960 really awards strong calculation skills over opening prep and pattern matching. See: Petr Svidler, who was always known for being one - if not the - strong(est) calculator in chess winning the 960 World Championship 2002 2003 2004 and 2005 back to back to back to back.
Gukesh flopped hard @ 960, and he fits the profile youve described quite nicely! Strong calculator but poor intuition ( essentially pattern recognition) and poor openings ( i think only Alireza has weaker openings than Gukesh among the 2750+ players).
Do you just chalk it up to his bad form since he flopped in classical too this year or am i missing something.
Sent Magnus to the lower bracket after defeating him in blitz playoffs and eventually winning the title in Vegas, and now defeated him again in the final to win the title in Cape Town. Yep, he still got it!
Say what you want about th freestyle chess and its fight with FIDE and how all of a sudden Hikaru hates it
One thing we can appreciate is that it is giving us a chess format that allows us to see the players in a whole new light (well not so new as Magnus always wins). But we get to appreciate the players in other formats and the camaraderie it also provides (thanks CBI For behind the scenes access as always)
r/chess may not like Buetner , heck r/chess may not like Carlsen’s war against FIDE, but one thing i would love is for us to see freestyle chess again in 2026
It's got potential, but the time control just threw so many players off that way too many interesting games ended in anticlimacric timescramble one-move obvious blunders.
Not based on chess played obviously, but I see the point.
Is clear they had the biggest budget and used the most beautiful places and players had to do a lot of interviews and other entertaning things.
Like for example we had Nepo beating Andreea Botez in 3 or 4 moves despite playing without a queen. Probably the most entertaining moment in chess this year. You just don't have that in Grand Swiss or World Cup
It's also clear that they lost huge money, failed to find sponsors, had to adjust the format and cancel events even this year and will have to downsize massively next year. I think they announced an event in Weissenhaus next year (which is kind of a budget location as they own the place and Europe is convenient for travel), I'm not sure if they're doing anything beyond this.
In the interview at the end of this event, Buettner said that they had put $25mill (yikes!) into this. Regarding next year, he said they are looking at options: maybe Weissenhaus, but he said they also have offers from somewhere to base the Freestyle events there, but there are lots of possibilities, and they hope to make an announcement of plans by the end of this year.
Yeah, but at the moment the future of Freestyle doesn't look very bright. They invested too much money in these events and there is not enough views to justify that. Plus from 2027 we are going to have Combined World Championship, which not only going to take the calendar priority from Freestyle but also Magnus focus will change to that Tour, since he heavily involved in there as well.
I don't dislike Freestyle Tour but they never should have marketed as a replacement for Classical Chess, that devided a lot of people as Clasical still is the top viewed format, plus at the end they didn't even stick their time format as classical, so they took all those controversies for nothing.
What is even more worse for them is Magnus is no longer have that same bad relationship with Fide because he is ready to play the Rapid and Blitz World Championship again, and they are also in a new partnership with the Combined World Championship cycle.
All true, Total WC will crowd it out. What they should do is to combine a few Freestyle events into being part of the Total WC, which makes sense of calling it "Total", as it would also combine standard and 960.
>they never should have marketed as a replacement for Classical Chess, that devided a lot of people as Clasical still is the top viewed format, plus at the end they didn't even stick their time format as classical, so they took all those controversies for nothing.
Too true. That Yacht thing in Singapore and that tweet 1 day before the WC match, etc. all such childishness just to create the antagonism/attitude. They were "playing" to the hardcore fans, not to who they should've like sponsors and governments.
I know you're joking, but Hikaru wasn’t critical of the tournament until they started interfering with the format to shorten the time control. If I'm not wrong: they directly switched from 90mins to 30 mins. Could have went in the middle ground of 45 mins.
Personally, as a viewer, I don't have any issues with the 30 mins format. It's entertaining.
Specifically he really hated Vegas (which in his defense everyone hated). He loved Weissenhaus and was pretty meh on Paris. Vegas was what pushed him over the edge.
Search up “Hikaru spills the tea on Vegas freestyle” on YouTube. TLDR:
don’t call it “freestyle”, it’s 960 by tradition
crowd noise in Vegas, headphones didn’t do anything, they couldn’t play music
format kept changing (time control and variation of knockout)
freestyle isn’t an exciting for the average person, his recap views were not as good as regular chess
He wants either pure show (like USA vs India), or a more professional tournament. He complained to freestyle investors and they essentially told him “to shut up and take the money”.
This might be pedantic, but doesn't freestyle remove 1 (or possibly 2 - the inverse starting setup) of the 960 variants, thus it's technically 959 or 958? Do the original 960 tournaments also do the same - is there a chance the game will be the traditional setup?
Yeah, it removes the standard position and also the standard position with king and queen swapped. It is pedantic, though. Removing a 0.2% edge case that players and organizers would be disappointed to encounter isn't enough to distinguish it.
Also the original idea for these formats was for it to replace standard chess entirely, so in a world where it is the normal way to play players would not know thousands of openings for those positions either.
The last is a bit silly. Obviously there's less attention to it from average people since it's not the norm, as the format in the pro scene was pretty much dead for like 15 years.
I've enjoyed all the Freestyle events, but their big weakness is inconsistency with the production decisions. I hope they learn from their various events this year, and next year come back with clearer decisions on what exactly they want the tournament format to be, along with more objective/meritocratic invite system. Keep the same set of players through every event and the F1 points system makes sense and becomes fair.
I strongly agree with you. To me the best format is something like this:
Make it classical time control like the earlier Freestyle tournaments.
No need to have rankings 1-8. Get rid of the rapid play ins to determine top 4 and bottom 4. Just play a round robin tournament.
Get rid of the 10-15 minute discussion period before the start of games.
I thought the Grenke freestyle tournament did a lot of things well. Sometimes classical tournaments can be boring when highly anticipated match ups like Magnus vs Fabi end in a quick draw but almost all games in freestyle are highly entertaining and require deep analysis. These rapid time controls didn't give enough time for Leko and Polgar to deep dive into the position which was a shame.
Yeah Grenke was probably my fav of the tour. It was quite refreshing how they received the position when everyone was sitting at their boards and they just had to play straight away. Classical time control was definitely best, I'm sure they reduced the time control for costs as it means they can do the whole event in half the time, but it's a sad concession to make as it was the whole point in the first place.
Hikaru's absence here is more to do with Atousa expecting any day now than boycotting the tournament. He has said that he is planning to be at next year's Weissenhaus because it lines up with another Europe tournament he will be in, forgot which one.
Hikaru assumed as the number 2 player. He will have a say in the workings. But the organisers basically told him to just play and take the money. And to stop complaining. Ego clash. Hikaru chose to dip
Hikaru didn't like the format change from 90 mins classical to 30 mins. Plus, he hates how Freestyle Grandslam organisers are treating it as some kind of revolutionary format, when it's just Fischer Random.
He gave feedback to the organisers on the format change, but they didn't listen, and went ahead with it, because Magnus was in favor of the shorter time control.
Very well deserved tbh.However I think the fact that starting positions aren’t “equal”to play is kinda unlucky/lucky(I don’t understand shit I am just repeating what Judith and Peter said).
Well the engine does no find them equal but part of freestyle is that it is highly unlikely for a perfect opening but more about creative ideas. They are not playing against engines but against humans. Not even a GM will calculate 20 moves deep to gain a 0.5 advantage
It’s about the fact that one side have easy play compared to the other.The first game was a good example of that where both Magnus and sindarov spent like15minutes coming up with just a plan to equalise
The position is mirrored though, isn’t it? The only advantage is that white moving first can be beneficial in some games, but overall the average evens out.
Some positions make it easier for black to equalise, others make it a long struggle. So there is luck about which position you get as white vs as black,
Would be interesting to see winrate for each colour or every starting position. Maybe throw an regression in there to adjust for rating and timecontrol
I think
We need quite a few games from a position to know that but like both Magnus and Sindarov struggled today.Could also be what Judith said that Sindarov and Magnus got completely knackered yesterday
I thought this as well. Sometimes you get positions that are almost immediately favoured for white/black. But I don't think letting players play both sides of the same position is great either cus then players can have the advantage after being able to play through a position.
I think it's just an inherent problem of freestyle chess since it's kinda rooted in some RNG.
I've enjoyed the tour though, hopefully it's back next year. And hopefully Hikaru comes back
Oh I agree you can’t have both players play from both sides cause then one has more time to prep and understand it’s just a small flaw with it but can sure be very frustrating for the players
Oh wow I didn't know that lol wth, and it was the same in Paris I'm assuming. I actually watched that one and I swear i remember players alternating colors in the same position. What a blunder.
Ah my bad sorry.You said 0.3-0.5etc so I thought to clarify that even though computers think it’s that,practically it’s much higher.Also the normal
White position like in standard chess is also like.3or something but there the theory is vast so people
Know how to equalise .I am sure slowly people will learn with freestyle too
Pretty impressive when you consider two things: Levon did really badly in the 1st tournament (Weisenhaus) and did not qualify for the 2nd tournament (Paris). If he had managed to do a little better in Weisenhaus and got in Paris, he probably would've won the whole tour.
Well, I'm confused.. a few days ago, i saw a post saying Magnus has secured the grandslam title, and today i see that Levon has won the title?? Like what is this? How can one title be won by more than one person?
A bit underwhelming as a final imo, only two games. Personally I would have loved to see more from both, like for example a first to three points kind of final.
I’m not a chess guy, and I dont mean any disrespect to the guy, but every time i hear news about Magnus, its always about him losing lmao. I guess hes such a titan that beating him was worthy of news?
Please remind me how many classical tournaments Magnus won this year. If you say classical is not his interest, tell me the tournament he won where the time controls were over an hour per player. He is inventing faster formats suitable for him, and changing them every time it doesn't work in his favour.
Bear in mind that Levon won the 960 World Championship in 2006 and successfully defended his title in 2007. He's been doing this for a while.
also magnus too old!
Magnus is just starting his Daddy era. That shit starts off exhausting af.
Excuse me, his what era?
He had a baby, he's a daddy now.
A baby daddy?
960 really awards strong calculation skills over opening prep and pattern matching. See: Petr Svidler, who was always known for being one - if not the - strong(est) calculator in chess winning the 960 World Championship 2002 2003 2004 and 2005 back to back to back to back.
Gukesh flopped hard @ 960, and he fits the profile youve described quite nicely! Strong calculator but poor intuition ( essentially pattern recognition) and poor openings ( i think only Alireza has weaker openings than Gukesh among the 2750+ players).
Do you just chalk it up to his bad form since he flopped in classical too this year or am i missing something.
Levon won two grandslams in a year. Magnus had a podium finish in every single slam. Dude is insanely good.
Levon "Don't call me unless your prize is at least $200k" Aronian strikes again. What a fantastic year he's had.
The Cape Town Funky Shirt Emporium gonna have a real good day tomorrow
How much did levon won today?
$200k
It looked like Magnus was about to do Magnus things, but Levon gave no chances. This was a great tournament to watch!
Unc still got it
The 2006-2007 960 chess Champion … back-to-back!
I mean, have you seen him doing pushups? Of course my man still got it.
Sent Magnus to the lower bracket after defeating him in blitz playoffs and eventually winning the title in Vegas, and now defeated him again in the final to win the title in Cape Town. Yep, he still got it!
incredible performance
Clutch Player Levon
Say what you want about th freestyle chess and its fight with FIDE and how all of a sudden Hikaru hates it
One thing we can appreciate is that it is giving us a chess format that allows us to see the players in a whole new light (well not so new as Magnus always wins). But we get to appreciate the players in other formats and the camaraderie it also provides (thanks CBI For behind the scenes access as always)
r/chess may not like Buetner , heck r/chess may not like Carlsen’s war against FIDE, but one thing i would love is for us to see freestyle chess again in 2026
I absolutely love this format. Most entertaining tournaments of the year were Freestyle
nah, Norway chess was the most thrilling and entertaining
It's got potential, but the time control just threw so many players off that way too many interesting games ended in anticlimacric timescramble one-move obvious blunders.
Most entertaining one was Norway Chess simply because you had Magnus competing in a classical tournament.
Really?
Not based on chess played obviously, but I see the point.
Is clear they had the biggest budget and used the most beautiful places and players had to do a lot of interviews and other entertaning things.
Like for example we had Nepo beating Andreea Botez in 3 or 4 moves despite playing without a queen. Probably the most entertaining moment in chess this year. You just don't have that in Grand Swiss or World Cup
wait what nepo beat andrea in 4 moves? do you have link to the game?
She just blundered a knight mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uEiKo5m3MY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DYQv3X3OI3o
Lmao
It's also clear that they lost huge money, failed to find sponsors, had to adjust the format and cancel events even this year and will have to downsize massively next year. I think they announced an event in Weissenhaus next year (which is kind of a budget location as they own the place and Europe is convenient for travel), I'm not sure if they're doing anything beyond this.
In the interview at the end of this event, Buettner said that they had put $25mill (yikes!) into this. Regarding next year, he said they are looking at options: maybe Weissenhaus, but he said they also have offers from somewhere to base the Freestyle events there, but there are lots of possibilities, and they hope to make an announcement of plans by the end of this year.
After Norway Chess arguably.
Yeah, but at the moment the future of Freestyle doesn't look very bright. They invested too much money in these events and there is not enough views to justify that. Plus from 2027 we are going to have Combined World Championship, which not only going to take the calendar priority from Freestyle but also Magnus focus will change to that Tour, since he heavily involved in there as well.
I don't dislike Freestyle Tour but they never should have marketed as a replacement for Classical Chess, that devided a lot of people as Clasical still is the top viewed format, plus at the end they didn't even stick their time format as classical, so they took all those controversies for nothing.
What is even more worse for them is Magnus is no longer have that same bad relationship with Fide because he is ready to play the Rapid and Blitz World Championship again, and they are also in a new partnership with the Combined World Championship cycle.
All true, Total WC will crowd it out. What they should do is to combine a few Freestyle events into being part of the Total WC, which makes sense of calling it "Total", as it would also combine standard and 960.
>they never should have marketed as a replacement for Classical Chess, that devided a lot of people as Clasical still is the top viewed format, plus at the end they didn't even stick their time format as classical, so they took all those controversies for nothing.
Too true. That Yacht thing in Singapore and that tweet 1 day before the WC match, etc. all such childishness just to create the antagonism/attitude. They were "playing" to the hardcore fans, not to who they should've like sponsors and governments.
It’s all about what the top players want to play. The casual audience will always follow. 960 is the way, and is the best form of chess.
also, I think 960 is better name than freestyle. It explains the distinction better and is more meme-able.
Why does hikaru hate it? Is there any clip? Curious to know
AFAIK, Hikaru hates the format of the event not freestyle chess in and of itself, just how the events are organized/formatted.
Sindarov really made him hate the tournament lol
I know you're joking, but Hikaru wasn’t critical of the tournament until they started interfering with the format to shorten the time control. If I'm not wrong: they directly switched from 90mins to 30 mins. Could have went in the middle ground of 45 mins.
Personally, as a viewer, I don't have any issues with the 30 mins format. It's entertaining.
Specifically he really hated Vegas (which in his defense everyone hated). He loved Weissenhaus and was pretty meh on Paris. Vegas was what pushed him over the edge.
Search up “Hikaru spills the tea on Vegas freestyle” on YouTube. TLDR:
don’t call it “freestyle”, it’s 960 by tradition
crowd noise in Vegas, headphones didn’t do anything, they couldn’t play music
format kept changing (time control and variation of knockout)
freestyle isn’t an exciting for the average person, his recap views were not as good as regular chess
He wants either pure show (like USA vs India), or a more professional tournament. He complained to freestyle investors and they essentially told him “to shut up and take the money”.
The format in the round he quit after was insane to be fair. I watched it and never knew what time control they were playing
This might be pedantic, but doesn't freestyle remove 1 (or possibly 2 - the inverse starting setup) of the 960 variants, thus it's technically 959 or 958? Do the original 960 tournaments also do the same - is there a chance the game will be the traditional setup?
Yeah, it removes the standard position and also the standard position with king and queen swapped. It is pedantic, though. Removing a 0.2% edge case that players and organizers would be disappointed to encounter isn't enough to distinguish it.
Also the original idea for these formats was for it to replace standard chess entirely, so in a world where it is the normal way to play players would not know thousands of openings for those positions either.
The last is a bit silly. Obviously there's less attention to it from average people since it's not the norm, as the format in the pro scene was pretty much dead for like 15 years.
I've enjoyed all the Freestyle events, but their big weakness is inconsistency with the production decisions. I hope they learn from their various events this year, and next year come back with clearer decisions on what exactly they want the tournament format to be, along with more objective/meritocratic invite system. Keep the same set of players through every event and the F1 points system makes sense and becomes fair.
I strongly agree with you. To me the best format is something like this:
I thought the Grenke freestyle tournament did a lot of things well. Sometimes classical tournaments can be boring when highly anticipated match ups like Magnus vs Fabi end in a quick draw but almost all games in freestyle are highly entertaining and require deep analysis. These rapid time controls didn't give enough time for Leko and Polgar to deep dive into the position which was a shame.
Yeah Grenke was probably my fav of the tour. It was quite refreshing how they received the position when everyone was sitting at their boards and they just had to play straight away. Classical time control was definitely best, I'm sure they reduced the time control for costs as it means they can do the whole event in half the time, but it's a sad concession to make as it was the whole point in the first place.
I was wondering why no Hikaru. Can you expand? I watch a lot of his content and haven't seen his take on this.
Hikaru's absence here is more to do with Atousa expecting any day now than boycotting the tournament. He has said that he is planning to be at next year's Weissenhaus because it lines up with another Europe tournament he will be in, forgot which one.
Hikaru is playing in India in 3 days. Global chess league Dec 14 - 23.
wait, isn't Weissenhaus usually in February? That's right before the Candidates in March
Hikaru assumed as the number 2 player. He will have a say in the workings. But the organisers basically told him to just play and take the money. And to stop complaining. Ego clash. Hikaru chose to dip
I think his wife is about to give birth, too. So it makes sense he doesn't want to do a tournament right now.
Hikaru didn't like the format change from 90 mins classical to 30 mins. Plus, he hates how Freestyle Grandslam organisers are treating it as some kind of revolutionary format, when it's just Fischer Random.
He gave feedback to the organisers on the format change, but they didn't listen, and went ahead with it, because Magnus was in favor of the shorter time control.
There's something about Levon and knockout tournaments.
Saw him at the World Cups too. He does so well in these sort of tournaments.
It's over, Magnus era is finished. This young man Levon really has potential though.
Magnus didn’t have a sniff in this game. Levon locked all doors
He did have chances towards the end but time was really his biggest problem. The first game was like that tho
Not much really, the commentary tends to exaggerate to add some drama.
I watched Judith and Peter so they don’t that tbh.Its about practical chances not obviously what the engine said
Magnus never had any chances engine-wise, but sure at some point the position wasn't one anyone could've converted.
Magnus knows Levon, when playing at his best, is a problem. Great to see both players playing well.
Broski was LOCKED IN that second match. Didn’t give Magnus an inch after he got close to drawn position
Love to see it. Levon seems like such a good guy; I'm always happy when he does well.
Levon came happy.Looked happy throughout the tournament and won with a smile on his face .Must be his favourite tournament this year
Let's go!
Here are the links to the two games:
Very well deserved tbh.However I think the fact that starting positions aren’t “equal”to play is kinda unlucky/lucky(I don’t understand shit I am just repeating what Judith and Peter said).
Well the engine does no find them equal but part of freestyle is that it is highly unlikely for a perfect opening but more about creative ideas. They are not playing against engines but against humans. Not even a GM will calculate 20 moves deep to gain a 0.5 advantage
It’s about the fact that one side have easy play compared to the other.The first game was a good example of that where both Magnus and sindarov spent like15minutes coming up with just a plan to equalise
The position is mirrored though, isn’t it? The only advantage is that white moving first can be beneficial in some games, but overall the average evens out.
Some positions make it easier for black to equalise, others make it a long struggle. So there is luck about which position you get as white vs as black,
Would be interesting to see winrate for each colour or every starting position. Maybe throw an regression in there to adjust for rating and timecontrol
Yes the position from the first game looks tough for black, Sindarov also was worse quickly.
I think We need quite a few games from a position to know that but like both Magnus and Sindarov struggled today.Could also be what Judith said that Sindarov and Magnus got completely knackered yesterday
I thought this as well. Sometimes you get positions that are almost immediately favoured for white/black. But I don't think letting players play both sides of the same position is great either cus then players can have the advantage after being able to play through a position.
I think it's just an inherent problem of freestyle chess since it's kinda rooted in some RNG.
I've enjoyed the tour though, hopefully it's back next year. And hopefully Hikaru comes back
Oh I agree you can’t have both players play from both sides cause then one has more time to prep and understand it’s just a small flaw with it but can sure be very frustrating for the players
I dont get why they dont use the same starting position in games 1 and 2. Then the starting evaluation doesnt matter as much
Am i having a Mandela effect moment or both players have the same position as both colors, so Magnus had the same chance Levon had?
No they don’t
Oh wow I didn't know that lol wth, and it was the same in Paris I'm assuming. I actually watched that one and I swear i remember players alternating colors in the same position. What a blunder.
That's exactly how it works. No idea what the other person is on about or why you're being downvoted.
You're very confident but you are not correct.
Game 1 was position #454: https://www.youtube.com/live/_3ZzmaHUiRE?si=bqZeBQLHCtcUFRYW&t=3119
Game 2 was position #807: https://www.youtube.com/live/_3ZzmaHUiRE?si=mwkVfE5dhK3kFvnD&t=11733
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I don’t think you guys get it.There is huge difference between engine evaluation and actually humans playing the position
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Ah my bad sorry.You said 0.3-0.5etc so I thought to clarify that even though computers think it’s that,practically it’s much higher.Also the normal White position like in standard chess is also like.3or something but there the theory is vast so people Know how to equalise .I am sure slowly people will learn with freestyle too
wait, water is not...wet?
Pretty impressive when you consider two things: Levon did really badly in the 1st tournament (Weisenhaus) and did not qualify for the 2nd tournament (Paris). If he had managed to do a little better in Weisenhaus and got in Paris, he probably would've won the whole tour.
Levon my goat!! So happy for him and his love for 960/freestyle/Fischer random chess!!
Well, I'm confused.. a few days ago, i saw a post saying Magnus has secured the grandslam title, and today i see that Levon has won the title?? Like what is this? How can one title be won by more than one person?
Magnus won the grand slam tour with 37 points ahead of Levon but Levon won this grand slam. Magnus is the freestyle champion
Ummm, sorry but i still didn't quite get it.. isn't the freestyle grandslam tour one tournament?
No there are multiple tournaments and an overall title. Magnus won the overall title and Levon won this tournament.
The first game position was horrible for black. Everyone with black lost that game. Some luck was involved imo
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Levon has won twice in the Freestyle Grandslam this year. Same number of time as Magnus, if I'm not wrong.
Washed
Freestyle chess evens the playing field a bit a think. Magnus is still the best players, but the gap is clearly not as big.
Best players? He IS the best player and even then the gap is still pretty big. He’s the only person who has 100% podium finish percentage
Could not have happened to a nicer guy honestly. Glad he's finally back after the tragedy and hope this results will transfer to classical chess too
What tragedy do you mean?
His wife died in a car crash some years ago
Damn I lost to this Levon guy in Chess960 once and thought he got pretty lucky, but I guess he's decent...
Put some respec on the name.
A bit underwhelming as a final imo, only two games. Personally I would have loved to see more from both, like for example a first to three points kind of final.
Levon really loves this format. Congratulations!
Levon Reaper
Levon my man
He's had a good year
Best of 3? Way to few games for a tournament
Didn’t he just lose to some rando playing Martian gambit? Must have motivated him 😂
Wasn't a rando...
This guy Levon may be another unlucky chap never to get a shot at the World Championships.
Wait its already done? I missed the entire thing
LFG
Anyone know how to get this board in chesscom
Magnus claimed he wanted 960 at classical time controls and all the events have been decided mainly by rapid/blitz.
It was either chess or a 1980s eurofunk battle.
I would like to know what board design and pieces you are using it looks really cool.
Pointless match for Magnus as he was already tour champion.
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He would lose to Magnus in a WCC match
I’m not a chess guy, and I dont mean any disrespect to the guy, but every time i hear news about Magnus, its always about him losing lmao. I guess hes such a titan that beating him was worthy of news?
You got that right. Theres only one other player who stands alongside Magnus as the best chess player of all time.
With a few more years as the No.1 in the world, Magnus will leave Kasparov behind to be the unarguable GOAT.
Please remind me how many classical tournaments Magnus won this year. If you say classical is not his interest, tell me the tournament he won where the time controls were over an hour per player. He is inventing faster formats suitable for him, and changing them every time it doesn't work in his favour.
He won Norway chess. It is a classical tournament. However, he said after that he might not be playing classical anymore.