• This footage has not been recently declassified, most of it has been available for decades. The USSR Ministry of Defence actually issued a tutorial on radiation sickness, intended for soldiers who were to fight in irradiated territory in case of a nuclear war, and used the footage of Hospital n°6 with Chernobyl firefighters. The video is available on YouTube [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=um1-Ub5BGac&pp=ygUdYWN1dGUgcmFkaWF0aW9uIHN5bmRyb21lIHVzc3I%3D] viewer discretion is advised.

    The footage was recently restored, digitalised and enhanced in quality.

    Thank u bro

    Sorry, every occasion is good to use this GIF 🤣

    You're welcome 💙

    aaaaaah, eu queria muito assistir a esse vídeo, mas depois de ver aquele pedaço de medula óssea se espalhando, não sei se consigo 😭

    It's not an easy watch, definitely. Just know it's there if you're curious.

  • This video gets several things wrong. Guess that's tik tok history for ya. The footage is cool though.

    AI is a curse. It also can’t differentiate between the metal lead and to “lead” like a leader. 

    The images are not AI, however the text might as well be. I didn't fully listen to it.

    The script and reading is definitely AI. I think that's what they were referring to.

    The voice is AI, but I wouldn't be so sure about the script. The general population seem to be fully on board with the version that HBO told them.

    HBO was quite accurate with their series. And I don't get why they get so much hate as for the parts they got wrong they admit to it in the end of episode 5 where they clear up all the things they changed for the sake of story telling.

    And to fight misinformation, you need only expose those inaccuracies and share reliable sources; just claiming it doesn’t help a bit. Anyway, documentaries from those times weren’t any better than TikTok. I don’t think the original commentary would be flawless either. There’s a BBC documentary from 1989 that also spread half-truths or outright lies about the event, sometimes because of a lack of knowledge from the times, and other times just for the sake of sensationalism. https://youtu.be/I7M-4jW9IjI?si=mxj0-K0tm5MCJMJX

  • Sorry, but people seem to forget that this was a real life tragedy - not just some miniseries. These were young kids with most of their lives ahead of them. They were sent to their own demise all for the sake of secrecy. Cmon people be human.

  • Again the same shit as in HBO's Chernobyl, helicopter crash was during the sarcophagus installation in October. And it didn't happen due to some magic instrument malfunction

    I thought that in the HBO version, the helicopter blades made contact with the crane wires, causing the crash?

    In Hbo they crashed due to radio faulting from radiation exposure from an open reactor core iirc. They didn't hear them commands to evade the wires and crashed

    I recently rewatched HBO version and in no way they say it crashed due to radiation. What are you on about?

    I watched it very recently too and you’re right, the HBO episode shows the helicopter clearly hitting the crane wires - very similar to the actual incident.

    Every gripe someone has with the show is that it’s somehow made out to be radiation that crashes the copter but that’s wrong - it shows and actually highlights the crane wires bringing it down

    Second episode, Scherbina and Legasov through the binoculars at how the helicopter operators are doing their mission, Legasov orders Scherbina to tell to them pilots to avoid the active zone due to severe radiation, seconds before they were actively communicating, but once the first heli has made it close to the core, radio silence emerged and the helicopter crashed into the wires

    Just watched it .

    The helicopter goes down because of wires from the crane, although it's presented awfully in the show.

    the radiation made them deazy which in turn left them distracted and hit the crane wires

    Yup, the helicopter crashed because it became entangled with a crane. The TV series used the original footage for reference of that scene, as they did for Hospital n°6, but changed the circumstances. IDK why, honestly.

    I have an idea why - it entangles itself quite well with the context narrative of how bad the Soviet system was with emergency calls and how it saw no issue with wasting people in the process of fixing its own shit. It's one of my most despised moments in the show alongside the coal minister who was an actual miner since the age of 15 and three divers who actually were senior staff volunteers and survived, actually.

    For what it's worth, at the end of the last episode the show mentions that the divers survived.

    Oh, seems like I have missed that. Thanks for the notion

    One of them is still alive if I'm not mistaken.

    "Três mergulhadores que eram voluntários seniores da equipe e sobreviveram, de fato"

    O programa afirma especificamente que eles sobreviveram. O que há para desprezar nisso?

    Well the notion about them surviving I seem to have missed. Half of the problem gone. The other half is that the episode stated that they were forced to be volunteers, on a "semi-volunteer-semi-forced" basis. Which is a blatant lie, in their case

    Onde o episódio afirma isso?

    Eles são solicitados a fazer o trabalho. Quando alguns dos trabalhadores expressam reservas, Sherbina faz um discurso sobre como fazer sacrifícios é o que diferencia o povo soviético. Três homens então se oferecem como voluntários.

    Como isso é forçado de alguma forma? Cite uma parte dessa cena em que os trabalhadores são forçados de alguma maneira.

    Parece que você perdeu mais do que apenas a afirmação de que eles sobreviveram.

    There were no worker reservations in the real world, the entire speech with how Scherbina or the motherland or whatever will pay them money but it doesn't matter for them because this is a deadly job , it never happened. Scherbina on the beginning of May was regularly scheduling jobs for the teams, on a debrief three senior staff men volunteered. They went into the building, after the radiation level was checked, with half of the water level already pumped out by the firefighters, did their job and returned.

    Então, novamente, explique como eles foram forçados de alguma forma?

    Seus problemas foram que a série deu a entender que eles não sobreviveram (a série afirma que sobreviveram) e que eles foram forçados (o episódio mostra eles se oferecendo como voluntários).

    Você entende por que seu desprezo por essa cena com base nessas críticas não é justificado?

    Cool, okay, I have just rewatched the moment.

    2nd episode, 2nd day (false, this action had happened at the 4th of May) Legasov asked Gorbachev to approve a suicidal mission (this call has never happened) Legasov and Scherbina call for a debriefing, where staff members are now listening to Legasov's idea with the valves. He promises them funds and other benefits, they start to argue in return because of how insanely dangerous the radiation is and that they will surely die. Scherbina stands up and says that they will do that because that is what needs to be done, because millions will die and because the staff shall know and must share the millennial suffering (sic!) of the Russian people. After this speech, three people volunteered with a sight of fear in their eyes.

    Again, this scene has never happened.

    This is done in an atmosphere that is common for some shiet here in the Soviet and post Soviet experience, named "добровольно-принудительно", where you are technically asked and technically have an opinion to disagree, but factually this is a false premise and on disagreement, you will be forced violently.

    Em nenhum momento o episódio mostra eles sendo forçados.

    Eles são convidados a fazer o trabalho. Três homens se oferecem como voluntários.

    Vou reiterar. Você não gosta dessa cena porque acha que ela distorceu o fato de que os homens se ofereceram como voluntários e sobreviveram.

    A série mostra especificamente os três homens se oferecendo como voluntários para o trabalho e, em seguida, afirma que os três sobreviveram.

    Sua aversão a essa cena se baseia em críticas infundadas.

    Os criadores falam sobre as mudanças que fizeram no podcast após o lançamento e o sucesso da série. A maioria das mudanças foi feita para fins dramáticos, já que se trata de uma obra dramática e não de um documentário.

    Sim, não exatamente.

    Principalmente por ter se mantido tão fiel aos fatos históricos em grande parte da série, você chegou a se sentir em conflito ao fazer algumas dessas invenções e mudanças?<

    Sim. [Pausa.] Às vezes eu pensava: "Bem, existe uma diferença entre a maneira perfeita de fazer algo em termos de precisão histórica e a maneira perfeita de fazer algo para que as pessoas assistam e apreciem o que importa". Você não pode ter os dois, pelo menos nesse formato. Você pode escrever um livro enorme, onde se mantém o mais fiel possível aos fatos, porque esse é o propósito desse meio. Mas para este meio, não. Acho que ninguém vai querer assistir, sei lá, 100 horas de Chernobyl brutalmente detalhada, nem ninguém vai me dar dinheiro para fazer isso. Então você tem que fazer escolhas. Mas sim, digamos apenas o seguinte: eu senti isso todas as vezes que fiz. E eu tentei, todas as vezes que fazia isso, não fazer. Então, os ajustes desse tipo doíam um pouco quando eu os fazia. E eu só conseguia me acalmar sabendo que ia falar abertamente sobre isso com as pessoas, para que elas soubessem.

    Completely glossing over quotes like this:

    "When it did kind of peek its head out, it was attacked. So I thought the worst possible thing I could do in telling a story like that would be to contribute to that problem by over-fictionalizing, over-dramatizing."

    "We couldn’t change things to make them scarier; we couldn’t change things to make them more dramatic, or more sensational, or more horrifying. I thought that the truth of what happened there was terrifying and distressing enough. But I made sure that HBO and Sky knew, before we even shot a frame, that my intention was to do a companion podcast where I would hold myself accountable for those changes. I never wanted people to think I was pulling a fast one, or trying to get away with something. None of the changes were there to ramp up drama."

    No changes were made for dramatic purposes. Most changes were made because Mazin is stupid and didn't understand the real story.

    As mudanças foram feitas literalmente para fins dramáticos; colocar a queda do helicóptero onde colocaram é mais dramático do que quando o fogo já está apagado, como aconteceu na vida real. Isso é objetivamente verdade, não é?

    Mazin diz que sim e que não disse isso no seu artigo, o que dificilmente é objetivo. Ele também usa palavras evasivas, como evitar "excessivamente-dramatização".

    Colocar a queda do helicóptero lá não prova que ele é um idiota que não entende a história, a menos que você esteja argumentando que a queda do helicóptero é a história em si, e não um detalhe. Ele incluiu a Ponte da Morte, mesmo que seja muito provavelmente anacrônica, porque é uma ótima história que não afeta a narrativa escolhida sobre o custo das mentiras. Não sei o que te dizer, mas a entrevista da Vice para mim só prova que Mazin não está disposto a admitir uma coisa nem outra. Ele definitivamente admite as mudanças no podcast, e suas respostas são mais ou menos as mesmas: "Esta é uma história melhor" ou "Este é um programa de TV melhor". Essa é a definição de mudanças para criar drama, licença artística, ou qualquer outra alegação que ele tenha feito à Vice.

  • Those people saved many of our lives here in Europe. A horrible situation but they went towards the danger and saved the world, figuratively

  • I would request to be euthanized... But they'd certainly keep my alive for "science"...

    Well, no. If you are terminal and ask for euthanasia doctors are required (or should be) to administer it. If you are referring to Hiroshi Ouchi's case he was kept alive for so long because in Japan doctors are ethically and legally required to do everything they can to try and save the patient.

    They also took advantage of the occasion to try and study the effects of radiation sickness and possible therapies, which is hardly ethical but perfectly legal in Japan.

    I was unaware of Hiroshi Ouchi, but I always assumed that, at least in the Soviet Union, they would consider it my duty to suffer for the sake of science. But I would not want to live through that level of radiation poisoning, it would be hell on earth. But it's also quite likely I wouldn't be able to effectively communicate to the doctors how bad I wished they would just let me die...

    Oh, in that case no. No, you wouldn't have been kept alive for science. It takes around two weeks to make a reasonable esteem whether or not a person with radiation sickness will survive.

    It was actually an American doctor, Dr Robert Gale, who used the Chernobyl firefighters as guinea pigs for his experiments on bone marrow transplant. It is now widely theorised that some of those who received the transplant would have otherwise survived. Dr Angelina Guskova was strongly against the transplant experiments but was bypassed because Dr Gale had a contact in the high spheres, who posed as an American philanthropist but was later discovered to be a KGB agent.

    There are very few places in the world where euthanasia is permitted on humans wtf are you talking about

    Where I live, terminal patients can refuse care and reanimation and ask for deep sedation instead, or they can request medical assisted suicide meaning that doctors will provide them a lethal dose but they will not directly administer it. Doctors are also discouraged from administering futile medical care.

    Once a patient has terminal radiation sickness forcefully keeping them alive would be futile medical care. A patient in such conditions can request and receive deep sedation, which can be considered euthanasia.

    Sedation is not euthanasia. You have a right to refuse medical care given you are of sound mind in any country with a functioning government that’s not special and is also not euthanasia. Idk what hell hole your from that encourages doctors to not provide medical care even if they deem it futile but that’s morally disgusting ans frankly violates their Hippocratic oath

    Futile medical care is when a person is kept alive artificially and against their will. Let's say a person who's brain dead, keeping them hooked to machinery is futile medical care. I was quoting Hiroshi Ouchi's case. They knew he couldn't survive but kept reanimating him even if he would never regain consciousness. In Japan, this is medical ethics, in my country it's considered futile medical care.

    As per the Hippocratic Oath, you cannot cause any damage or unnecessary pain. Is keeping a person forcefully alive and in unimaginable pain better then letting them pass away in their sleep after they could say goodbye? What about what they want and ask for in their right state of mind?

    Ya know ouchi was kept alive due to his own wishes right?

    Nope, it was the opposite. He clearly stated that he wanted to be left to die. His family insisted for continuing with aggressive treatments and, as I wrote before, it is required for Japanese doctors to do everything to try and save their patients even if they are terminal.

    The book "83 days of radiation sickness" is pretty clear in this terms.

  • Is this real? Or again the next AI generated footage?

    Don't know why your question was downvoted, I hope this is not going to be the new standard in this sub. Anyway, the footage is real, but many take offense (rightly so) because it's put together in a way that misrepresents the facts.

    Real and fully document

    Nope, it's all real footage. Just very recently stabilised and enhanced in quality.

  • gotta be the worst way to die for sure

  • More useless AI slop... The footage is good, the friggin' narration is pathetic!

  • Looks like some weird inaccurate AI upscaling…

    Not really! 10000% true and real.

    Idk if there’s new enhanced footage but it is certainly real the first video is from an old YouTube vid it’s one of the workers that were exposed to extreme amounts of acute radiation with many others shown the second and 3 one I’ve only seen photos especially the one where he looks very bad

  • Is this AI? The way the clips are so short is weird

    No it’s not. These are real images.

    It does that when old video is stabilized

    The voiceover has to be AI. Mispronunciation of “lead” and “live” for example.

    I've seen bits of that footage years ago, pretty sure I'm not making this up, at least not on purpose. My guess is that it was edited to fit all the clips in a short format, it was stabilized and/or enhanced with AI and the voiceover is AI too, likely the scrip was also written by AI, but the footage seems to be real.

    That's cool. Weird to see how the helicopter really just collapsed like that. And also cool how the TV show nailed these scenes so accurately

  • Apparently the type of radiation didn't go through skin so much but was extremely lethal if inhaled

    Yes and no. That kind of radiation is α and β which can be easily blocked but are dangerous if inhaled, but there's also γ radiation, which does penetrate anything except lead. And there are other kinds in which I'm not well versed.

    Just, there were other kinds of radiation other than that. What really makes a difference is the distance from the source, how well it's shielded from the outside environment and how long one is exposed to it.

    thanks for the clarification

    You're absolutely welcome, but keep in mind that's an oversimplification.

  • Nothing declassified here

  • oh god... that first guy, i don't know if that's his voice but god... if that were me i would be begging someone to bludgeon me to death with the nearest oxygen tank.

  • Those poor firemen, my heart goes out to them and all those people effected by that radiation

  • Cara, você nem reconhece IA

    Você não reconhece que é verdade, não leves a mal.