The 14th amendment was ratified by congress which the American people elect. It was introduced by the Republican party (so I guess they’re dropping the parties didn’t switch and democrats are the kkk party rhetoric?) , and debated between 1866 and 1868 so yes it was discussed then voted on it. The Supreme Court didn’t invent it either only reinforced in Wong Kim Ark
That and voters don’t vote on constitutional amendments, the elected representatives do per the constitution itself.
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If your whole point is that ‘the people never voted on it,’ then why the hell are you okay with a president or a court wiping out a constitutional amendment on their own? If you actually believe the people should decide directly, then the only legit path is a new amendment. Anything else is just you picking and choosing when democracy matters
Like all their arguments, the stance they take is only consistent in that the rules only matter if it helps them get their way.
100% I have had a few conversations with idiots and bots on fb where they either don't get that it's not about birthright citizenship but executive overreach or the ends justify the means.
Ive actively avoided places I used to enjoy going in my town just so I dont have to listen to, or argue with these idiots...my favorite bar (even though I don't drink much) is a block from my house but I haven't been there in like 10 years just to avoid the maga morons in there, especially the ones that collect SSDI and other so called entitlements they are supposed to be against...its gets tiring trying to make them realize that no one is standing 100 feet from the border handing illegals ebt cards, insurance cards and registering them to vote...or trying to remind the many anti socialist guys who got out of hs went straight to the military and then went to a government job until they retired and get their social security, that they have done nothing but live off socialism their whole lives...its exhausting
I hear ya. I can't with these people anymore. I'd rather just avoid them completely.
That's why it's called a bad faith argument, you big silly.
I think that's about 95% of all arguments on the internet.
wErE nOt A dEmOcRaCy!1!1
YOU'RE NOT EATING FOOD! You're eating beef!
Food in this economy?!
Its the latest diet. Great for people who want to lose weight but can't afford GLP-1s...or uh, food. The south is slimming down, by damn, whether it wants to or not. (Insert Dueling Banjos here)
It will have lasting effects on the health of the nation as a whole, in the form of population control cuz covid didn't kill enough people. Now they will starve to death also.
Its in that plan for 2025. What? You say you didn't see that part? Learn to read, idiots. /s (not sure if I need that /s)
Omg, not one of those repeated talking points. We use the democratic process of voting. You’re not driving a car, it’s an automobile, or motor carriage. You people pretend you have knowledge of the constitution because you heard about a definition and get to use it occasionally as if it means what you think it does. Grow up.
It would have been better if you'd continued to read the comments before contributing yours. Patience is a virtue, grasshopper.
They believe it's perfectly fine to subvert democracy as long as it hurts people they don't like.
This. It doesn't even have to benefit them. It just has to stick it to someone they don't like.
That is pretty hilarious actually, since it is coming from the same crowd that will "proudly proclaim" that USA is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
That is ofc, unless the constitution contains something they do not like. Which is most things that ot contains. Deep down they only care about the 2nd amendment and that's about it.
Aren't we a Democratic Republic?(Sorry if I'm wrong I don't quite remember clearly but I'm pretty sure that's what we were taught)
And with that logic no president was ever democratically elected as only presidential electors from the Electoral College do lol
And why can we not wipe out the second one of those?
Because they need to be holding a rifle to achieve an erection.
Nothing good ever comes of erections while armed.
Technically the circle of life can be complete while hard and armed.
That’s their entire life, picking and choosing which part of religion to follow and which part politics they want.
They do not want a democracy, literally, listen to them when they tell you…
The time to stop people who have literally attempted a coup and don’t want democracy is BEFORE they are reelected, not after…
We are genuinely fucked, most people just don’t want to come to terms with that fact yet…..
It was pretty damn easy to see that writing on the wall, and I'm not even in the damn country. 😅
If we truly care about the people deciding, then selectively choosing when democracy counts completely undermines the argument.
But now some MAGA claim democracy is communism and we shouldn't be able to vote directly on issues (which we don't already), but here they're claiming its wrong that we didn't get to vote on this. The hypocrisy never ends, and its unsurprising to see every time they don't understand the systems in place when it doesn't suit them.
This new right-wing humbug about "not a democracy!" is one of the wildest pieces of idiocy I've witnessed in my life.
I'm old'ish (all things being relative). My entire life it's always been "Murica is the greatest democracy in the world!" boasting. Sometimes, as a non-American, rather annoyingly so.
But I never thought I'd live to see the day when I had to defend the fact that the US is a democracy... And that I'd be doing it against Americans.
This shit is so topsy-turvy I don't even know what to do with it any more. 🤷🤦♂️
2A is only as good as 14A.
Hypocrisy.
The answer is always hypocrisy.
Where are those who took an oath to defend the Constitution? There used to be a group called oath keepers. Where are they now? Wrong answers only.
People do not understand the difference between a democratic republic and a pure democracy. And they sure as shit don't understand which one USA is
Honorable mention, there is a clause pertaining to birthright citizenship that it does not apply to foreign diplomats or hostile forces. One could easily make the argument that "hostile forces" is reasonably applicable to illegal entrants and unlawful overstayers.
How can you argue with people so divorced from facts. There's really no point.
This. There is no point engaging with bad faith hypocrites who just want any excuse to be their true selves: bigoted shitstains destroying civilization.
They aren't necessarily bad faith hypocrites. There are plenty of incredibly poorly educated pawns.
The USA, a supposedly developed nation. What was the percentage of illiterate adults?
You can be poorly educated and also not openly hostile to new information. At some point if you arent willing to listen to new information and you dismiss a ythung counter to your preestablished views its willful ignorance. And I would argue denial moreso than ignorance at that point - theres intent behind being uninformed.
You can't argue that the Supreme Court justices are poorly educated pawns. The conservative justices are simply bad faith shitstains. I would not call them hypocrites. They know exactly what they are doing. And when they put together an argument to do whatever their bigotry puts them in mind to do, they just ignore facts, the written word, precedent, whatever they need to ignore, and make shit up.
Well, yes. When you are talking the courts, congress, and people that clearly DO know better, it is very hard to come to any conclusion that excludes malicious intent.
Exactly. It cant be accidental. At least not for the people at the highest levels. We absolve them of a lot of responsibility by calling Congress and other government collaborators stupid. People like MTG might not be that intelligent, but they arent nearly as stupid as they pretend.
The conversation was as I saw it mostly regarding the idiots that voted for them, not the crooks at the top. There is no absolution for them, no abrogation of responsibility. They know what they did.
When a Trumper starts to argue with me, I tell him (it is usually "him") to vote how he wants and otherwise keep his opinions to himself. Life is too short to try to drag these simpletons forward out of the 1950s.
You mean the 1930's.
Obligatory:
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words"
But don't you dare ban guns because SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT
You mean the one that no citizen ever got to debate or vote on directly?
But that's different because reasons
It would be great if these constitutional conservatives would actually learn about the constitution.
Next you’ll want them to read their Bible? Outlandish sir!
It’s so much easier to use what you assume the Bible says in order to decide what the constitution should say.
They don't read their own bible, if they did, they'd become atheists
If not atheists they at least wouldn't be conservatives 🙄
For those that maybe don't know.
14th Amendment Section 1.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-2/ALDE_00000812/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Proposal_by_Congress
It was voted on and passed by the senate, and even then it was about racism.
Not just the senate, it needs to be ratified by 3/4s of the states. Can be through referendum or legislature, but it has to be 3/4s
E: convention not referendum. Thats only been done once to repeal prohibition so it was an easy mistake to make. The other 26 went to legislature.
It was ratified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Ratification_by_the_states
I know. You only said it was voted on and passed by the senate, I was highlighting that there was more to the amendment than a simple senate vote.
Ah.
I could be incorrect, but I believe "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the point that's being argued. If a child is born here when the mother, who is not a citizen and neither is the father, is in the US for work, just visiting, or has entered illegaly, are they deemed as being subject to that jurisdiction, even though they are temporarily here and will/should be leaving soon to go to the country of which they are a citizen?
Yes.
Because otherwise the cops couldn't arrest them for anything.
You know how there's often a joke about "diplomatic immunity"? That's who is not "subject to jurisdiction."
Everybody else is subject, regardless of how they got here.
And yes, that was specifically the point of the amendment, because it was meant to counteract theories that slaves and freed slaves couldn't be citizens because of how they arrived in the country.
WTF is there to argue before SCOTUS?
"Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court, I submit to you that the 14th amendment isn't, uh, really a thing. Also, the earth isn't round. It's shaped like a giant burrito."
I mean, the conservatives on the court might go along with it, they hate the 14th amendment
Because one of these days Thomas is going to just give up all pretense and literally write a majority opinion saying simply "Because fuck you, that's why".
Tell me more of this Burrito earth theory
Oh good. "The Left" boogieman appears again. Conservative are physically incapable of accepting any blame for anything at any time. It will always be someone else, always.
It was the left, but also it was Republicans, but also the party switch never happened. Their intellect is truly dizzying.
What they mean is, the Confederacy never voted on it
Well . . . Southern states did, in fact, ratify the 14th amendment. Initially, they refused. Then, Congress passed the Reconstruction Acts, which conditioned readmission to the Union on ratifying it. So . . . it could be argued that the southern states were blackmailed into ratifying it. But . . . the former confederate states did, in fact, vote on it.
Yeah but that was the old confederacy.
The south rose again, just like they threatened to all them years.
This is the new confederacy.
They never agreed to nothing.
Not really. They fought a war to NOT be members of the Union, then demand control over the Union when it comes to the rights of the people born or naturalized and residing in their states.
no.
Oh, so NOW it’s the left helping out the slaves.
Personally, I think birthright citizenship is one of the best things Republicans have ever done for this country. I can’t understand why they’re so ashamed of it now.
Because the Republicans of the time were the left, and Democrats the right. Once the Dixiecrats fled to the Republican party, it stopped being the party of Lincoln's day.
They aren't ashamed of the 14th, they hate it as they do all manner of civil rights for anyone that's not in their crowd.
They only care about the distinction between Republicans in those days vs Republicans now when they’re pretending not to be the racist ones.
They didn't believe that really happened though.
Do these fuck wits not understand that anyone born in the us then isnt a us citizen, even those born to us citizens? Simply the death of a nation by 10000 paper cuts.
Oh no, you see, by their argument you get to still be an American if your parents were Americans.
The fact that this is literally just kicking the argument back by one generation is either lost on them, or they stand there smirking because they know exactly where the argument leads (which is to only white male descendants of the original colonists, and maybe some other people who looked like them, getting to be citizens) and they're waiting for you to say it for them.
See the issue i would raise is we all get it or none get it. This land was already inhabited by others the colonists took land. So yeah. The "white" part can gtfo also California and most of the south west as given to us by Mexico and those who stayed were given American citizenship. This administration is filled with calculating people who love idiots who wont do research on their bullshit. So stupid.
The people of the US don't generally vote on Federal laws.
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I would ask him if that applies to the 2nd Amendment as well. We all know what answer he'd give. These people are as predictable as the sunrise.
see what had happened was george washington went up a mountain for three days and came back down with the 10 amendments.
There were 15, but then he tripped and dropped one of the three tablets of the law. You know, the ones that say racists and bigots are actually right!
I thought he crossed the Delaware and came back with the Commandments?
No, he went up to the top of Mount Vernon, and one of George Bush's ancestors was there and on fire, for some reason.
By his logic, no one voted on the 2nd Amendment either
That one was from God, yannow
Oh so God can vote on Amendments now? 😂
God: waves hands
::Constitution Amends::
So the 14th amendment just sprang out of nowhere? It’s amazing that things can just materialize in our Constitution!
I also like to point out that the amendment specifically states that a person must be born to be a citizen. This basically codified that life begins at birth.
its like he is saying the 14th Amend doesn't exist? maybe he does not consider amendment part of the Constitution, but then of course the second amendment isn't part of the constitution oh lord
Their logic gives me headaches
It's probably the liberal weather control machines that make stuff appear in the Constitution.
<sage nodding>
They must think we have Star Trek’s transporter and can just “beam” in a new section.
Nobody voted to eliminate a woman's right to choose, either, yet here we are.
Daily reminder that conservatives are really fucking stupid.
You don't have to vote anymore, the only promise Trump has ever kept in his life.
Also, representatives were elected, but there's really no reason to discuss history like that since it doesn't really matter anymore.
That's the point of a republic. We elect representatives. They vote on things on our behalf. During this 118th Congress there have been 11,000. I have no desire to vote on thousands upon thousands of bills every year. So technically we did vote for this.
Never voted for elon either, but y’all couldn’t wait to let him do congress’ job
Dickheads On Government Emoluments
Thank Republicans for removing civics from schools with their " no child left behind"....Unless those children need food then all bets are off.
If America followed the popular vote instead of the electoral college. Donnie would be a Carnival barker by now. Oh, wait he is. Step right this way. See how we pervert justice and the American way. Buy a meme coin. Be a man.
Is this an admission that Republicans were in fact the liberals and progressives at one time?
Yeah, all those damn crazy pinko lefty liberals back in 1868
They are just constantly confidently incorrect
TIL quite a bit about birthright citizenship
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Today you learned you learned?
Humor me, my braincell is busy
😂😂😂
He's so fiiiine
Doo lang doo lang doo lang
(I "heard" it, too.)
They want to be known as the party of Lincoln while ignoring the party ideology switch and trying to dismantle everything Lincoln worked for
"Willingly, knowingly, or politically" is a complicated set of modifiers. Perhaps descriptive of our times.
We've been voting in people who have shown no hint on removing or altering the 14th Amendment since 1868. So, we have voted "Yes" for Birthright Citizenship for over 150 years.
If God King Daddy Trump didn't bring it up, it wouldn't even be an issue.
Ultimately, MAGA doesn't really care what justification is used to rationalize their racism, as long as they're able to make people with skin color even a shade darker than printer paper suffer. ANY flimsy excuse will do. And I do mean ANY, considering the incredible stupidity of this regime. I think we should continue to point it out just for the sake of elevating facts, but I don't think we should have any expectation it will alter the opinions of MAGA. MAGA really does not care and I don't believe that's hyperbole.
Have you seen Americans lately? Most 'white' people wouldn't pass your muster.
He loves the poorly educated, he feeds them hate a cruelty (that they re addicted to), and they kept him out of prison by voting for him...
That is perhaps a failing of your system. The only way to amend the Australian Constitution is by a Constitutional Referendum-----AND we have compulsory voting, so nobody can moan that a particular amendment wasn't "put to the people". Coming along "late to the party" sometimes has its advantages!
The Constitution doesn’t have to be literal. In fact while some of it is, most of it is up to interpretation. And this is most often on purpose. Once the courts (including perhaps scotus) declares something constitutional, it is; or unconstitutional, then it isn’t. That’s it.
The courts having judicial review is also not in the constitution. It is something the courts gave themselves along the way.
Sure, but that point is moot at best, pedantic at worst.
Meaning, it's impossible to rule on cases without interpreting the constitutionality of the laws and facts involved in the case. If it's not scotus' job to interpret constitutionality just because the constitution doesn't explicitly say it needs to, then it takes an otherwise well balanced three-legged co-equal branch design and tip it over.
It's like saying, hey, why did you crack open the eggs when making that egg-based recipe, when the recipe doesn't literally say to crack open the eggs first. When it's like, duh, you have to crack open the egg to get to the egg stuff.
So all Marbury does is it takes what the constitution rationally implies and makes it literal. And so until Marbury is overturned or overruled (which has no sign of ever happening) then judicial review is the law of the land, and it's as good as if it was written in there to begin with.
If birthright is resent, then who is a us citizen? Also, who can be US president and who can’t?
WTF happened to civics classes, US government classes, or even basic fucking U.S. (not whitewashed) history?
Oh wait; these are the same people who fail basic science in hilariously sad ways as well. What was I thinking.
It’s not a coincidence that republican voters are far more likely to not be collage educated
The same party keeps pushing to cut funding to our already failing public schools as well
14th amendment was debated in Congress & ratified by 3/4 of the states AS REQUIRED FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. What nonsense are you talking about it being pushed through?
Exactly. It's impossible for anyone to "push" through a new amendment. It has to be "pulled" through, voluntarily and on purpose by a lot of people using a lot of steps.
That is…. Dazzlingly stupid. I’m almost impressed.
Reminder that we're past the era of misguided people, differing opinions, and the like - they're now just aggressively, knowingly lying to change reality at their convenience. It's now fully malignant.
What they want is what’s happening to England. Lots of police walked off bc the government won’t back them up when enforcing the law against immigrants that are rioting in the streets
Huh?
Note to the addendum at the bottom.
EVERY SINGLE STATE voted for the 14th Amendment. ALL OF THEM.
That's how ratification works.
Ratification requires 3/4 of the states, not all of them.
The Reconstruction Amendments are a bit special because the former Confederate states were required to ratify them in order to be readmitted to the Union, so all the Southern states did ratify it.
Not every Northern state was required to ratify it, only the 3/4.
This is just a test case to see if they will take down constitutional amendments as “unconstitutional”. There are a few that the current GOP would like repealed.
This is incorrect, not confidently incorrect.
By that logic, the entire constitution is just a piece of paper you can choose to ignore. Which is what Trump/MAGA is doing, but for a party that claims to love the constitution, they sure are quick to shred it...
It's like the Bible. It only works if you cherry pick it to fit what you want to be true, and ignore the rest. Magas just use the same skills they learned on Sundays, and apply it to the constitution the rest of the week. Slather on a thick layer of confirmation bias, and voila. Magamurrica.
Conservatives love to claim that we are a republic and not a democracy. And while that entirely misunderstands the definition of republic, we can’t even get to that right now. But then they go around and get upset when checks notes our government functions as a god damn republic instead of a direct democracy. They only get upset about something when it doesn’t go their way.
Right? America is a constitutional federal republic with democratic elements. We're not a pure republic, or a pure democracy, we're a collection of states with elected representation that is overseen by the federal government.
This is why they push for AI, it can be controlled, and they push to dismantle education so you only ask the AI, therefore the next generation is controlled, your rights become an "Need to know basis" and only those in power will have that information. They will rewrite history and indoctrinate people to be as hateful of others as they are, and we're another step closer to the prediction of Idiocracy.
Birthright citizenship is just logical humanity. If a baby of immigrant parents is born in the US they obviously can't be a citizen of a country they've never known and if the US refuses to acknowledge them as their own... Who tf does that help? Like, I want them to think through that situation like it's their own and try to figure out what the fucking baby's guardian will or even could do let alone the baby that just got spawn camped.
Removing birthright citizenship doesn't even help the racists who want this! That's just more fucking work for these lazy assholes unless they go full Confederacy and start reintroducing slavery... And that's something I wouldn't put it pass the Troglodytes that seriously suggest this, even before Trump/Maga... Nah, Maga's existence just bumps up the probability to an unacceptable "more likely than a coin toss" level of chance
I guarantee the SC will use the argument “the Southern States only ratified the 14th Amendment under duress due to “Radical Reconstruction requirements and thus makes the Amendment null and void.”
Edit: also the whole “the parties politically realigned is bullshit” nonsense will suddenly disappear.
Ah yes. Those damn lefties in 1868 under the Andrew Johnson administration.
They dont have a consistent belief on whether the parties switched. When its convenient they believe they didnt (kkk, civil war, etc) when its not they believe the parties did switch
"I personally did not vote on this thing so that means that the American people as a whole do not support it and it should be violated"
Trumptards are the fucking worst, but they have broken clocked onto an actual problem. anchor babies are when someone who is not a citizen enters the u s just in time to give birth for the sole purpose of giving their child us citizenship. Is that the intent of the 14th amendment? 🤷♂️ even I would have a hard time defending that.
Oh hey, if we're relitigating constitutional amendments, then id like to have a little chat about the 2nd.
Is that a problem though? How often does that actually happen? Also, if they want to change it, they can go through the process to pass another amendment. You can’t just ignore the parts of the constitution you don’t like
Hopefully, the supreme court is restrained because they have functionally already overturned chunks of the constitution for trump's benefit already.
Should it be annulled obviously not. but if the supreme court said birthright citizenship is a right, However, it is not a right that can be acquired through nefarious means? i don't know that would be a tough argument to make
This is a wonderful time to remind them that we aren't a democracy, we are a republic. I know this is a bullshit talking point, but I'd love to see their reaction to it being thrown back at them.
Gonna be interesting to see if scotus says the amendment in the constitution is unconstitutional 🤣
god the stupid people in this country. Stupidity willful ignorance and arrogance. It's just so bad.
it's so stupid but i can't help it, what does that say about the 'right to bear arms". although he does not seem to think citizenship is not part of the Constitution but for sure would say 2nd amendment is.
We NEED to see the original post of this! Reading the replies to this crackhead's comment would be mana from heaven
It was approved by Congress and then ratified by the states. It was a prereq to rejoin the union, to ratify it, but that seems fine. I could see that being an argument by some but it would be dumb. As they needed to be readmitted since they left or attempted to do so.
It was voted on by representatives at the state and Federal levels. And then was upheld by judiciary in terms of the meaning.
That is how Amendments work. That some of these people think they are clever in any way is striking. As this is so terribly wrong.
You Voted for the Immediate Removal of Illegal Immigrants without Due Process. - Bill Clinton IIRIA.
LIAR!
So everyone is confused?
Founding fathers were extremely wary of direct elections of anything by the people. The main concern was that people would election a dictator.
They were not for the Will of the People but Protection from the People.
Initially, Senators were appointed by each States governor.
The Electoral System was to provide a way for more knowledgeable individuals to override the Will of the People.
We overtime removed these protections by direct elections of senators and forcing electors to vote for people's choice.
The US is not a system of Majority Rules but more protection of the weak from the strong.
Like Christianity we have lost our way.
You're right on all of this except the protection of the weak from the strong. The "protection from the people" was correct. The founders were a wealthy white minority who required protection from the majority of people voting for more equitable treatment under the law. It was never about protecting the weak; it was protecting the rich from the people.
Thanks.
Weak from strong reflects my view today.
Middle class was created after WW2 by keeping taxes high on wealthy. They tolerated it because after war boom would make them even richer.
Reagen began it's destruction.
WW 2 paid for extending electricity, indoor plumbing and interstates to rural south. Florida would be empty if not for air-conditioning.
Also created the teenage years.
Couldn't agree more. Too many people dont understand the New Deal and how it saved capitalism. They think it's just something we can go back to. 45 years of neoliberal policy has destroyed any chance of that
Taft Republicans hated the New Deal. My family were all staunch Republicans until Nixon.
"The people didn't adopt birthright citizenship" - IF YOU DID NOT SERVE IN THE US ARMED FORCES AT ANY TIME AND AGREE WITH THIS LINE - Get out of the country. Clean and point blank.
If you didn't sign off 4 or more years of your life, and you disagree with BRC, then you disavow your citizenship. Ezpz lemon squeeze.
They are some Americans that are educated out there. Thank you, some are dumb as hell, obviously, they voted for Trump.
Regardless of the “voting” aspect, every time I wonder what their point is really is with pushing this narrative that birthright citizenship is “bad.”
Are they so focused on their hatred of immigrants to see the bigger picture or are they fully aware of the full implications and they like that? As in they approve of certain demographics of people not being citizens by birth based on their skin tone.
37 states wish to disagree.
I mean to be pedantic the 14th amendment also states the census is based on the number of male citizens in a state with the right to vote meaning the census should only count american citizens who are male yea? Also anyone who has ever voiced supporting words of china or russia should be unable to hold office or serve in the military per that same amendment, the letter of the law is very different than the spirit of it also of the males in a state those convicted of crimes aren't supposed to be counted I n the census either also is only supposed to count men 21 or over.
This person really isn't that far off from reality. If the case in the 1890s had gone differently we'd have a totally different doctrine. They've stripped rights away with MUCH more firm grounding in the Constitution.
Indoctrinating me into American exceptionalism/idealism via public school and pop culture media enough to have me sign my life over in defense of the constitution (destroying my mental/physical health), and then having the next president wipe their ass with our rights daily is actually a decent bit.
The 14th was, and those at the time understood it to be, for the former slaves. Not tourists. Not the children born to illegals
You don't even understand how what you said is ironic, do you?
Btw: No human is illegal. Any child born on American soil is an American. Gtfo
Yes you did. Everytime you send someone to DC in your name thats your approval for everything they do while they're there. If you send them back for another term, thats your approval for everything they just did and are about to do. Voting has consequences at every level of the process. City. County. State. Federal. You have a voice. Use it wisely or prepare to be used.
This from the people that say “we are a republic not a democracy” durrrr
Of course they were maneuvered into it... specifically by Grant and Sherman 🤣
I didn’t vote for the 2nd amendment, but I don’t hear complaints about that…