Like I found The Batman (2022) message to be: "Be careful of what you see/who you follow on social media."
I feel Superman (2025), with the Boravia and Jarhanpur plot, I feel that was meant to represent Israel and Palestine (sorry if this is not allowed)
And the Lex Luthor's monkeys in Superman (2025), are (supposedly) meant to represent Snyder Fans.
Sorry if this post is confusing, but I kinda like tht superhero movies have a message/touching on real world events/making fun of something. So are there any other superhero movies like this?
I find the message you took from Batman a bit... idk... far fetched.
As for the monkeys in Superman, I think they are more meant to represent the general unfounded hate ppl spread on social media, not specifically Snyder fans.
Watchmen is a good example however for what you potentially seek.
A lot of Superhero movies have however such sub-context, like Captain America Winter Soldier tackling the whole "Big Brother" thematic, while Iron Man 1 features the whole weapon trade conflict that happened in Afghanistan years ago. In a way, Hulk is also nothing more than symbol for the arms race for super soldiers, much like the atomic arms and moon expedition race that was going on during the cold war era.
Black Panther
X-Men
The Dark Knight
RoboCop
Iron Man
Captain America: Civil War
The Incredibles
Comic books are woke as fuck my dude. Always have been.
Edit to clarify: I’m not at all implying I don’t like that. I very much do.
You make it sound like it's a bad thing.
Not at all. Most of what I listed are my favorite movies of all time.
Woke doesn't automatically mean bad just because a bunch of ignorant folks robbed the word of it's original meaning, which was inclusivity.
No. Its original meaning was roughly a warning to Black people to stay aware of the daily dangers of racism all around them. Be aware; be careful. Over the decades it became misunderstood and then, yes, hijacked by the right.
Ah, yes. You're totally right. Good catch.
I'm black as well, so I'm not sure how I forgot about that. I guess that's how far the word has been twisted from its original meaning.
Yes, but still. I would prefer the word progressive. Because woke is just progressive without accountability and selfish intentions.
Care to elaborate what you mean? That's a pretty loaded way to explain 'woke,' and you describe it as if everyone should already know that. To me, woke meant something positive before the extreme right hijacked it.
Woke and progressive have always meant the same thing to me.
So, people want equality for everyone, but they don't want to take up responsibility with which it comes.
For example, yes LGBT must be treated equally and properly, but that doesn't mean they have to walk the parade in every corner or go to elementary schools to teach children about their sexuality at the age of 5-8years.
Also, people should advocate for animal rights and should thrive on policies that benefit both farmers and the live-stocks, but they shouldn't trash some Non-Vegetarian restaurant or Butcher shop/live stock carrier trying to make a living.
Also, female sports being overrun by male transgender, I would rather see a separate category of sports for transitioned people.
I'll grant you the other stuff, but I wanna point out that folks have been pushing sexuality onto children waay before the LGBT population became into prominence.
Non-LGBT folks regularly say stuff like "Hey, is that your girlfriend?" to little boys that age range (5-8) whenever they talk to a girl. Pushing sexuality onto children isn't anything exclusive to the LGBT community. So while I agree to yes, let kids be kids, I also wanted to just point out the double standard.
I think you're also equating the word 'woke' with how it has been used as a buzzword, similar to what the right has done. You're using woke to mean "anything on the extreme left," and that's not what the word used to mean. It simply meant being aware of systemic injustice. Hence "woke." (Awake)
I don't like the idea of "woke" being in this separate category of obnoxious leftists who are trying to force their worldview onto other people. What makes them different from folks who have been pushing other stuff on us (like the Christian religion) for hundreds of years? That's not necessarily a new thing that has happened with society. It just seems louder because those standards aren't deemed traditional.
(Also want to point out that they would be called transgender women, not male transgender. It seems like a harmless mistake, but as someone who has trans friends, I try to correct myself whenever I can. That's not designed as a "holier than thou" perspective from my end. I've been new to all of learning all of that stuff too)
Okay. 👍
No the monkeys aren’t Snyder fans, they’re just meant to be trolls. The same types that got Gunn fired from Marvel.
Oh ok, sorry.
He didn't get fired because of 'trolls'. He was fired after a series of offensive, decade-old tweets resurfaced online. The controversial jokes related to topics such as pedophilia, rape, and the September 11 attacks.
Actions.
Consequences.
Regardless, he was rehired. Sounds like Gunn is still salty.
You mean jokes every comedian in that era was made, and these people only brought it up because he dared to question the orange imbecile in office.
Monkey's are bot farms
Plurals don't require apostrophes.
Weird autocorrect but thank god for you
G in God should be capitalized...rotfl
Can't get anything right today 😝
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I'm only joking
I thought Boravia/Jarhanpur was basically a stand-in for any two countries where one is oppressive/occupying and the other is disadvantaged. Pick your favorite pair of countries.
The monkeys to me represented trolls/bots. High volume, zero value, mindless, but in sufficient numbers extremely influential with real impacts on society.
Logan, The Dark Knight, Watchmen, V for Vendetta
How did you get that conclusion from Batman? Not hating, genuinely curious.
Wasn't it russia Ukraine? The prime minister had a Russian accent
It was supposed to be Russia and Ukraine. People just want to ignore what Gunn himself said. Plus the lie that they were trying to save the other nation from a facist regime. Something Isreal has never once claimed in their attack on the Gaza Strip.
lol.
You're joking right?
Right???
>And the Lex Luthor's monkeys in Superman (2025), are (supposedly) meant to represent Snyder Fans.
Gunn and Snyder are friends IRL. The monkeys are a general parody of shitty internet discourse and bot farms, presenting them as literally infinite monkeys with a typewriter producing the opposite of Shakespeare.
>I feel Superman (2025), with the Boravia and Jarhanpur plot, I feel that was meant to represent Israel and Palestine (sorry if this is not allowed)
It's applicability. Boravia and Jarhanpur could be any two neighbours in the history of geopolitics; you could apply it to India and Pakistan, Russia and Ukraine, China and Taiwan, Indonesia and East Timor, Iraq and Iran, America and Cuba, and yes, Israel and Palestine.
As for the topic:
- The Dark Knight Rises borrowed heavily from then-recent Occupy Wall Street protests as well as Charles Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities, referencing the French revolution. The underlying message is a fairly conservative one: revolutions against wealthy ruling classes can easily be suborned by demagogues with ulterior motives, such as Bane. He lies to Gotham that he is liberating them from their oligarchic rulers while intending to destroy the city all along, inverts the logic of the rule of law by freeing Gotham's worst prisoners from jail and imprisoning the police, and can be seen in the background literally knitting while watching a kangaroo court sentence people to death (a reference to Madame Defarge from A Tale of Two Cities, who knits while watching the guillotine).
- Captain America and the Winter Soldier was largely about how fascism can infect and grow within democratic institutions opposed to it under the guise of providing security, with significant references to the US surveillance state and the widespread illegal use of warrantless domestic spying by the NSA. Nick Fury's anecdote about his father carrying a pistol illustrates the logic followed a democracy seeking security; HYDRA exploits that logic to infiltrate and take control of SHIELD and plot a purge of the world's superhumans and dissidents. Captain America and his "no, you move" speech represents the need for democracies to stick uncompromisingly to their ideals even in the face of external pressure to change in order to protect themselves against autocratic backsliding.
- Batman v Superman was about the moral quandary of whether a person with absolute power can maintain the moral high ground by either action or inaction. Luthor and Batman both believe that Superman's goodness is a facade. Luthor believes that power can never be innocent, as a person with power is either imposing that power on others to control them or is refusing to do so and thereby permitting the existence of evil. Batman believes that Superman cannot be good because he has simply lost all faith in human nature and no longer trusts anyone to act morally, which ironically mirrors his own collapsing moral standards. Both of them are, metaphorically speaking, taking their rage and insecurities out against God by seeking to kill him. Superman, for his part, is clearly not God, and is portrayed unusually gloomily as a man struggling with the moral burden of being treated as a messiah rather than as a person, something that works to the film's detriment - rather than casting cynicism against idealism, it tries to contrast cynicism with slightly less cynicism, making the entire film seem dour and overwrought.
- Wonder Woman was attempting, with limited success, to send a message about accepting the truth of your circumstances and valuing the things that you have, instead of destroying yourself by pursuing a fantasy of desire. Maxwell Lord has a loving family and adores his son, but desires more wealth and eventually power over reality in order to sustain the fiction that he is a successful businessman. Cheetah is deeply insecure about her appearance and credibility and mutates herself into a cat-monster to try and feel strong. Diana herself unintentionally brainwashes an innocent man into believing he is her deceased lover, then essentially rapes him repeatedly (a case of unfortunate implications undermining the protagonist's moral credibility). The best scene of the otherwise-mediocre film is the part where Diana decides she has to let go of Steve and finally move on by accepting the truth that he is dead, something "Steve" accepts and encourages her to do.
Actually I think a lot of it (monkeys with brain implants, plus many other things) were somewhat complimentary* references to Elon Musk. He has a company that has been killing monkeys with brain implants, runs the troll farm known as X, etc.
*Personally I don't think Musk is anywhere near Luthor level, aside from the money and ego aspects.
Samaritan
Jk. I just wanted to mention it bc I was surprised by how much I liked a movie I never heard of and just watched on a whim and wanted to hear what others thought of it.
Most superhero movies, if they are true to their source material, are heavy with it.
e.g. The original X-Men in the '60 were heavily associated with racist and later queer issues. The Punisher was about the incompetence and apathy of the police...
Winter Soldier is basically about Project Paperclip.
I don’t agree about the Snyder fans thing. I think it’s more general than that. I also think the secret prisons plot line wound up (perhaps accidentally given production times) mirroring our current ICE situation.
Black Panther