Yes! There’s also the Choctaw whose language helped establish radio codes that the Germans couldn’t break.
Let’s not forget the Harlem Hellfighters who spent more time in the frontline trenches than any other American unit and was the first of the Allied forces to cross the Rhine!
Ghurkas are often smaller in size to many Europeans but fml they are fierce. A cohort used to run a local 10k from their Catterick training base. Their bravery in battle is up with anyone full stop
Only Lancashire Fusiliers, Rifle Brigade, and Royal Artillery won more bravery awards, which given their size compared to the Gurkhas shows how instrumental their contribution was.
Ive got my grandads medals and gurkhas knife he was given. Served in the navy and worked with some of them, some of the stories he used to tell me were wild. They fought HARD.
I don't know if it's apocryphal, or a true tale, but the story about the ghurkas being approached for a paratrooper deployment is just too good to not repeat.
Allegedly, on being briefed that they would be deployed onto the battlefield by jumping out of planes, the NCO of the unit (i believe the commissioned officers were Brits) agreed to the volunteer only mission, but asked if the planes could fly lower for the jump. He was told no, they were already planned for the minimum safe altitude to make sure their parachutes would deploy. The response was something along the lines of
"Oh, we'll have parachutes. Well, I guess that changes things".
Not only is that obviously not true, but it's an old, racist joke about Irish soldiers, because they were stereotypically stupid, in racist British humour.
That's interesting. I'd never heard that take. It was the Gurkha composite battalion at the battle of elephant Point, and I'd never taken it as mocking their stupidity, but admiration for bravery and warrior spirit.
The way I heard it told is that the British officer was asking for any volunteers to jump from a plane, and only a handful of Gurkhas volunteered. When the officer asked the Gurkha officer why so few had volunteered, he went and talked to his men. After a few minutes they all volunteered, when the British officer asked why they had changed their mind the Gurkha officer replied "They didn't realise they would be given parachutes"
I heard the Fat Electrician talk about a time when the Gurkhas were asked to jump out of plane and a small group of them stepped forward…they were unaware parachutes were provided.
The Gurkhas is a name given to Nepalese soldiers. Gurkha people can be used in general to describe Nepalese people it’s quite interchangeable. They are a minority in India but obviously not in Nepal. The Nepalese people who live in India near the border (Darjeeling area for e.g.) sometimes use the spelling Gorkha to differentiate themselves from Nepalis from Nepal, they have lived in this area of India for generations, but generally families live on both sides of what is a porous border. Gorkha and Gurkha are the same word just different spellings and historically have been interchangeable. At the end of British India some Gurkha regiments stayed as part of Indian army and some in British. Nepalis can join UK Indian or Nepal army.
I'm an atheist, and when I saw his atheism show years ago where he basically disrespected people of faith to their faces and smugly shit on all other religions (when, objectively, there's no proof either way) I lost the final scrap of respect that I had for him.
Maher is Cringe Incarnate. In the that show, he ironically embodied everything people hate about self-righteous religious people.
Whenever I find myself sharing an opinion with Bill Maher, I immediately interrogate that opinion. I might land on that same thought, but just because he shares it gives me enough doubt to make me double check my sources.
It's especially bad because he cites that zeitgeist crap where they claim Jesus is the same as Horus and a few other mythical figures. You don't have to know that mucj about Horus to know it's horse hockey.
He's exactly what he mocks in the people he interviewed.
That's logical weak sauce. There is not an equal burden of proof between atheists and god believers. Unless we just want to throw logic out the window entirely, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim that an entity exists, same as if I argued for the existence of ghosts and goblins. You would likely dismiss these claims out of hand if there were no evidence. It's almost the same exact situation with fictional deities. There's no evidence for their existence so the claims can be simply dismissed until there is (though I'm fairly confident there never will be).
People like feeling like they're smarter than others. If you question something that (you think) nobody questions, it's quick to come to the conclusion that you are 'one of the few who know'.
As a result, in my experience, there's generally three types of atheists: insufferable smug ones who are exactly like dogmatic religious people without realizing the irony of that, folks who were raised in an unhealthy religious environment and use their atheism as a tool to help cope with that trauma, and people who are functionally pretty much just agnostic, but used to care and still identify as atheist outwardly.
I'm an atheist who uses agnostic as a descriptor of my atheism. Do I ultimately know if gods exist, no. But I have strong convictions that they do not as described by any religion. Other than that it's a big question mark.
I was formerly in the second category, now fall more into the 3rd. I think the main reason most people like me still continue to self-identify as "atheist" is that "agnostic" is commonly misunderstood as being firmly on the fence rather than being unwilling to take the rather strong epistimological stances that atheism requires.
I'm in a similar boat. I avoid saying I'm agnostic because that implies a belief in the existence of some kind of higher power. I'm more in the camp of "I'm perfectly ok with not ever truly understanding how the universe works, and I don't feel the need to fill that void in knowledge with fantasies"
I prefer secular, unspiritual, or faithless. Still, atheist works when trying to explain that it's not for lack of belief or curiosity but rather a tacit understanding that it is ridiculous to claim magic (divine) knowledge of the objectively unknowable.
Simply put, atheism is a position of belief, and agnosticism is a position of knowledge. One can easily be an agnostic atheist. I'm agnostic about a general God concept (unfalsifiable, irrelevant), while being gnostic about specific God concepts (internally inconsistent, indistinguishable from all the other manmade bs that can't all be true, but could all be false)
We don't need these special categorizations for people who don't believe in religious dogma. After all, even the religious people almost always disbelieve all the other religions but their own.
Nah, I'm not suggesting this as a scientific theoretical framework, but as I said: in my experience, most people I talk to who call themselves atheists end up landing in one of those three groups.
That is not to say people who don't 'fit' don't exist, just that this is what I have experienced.
Over a million Indian troops fought in the British forces in either world war. It’s honestly staggering how these guys have watched a few Hollywood films and consider themselves experts.
Well, I'm saying that they weren't really minorities, if they were living where they came from and outnumbered some British folk...the Scots, for example, were a minority and suffered disproportionate losses. Indians were not a minority.
Come on, it’s pretty clearly used in this context to mean not white British/American. But you are correct, Indians are in fact not minorities in India.
Maher became the poster child for smug liberalism when W was president, but he took a lot of swings at Biden too, so I guess he's just an enlightened centrist now??
By shortening your sentence i made it more correct.
Bill Maher may or may not be liberal, there's really no way for us to know what his personal politics actually are today, because the only thing he definitively is: is an oppositional windsock. Whichever way the winds are blowing, he's got some controversial shit to say in the other direction.
I'm sure in the narrative he tells himself, he's speaking truth to power and challenging the status quo. But reality is he's a smug twat who always thinks he knows better than everyone else, even when his current opinion that's better than yours is diametrically opposed to his previous opinion that was also somehow better than yours.
How a person can change their mind so many times and always feel so confident in their correctness regardless of obvious hypocrisy to previously held views is a phenomenon that should be studied by scientists by examining his brain after he dies.
Bill Maher loves to tell ‘young people’ how ignorant they are about history in the same breath as demonstrating that he knows fuck all about anything. It’s at least 50% of Real Time with Bill Maher. The other 50% is him saying how whatever is currently happening is something he’s been telling everybody for years but they wouldn’t listen to him.
I'm shocked they didn't all stay in France after the war. At the single ones.
The U.S. Army sent a secret memo to French commanders instructing them not praise African American troops too much, to limit social contact between Black soldiers and French civilians, and to avoid letting French women socialize with Black troops
France largely ignored these demands.
Not to say there wasn't racism then (and still today) in France, but the official government stance was that anyone can become French if they adopt the language and culture.
And there was absolutely not official segregation, nor is there any record of any widespread attempt to implement it through backdoor channels.
A lot African American soldiers who served under French command said it's the only time in their lives that they felt like they were treated as men.
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission failed to properly mark the graves of many colonial troops as well, so the first costing graves don’t give the full picture
This is why having random ignorant casual conversations shouldn't equal content that's podcast worthy.
Lots of drunk or high motherfuckers have stupid convos like this and it didn't really harm anyone. But record it and post it online and thousands of other idiots will take this as fact and grifters will use the clip to promote their racist narratives to more idiots
The fact that it's one of the most popular forms of entertainement for americans nowadays kinda explains a lot. People were far less stupid when the Discovery channel was a thing.
Before the private equity guy that's currently ruining Warner Bros ruined Discovery at least.
The root of the problem lies in that people are too busy and tired to spend time with mentally taxing entertainment. Making slow burn low attention needed educational content costs more money than low effort droning of a random conversation. Even still Spotify gave Joe Rogan billions of dollars
When people stop caring if real humans are talking and accept AI generated conversational slop then these losers fill finally lose their audiences but we'll all be even worse off
Right. Especially because people generally don't come sourced and prepared to actually push back against any claims if they wish to do so and might also be more inclined to just nod along out of politeness.
These guys must not have played bf1, ok that's a lame excuse but I didn't know to the extent how much Africa and the Middle East played a part until that game peaked my interest and I learnt more. People fought on horseback with swords against tanks and rifles. Also artillery was a new thing and was just unfathomable to those who first experienced it. They didn't understand how the ground just started exploding. Terrifying.
My brother in law was on an airplane reading the skynews and came across an article about the first Black ace a frenchman. My BIL’s grandfather was a pilot in WW1 and he was also an avid photographer, and my BIL remembered his grandfather showing him photos he had taken during the war and he actually had photos of this Frenchman PERIOD LABELD “first black ace “ standing by his plane. My BIL then tracked down the author who was the Frenchman’s grandson and sent him the photos and starting a period of correspondence. Was kind of neat to see how these two people from different countries fighting a common foe lead similar lives during snd after the war.
Someone ought to tell the 4000+ indigenous Canadians that they did not, in fact, join the infantry and scout/snipe/otherwise fight their way through the war.
Ah right, they’re all dead now. Easier to lie when there’s no war heroes to deliver a well-placed slap to the face.
We (aka white Canadians) were absolutely terrible in our treatment of those people…it took a whole second world war, plus a decade, before they even gained the right to vote. And don’t get me started on the insidious nature of residential schools.
I'm an older GenXer who went through the same school system as the Boomers did. They literally changed it the year after I graduated HS. NONE of this was taught in schools then. I have kids now and they do a pretty good job at teaching what I think is the truth now.
I’m an elder millennial and we didn’t learn anything about them either. There was very little acceptance of the shameful parts of our history—I didn’t learn about Africville until moving to Halifax in my 30s.
Bill Maher claims to be a historian and that kids these days don't understand history, but he think minorities were banned from fighting in WW1?! 🙄 FUCKING CRETIN! So many, literally millions, fought and died in a squabble between their imperial overlords. Also, another example of Tarantino being a dumbass.
I don't know if you have ever been to Ottawa, but in 2001 we put up a monument for the Indigenous veterans of Canada. If you are standing south of the large War Memorial with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in front of you. If you look to your immediate right, the Indigenous memorial is right there and it's big enough that you can't miss it. It's a start!
During World War I in the United States, Black people constituted approximately 13% of the population, yet were drafted into military service at the highest rate relative to their population size.
Over 400,000 Black Americans served during WW1, often facing significant discrimination within the military. Many were assigned to frontline positions in segregated units and often given roles that others did not want. They fought valiantly for the freedoms of both America and Europe, only to return home and find themselves denied the rights they had fought for.
Which is why we got the “red summer”. Black combat veterans came back home and weren’t putting up with bullshit from racist white people who didn’t even serve. There were so many riots and massacres as a result.
This is why representation in popular culture is so important. Jackasses like this have a pop-culture understanding of history. They never saw POC in WWI or WWII movies or popular documentaries so it basically didn't happen for them.
I'm not excusing their ignorance, they've had plenty of time to educate themselves or they could just STFU when they don't know what they are talking about. However, they are just a couple people out of millions who are ignorant of how ignorant they are because they didn't seek knowledge; little bits of it just leaked in from pop-culture.
These dumbasses, wonder how Puerto Ricans became American citizens? Before WW1 we were called, Non citizen nationals, but they needed bodies for the war so here we are
Where the hell did these guys even get this information? This is so off base I don’t understand what the hell they’re even talking about. Does anyone have a clip of the whole episode? I’d like to understand how they even got to this conversation
And there was plenty fighting in Africa in WWI as well. Love that the second point by QT is also off the mark. Have these MFers ever read a book or do they get all their knowledge from cinema?
Yeah okay lmao, Britain and France amassed huge colonial empires with millions of people and then proceeded to just not use any of it to further increase their manpower....
India alone provided 1.4 million troops for WW1, more than Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa combined.
Maher calling the trenches “a great time” also indicates he doesn’t realize how depressing a lot of ww1 history can be, and that’s just a bad angle of Tarantino
Minorities fighting in WWI seems like something Quentin would write a movie about. Bill I know is just a liberal douche with a superiority complex, but this just seems like something Quentin would already know about?
Once upon a time, I liked Bill Maher and thought he was an ok guy, sometimes funny. He wrote a terrific pilot for a comedy starring Adam West, called "Lookwell", which showed a lot of imagination. I remember enjoying the first year or two of "Politically Incorrect". I found "Religulous" pretty weak, but it seemed like a honest attempt to make a point and I respected that. Mostly he seemed sensible.
Since then...increasingly....every time I pay any attention to him he's just spouting blathering crap. I'm embarrassed that I was ever a fan.
William Henry Johnson (circa July 15, 1892 – July 1, 1929), commonly known as Henry Johnson, was a United States Army soldier who performed heroically in the first African American unit of the United States Army to engage in combat in World War I. On watch in the Argonne Forest on May 14, 1918, he fought off a German raid in hand-to-hand combat, killing multiple German soldiers and rescuing a fellow soldier while suffering 21 wounds, in an action that was brought to the nation's attention by coverage in the New York World and The Saturday Evening Post later that year. On June 2, 2015, he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor by President Barack Obama in a ceremony at the White House
The bravery and sacrifice of many non white soldiers, sailors and airmen were deliberately excluded from much post ww2 celebration propaganda and film. IIRC the French only allowed white service men parades in Paris after liberation. It’s unsurprising that ignorance exists but for people with access to information as easily as these guys and still be so ignorant is utterly shameful.
Edit: the subject was ww1 but the point stands IMO
Forget Asian and African contributions to French and British forces, as these guys are obviously clueless about that and you’d be breaking a lot of news to them.
But to think that Black people in America were not involved in WW1?
It's incredibly common knowledge that colonial forces from all over the world fought in WW1. These dumb fucks only experience the world and history through Hollywood, so of course they think non-white people never did anything significant.
Forget being educated. You would think QT might have caught that episode of Roots 2 (1979) where Alex Haley's dad Simon, fought in France. Q watched a lot of ABC shows. Who knows?
It was called World War I, not European, white Australian and white North American War I. Bedsides, even it they were talking about the US's involvement, they would be wrong from the very beginning, since the first shots by the US in WWI were fired by a Puerto Rican regiment at a German ship in San Juan Bay.
I’m curious if anyone ever corrected them publicly or if either of them ever acknowledged they were so insanely wrong on this, especially Maher, considering how much he likes to talk about politics and history, being this wrong on some basic history is embarrassing as hell
They are American, and the American army was too racist and segregated, so black people didn't fight much for the US in WW1. They were used mostly as labour battalions. They dug the American trenches. Being American, that's all they know since the US is the center of the universe as far as they are concerned.
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They might want to let the Gurkhas know given that they were the first to breach German defences in europe during the battle of Neuve Chappelle
Yes! There’s also the Choctaw whose language helped establish radio codes that the Germans couldn’t break.
Let’s not forget the Harlem Hellfighters who spent more time in the frontline trenches than any other American unit and was the first of the Allied forces to cross the Rhine!
Absolutely. Choctaw made some of the most significant contributions to allied advances for the whole war.
Ghurkas are often smaller in size to many Europeans but fml they are fierce. A cohort used to run a local 10k from their Catterick training base. Their bravery in battle is up with anyone full stop
Only Lancashire Fusiliers, Rifle Brigade, and Royal Artillery won more bravery awards, which given their size compared to the Gurkhas shows how instrumental their contribution was.
And there were only 2 kinds of uniforms rhat terrorized the Germans, and Gurkhas were one of them.
Ive got my grandads medals and gurkhas knife he was given. Served in the navy and worked with some of them, some of the stories he used to tell me were wild. They fought HARD.
Gurkhas, my dudes, not ghurkas.
Updated thanks. Dont know how I missed that
Gherkins.
Fighting pickles we used to call em
Gurken-shuck, if I'm not mistaken!
I don't know if it's apocryphal, or a true tale, but the story about the ghurkas being approached for a paratrooper deployment is just too good to not repeat.
Allegedly, on being briefed that they would be deployed onto the battlefield by jumping out of planes, the NCO of the unit (i believe the commissioned officers were Brits) agreed to the volunteer only mission, but asked if the planes could fly lower for the jump. He was told no, they were already planned for the minimum safe altitude to make sure their parachutes would deploy. The response was something along the lines of
"Oh, we'll have parachutes. Well, I guess that changes things".
Not only is that obviously not true, but it's an old, racist joke about Irish soldiers, because they were stereotypically stupid, in racist British humour.
That's interesting. I'd never heard that take. It was the Gurkha composite battalion at the battle of elephant Point, and I'd never taken it as mocking their stupidity, but admiration for bravery and warrior spirit.
It has nothing to do with Irish nor is it racist lol
It's an old joke. Different groups are subbed in, and the point is the people are stupid. I've heard it was Irish, Polish, and various politicians.
Well, you're on the right sub, but for the wrong reason...
The way I heard it told is that the British officer was asking for any volunteers to jump from a plane, and only a handful of Gurkhas volunteered. When the officer asked the Gurkha officer why so few had volunteered, he went and talked to his men. After a few minutes they all volunteered, when the British officer asked why they had changed their mind the Gurkha officer replied "They didn't realise they would be given parachutes"
Obligatory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishnu_Shrestha
I heard the Fat Electrician talk about a time when the Gurkhas were asked to jump out of plane and a small group of them stepped forward…they were unaware parachutes were provided.
This is probably missing the point, but are they minorities? Certainly not in India right? I mean, marginalized sure.
I guess they would be a minority once they got onto the battlefield.
But is that the same as black soldiers from the USA or indigenous soldiers from Canada? Or is there a distinction to be made?
Regardless minorities definitely did fight in the war.
They were minorities in the british army
Indeed
Apparently the Gorkha people make up just 8 percent of Nepal's population. So yes minority.
Despite the name, Gurkhas were recruited from many different Napalese ethnic groups
The Gurkhas is a name given to Nepalese soldiers. Gurkha people can be used in general to describe Nepalese people it’s quite interchangeable. They are a minority in India but obviously not in Nepal. The Nepalese people who live in India near the border (Darjeeling area for e.g.) sometimes use the spelling Gorkha to differentiate themselves from Nepalis from Nepal, they have lived in this area of India for generations, but generally families live on both sides of what is a porous border. Gorkha and Gurkha are the same word just different spellings and historically have been interchangeable. At the end of British India some Gurkha regiments stayed as part of Indian army and some in British. Nepalis can join UK Indian or Nepal army.
If interested in the history of Gurkhas the Anglo-Nepalese war which led to the creation of the Gurkha regiments is fascinating to read up on.
What’s India got to do with it?
Sorry, I should have said Nepal, of course.
Right. Not to worry, but given the name of the sub I just couldn’t resist it!
Haha I didn't even know where i was. The humiliation continues
Nothing to do with the gurkhas but lots of Indian soliders fought in WWI as well. 74k of them died too.
So ignorant and yet feeling so smug about it.
Every time I see Bill Maher I think the same
I'm an atheist, and when I saw his atheism show years ago where he basically disrespected people of faith to their faces and smugly shit on all other religions (when, objectively, there's no proof either way) I lost the final scrap of respect that I had for him.
Maher is Cringe Incarnate. In the that show, he ironically embodied everything people hate about self-righteous religious people.
Whenever I find myself sharing an opinion with Bill Maher, I immediately interrogate that opinion. I might land on that same thought, but just because he shares it gives me enough doubt to make me double check my sources.
It's especially bad because he cites that zeitgeist crap where they claim Jesus is the same as Horus and a few other mythical figures. You don't have to know that mucj about Horus to know it's horse hockey. He's exactly what he mocks in the people he interviewed.
Jesus shares quite a few similarities with Dionysus
Yes but it's more subtle than the direct comparisons cited by Zeitgeist.
That's logical weak sauce. There is not an equal burden of proof between atheists and god believers. Unless we just want to throw logic out the window entirely, the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim that an entity exists, same as if I argued for the existence of ghosts and goblins. You would likely dismiss these claims out of hand if there were no evidence. It's almost the same exact situation with fictional deities. There's no evidence for their existence so the claims can be simply dismissed until there is (though I'm fairly confident there never will be).
People like feeling like they're smarter than others. If you question something that (you think) nobody questions, it's quick to come to the conclusion that you are 'one of the few who know'.
As a result, in my experience, there's generally three types of atheists: insufferable smug ones who are exactly like dogmatic religious people without realizing the irony of that, folks who were raised in an unhealthy religious environment and use their atheism as a tool to help cope with that trauma, and people who are functionally pretty much just agnostic, but used to care and still identify as atheist outwardly.
I'm an atheist who uses agnostic as a descriptor of my atheism. Do I ultimately know if gods exist, no. But I have strong convictions that they do not as described by any religion. Other than that it's a big question mark.
I was formerly in the second category, now fall more into the 3rd. I think the main reason most people like me still continue to self-identify as "atheist" is that "agnostic" is commonly misunderstood as being firmly on the fence rather than being unwilling to take the rather strong epistimological stances that atheism requires.
I'm in a similar boat. I avoid saying I'm agnostic because that implies a belief in the existence of some kind of higher power. I'm more in the camp of "I'm perfectly ok with not ever truly understanding how the universe works, and I don't feel the need to fill that void in knowledge with fantasies"
I prefer secular, unspiritual, or faithless. Still, atheist works when trying to explain that it's not for lack of belief or curiosity but rather a tacit understanding that it is ridiculous to claim magic (divine) knowledge of the objectively unknowable.
I heard a great quote one time that I share with my kids now:
"Anyone who says they know what happens to you after you die is lying to you"
Nice. I like the saying, "The only difference between a cult and a religion, is that in a religion, the ones who made it up are all dead."
Simply put, atheism is a position of belief, and agnosticism is a position of knowledge. One can easily be an agnostic atheist. I'm agnostic about a general God concept (unfalsifiable, irrelevant), while being gnostic about specific God concepts (internally inconsistent, indistinguishable from all the other manmade bs that can't all be true, but could all be false)
Fourth type: reasonable people who don't believe in adult fairytales.
Those usually go in the first or last category.
We don't need these special categorizations for people who don't believe in religious dogma. After all, even the religious people almost always disbelieve all the other religions but their own.
Nah, I'm not suggesting this as a scientific theoretical framework, but as I said: in my experience, most people I talk to who call themselves atheists end up landing in one of those three groups.
That is not to say people who don't 'fit' don't exist, just that this is what I have experienced.
No, what you are doing is a bad faith attempt to discredit atheism by saying all atheists are broken.
And you call them smug.
Maher is the nerd in class that wanted to be admired but wasn’t.
Pretending to be the smart kid while also rarely, if ever, pulling grades above a B range.
Better put…Ty
Over a million Indian troops fought in the British forces in either world war. It’s honestly staggering how these guys have watched a few Hollywood films and consider themselves experts.
There were more Indians than Scots in the First World War. Scots suffered a large amount more fatalities too.
I hate this term minority. It doesn't really apply when the Indians lived in India mainly.
Well that’s a fairly obvious point. The Caribbean troops also came from the Caribbean. Not really sure what you’re trying to say?
Well, I'm saying that they weren't really minorities, if they were living where they came from and outnumbered some British folk...the Scots, for example, were a minority and suffered disproportionate losses. Indians were not a minority.
Come on, it’s pretty clearly used in this context to mean not white British/American. But you are correct, Indians are in fact not minorities in India.
Not originally. I'm saying that they aren't minorities.
Maher and Tarantino in the same room has got to be an absolute smug-o-war
SWORDFIGHT!!! SWORDFIGHT!!!
That’s Bill Maher in a nut shell. He’s really just another version of Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan if he dropped out of freshman year in college instead of in high school
Joe sold steroids in high school, Bill sold weed in college. THAT is their main difference. 😂
Maher became the poster child for smug liberalism when W was president, but he took a lot of swings at Biden too, so I guess he's just an enlightened centrist now??
He’s always been a closeted right winger. He’s anti-vaxx, anti-corporate tax, anti-regulation, anti-woke, etc. etc. He even dated Anne Coulter
His beef with Biden was that he blamed Biden for the pandemic shutdowns that cost his restaurant chain a bunch of money
His whole thing was to be the one that shit on both sides equally. Until he didn't.
By shortening your sentence i made it more correct.
Bill Maher may or may not be liberal, there's really no way for us to know what his personal politics actually are today, because the only thing he definitively is: is an oppositional windsock. Whichever way the winds are blowing, he's got some controversial shit to say in the other direction.
I'm sure in the narrative he tells himself, he's speaking truth to power and challenging the status quo. But reality is he's a smug twat who always thinks he knows better than everyone else, even when his current opinion that's better than yours is diametrically opposed to his previous opinion that was also somehow better than yours.
How a person can change their mind so many times and always feel so confident in their correctness regardless of obvious hypocrisy to previously held views is a phenomenon that should be studied by scientists by examining his brain after he dies.
Bill Maher loves to tell ‘young people’ how ignorant they are about history in the same breath as demonstrating that he knows fuck all about anything. It’s at least 50% of Real Time with Bill Maher. The other 50% is him saying how whatever is currently happening is something he’s been telling everybody for years but they wouldn’t listen to him.
Fucking insufferable prick.
That's Bill's whole schtick.
Describes soooo many yt men to a t!
That’s Bill Maher’s whole entire career summed up in one sentence.
Wait until they find out about the Harlem Hellfighters
I'm shocked they didn't all stay in France after the war. At the single ones.
The U.S. Army sent a secret memo to French commanders instructing them not praise African American troops too much, to limit social contact between Black soldiers and French civilians, and to avoid letting French women socialize with Black troops
France largely ignored these demands.
Not to say there wasn't racism then (and still today) in France, but the official government stance was that anyone can become French if they adopt the language and culture.
And there was absolutely not official segregation, nor is there any record of any widespread attempt to implement it through backdoor channels.
A lot African American soldiers who served under French command said it's the only time in their lives that they felt like they were treated as men.
I mean there was this whole situation about the black soldiers during the victory match through Paris… fucking pathetic and embarrassing…
Yes, in WWII, at the heavy insistence of the US. Still, they shouldn't have acquiesced.
Or the Maori batallion or any of the other groups of minority soldiers
Tarantino was put off learning about the First World War after he heard about trench foot.
So incredibly ignorant, yet so smug at the same time. Why do we listen to these people at all
Smug and ignorant is Bill Maher's brand.
FFS. A quick trip to northern France to read the names on the war memorials would clarify this for them. It’s all there carved into the stone.
or asking a question on google
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission failed to properly mark the graves of many colonial troops as well, so the first costing graves don’t give the full picture
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/21/uk-inquiry-blames-pervasive-racism-for-unequal-commemoration-of-black-and-asian-troops
This is why having random ignorant casual conversations shouldn't equal content that's podcast worthy.
Lots of drunk or high motherfuckers have stupid convos like this and it didn't really harm anyone. But record it and post it online and thousands of other idiots will take this as fact and grifters will use the clip to promote their racist narratives to more idiots
This is so true. I yearn for the day when people like this are deprived of a platform alltogether.
The fact that it's one of the most popular forms of entertainement for americans nowadays kinda explains a lot. People were far less stupid when the Discovery channel was a thing.
Before the private equity guy that's currently ruining Warner Bros ruined Discovery at least.
The root of the problem lies in that people are too busy and tired to spend time with mentally taxing entertainment. Making slow burn low attention needed educational content costs more money than low effort droning of a random conversation. Even still Spotify gave Joe Rogan billions of dollars
When people stop caring if real humans are talking and accept AI generated conversational slop then these losers fill finally lose their audiences but we'll all be even worse off
Right. Especially because people generally don't come sourced and prepared to actually push back against any claims if they wish to do so and might also be more inclined to just nod along out of politeness.
The other dude looks so, so uncomfortable.
I think thats Judley Apatow
I believe his proper name is Juddward
Juddtholomew
That makes sense. He certainly seems the odd one out.
He's still deciding to spend his time with 2 of the most insufferable people in hollywood
Also, there was plenty of action in Africa and the Middle East in WW1.
Hell, WW1 involved every single continent minus Antarctica. There is a reason why it was called The Great War and later World War 1.
A lot of issues within the Middle East can be traced back to British support for the Arabian Revolt and later fall of the Ottoman Empire.
These guys must not have played bf1, ok that's a lame excuse but I didn't know to the extent how much Africa and the Middle East played a part until that game peaked my interest and I learnt more. People fought on horseback with swords against tanks and rifles. Also artillery was a new thing and was just unfathomable to those who first experienced it. They didn't understand how the ground just started exploding. Terrifying.
It's piqued, not peaked. Sorry if this is annoying grammar nazi behaviour. I just prefer to know when I mix up words.
Nope you're right to do so!
My brother in law was on an airplane reading the skynews and came across an article about the first Black ace a frenchman. My BIL’s grandfather was a pilot in WW1 and he was also an avid photographer, and my BIL remembered his grandfather showing him photos he had taken during the war and he actually had photos of this Frenchman PERIOD LABELD “first black ace “ standing by his plane. My BIL then tracked down the author who was the Frenchman’s grandson and sent him the photos and starting a period of correspondence. Was kind of neat to see how these two people from different countries fighting a common foe lead similar lives during snd after the war.
That is an awesome story. Would love to see the photos!
I will see if he has copies.
Someone ought to tell the 4000+ indigenous Canadians that they did not, in fact, join the infantry and scout/snipe/otherwise fight their way through the war.
Ah right, they’re all dead now. Easier to lie when there’s no war heroes to deliver a well-placed slap to the face.
Every Canadian should know about this Ojibway-Canadian badass for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Pegahmagabow
He was a scout/sniper with almost 400 kills AND captured 300 more. Many with iron sights too!
Unfortunately we treated him like shit when he returned to Canada after the war, instead of the baddas war hero he really was.
We (aka white Canadians) were absolutely terrible in our treatment of those people…it took a whole second world war, plus a decade, before they even gained the right to vote. And don’t get me started on the insidious nature of residential schools.
I'm an older GenXer who went through the same school system as the Boomers did. They literally changed it the year after I graduated HS. NONE of this was taught in schools then. I have kids now and they do a pretty good job at teaching what I think is the truth now.
I’m an elder millennial and we didn’t learn anything about them either. There was very little acceptance of the shameful parts of our history—I didn’t learn about Africville until moving to Halifax in my 30s.
At least he was memorialized in a badass Sabaton song!
Highest per capita participation of any group in Canada, most if not all were volunteering to go.
It would take skill to be more wrong:
A Latino soldier was possibly denied the Medal of Honor in WW1
Unknown how many Latinos served but 5k of Mexican origin served
250k Jewish soldiers served in the American military
100k Jewish soldiers fought for Germany
320k fought for Austro-Hungarian army
370k black soldiers fought including the including the famous Buffalo Soldiers
Arabs Fought for the Ottomans not sure citations needed here.
The Arab revolt against the Ottomans was led by the British. Around 100k soldiers, though this number includes British, it is literally what Lawerence of Arabia is about.
1 million south asian and 2 million Africans fought in WW1
Siam and Vietnam saw combat in the war
Asian Americans have fought in almost every American war including WW1
Central Asians fought for both the allies and the central powers, mostly for Russia and the Ottomans
I know I am missing something here, but that is a quick list.
Is this a clip of the World Championships Smugness? Because holy shit, if these get any more full of themselves they might turn inside out.
How is Bill Maher in any way popular or famous? He isn't smart, he isn't funny, he isn't charismatic and he isn't interesting or handsome.
Odd.
The more I learn about Tarantino, the less I like him
Who even takes Bill Maher seriously
His puppet masters.
My parents
Bill Maher claims to be a historian and that kids these days don't understand history, but he think minorities were banned from fighting in WW1?! 🙄 FUCKING CRETIN! So many, literally millions, fought and died in a squabble between their imperial overlords. Also, another example of Tarantino being a dumbass.
Edit, accidentally wrote WW2 instead of WW1.
Indigenous Canadians were also a significant part of our efforts in Europe.
I'll repeat this from above... Every Canadian should know about this Ojibway-Canadian badass for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Pegahmagabow
He was a scout/sniper with almost 400 kills AND captured 300 more. Many with iron sights too!
Unfortunately we treated him like shit when he returned to Canada after the war, instead of the baddas war hero he really was.
Yes it is true. Our indigenous soldiers were treated terribly upon their return. If we at least begin to recognize them now it’s a start.
I don't know if you have ever been to Ottawa, but in 2001 we put up a monument for the Indigenous veterans of Canada. If you are standing south of the large War Memorial with the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in front of you. If you look to your immediate right, the Indigenous memorial is right there and it's big enough that you can't miss it. It's a start!
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/en/remembrance/memorials/canada/national-aboriginal-veterans-monument
The best Bill Maher clip I ever saw was the one where Ice Cube schooled him on why he can't say the n-word.
Sitting at a bar with only Maher and Tarantino for company is an idea of hell I'd not considered until now.
For those who don’t know:
During World War I in the United States, Black people constituted approximately 13% of the population, yet were drafted into military service at the highest rate relative to their population size.
Over 400,000 Black Americans served during WW1, often facing significant discrimination within the military. Many were assigned to frontline positions in segregated units and often given roles that others did not want. They fought valiantly for the freedoms of both America and Europe, only to return home and find themselves denied the rights they had fought for.
Which is why we got the “red summer”. Black combat veterans came back home and weren’t putting up with bullshit from racist white people who didn’t even serve. There were so many riots and massacres as a result.
Never heard of the fucking Harlem Hellfighters?
This is why representation in popular culture is so important. Jackasses like this have a pop-culture understanding of history. They never saw POC in WWI or WWII movies or popular documentaries so it basically didn't happen for them.
I'm not excusing their ignorance, they've had plenty of time to educate themselves or they could just STFU when they don't know what they are talking about. However, they are just a couple people out of millions who are ignorant of how ignorant they are because they didn't seek knowledge; little bits of it just leaked in from pop-culture.
These dumbasses, wonder how Puerto Ricans became American citizens? Before WW1 we were called, Non citizen nationals, but they needed bodies for the war so here we are
Where the hell did these guys even get this information? This is so off base I don’t understand what the hell they’re even talking about. Does anyone have a clip of the whole episode? I’d like to understand how they even got to this conversation
And there was plenty fighting in Africa in WWI as well. Love that the second point by QT is also off the mark. Have these MFers ever read a book or do they get all their knowledge from cinema?
Yeah okay lmao, Britain and France amassed huge colonial empires with millions of people and then proceeded to just not use any of it to further increase their manpower....
India alone provided 1.4 million troops for WW1, more than Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa combined.
Bill has been salty ever since Ice Cube called him out for saying racist bullshit.
Maher calling the trenches “a great time” also indicates he doesn’t realize how depressing a lot of ww1 history can be, and that’s just a bad angle of Tarantino
They also fought in the Revolution, but don’t let facts get in your way.
That would be a huge surprise to the 369th infantry regiment.
It's Bill Maher. He's an idiot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
But tell us more about how “no minorities fought in WWI”
Puerto Ricans fought in WWI, and were interestingly so good the US passed legislation to grant them citizenship
Bill Maher is an idiot
Minorities fighting in WWI seems like something Quentin would write a movie about. Bill I know is just a liberal douche with a superiority complex, but this just seems like something Quentin would already know about?
I would bet that everything QT knows about history (outside of Hollywood history) comes from Hollywood.
Fair
I must have dreamt Lawrence of Arabia.
Once upon a time, I liked Bill Maher and thought he was an ok guy, sometimes funny. He wrote a terrific pilot for a comedy starring Adam West, called "Lookwell", which showed a lot of imagination. I remember enjoying the first year or two of "Politically Incorrect". I found "Religulous" pretty weak, but it seemed like a honest attempt to make a point and I respected that. Mostly he seemed sensible.
Since then...increasingly....every time I pay any attention to him he's just spouting blathering crap. I'm embarrassed that I was ever a fan.
Clowns
Apatow sitting there like "Ummm.... Do I say something?'
William Henry Johnson (circa July 15, 1892 – July 1, 1929), commonly known as Henry Johnson, was a United States Army soldier who performed heroically in the first African American unit of the United States Army to engage in combat in World War I. On watch in the Argonne Forest on May 14, 1918, he fought off a German raid in hand-to-hand combat, killing multiple German soldiers and rescuing a fellow soldier while suffering 21 wounds, in an action that was brought to the nation's attention by coverage in the New York World and The Saturday Evening Post later that year. On June 2, 2015, he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor by President Barack Obama in a ceremony at the White House
And nobody questions that this Paul Dano hater uses the n-word all the time.
Fuck Tarantino anyway.
Remember Bobby Lee saying Korea never had slavery 😂
I knew minorities from the U.S. fought in WWI before I was 10 years old. Because we all knew that, WTF??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1507216.stm
Bill has always been an insufferable ass. He sounds more like the religious people he made fun of on a daily basis back in the 00s
The bravery and sacrifice of many non white soldiers, sailors and airmen were deliberately excluded from much post ww2 celebration propaganda and film. IIRC the French only allowed white service men parades in Paris after liberation. It’s unsurprising that ignorance exists but for people with access to information as easily as these guys and still be so ignorant is utterly shameful.
Edit: the subject was ww1 but the point stands IMO
Forget Asian and African contributions to French and British forces, as these guys are obviously clueless about that and you’d be breaking a lot of news to them.
But to think that Black people in America were not involved in WW1?
Why did I always picture Tarantino as super skinny?
It's incredibly common knowledge that colonial forces from all over the world fought in WW1. These dumb fucks only experience the world and history through Hollywood, so of course they think non-white people never did anything significant.
Yes minorities are famously not a part of the world
Guess nothing was happening in Africa around then, huh? Nice and peaceful, right?
Why does anyone take what Bill maher says seriously? Who is that braindead demographic?
The third guy looks like he wants to excuse himself from the room.
Forget being educated. You would think QT might have caught that episode of Roots 2 (1979) where Alex Haley's dad Simon, fought in France. Q watched a lot of ABC shows. Who knows?
We are Hispanic from Texas my uncles fought in World War One the Korean War and my cousins fought in Vietnam. My partner fought in desert storm.
What a couple of assholes.
Bill Maher is the poster child for confidently incorrect. And he and Quentin are both complete narcissist windbags.
It was called World War I, not European, white Australian and white North American War I. Bedsides, even it they were talking about the US's involvement, they would be wrong from the very beginning, since the first shots by the US in WWI were fired by a Puerto Rican regiment at a German ship in San Juan Bay.
I’m curious if anyone ever corrected them publicly or if either of them ever acknowledged they were so insanely wrong on this, especially Maher, considering how much he likes to talk about politics and history, being this wrong on some basic history is embarrassing as hell
The Maori Batallion wants to kick their asses
1) I cannot STAND listening to Maher's droning.
2) GLARES AT ALL OF THEM IN PUERTO RICAN.
Someone should remind them of The Battle of Bamber Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bamber_Bridge?wprov=sfti1
Wrong war.
True - in that case show them the Neuve-Chapelle memorial. https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/144000/neuve-chapelle-memorial/
Contemptible asshats.
Complete Bell-End conference right there.
They probably get all their history from Ken burns and he hasn’t made that doc yet 😂😂
This page is quite interesting - and saddening - on the deliberate British effort to cut the contributions of black soldiers out of history after WW1. Judging by OP's video, it worked. https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-black-british-soldiers-who-were-deliberately-forgotten
France “recruited” 100,000 Vietnamese and shipped them to France to fight on the front lines and to work as laborers.
Imma go out on a limb here and say there probably exists some kind of reason why they call it WORLD War 1.
They just weren’t talked about as much in history books
The only battalions that were solely honoured by another country
There were Indigenous Australians fighting in WW1. Pretty much everyone but the bloody penguins in Antartica fought in WW1
Conscription to fight in WWI is the entire reason my people have US Citizenship.
🇵🇷 FREE PUERTO RICO 🇵🇷
They literally made Puerto Ricans citizens so that they could draft them into WW1 and every other war since
Sammi Davis Jr fought and was abuse by his own troop.
WTF is he talking about? 380,000 African Americans served in the US army during WW1 and many saw heavy combat.
They are American, and the American army was too racist and segregated, so black people didn't fight much for the US in WW1. They were used mostly as labour battalions. They dug the American trenches. Being American, that's all they know since the US is the center of the universe as far as they are concerned.
I was told by a Texan that they were taught that only Americans died in WW2. So this isn't a surprise.