Session one everyone's talking about how they turned, guy turns to me: So how did you turn?
ME: don't know, all I know is my oldest memory:
Other guy: oh and that is?
I know vtm is like DND and the rule set can be used to create a custom world and such but would this work in the original setting. I know the Christian God is real and angels and such are real in the original setting but I've never heard shit about dinosaurs in the world of darkness. I know you have a bunch of different therianthropes like spider people and what not but I don't remember anything about dinosaurs. So idk if it follows any of real world evolution or is it all Christian mythology with a splash of it's own lore. Allowing other human-ish vampires to have existed.
So, according to demon, reality used to be a beautiful symphony of states of matter layered on top of each other. Humans evolved, the Earth was old in one layer, another God spoke and it all just popped into Creation. When angels fought they swung weapons at each other, but at the same time they also debated, they competed to create opposing symphonies and so on. Once God disappeared and the war in Heaven resulted in all sorts of war crimes, reality shriveled and those layers melted away until now only the hard bedrock exists. So if you look at reality, dinosaurs existed, the Big Bang happened, and so on. But many supernaturals have tales or remember the different layers that once existed in their myths.
You can force non-anatomically-modern humans into young earth creationism so it shouldn’t be an issue. IIRC Demon implies creationism is strictly true in WoD but I don’t know if it requires young earth (or if old earth is acceptable)
I'm tired of vampires only being like 150 years old.
[Also this was originally meant to be a Halloween comic, but i was too sad to draw at the time, so just pretend it's still Halloween and that this comic is relevant]
In the world depicted by the novel Blindsight, by Peter Watts, your Neanderthal-era vampires exist and are considered a historical fact. There's even a handy explanation that them seeing intersecting Euclidean lines (i.e. cross shapes) causes short-circuiting in their brains, explaining why holy symbols would have any effect on an otherwise naturally-occurring predator and why they died out slowly as human civilization advanced and built structures with many right angles.
And then apparently we, being the hubris-filled creatures we are, decide we should clone them back to life and force them into indentured servitude as living computers. Surely that can't possibly go wrong. And that dismal concept isn't even the primary motivating plot point.
I liked how they went about actually testing the limits of the effect. I recall something about having them look at a landscape with a flat horizon and something in the middle of it like a tree, then incrementally restricting more of the image trying to find the sweet spot to figure out how it works, all that kind of thing. There was such a good vague explanation that made it sound plausible because their brains are just built different, so they're really good at multi-tasking and such.
I should read those again, it's been a while so my explanation sucks. Fantastic books, I do not recommend them.
This is how I know for certain you read it. Watts has a weird way of making you kinda just hate everything, including yourself. I've only read Blindsight, but the experience was like a horrifically bitter drink; halfway down the glass you wonder why you're subjecting yourself to it, but you can't stop.
Well if you are serial killer that can turn invisible, fly, and all the other vampire tricks and presumably have the resources of someone alive that long, plus the power creep of vampires as they age it’s not inconceivable.
Remember that a lot of the time, vampires become an allegory for the super rich, so in that regard, who wins? 200 angry people from a local town or one vampire?
In that case they should all die at the hands of other vampires. Or go mad with power becoming imaginary power becoming frustration and delusions of grandeur.
One of my oldest OC characters is a Noble from the 800s. She's a joy to write in modern settings, though I adapted her for fantasy as well where it also works quite well with the age, depending on what setting.
It's so fun to have Vampires that are old as shit but not insane, you get to play with so much history. 150-200 years is basically nothing in terms of history, but it's the "most known" period, so I get why people only make them that young
you'd maybe enjoy watching a movie called The Man from Earth.
An impromptu goodbye party for Professor John Oldman becomes a mysterious interrogation after the retiring scholar reveals to his colleagues he has a longer and stranger past than they can imagine.
I'm tired of vampires only being like 150 years old.
The last few Anne Rice novels, which goes absolutely bonkers with the series’ vampire lore, has plenty of ancient vampire representation. Though no vampires over the age of 6,000 years old.
Not only a Ventrue, an Antediluvean. That's why he's walking around in broad daylight and ignoring the scorn of human beings; there's not a damned thing anybody can do to stop him.
Immortal is sad too, now's the question of what's worse - reliving lives, forgetting everything from time to time including all your loved ones eventually leading to complete nihilism and dissociation and being forced to become the leader of a dystopian future or remembering everything
I don't think even he knows. he might have tried a few times but they died or left - but that would have been at least 50k years ago so the memory is a little blurry
I looked it up because I like both discworld and night watch (the russian fantasy novel) and in this case they are referring to the russian fantasy novel series. IDK if it's any good in English but I liked it a lot.
I didnt get as far as sixth watch which is where this character shows up.
Esto me hace acordar un par de cosas: primero a los libros de Anne Rice sobre vampiros donde según tengo entendido (lamentablemente no lo lei) en uno de sus cuentos se da a conocer el origen prehistórico del vampirismo y por otra parte en la temporada final de la serie Buffy the Vampire Slayer vemos el ancestro cavernícola del vampiro contemporáneo: el Turok-Han.
Anne Rice FULLY did the historical fiction of vampirism but - excluding Memnoch the Devil due to the flow of time in that story - only goes back I think 12,000 BC.
Excellent reminder to read Anne Rice for younger vampire enthusiasts.
I read somewhere Ozzy apparently had neanderthal genetics and it's theorized his unique structure is why he survived his extracurricular activities as long as he did.
There is a movie about an immortal neanderthal. He's not a vampire, but was an interesting idea. If you're into philosophy and intellectual arguments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth
I watched this once by complete accident and it was great. I was really early in my college years and it was the perfect story telling art piece kinda flick for that time in my life. I heard there's a sequel but also read that a lot of the reviews says it ruins the experience of the first one so I haven't watched it.
Sub should have a tag so I don't keep looking for a punchline in a comic meant to tug at the heart. Woulda hit a lot better if I knew it was a story not a joke.
Reminds me of the Ulrika the Vampire books from the warhammer fantasy setting. There was a 10 ft tall cave woman vampire with huge drooping breasts and belly, and naked with body paint.
Good comic, but I felt let down by the lack of a punchline. You had everything; a solid, relateable concept, good setup, but the last frame didn't deliver anything. It could have been a picture of a security guard, which is at least a joke about something, but currently the last frame can be completely deleted and it wouldn't change anything. Comedians talk about this process as "cutting the fat", because jokes can be punchier when you cut the stuff that everyone is already thinking. You already told us about the museum, so we had the last frame in our minds two frames ago.
Sorry to be a critic. Like they say, "Everyone's a critic". I liked the comic. Keep it up.
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hang on let me find a DM, i have a new vampire the mascarade character now
-7th gen
Session one everyone's talking about how they turned, guy turns to me: So how did you turn?
ME: don't know, all I know is my oldest memory:
Other guy: oh and that is?
https://preview.redd.it/8ocvth59cd7g1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=09dd0699aff8721bc3963f502e7d3554c66bbf3e
I can hear this image
But we're out here and he's in there
And we're in there and he's out here
He's the sheriff and we're frozen out here
But what I want to know is where's the cave man
What about Java, from "Martin Mystery" ?
The weirdest mathusula
"Yeah, so all eleven or so of my grandsires embraced the first person they drained. Kain's facepalm almost leveled the village."
More like The Diary of a 1,000 Year Old Vampire (a solo TTRPG)
I know vtm is like DND and the rule set can be used to create a custom world and such but would this work in the original setting. I know the Christian God is real and angels and such are real in the original setting but I've never heard shit about dinosaurs in the world of darkness. I know you have a bunch of different therianthropes like spider people and what not but I don't remember anything about dinosaurs. So idk if it follows any of real world evolution or is it all Christian mythology with a splash of it's own lore. Allowing other human-ish vampires to have existed.
So, according to demon, reality used to be a beautiful symphony of states of matter layered on top of each other. Humans evolved, the Earth was old in one layer, another God spoke and it all just popped into Creation. When angels fought they swung weapons at each other, but at the same time they also debated, they competed to create opposing symphonies and so on. Once God disappeared and the war in Heaven resulted in all sorts of war crimes, reality shriveled and those layers melted away until now only the hard bedrock exists. So if you look at reality, dinosaurs existed, the Big Bang happened, and so on. But many supernaturals have tales or remember the different layers that once existed in their myths.
You can force non-anatomically-modern humans into young earth creationism so it shouldn’t be an issue. IIRC Demon implies creationism is strictly true in WoD but I don’t know if it requires young earth (or if old earth is acceptable)
Dinosaurs exist. The Mokole(Werelizards and Crocodiles) use them as their war forms.
Time in the world of darkness is a construct of mortals and other beings asserting their will on reality to make sense of it overtime.
Preceeds Cain by 200 thousand years!
I'm tired of vampires only being like 150 years old.
[Also this was originally meant to be a Halloween comic, but i was too sad to draw at the time, so just pretend it's still Halloween and that this comic is relevant]
My theory is Tommy Wiseau is some sort of neanderthal vampire. It would explain his inexplicable money and unplacable accent.
...no not seriously
He invested one mammoth steak 200.000 years ago.
Bro buried a mammoth and waited all that time to convert it to fossil fuels, man had a plan
Look if you live over 100,000 years and don't find a way to get rich that's a skill issue.
He's really DB Cooper, of course.
Maybe he could still be a vampire too, though.
*unplaceable
Implacable Accents
In the world depicted by the novel Blindsight, by Peter Watts, your Neanderthal-era vampires exist and are considered a historical fact. There's even a handy explanation that them seeing intersecting Euclidean lines (i.e. cross shapes) causes short-circuiting in their brains, explaining why holy symbols would have any effect on an otherwise naturally-occurring predator and why they died out slowly as human civilization advanced and built structures with many right angles.
And then apparently we, being the hubris-filled creatures we are, decide we should clone them back to life and force them into indentured servitude as living computers. Surely that can't possibly go wrong. And that dismal concept isn't even the primary motivating plot point.
I liked how they went about actually testing the limits of the effect. I recall something about having them look at a landscape with a flat horizon and something in the middle of it like a tree, then incrementally restricting more of the image trying to find the sweet spot to figure out how it works, all that kind of thing. There was such a good vague explanation that made it sound plausible because their brains are just built different, so they're really good at multi-tasking and such.
I should read those again, it's been a while so my explanation sucks. Fantastic books, I do not recommend them.
This is how I know for certain you read it. Watts has a weird way of making you kinda just hate everything, including yourself. I've only read Blindsight, but the experience was like a horrifically bitter drink; halfway down the glass you wonder why you're subjecting yourself to it, but you can't stop.
I'm not sure if this is an actual genre, but the best way I've come up with to try to explain them is "Philosophical Horror".
It really doesn't help that I related so much to the main character with half a brain. If I'm not mixing up the two books.
I've always figured either ancient vampires get killed for being too strong or have set themselves up so efficiently that they never get noticed
I imagine it's very difficult to essentially be a serial killer for so long. Eventually someone will stop you.
Well if you are serial killer that can turn invisible, fly, and all the other vampire tricks and presumably have the resources of someone alive that long, plus the power creep of vampires as they age it’s not inconceivable.
Well vamps also get stronger as they age so that'd help out
Remember that a lot of the time, vampires become an allegory for the super rich, so in that regard, who wins? 200 angry people from a local town or one vampire?
The one vampire can afford guard dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
Oh yeah that's fair, though a smart vampire would have enthralled people in town and have them sabotage efforts to unite against the vampire
In that case they should all die at the hands of other vampires. Or go mad with power becoming imaginary power becoming frustration and delusions of grandeur.
Depends on how much money they have. ie. Saudi royalty
To be fair, these days good old Dracula would be pushing 500
One of my oldest OC characters is a Noble from the 800s. She's a joy to write in modern settings, though I adapted her for fantasy as well where it also works quite well with the age, depending on what setting.
It's so fun to have Vampires that are old as shit but not insane, you get to play with so much history. 150-200 years is basically nothing in terms of history, but it's the "most known" period, so I get why people only make them that young
In “A Discovery of Witches” the main vampire is from like the 1st/2nd crusade
you'd maybe enjoy watching a movie called The Man from Earth.
it's on youtube in full length for free.
The last few Anne Rice novels, which goes absolutely bonkers with the series’ vampire lore, has plenty of ancient vampire representation. Though no vampires over the age of 6,000 years old.
Trick or treat!
But where has he been for 200k years?
You know what would be terrifying? A cro-magnon vampire.
They were taller, stronger, and smarter than modern humans are today. They regularly killed and often ate Neanderthals already, so...
I want to see vampires before Jesus was born confused as to why crosses hurt them.
Come to Europe. Main area for Neanderthal DNA here (including me, but I'm not telling you where I live)
The other vampires panel reminds me of dialogue in the Sims
was going to reply in simplish but felt too embarrassed
We embrace that kind of stuff here
Sul sul
I like that, if converted to actual words, both vampires just say “wanna bone?”.
So... A Ventrue.
Not only a Ventrue, an Antediluvean. That's why he's walking around in broad daylight and ignoring the scorn of human beings; there's not a damned thing anybody can do to stop him.
Holy shit it makes sense
Yeah, his feeding restriction is obvious.
Vandal Savage/The Immortal but sad
Immortal is sad too, now's the question of what's worse - reliving lives, forgetting everything from time to time including all your loved ones eventually leading to complete nihilism and dissociation and being forced to become the leader of a dystopian future or remembering everything
I'll be honest, I haven't watched Invincible. I just know the Immortal is basically a good guy Vandal Savage.
I don't enjoy gory cartoons.
It's gorey only half the time, but whatever
Man, no wonder Caine doesn’t interact much with his descendants. I’d be lonely too.
The oldest mathusula is around 8000 years old..which means the anti are around 13k
Which means kain. Kain is probably 20k years old
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yeah, but he got exposed to garlic around the time agriculture was created
Imagine living for hundreds if thousands of years an all of the sudden the t-Shape hurts you because Jesus got crucified.
Does garlic kill vampires? I thought it just hurt and scared them. Maybe he wandered into a rice paddy and could never escape
sure, but if you fell into a pit of recently harvested galick, i imagine it might have the same effect as falling into a vat of acid
Except that garlic is a solid?
The smell definitely isn't.
It is if you eat enough of it.
It's more like in intolerance really, or in some cases a mild allergy
Might've been killed
Why didn't he sire anyone while Neanderthals were around? Did all of them just fell over time?
I don't think even he knows. he might have tried a few times but they died or left - but that would have been at least 50k years ago so the memory is a little blurry
There’s a book in the night watch series that has a Neardenthal vampire. Really cool as he was the strongest one
oh cool! I love Terry Pratchett but haven't read The Knight Watch yet. I'll have to get on that
I looked it up because I like both discworld and night watch (the russian fantasy novel) and in this case they are referring to the russian fantasy novel series. IDK if it's any good in English but I liked it a lot.
I didnt get as far as sixth watch which is where this character shows up.
Not from sir Terry Pratchett (discworld rules though). It’s from Russian author Sergei Lukyanenko
haha whoops my bad! Haven't heard of it but i'll check it out
They made the first two into films but then the director skipped off to america for the big money.
There is also a book in the Anita Blake series that has a neanderthal vampire. Maybe not so uncommon after all haha
Vándalo Salvaje?
Whelp, new rimworld idea now
Esto me hace acordar un par de cosas: primero a los libros de Anne Rice sobre vampiros donde según tengo entendido (lamentablemente no lo lei) en uno de sus cuentos se da a conocer el origen prehistórico del vampirismo y por otra parte en la temporada final de la serie Buffy the Vampire Slayer vemos el ancestro cavernícola del vampiro contemporáneo: el Turok-Han.
Anne Rice FULLY did the historical fiction of vampirism but - excluding Memnoch the Devil due to the flow of time in that story - only goes back I think 12,000 BC.
Excellent reminder to read Anne Rice for younger vampire enthusiasts.
Honestly, that's just bad planning on his part. He should have just bitten a few neanderthals whilst they were still around
I love the art style and the storytelling. A Neanderthal vampire is a cool idea.
thanks <3
I read somewhere Ozzy apparently had neanderthal genetics and it's theorized his unique structure is why he survived his extracurricular activities as long as he did.
The same will happen to the human vampires eventually
I thought I was in Rimworld lol
This would be a great movie.
There is a movie about an immortal neanderthal. He's not a vampire, but was an interesting idea. If you're into philosophy and intellectual arguments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth
I watched this once by complete accident and it was great. I was really early in my college years and it was the perfect story telling art piece kinda flick for that time in my life. I heard there's a sequel but also read that a lot of the reviews says it ruins the experience of the first one so I haven't watched it.
Same. I started the second one, but only watched about 20 minutes of it.
This is such a fun idea. The mix of prehistoric and vampire lore somehow works way better than it should, and the art really sells it.
Sub should have a tag so I don't keep looking for a punchline in a comic meant to tug at the heart. Woulda hit a lot better if I knew it was a story not a joke.
The joke is the situation, the SITUATION!
That's a really cool idea
Did you get this idea from the post on the Twilight sub?
haha no but i'm sure other people have thought of this before
I'd settle for a Cheddar Man vampire, honestly.
This reminds me of a book called "Fever Dream", one of the characters is a vampire older than any human civilization to ever exist.
Turok-Han, is that you?
The Man From Earth.
Great movie. No vampires tho.
The sci-fi novel "Blindsight" posits that "vampires" used to exist in neolithic times, and humanity decides to genetically engineer them back.
You might enjoy this movie about a "caveman" that have survived 14k years until the present day.
The Man From Earth
As someone who has way too many hours in rimworld, this sounds like a neat run to do lol
Reminds me of the Ulrika the Vampire books from the warhammer fantasy setting. There was a 10 ft tall cave woman vampire with huge drooping breasts and belly, and naked with body paint.
Uh oh I have more Neanderthal dna than most. Looks like I gotta watch my back. Or neck.
Awesome Halloween comic. This is a really cool concept, actual ancient vampires.
For those bored of the 200-year old class...
https://www.goodreads.com/series/122289-the-oldest-living-vampire-saga
Narr.... Poor gay neanderthal vampire.... Is a sentence I never thought I'd say.
Neanderthals are humans
I guess people don't like to hear that, but you're right. They're human and we're human, just not the same kind.
Good comic, but I felt let down by the lack of a punchline. You had everything; a solid, relateable concept, good setup, but the last frame didn't deliver anything. It could have been a picture of a security guard, which is at least a joke about something, but currently the last frame can be completely deleted and it wouldn't change anything. Comedians talk about this process as "cutting the fat", because jokes can be punchier when you cut the stuff that everyone is already thinking. You already told us about the museum, so we had the last frame in our minds two frames ago.
Sorry to be a critic. Like they say, "Everyone's a critic". I liked the comic. Keep it up.
There is no such thing as a Neanderthal. No one has ever found evidence of one. Nor has there been any scientific proof of them ever existing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_1
One example of evidence of neanderthals: A neanderthal specimen found in 1856.
as opposed to vampires?