I’m 32 F and for the longest time I never really wanted kids and I guess to this day i don’t really want it either. I realized quicker about this reality that having kids is optional, but what took longer to sink into my head was that being single is truly optional too.

I say this because I still feel this immense pressure to partner up with someone, also our society seems to reward couples and punish single people for being single, for example taxes, living situations like rent, bills, etc. At face value having a partner eases a lot of financial pain. Also there still seems to be this lingering stigma with being a single woman and becoming some crazy cat lady, which that stereotype has began to die off.

I now know that perhaps my longing and desire to have a boyfriend or a husband was because of societies pressures. I finally am waking up from the propaganda that I need a man to survive, to keep my social capital. My value as a human being is not revolved around whether I can get a boyfriend or not. I know that society was set up in that way but it’s being broke down and I’m so glad.

My worth as a woman isn’t on being a mom or being a good wife and I’m so relieved to be living in this generation. Where men and children are becoming decentered.

  • 28F here and fully agree! I’m in the Single and Happy sub and it’s been amazing to see men and women over there thriving while flipping the societal script on its head. The years of being single have taught me peace, contentment, and a love of solitude. I would never want to replace any of these things with a relationship that tore down my peace.

    It can be vexing to deal with occasional prying family inquiries about why I’m not matched with someone but it doesn’t happen too often. You got this!

  • Unequal partnerships feel like a parent child relationship and that’s all I’ve really experienced with men, unfortunately.

    Definitely takes the pressure off of finding a partner, I’m in no hurry for anything and will only invest in a relationship that brings me as much peace and joy as my childfree life by myself.

    I agree. The two relationships I’ve been in I felt like I was taking care of them like I would a child and it was exhausting. These men weren’t my partners, I felt like I was more their bang maid. 

  • To add to this also even if you're in a relationship that does not mean you have to do things like move in together or combine finances into one account. I think that is something that a lot of people realize as you get into your 30s. You can have a separate house and still have a partner. Or even if you guys do move in together you don't have to sell your house. You can keep it rent it out let it sit empty whatever you don't have to sell it

    Exactly. I own a home and I don’t really want to move in with my partner, and if we did that would be a conversation I would have with them. I don’t like sharing my bed, never did yet my two past relationships the guys got mad at me about that which was insane to me. I just want my own damn space.

  • Congrats you've become radicalized! 😁 yes in our world just living your life according to your own wishes is radical.

    I'm childfree by choice AND I'll never not live alone. I value my personal safe space wayyyy too much. Yet many potential romantic partners get really freaked out by this

  • Hell yeah, join us over at r/SingleAndHappy! Opting out of relationships has been such a game-changer for my sanity. I knew I was aroace for a while, but I kept trying to convince myself that I was at the end of both the aromantic and asexual spectrums where dating would still be something I'd be open to. Turns out that was a big fat "NOPE." It's great living life for myself and not having to be forced into a role I have no interest in. It'll be just fulfilling friendships for me!

  • Men( not all) can still be considered children even as adults. But, yes hubby and kids are not something that is needed to be considered successful. Look at the statistics. The happiest people listed are single, CF women. I’m one of them. Look at the faces of the mothers struggling with kids, getting no help from their husband/BF. Why do women still want to do this to themselves?

    I agree with you, and I’ve seen those stats about single CF women being the happiest. 

    I will be honest and say that despite those stats I still feel some days that inadequacy which shows just how good society has tricked someone like me to believe that being partnered up, becoming someone’s wife and someone’s mother shows that you hold some value in this society. I hate that it’s that way and I am continuously deconditioning myself to decenter men and children. 

    You can do it. I’m now 67. I am a retired nurse. The sense of pride I have that I remained true to myself. I knew I didn’t need marriage or kids to be successful. My freedom has always been my top priority. Society is still downplaying successful single women. It is up to us to continue to push forward and make our lifestyle as a natural, sustainable, enjoyable life. Good luck. Hugs.

  • It used to be that the other humans' presence was necessary to support yourself (especially for women, who couldn't earn money or have jobs outside of the house for the long time). Same for having children - you needed them in the village household because the more hands to work, the better.

    Now when we are able to support ourselves on our own and the social pressure is not as strong, we are able to do what we actually want. At the same time, it's still easier to run the household with two incomes rather than one. It's still expected to show with plus one to the social functions. Hell, even things in the supermarket are very often coming in the packs that are just impractical for a single person!

    As for the "crazy cat lady" myth, I bet someone went at a certain point in the history: "urgh, look at her just petting the kitties while I need to take care of my 10 kids and lazy drunkard of a husband" or "how dare she refuse my marriage offer! die alone with your felines, you miserable wench!".

    It’s no accident that the instinctively self possessed, discerning and ungovernable cat is both the go to stereotypical companion, and often the actual pet of choice of women that refuse heteropatriarchal domestication. Not to mention associated with witches, historically aka independent, skilled and often property-owning women, and bugaboo living rent free in the heads of scared and hateful Christians - some still to this day.

    ETA - it also makes the same sort of people really fucking unhinged seeing that women like us are in fact entirely capable of caring for at some living being - and so choosing to “withhold” that from a man and children, because they’re just fucking entitled and thin skinned like that.

  • 39M , as I’ve become more professionally and financially successful, I’ve really invested a lot in myself and I’ve been able to buy things for myself that I could only dream of a few years back, get into super fulfilling hobbies and travel to places that I didn’t think possible; I’m having such a great time that the only way I’d consider giving up my singlehood is if I meet someone who’s also CF and is such an amazing person that I’d feel I’d be making a horrible mistake if I let her go, otherwise I don’t really care about being with someone just for the sake of “not being alone”

    Same. I haven’t met a childfree guy that meets my standards at all. I have a lot going for myself and I refuse to dumb myself down for anyone. 

  • First, you are absolutely right that you don't need a partner. It is really good to keep that in mind, even if one wants a partner, to help one maintain standards and not settle for a bad relationship. But if one does not want a partner, one can simply totally forgo looking for one and live as one wishes to live (insofar as one can afford to do so).

    Regarding this:

    ...our society seems to reward couples and punish single people for being single, for example... living situations like rent, bills, etc. 

    The single way to save on rent and bills is to have roommates. That may or may not be desirable, depending on what the roommates are like and how one feels about having roommates. Otherwise, it is pretty much impossible for living alone (with the same amenities) to cost the same per person as living with someone else, because one is sharing a kitchen and other things, where the costs are shared. Having something to yourself is pretty much always more expensive than if two or more people split the costs and share the thing, whatever it might be.

    When I was single, the way I saved on rent was renting a tiny studio apartment, that was not part of some complex, but from some individual who owned a small building with a couple of apartments in it. Of course, all of the bills were on me that way. Earlier, I lived in a larger 2 bedroom apartment by having a couple as my roommates, who shared one bedroom and I was in the other. There was a lot more space that way, but it involved sharing a bathroom, kitchen, dining room and living room. The only space that was private to me was my bedroom. If you want everything private to yourself, then you have to bear the cost of everything yourself.

    It is not just the space either, as this goes with even minor appliances. For example, my wife and I share a coffee maker, so the price per person was half of the cost of the coffee maker, whereas if I were living alone, the entire cost of the coffee maker would be on me. For a single person, the way to share such costs is to have a roommate or roommates. Otherwise, yes, of course it will be more expensive for one person, because the one person pays the total cost of every appliance and every piece of furniture, etc.

    The only way society could make it so that living alone cost the same per person as living together would be if society subsidized the costs of living alone, or charged couples more for the same things. So that, for example, the coffee maker I use would cost my wife and I twice as much as the coffee maker would sell to you. Or that the government paid half the cost of your coffee maker (so your purchases are subsidized by the government), and my wife and I have to pay the total cost ourselves. Without such government interference in the prices of things, living alone will naturally cost more per person than living with someone else, for the same amenities. The people living together are sharing things and not having them all to themselves. The choice on this is whether to share things with someone else (whether the someone else is a partner or roommate is not terribly important for much of this), or to have things for one's own exclusive use.

    I make my own money and own my own home. There’s no way I’ll get a roommate. I had a rooommate for all of my 20s and it was hard. It definitely set some challenges for sure. I don’t like sharing bathrooms, and I don’t like sharing space, I learned that in my 20s, so I’ve been living alone for 5 years now and wanna keep it that way. I worked my ass off to make it that way 

    This is all true and factual, though the pricing of many of these things, whether singularly like rent or a mortgage, or more commonly just the sum total (a lot more people can handily afford just a coffeemaker or whatever solo, than outfitting the whole kitchen when starting out or starting over) are more affordable - or, increasingly, accessible at all - to double vs single income households.

    How much of that is the purely free markets doing their thing and how much is deliberate on the part of state and capitalist level holders, I’m not gonna take a stab at since I have to admit my eyes glaze over at economics nitty gritty outside of managing my own money and making informed voting choices.

    But couples and families are very much culturally catered to - all the social norms and tropes OP points to, not to mention the obnoxiously smarmy way politicians even more on the left (or what passes for, in the US) address us often as “families,” as if single adults without offspring are just nonentities, or as if we hadn’t actually attained majority age to vote and domestic/economic independence from our families of origin.

  • Happily childfree and single woman here! Come hang with us on the r/SingleAndHappy sub. But, be warned: a lot of people on that sub are very obviously not happy being single. They’re only there until they find the next person to jump into a relationship with.

  • Yes, plus, I find that I'd rather answer the "when are you getting married?" question than the "when are you having kids?" question.

  • I'm CF, indifferent to marriage, little interest in living with a partner, and usually single (or date polyamorously and only date those looking for a non-primary partner where I won't be in a position to climb the relationship ladder with them). On the rare occasion I do consider a "primary-type" relationship, it's almost always connected to finances. Like, 'oooh, X would be easier because we can split it.'

    Then I check myself because that's a stupid reason to get into a relationship. It's like having kids just take have someone to take care of you when you're old. It's selfish and isn't what it's about.

  • I was in a long term relationship until recently and I realized that I stayed too long because of social pressure

  • Yep. And it's empowering to not hate being by yourself, because you won't tolerate bullshit behavior from your partner. My husband and I had a few hard talks early on when both of us displayed behavior that in our view, was relationship-breaking ( I had to get my depression treated, he had to get his anger and ADHD incompetence under control). Because we both put a lot of work in, but would leave if changes weren't made and maintained, we are so much happier now.

  • Congrats on embracing the freedom of single life! Similarly to you, I always thought I had to find a life partner, but more recently I've realized I've actually never particularly enjoyed dating or being in a relationship, and most of my desire for a partner was just FOMO.

    I'm an extreme introvert and I love my solitude, personal space and privacy. So things that most people seem to consider requirements in a relationship, like spending time together every single day, or sharing a bedroom and bed are deeply unappealing to me. I also just like having total freedom to make my own choices instead of having to compromise on every little thing, ranging from small things like making whatever I want for supper on a whim instead of having to come to an agreement with another person, to more serious decisions like moving to another province without having to consider how that impacts a partner. 

    And I agree that it's fucked up that it's so much more expensive to be single/live alone than be partnered up/have roommates. Like I'm fine with it being somewhat more expensive, because mathematically it makes sense that paying bills on your own would cost more than splitting them. But then there's the fact that bachelor/1 bedroom apartments are only slightly cheaper than 2 bedroom apartments, and since housing costs have skyrocketed that means the baseline to being able to afford your own apartment is now high enough that it's out of reach even for a lot of people with decent-paying full time jobs. 

  • Stay single I’m at the tail end of an almost 8 year relationship that is sucking the life out of me, I thought I could help him heal but he doesn’t want to change and just doesn’t care. All I can think about lately is breaking up with him and all the fun things I can enjoy alone.

    You should just break up with him, just pack up and leave 

  • Maybe you’ll enjoy 4B

    I’ve started looking into that. I do enjoy a company of a man but typically sexually