I am in the process of getting my Z visa for a job teaching English. Both the recruiter and the job I’ve accepted know I have no experience teaching. I got a letter from my last job, but it has to say I was an english teacher? with a stamp? who has formal stamps? How can I do this?

I have no idea why this is now required when it wasn’t mentioned at any point in the interview process lol

  • Don't do it, bro. This school is obviously shady and if they're lying to you now, then they're going to lie to you even worse when you get here.

    Trust me, if it seems shitty then trust your instincts. All the problems I thought I saw when speaking to my school turned out to be true and now I'm stuck here in the middle of nowhere getting shafted by them 😂 Wait until you can find a better employer lol

    Middle of nowhere as in where exactly?

    Not really looking to doxx myself rn, but a small town

    lool same with me for my first year in China back in 2018. Tiny 3rd tier city in northern China I worked for 1 boss at both a KG AND a language centre for crazy little.

  • Stamps are used here to show the documents  are real/came from the company. If your document comes from abroad i. e. not China it won't have it.  They should know that,  since everyone  faces the same issue. 

    If they know you don't have experience teaching,  reiterate  that to them. There's no around this except making a false letter which I DO NOT RECOMMEND because everything is centralized  now and if it's found to be fake you might have trouble getting any job. 

  • Don’t do it.

    If you are found out for providing falsified documents you could lose the ability to get any visa in China for life. They are much stricter now than 15 years ago, 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.

    There are other legitimate options out there.

  • I can see everyone saying dont make up a fake... but myself and lots of people did it for our first roles.

    You were a tutor at goggins and simmons tutoring back home. Put your own phone number and make an email address they can contact.

    Legally you need 2 years experience for your visa. So they are passing the risk from themselves on to you to jump through the visa hoop.

  • It's likely because the city you're going to be working in, has a requirement of formally requiring 2 years experience. Previously, that "experience" was just whatever was listed in your CV. Now it needs to be evidence, so it has to come from an "official" source - the red stamp is officially marked on Chinese documents but doesn't exist in western countries really. The alternative here is for the letter to be on company letterhead, and signed/dated by whoever wrote it.

  • I thought it was supposed to be 2 years of teaching experience or a TEFL certification. Do you have an English teaching cert?

    Yes, I have a 120 hour TEFL. They are still pushing for the english teacher letter. This is for a small city in a small province

    This sounds sketchy like something an unscrupulous recruiter would do. They should ask for a college degree, background check, and TEFL all with apostilles but not a fraudulent letter. Was the offer letter from the school or from a third party recruiter?

    The offer letter was from the school.

  • “I have no idea why this is now required” this is a prerequisite from the immigration department. Why would you let someone who has no teaching experience to come to China and work as a teacher 🤷🏻‍♂️?

    If you get caught for this lie, you can say bye to any visit of China for the next 5 years.

    Plenty of people legally come to China with no teaching experience, typically it’s two years experience OR a TEFL

  • They're asking you to commit immigrant fraud. And if you're caught, you're the one punished.

    Get a better recruiter.

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    I have no idea why this is no required when it wasn’t mentioned at any point in the interview process lol

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  • Are you saying you’ve never taught English or are you saying you’ve never taught English in China?

    i’ve never taught anything at all. i was a software developer in the US.

    Then this is incredibly shady. What tier city are you meant to be teaching in?

    it’s tier 3 or 4 probably. there isn’t much information about the city in english lol

    Why not apply to Tencent or whatever for a software job?

    It will be a little bit harder to get in, but significantly more stable long term.

    Probably because that’s totally unrealistic compared to getting a teacher job, tencent is an incredibly sought after place to work and the job market in China is as bad as everywhere else right now. OP would be competing with local people who speak the language fluently and don’t need visa sponsorship. Also working as a developer here would be more like working 996 whereas it’s relatively easy to find a chill teaching job. Some people also just wanna try something new.

    Is it? It's harder sure, but not unrealistic. I have a Dutch friend at Tencent and an American friend at Foxconn. Neither knew any mandarin when starting there. I doubt that there are only two foreigners who pulled this off and that I somehow managed to befriend both of them.

    What’s the FoxConn guy do? management or software as well?

  • It will be tricky since you do not have direct experience, but if you can provide supporting evidence showing something education-adjacent, for example, if your major at university is tangentially applicable to teaching, then getting the work visa is difficult but not impossible.

    I knew a woman who had interviewed for a marketing position at DiDi's corporate office in Beijing, but her previous job was as an art gallery curator. She was eventually allowed to assume her position after getting signed letters and so on. Don't ask me from who, I don't know that.

  • Perhaps don't apply for a teaching position in another country when you have zero teaching experience.

    I have a provisional teaching license from my state and a TEFL certificate. I thought I was qualified.

    Fair enough. In the UK a qualified teacher must have one yesr teaching experience as part of the requirement to complete the course and be qualified. Seems strange the US doesn't have such a regulation