeer with antlers giving birth and send it to him. /s (although this would be funny at least to me)
Yeah I've worked in a zoo and the amount of people who tried to correct me when I called the reindeer girls because of their antlers. Like sorry but they're both girls.
Actual reindeer herder here. You are correct: all reindeer, including females and calves as young as 4 months, grow antlers. Males tend to grow large, impressive antler displays, whereas females tend to be much smaller (especially when their nutrients are channeled toward pregnancy and feeding a calf). Calves will develop little twig-like antlers too!
Hormonal imbalance, can affect the shedding of the velvet, which is the skin that covers the antlers during growth and provides blood supply. Males that have been castrated will not shed their velvet as cleanly as other reindeer, due to not having the hormone levels that cause it to shed, and will retain the dead tissue long after antler growth has ceased. Castrated males also tend to retain their antlers later into the season than intact bulls. Conversely, females that have been contracepted can lose their antlers early (also believed to be due to hormone imbalance).
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Wildlife nerd here. You are correct, but I should point out that a google search should not be used as a source. Gemini (and AI in general) very often gets things wrong.
I'm not a wildlife nerd, but I 100% agree.
Soooo many times recently I've seen people using AI to back up their arguments, and even if they are right I tell them to get genuine sources and citations as AI is wrong so often 😅
You can even tell ChatGPT for example to back you up even if it's wrong and just screenshot that. That's a dumb source to use.
Whenever I use ChatGPT I already know most of the information I'm asking about, and every single time it comes up with some misinformation. AI is not a trustworthy source.
Right?!?
ChatGPT has told me, on no less than eight occasions this year alone, that Joe Biden is the POTUS in 2025.
I corrected it every time and it still says the same thing any time I bring up the president.
AI is absolutely not trustworthy and the amount of people that rely on it for actual, factual information is frightening. I thought it was awesome when it came out initially; now I've grown weary of the constant misinformation and the ass kissing tone it takes with me.
I hate when it kisses my ass!! Maybe ChatGPT is better for looking for validation after a breakup or something, but not facts.
Technically Joe Biden WAS POTUS at the very beginning of 2025, but yeah. He is not the POTUS. Haha
Most publicly available AI is tuned specifically to agree with you anyway unless it can't help it. When asking more ambiguous or longer form questions it helps to tell it beforehand that you prefer accuracy over validation
I absolutely hate when in mom groups someone asks a question and someone pipes in with “I just asked chatGPT and…” and then adds screenshots on why it’s okay to give babies honey (it’s very unsafe for babies under a year old).
I love having spent a decade and a half honing my craft and being at the top of my field, spending ten hours research an issue and having someone go “I uploaded your advice to chatGPT and it says…”
I still think about the time when I googled if Poppy's playtime was for kids, and it said yes (not sure I agree, but fnaf was really popular for kids so probably I've just got a stick up my ass) and the source it sighted was a meme on reddit, more specifically, a meme that said it WASN'T appropriate for kids?
This has actually become a small problem for me at work as a security guard at the emergency/out of hours medical. Where I live, ever since corona hit, they've had a strict 1 friend/relative policy so only one person can ever join the patient inside unless there's a sufficient necessity for it (with agreement of the doctor). This is to limit the number of people being inside as before this policy there was often an overcrowding issue where the majority of the people werent even patients. It also helps reduce spreading of transmittable diseases, considering there will be a lot of sick people at a hospital for obvious reasons.
The problem? This 1 relative policy does not give exceptions to children, which leads to a lot of angry parents when they realize that both parents cant join their child inside at the same time. And one thing I've had happen several times now, is that the the parents, the dad usually, will attempt to argue their way in by claiming that the denial is illegal and use AI to back up their claim.
AI unfortunately tends to confuse the law a bit. Because, by law both patents do have equal rights in joining their child into the ER. That is not the contention here however, because while both have the right to join, that is not to mean at the same time. It just means that we cannot favour one over the other (which we don't). We can't for example specifically say that only the mother can join and the father has to stay out. That decision is up to them, not us since both parents have equal rights on this. But AI will look at this and do not understand that wording whatsoever. Well, actually if you rephrase the question a bit then it will realize it quickly, but if you can manipulate an AI to change sides that easily then that is part of the problem imo.
The issue with AI is that it only says what the majority of people think not necessarily what is true.
It’s not really ‘AI’, it’s machine learning. The data is only as good as the source it learns from.
Agreed. Citing wikipedia is more reliable.
At least Wikipedia lists actual sources
And Wikipedia is a .org!
That's not particularly meaningful these days on its own. Change is also a .org but is run for profit
Thank you for pointing this out. A concerning amount of internet users seem to think an AI summary counts as a source. I work in IT and am astounded at how often I google something and notice the AI summary be blatantly incorrect as i am looking for an actual link for info
I think the best one I have got was when I was searching that does one clinic offer women's health services and the answer was like "Yes, x offers help for women's health problems, like pregnancy complications, endometriosis and psychosis." And I was like "Damn, did the info come from some far right site :D". Sadly I was in incognito and couldn't take screenshot and when I tried to search it off Incognito, I couldn't get the same answer, so I sadly have no proof :(
I once had a situation that led to the search (in German, with the right wording) "is cafe xy in city z closed down?" and I got a "yes, it's closed down because off..." answer. The search "is cafe xy in city z not closed down" got me "yes, the cafe is still operating". It was the last.. Was able to reproduce it, got the screenshots.
Yep, mine was in Finnish. I'm not expert but I suppose that different language might make it be incorrect even easier, as most AI services are made in English, first and foremost.
Free advice for anyone who wants it, if you do a Google search and include "-ai" at the end, the AI response won't show up, it'll be a normal Google search
Or swear in your search no AI response then either
HOLY SHIT, thank youuu!
Wildlife nerd and occasional caribou hunter here. The truth is they're both wrong in the context of Santa's sleigh being pulled on Christmas. He's an idiot and obviously wrong. The responder is wrong because they're slightly oversimplifying it. Google is also wrong here. Caribou and Reindeer both use their antlers to clear snow from the mosses and lichens they eat. Cows and young bulls keep their antlers till the end of winter spring. Mature bulls drop their antlers earlier than the younger bulls because of their hormones but also because heavier antlers pull harder on the loosening connections at the bases. Mature bulls also use their antlers to clear snow from their food and will definitely have them well past Christmas Eve and into the new year. In the western Alaska Caribou Herd and private reindeer herds on the Seward Peninsula I see bulls and cows with their antlers in March. So bulls or cows could together pull Santa's sleigh.
Interesting, that both bulls and cows could be pulling the sleigh. Because the names seem like some are cows and some are bulls. Vixen, seems like a girl name to me. Donder/Donner seems like a boy name. Dancer seems more of a girl's name, Comet boys name.
The reindeer we have in Finland don't work like this, the males drop their antlers in the fall and the females keep them until spring. Basically no male reindeer has their antlers in christmastime but the females usually keep them through the whole winter, only dropping them in the late spring after birthing their calves. Males start regrowing their in march-april and females start regrowing in may-june after birthing.
I'm annoyed that I've had to start adding -ai to most of my searches. I look up a lot of stuff related to the games I play, and the AI is nearly always wrong.
If you're tired of -ai, cursing in the search prompt also silences the robot.
More cathartic, too.
This will be by default from now on, thanks. 🥰
One of the most frightening thing I've encountered in real life was a vet tech admitting to using chat gpt when she had a question about an animal.
My friend and i were both feeling kind of weird/sick the last couple days after a party we went to on Sat. I typed the symptoms into the search engine. The AI suggestion said we have a sleep disorder.
Got a screenshot in my galary where I googled "english national team 1966" and Gemini gave me following results:
Goal: Uli Hoeness
Defense: undefined
Midfield: undefined
Attack: undefined
Its from I think two weeks ago
Yeah, it really feels like there are no winners in this conversation
Actually, according to wikipedia arctic circle populations shed their antlers later, so Santa has the full range of genders available.
I had a friend argue that a cow was actually a bull because it had horns, this was while it had a calf sucking milk from its udders.
Wait till they discover spotted hyenas...
Animals don't give one flying fuck about what humans think their gender roles should be.
What’s the deal with spotted hyenas? I am not familiar with the topic
They got peepees.
...well a pseudo-penis techincally.
Hyenas live in a matriarchal society, and the female hyenas have a pseudo-penis that they give birth through.
(And as you may have already guessed, it often kills both the mother and child, it's honestly wild how common it can be for species to have insanely dangerous childbirths)
They have the longest birth canal/body size ratio of any mammal. Their birth canal also has a sharp turn that the babies can get stuck in. They also have unusually narrow birth canals.
And, the pseudo-penis is actually their clitoris
It kinda is in humans too. The clitorus and head of the penis grow from the same part in a fetus.
Yeah, but at least we don't have to give birth through it
I mean, humans have a high child birth rate due to modern medical intervention. It wasn’t uncommon for mothers or children to die due to child birth but that long ago. There’s a reason there’s an emphasis on prenatal care.
My mom was a maternity nurse, it's terrifying how much medical intervention is often needed to save the mothers. A *lot* of donor blood is often needed. I remember her telling me about a mom who needed 7 liters of donor blood. That means her ENTIRE bloodsupply was more than replaced.
That’s what pisses me off about these non-vaxxers and anti-medicine idiots. The only reason they are able to have those beliefs is because they have had it so good that they forget the reason is advancement in medicine.
Many women still encounter complications during pregnancy and/or childbirth that can have lifelong lasting consequences. Not to mention that fatality rates regarding childbirth lay a lot higher in less well-off countries. The disparities between countries are huge, and we're making less progress in preserving lives overall globally, too.
The WHO has a factsheet about maternal deaths surrounding childbirts. But they use numbers from 2023. It wouldn't surprise me if we'd see a negative trend now after more States in the US have made it nigh impossible to 'abort' even unviable fetuses to perserve the mother's life, or when it's clearly required to save their life, too. Here is one of many articles that show the negative consequences of those bans already.
Well, the US is pretty high on the Infant mortality stats compared to similar countries as is. I think it was around the 150th highest spot out of 193 countries. You'd think with all the money they could easily be in at least the last 10 or so spots, but nope.
I know, that's part of my point. I was curious about why it worked out that way evolutionarily speaking for so many species?
I know evolution goes for what works, not what works best, and clearly it works well enough for the species not to die out, but still, it's interesting.
Not animal related, but i had an argument with a friend over whether or not the star Sirius was the north star. While standing on a beach looking at the Gulf of Mexico. Couldn't be more south.
I don't know, you can't see the Gulf of Mexico from the south pole.
Why is it so hard for people to just say, “you’re right. I was talking out of my ass there.”
Because in this case they are arguing by proxy about whether women can be strong or not. The guy objecting got upset by the message that women can be strong and independent, and wants to refute that. But because the argument turned into "do female deer keep their antlers" as a proxy for "can women be strong and independent", he cant admit the first without admitting the second.
I bet it's going to take a lot more convincing to get to the guy to admit to the second.
I'd bet he's incapable of admitting that women can be strong and independent. I'd love to be proven wrong though...
Dude received actual information and doubled down with an all caps “UR KIND” response accusing the other person of being messed up.
I’m not going to say personal growth is impossible for him but it seems unlikely.
That kind of person does that a lot. You could have proof that refutes their point right in front of them and they will double down with some bullshit how this example doesn't count.
It's an inherent step in becoming that kind of person. You can't be right-wing reactionary unless you violently reject things like proof and logic.
Like how Richard Dawkins, when presented with the fact that sex isn't binary (intersex), pooh poohs it away as being too few and statistically trivial.
Dawkins, you're a scientist, you should know what "binary" means.
You know, I used to say that Dawkins did fine as long as he stuck with biology, and was just rubbish at everything else he tried to stick his arrogant oar in.
I'm really quite pleased to be proved wrong. He's just a nonsense on all levels.
But is he, really ?
Well, he's got an 'ology'
Scientology ?
Lol, quite possibly! 😂
I remember during my edgy anti-theist phase I went to a "reason rally" at a local highschool in 2012 where Dawkins was one of the speakers, and he is or at least was, an open proponent of what he called "negative eugenics" which is using genetic screening or editing to remove or cure congenital defects. The intentions are usually good if we were to limit it to things like hemophilia or butterfly skin disorder , stuff that causes children immense pain and leads to very low lifespans, but it's a slippery slope and I'm guessing Dawkins probably thinks intersex conditions could some day be "eugenixed away".
Agreed, the question ends up being 'who decides what is undesirable and what is not?'
The answer never ends up being good.
Ahh. When all else fails pull out good old transphobia
It’s so dumb because even if he was able to accept that those are all female reindeer, that doesn’t “proof” that human women are strong, which is what this guy is obviously not wanting to accept.
But he probably also believes that men need to be tough and loud because he read something about alpha wolves once and it would be too complex to assume that sometimes things in nature can follow similar rules but that sometimes they don’t do that.
And yet he doesn’t know the simplest things about wildlife, which he considers a man’s area of expertise.
The alpha thing is even funnier because THAT TOO was disproven.
Disproven by who? Cuckboy soyentists?
/s
Wait until he finds out that female lions are the main hunters.
And that in many species of birds, especially raptors, the females are generally bigger and stronger than the males.
Anti-feminists or trans/homophobes will often use biology as their argument even though they don't know shit about it. If they get confronted with matriarchal animals, animals that can be intersex or animals that have documented cases of homosexual behavior between them, they can't accept it, because it would destroy their entire argument.
He’ll prove you wrong, but only to spite you.
Spitefully silent
I dunno, the "ur kind" bit makes me think he is trying to turn this into an argument about trans women tbh.
That and by extension any women "exhibiting male traits" is from hormonal imbalances or whatever medical condition that they can use to class it as "unnatural" and thus against their 2-dimensional natural order, rather than admit that nature operates on spectrum of diversity.
They say that to cis women, too. Particularly ones that are being too argumentative and uppity. If the poster was a cis woman, they could be saying she’s acting like she’s got a hormonal imbalance.
With the "Ur kind" comment, it sounds more like he believes that the *entire animal kingdom* works off of the gender binary of a 50's talking animal cartoon and, therefore, a female animal having horns "like a dude" is some kind of trans thing. Would also explain why he then tries to write it off as a "hormonal imbalance": Not like those natural, sleek, femme deer with eyelashes and naturally occurring bow.
And it’s likely also because it conflicts with the rigid gender roles he was taught to believe is true of humans and that all other species automatically also abide by…….male = OOGA BOOGA, strong, protector, ALFA vs. female = submissive, obedient, omega, needs constant protection, incapable of rational thought, exists to serve the male.
Does anyone else see a conflict with these Alpha Male Bootcamps where 50 “Alpha males” are treated like dogs, nearly drowned in mud, verbally abused and they all obey like good little submissives?
I definitely think these psychological toughness camps get a little sus 😝
It's usually based on military training, because they associate the military with macho manly stuff. Except that a lot of military training is about reducing individuality, creating a relexive obedience of authority, and ensuring soldiers can function as small cogs in a very large machine. Which is kind of the opposite of what they say they want.
They deal with this contradiction by ignoring it.
I mean, they obviously are against individuality. If you don't fit the strict norm of strong, emotionless men whose goal is to work hard and find a wife who will raise and feed your children, you're practically worthless.
Imagine being that insecure. That's honestly kinda sad. I think the guys like that might need counseling. Why can't we all be strong and support each other?
I mean... Santa doesn't exist, reindeers are not homo sapiens.
Or even "you're right. I learned something today."
Hell I didn't know female reindeer grew antlers. I too would have assumed it was the same as regular forest deer. So I got to learn something today and that's neat. It definitely goes on the "Almost Certainly Useless Knowledge" pile... and that's a big pile... but fuck it. It wasn't in any pile before now.
I love the “Almost Certainly Useless Knowledge” pile. It’s easily my biggest pile of knowledge!
People who think that they know more than they do usually don't like to admit when they don't know something.
The first rule of Dunning Kruger Club is: "You dont know you're in Dunning Kruger Club"
And the second rule is: "If you know that you're in Dunning Kruger Club then you are out"
Usually because they're not enunciating properly, and their underwear and pants muffle their voice.
Ego
Because it's all about them being right.
Whenever they learn that they were wrong about something, the goalposts are moved to a new target and the old target (plus anything they said about it) is discarded.
If you try to address how they were wrong, they will make a new attempt to be right about what you just said to make your statements be somehow wrong, making them right, typically in the most pedantic ways just to get a tiny sliver of being right.
I think, in this situation, it's more about the message he's trying to argue with, the whole "women can be strong" thing. ☺️
But, I also ask myself this question a lot. I saw a guy on a video not too long back that miscalculated simple math on a newscast, immediately recoiled in embarrassment, laughed at himself, and smiled, shaking his head in embarrassment. It was awesome to see someone just admit to being wrong, laugh it off, and move on with their life. So rare. And it's so sad that it's so rare.
Saying that is like a superpower.
It's so liberating! Arguments just end instantaneously and everyone feels better.
It's because that's the only part they think and talk with. The top part is just for looks
Practically every online discussion is about “winning” more than it is a genuine exchange of ideas.
Right? I would have just said 'grade school lied to' because I thought they couldn't grow antlers either because a grade school teacher told me so.
I have to assume its a pride/ego thing.
We a society of fragile egos
One of them is named Vixen...
Rudolph is a male name i guess but he has a glowing nose those antlers in winter are not the craziest thing that guy has going on.
True, although Rudolph was also a very recent addition and not in the "Night before Christmas" poem which named them originally.
At the very least I'd expect the following to be female:
The others are mostly unisex names. "Cupid" is the only explicitly male name, although I could easily see it behind used for a female deer.
I guess "thunder and lightning" might be considered male-coded, but I don't think they have to be.
TL; DR: even the names make them seem more likely female than male.
Dancer, Prancer, and Vixen are all female, so is Donner, even though it's a more masculine name. Because of Donner's importance, Donner's husband is sometimes referred to as Mr. Donner. This led to the misconception that Mr. Donner was the actual Donner, and the actual Donner was Mrs. Donner.
The other reindeer maintain their antlers through Christmas magic.
I heard they have great parties though!
Ain’t no party like a Donner party!
They have excellent ladyfinger sandwiches!
Prancer feels like one of those names that used to be masculine but has turned into nearly only feminine, like Lindsay *or McKenzie. I feel like I can see a man-reindeer centaur in a powdered wig and heeled shoes like the 18th century named Prancer.
Caribou cows do grow antlers, but please don't normalize relying on AI summaries for information - they are wrong all the time.
My one friend does this shit ALL the time when trying to prove a point in an argument. They'll crop out the search bar as well, and try to make it seem like it's from an article or something lmfao.
It's so annoying though cause that AI isn't always right, like when it tells you to use glue to make a cheese pizza.
Yes, they're the "I do SO MUCH research" type too.
Another good one is if you look up “elephant meat recipes” because somebody apparently made a pretty famous joke recipe for elephant stew or something that’s like “cut the elephant meat up into bite size pieces, this will take up to 2 months to complete”
I feel like this information is still technically correct, if you're willing to ignore the legalities of cooking an elephant and are doing it by hand...
Wait, you're not supposed to use glue to make pizza?
Only if it’s boneless. Bone-in pizza has enough structure on its own.
Wait....you dont need to use glue on bone-in? Fuck I've wasted so much money.
Some enjoy the flavour! Try oven roasted glue—it’s my favourite. ☺️
Ooo oven roasted! I've been boiling it
I just don't want them shits on my pizza!
Don't forget, eat six small rocks each day
According to Google, yes. According to my stomach and the doctor's.....no.
Silly Triskelion24...you were meant to use school-glue. Kids eat it all the time so it has to be safe. /j
Ooohhhh, that makes a lot of sense. I used the kind for huffing. The alley cats finally left so I got plenty lying around.
That's what I've been doing wrong.
It's fixed now but I was watching this old movie "Murderer's Row" and wanted to know if the hovercrafts in the movie were real or just made for the movie
Google AI summary said there were no hovercrafts in the movie.
One of its sources was the movie's wikipedia page... which made mention of the hovercrafts. Like 1/4 of the friggin movie took place on hovercrafts lol
I’ve come to the conclusion the best research is in books.
Just gotta watch out for those AI-generated books these days. (Wayyyy too many crafting ones when you search Amazon!) But reading actual, peer-reviewed journal articles in respected scientific journals is also still a pretty good option for the most part. If you understand the subject. Which is a huge barrier to them, I know (that and the cost).
I really dislike that this is considered normal now. Even if you are right, please don't screenshot ai to support your argument, that doesn't help you, and it shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
Remember when wikipedia was "untrustworthy"? I'd gladly take a wikipedia entry over any kind of AI response.
I'd take the information in a Snapple cap over what AI says.
I was trying to figure out if the fuchsia plant was named for the colour or vice versa. AI said the plant was named for the colour which was named after the plant. Word for word (I screenshotted it) “The fuchsia plant is named after the color fuchsia, which is a vibrant pinkish-red hue. The color fuchsia was named after the flower of the fuchsia plant, which in turn was named after the 16th-century German botanist Leonhart Fuchs.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/1jnfykv/yep_thats_definitely_what_that_means/
Yeah, combine LLMs' inherent flaws with the amount of (self-)censorship common in the modern internet largely because of US and Chinese cultural hang-ups, and it becomes harder than it should be to get some information. I wonder how long it'll take before AI summaries start claiming sex education increases teen pregnancies or that nothing ever happend in Tiananmen Square.
That's Fuchsed.
The European reindeer do as well. Including the domesticated ones, which one would assume Santa's reindeer belong to... Would be kinda weird if he used wild animals.
He is magical, and specifically an elf, though
I would have thought of Nicholas of Myra as a generous bishop in what is now Türkiye, but magical elf is probably okay too.
This is the problem; reindeer have subspecies when people think they are all just one species...AI summaries don't differentiate between them.
I think the wrong guy here isn't thinking of reindeer at all, but assuming based on other kinds of deer native to where he lives.
Exactly what I was going to say. OP was right in this case but "See, the ai agrees with me" is absolutely not a clapback.
If someone posted an AI summary to prove me wrong I'd laugh in their face. And I have.
Especially Gemini in the Google search. Also, it interprets anything I search as a prompt and more often than not it tells me “xyz is not a real phrase” and fuck you very much Google, search for that and shut up.
Whaaaaaat? The AI that trained on people like that commenter who is wrong can be wrong???
I'm surprised the kids who rely on AI arent very sceptical of it. It pulls from plenty of cookers.
I had an AI "expert" that was arguing that AI (ChatGPT) is very reliable. I posted her comment in ChatGPT and asked it to rate it based on accuracy. It gave her comment 2/10, saying it's mostly false and misleading and broke down why. And then she started to argue with the AI response, claiming I wrote the prompt in a way to get that response or that I just wrote it entirely. She even said I was trying to hurt her feelings... THE ENTIRE RESPONSE WAS FROM AI! lol
My god I hate people using the AI synopsis in arguments... Just link to the actual source rather than screenshotting the Google page
but, come on, how often is the AI synopsis wrong? /s
https://imgur.com/a/TqHk30T
But the question is... is that answer wrong
Schrödinger's AI summary.
It's like AI dumbception.
Once I was asking Google about something to do with Weevils, and the AI changed mid way to Youevils. I love AI.
Ai told me it wasn't wrong
It’s almost like just including a link to lmgtfy, but if google was drunk.
In other news, TIL female reindeer grow antlers.
Me too. Don't care about whatever the fuck is going on with the keyboard warrior ego shit post, but always feels good to be a little more educated
During the winter their feet get wider and furrier, so they can stay warm and walk on snow easier. Essentially, they grow snow shoes every winter.
This is such a cool fact and I'm so glad I learned this. I wonder if moose do too or if they just dominate the snow into submission 🤔🫠😂
Okay thats a pretty good fact
I always just assumed they were a mix of males and females judging by their names. Why do they have to be all male OR all female?
And besides, we're talking about MYTHOLOGICAL FLYING REINDEER. One of which, whose nose lights up enough to act as a beacon.
Why is gender or their ability to grow antlers, or not, where the line is?
Plus these arguments always conveniently leave out that working male deer are typically castrated to make them less aggressive and able to be around female deer. As a consequence, they can keep their antlers into the winter.
Because it's engagement farming rage bait almost certainly created by troll accounts. One need only look at their names to see they are a mixture of male and female reindeer and look up rutting habits to know that yearlings (young male reindeer) keep their antlers until spring.
It is all about fucking in-groups up.
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"That's not all, Zyblorp. Sometimes they kill each other over finite fossil fuels instead of investing more in renewable energy."
I do that everyday.
Hormonal imbalance?
Injury?
I love how it went from "never" to "yes, but abnormal reason only"
They do love moving goal posts
Probably because they don’t even realize that reindeer are real and not just a different type of deer. I’ve been to a few holiday themed things, where they claim to have reindeer, but they’re just deer.
There’s a really awesome reindeer farm in Kentucky, they rescue and breed them. You can even have an experience with them, briefly pet them, and get pictures with them “pulling” a sleigh. It’s great and all the proceeds go to their care and preservation of reindeer.
Fun Fact: during the winter reindeer get “snow shoes”. Their feet get wider and furrier, so they can stay warm and walk on snow easier.
It's right this time but please stop citing AI
I like how there response was "sure I guess woke trans deer can!"
yes, this is correct, however, DO NOT RELY ON AI OVERVIEW. IT IS UTTER DOGSHIT 99% OF THE TIME.
I’m just here to complain about the highlighting job
Gonna be honest here, I had no idea female reindeer grew antlers either. Thought it was just males. I would never have been this smug about it though
Dudes dumb as fuck, but I think it’s weird to think male magical reindeeer couldn’t keep their antlers.
I also think it’s weird that anyone is talking about the gender of magical fictitious reindeer…
That being said said.. all the reindeer have names that sound like they would be women’s names except for Rudolph.
You know this guy lost his shit about the Ghostbusters remake too
4 female Ghostbusters? The feminists are taking over!
I’m an adult virgin
And my mom said there's nothing wrong with that.
If he really wanted to be insistent about sex, it would be easy enough to just go "reindeer also don't typically fly, there may be some artistic license at play here." Instead, he did what Tropic Thunder taught us never to do.
The whole situation is so funny to me.
1) Someone posts a female empowerment meme about how fictional deer mirror real life women. I support the message, but the meme is straight up stupid.
2) Then a guy, seemingly upset about the message that meme successfully conveyed to him, talks out of their ass in a gotcha attempt.
3) Then someone comes in and takes down the guy by posting a google AI summary, which are notorious for missing details or just being flat out wrong.
This is a very Twitter conversation and a very Reddit moment for being screenshot and shared.
I was waiting for the person who didn't know that a reindeer was a real animal; thought it was made up for the Santa Claus story.
Weak men will drag us all down.
I will never understand these oblivious assholes. It's so easy to just go "Oh, neat, I didn't know that." and move on with your life knowing something you didn't know before.
are you telling me the fluoride is also TURNING THE DEER TRANS?!? WE HAVE TO GET THE FLOURIDE OUT. FIRST THE FROGS NOW THE DEER. WHEN WILL THESE LIBTARDS STOP
Can we address that remark "the screwed up ones, your kind"? And what kind is that exactly? Does the manosphere now have opnions on hormonal imbalances? Gynecomastia and PCOS? Hyperthyroidism? Cushings syndrome?
I think part of the confusion here comes from the fact that Santa's reindeer are typically depicted as looking more like whitetail deer than actual reindeer, and female whitetail deer typically do not have antlers. Most of the issue, however, is this dude using reindeer as an excuse to be an assmaster about gender politics.
So… women have antlers. Got it.
Wow gonna be honest I didn't know this and was also pretty quick to assume the AI summary was flawed somehow. So then... guess what... I googled it myself and looked at an actual source and learned something new!
I dont fully blame the guy for strongly believing that female reindeer dont have antlers, because it's true for Deer and I thought the same thing. I dont blame him for not trusting an AI summary because no one should. But then he doubles down and fully looks like an idiot because he didn't just Google it himself and do better research.
They got names like Vixen and Cupid dude.
Prancer.
Depends on the subspecies. Some female caribou CAN grow antlers but not all of them do. Also, males do not shed their antlers if they are castrated, which most working reindeer are. So...all of Santa's reindeer can be male but they would all have lost their balls.
Pro tip: Don't waste your time arguing with people who can't be bothered to type out the word "you".
I don't really like AI being used here, but like... Come on... Literally the first freaking result in google is articles and zoology studies about how females are last to shed (technically pregnant females specifically) their antlers, and how FUCKING FAST they grow. Good god.
Lots of people have some sort of weird "gender absolutist" when it comes to horns/antlers in any animal. Post a picture of a cow with horns and it's practically a guarantee that someone will drop out of the sky to "um akshually" insist it's a bull.
The double down is the most egregious part
Castrated Elks also keep their antlers, something used by the Sami people for generations. So either deer, castrate ells, or both.
There are some reindeer at a local Zoo and the males are neutered and that made their antlers grow like some kind of nightmarelers.
Really asking chatGPT…
Using Google AI synopsis makes you instantly uncredible.
Cite a real source.
Why is he so invested in female deer not having antlers.
Whitetail females don't grow antlers. The guy is assuming reindeer are the same.
My 6 year old son can answer this for you because we just did a complete lesson yesterday on the anatomy of reindeer 😂
Anyway both male and female grow antlers
Don’t use ai. A better way to prove the same point would be to find a picture of a female reindeer with antlers giving birth and send it to him. /s (although this would be funny at least to me)
Wait until he finds out some cows have horns.
Yeah I've worked in a zoo and the amount of people who tried to correct me when I called the reindeer girls because of their antlers. Like sorry but they're both girls.
Actual reindeer herder here. You are correct: all reindeer, including females and calves as young as 4 months, grow antlers. Males tend to grow large, impressive antler displays, whereas females tend to be much smaller (especially when their nutrients are channeled toward pregnancy and feeding a calf). Calves will develop little twig-like antlers too! Hormonal imbalance, can affect the shedding of the velvet, which is the skin that covers the antlers during growth and provides blood supply. Males that have been castrated will not shed their velvet as cleanly as other reindeer, due to not having the hormone levels that cause it to shed, and will retain the dead tissue long after antler growth has ceased. Castrated males also tend to retain their antlers later into the season than intact bulls. Conversely, females that have been contracepted can lose their antlers early (also believed to be due to hormone imbalance).