Yesterday there was as thread here where OP mentioned Tynion's work being called "streaming service bait" and look, it is happening!
Yesterday there was as thread here where OP mentioned Tynion's work being called "streaming service bait" and look, it is happening!
If it were streaming bait his series would all last 6 issues like Mark Millar lol. Nobody writes long form series as bait.
Magic order went from limited series with a Netflix logo to 5 volumes and an adaptation that’s still apparently underway if anyone streaming baits it’s him
Yeah, but I would say it's still commedable because half the stuff should make for a decent series, but most likely won't for years due to the subject matter.
Like, I don't see The Deviant getting a show, but it's perfect for one.
Maybe this isn't the place to say this, but I really don't like "streaming/movie bait" as a criticism. It's too vague, and people seem to use it to refer to both literal examples of comics launching as part of multi-media pushes, and comics that just ~feel~ like hollywood concepts.
What about Tynion's writing makes it "streaming bait"? Is it that he writes stories set in the modern day? Do people think he under-utilizes the strengths of comics? Is it the dialogue scenes? I hope people drop this shorthand and just explain what they're really criticizing.
It's also a big problem of the industry itself that if you want to make some real money in comics, you have to hope that somebody will want to adapt your work in a completely different medium.
Like anything it can certainly be overused but I think it’s seen such widespread adoption because of a conjunction between a proliferation of short-lived, loosely sketched comic book series, Hollywood execs and producers eager to snap up cheap IP, and creators knowing a Hollywood payout is far more lucrative. I think the label has grown attached to Tynion specifically because he launched a multi-media production company to adapt the comics he was writing, but I don’t think it fits all that well to his stuff most of the time.
It doesn’t help that there genuinely are writers who are guilty of what people are accusing Tynion of - the most prominent example being Mark Millar.
I completely agree, this title is sloppy and actively hurts literary criticism.
I wonder how many classics of medium would be considered "a glorified spec script" if they came out today. Black Hole? Obviously just trying to be a new Euphoria 🙄.
It's such a problem in every fandom now. Especially video games, comics, and professional wrestling. Everyone jumps online to argue and criticize something without actually saying anything at all. Nobody actually likes the thing they are supposedly a fan of. Enjoying anything given to you by the big bad evil corporation makes you a bootlicking tool or a mindless idiot who consumes any drivel put in front of you. Being a fan of these things and trying to share that feeling with others has become nothing but emotionally exhausting.
I just think the series has become so sluggish and dull.
Which one? There are two mentioned in the headline/article.
Oh, sorry, wrldtree
Man, W0rldtr33 would work so much better as an IT style movie trilogy, with the kids discovering the undernet, the main story with the adults, and then the dystopian stuff.
I wonder if they’ll keep her so naked?
Well, animation makes it less of a hurdle to keep her naked, but the question does stand.
Exquisite Corpses getting an adaptation announcement any minute now...
W0rldTr33 isn’t very good, so why animate it? Why not the A Nice House books instead which are awesome?
The rights may be more complicated to navigate since Nice House books are DC/Warner Bros published.
Streaming bait people would hate manga. Damn near entire shonen genre is just pitches for anime
I’m not a huge tynion fan but it was annoying seeing his books get spec’d to fuck just bc of rumours of them being optioned for adaptations
I think the news allows me to better word a problem I have with Tynion books, in that they feel less and less like comics and more like pitchdecks for the inevitable movie/tv show. There's so many of them now that they kinda blend together in a way that makes me feel like his heart isn't in the form anymore. I know Tynion is a good writer, but the buisnessman side feels more and more apparent in his works.
Even after your comment I still dont understand what people are trying to say. Can anyone actually explain what the comic feeling like a pitch deck or spec script even means?
OP's whole point is that people say this without actually explaining the criticism or providing any kind of insight on the material. I question if the people making these comments actually read the books they are critisizing.
Not the guy you’re asking but for me it’s just a specific vibe from the series, like a sense that the creators don’t really want or need it to be in a comic book form to tell the story. Obviously that’s frustratingly inexact. I don’t get that sense from Tynion’s work, but I do from some other comics, especially at the indie publishers like Boom, Vault, Image, etc, where the plotting can feel so loosely sketched and the artwork so minimal in effort and style that you get the feeling you’re reading a storyboard more than a finished work. But I think that gets more to just the quality of it than trying to predict the intentions of the creators
I agree with your last sentence, I think it could just be that some comic writers dont have a great grasp of the ability to use the form to it's full potential.
It would be nice to get an answer that's more than vibes based. I think it was easier to make this criticism of Mark Millar because his film/tv adaptations were getting a lot of press and attention and seeing the pipeline between his books and adaptations made it look like the comics were just a marketing tool for more lucrative Hollywood projects.
The Woods stopped publishing in 2017 with 36 issues, W0rldtr33 is a little over a year into it's publishing run and this deal was just announced. Writing off both of these projects as just streamer bait is hard for me to accept.
If I had to guess why people are leveling these accusations against him, I'd probably say it's because a lot of his recent work has been very high concept, and DSTLRY tried to market itself as a premier comics publisher, both of which translate well to elevator pitches. But you could say that about a lot of publishing these days, and most authors would be thrilled to get an adaption of their work because it virtually guarantees they'll keep being published for life.
It’s quite a bit more than that, the first issue came out in April 2023 so it’s closer to three years.
Yeah but were only on issue 17, so not even a year and a half of monthly comics. I lowballed it a little there but I knew we were still in the teens for chapter count.
EDIT: I don't know why I'm having trouble doing math based on the number 12, but I am. Tweaked my response.
w0rldtr33 is awesome. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading the comments here saying it isn’t good/is streaming bait.
Still waiting for him to finish SIKTK show scripts.