I think a lot of bad or overtly loud internet topics etc. are typically ND’s (Neurodivergent) individuals with the labeled “High Sense of Justice” arguing with bots and causing discourse that most people offline and in everyday life don’t care about or are not interested in. I think they become extremely prevalent and these topics may show up on the news etc. but they aren’t usually the general public’s beliefs. This also causes a huge negative shift on “groups” of people outside the internet because now everyone thinks everyone believes they’re an enemy when most people don’t have such black & white takes in reality,
There is no logic behind "i see people being loud on the internet, they must be neurodivergent".
We already know people don't behave the same online as they do in person, so comparing it to outside the internet doesn't support the idea at all.
But more so, where did you get the offensive idea that discourse that doesn't meet your standard must be neurodivergent people?
From watching people on the spectrum speak about their sense of justice on Tik Tok and it mirroring the talking points on X in which it’s filled with a passion that I don’t think most neurotypical would have regarding these very specific topics. Also I said bots also.
I know you said bots also, bots aren't people that you're judging, so I hardly have any questions about why you're assigning that particular behavior to bots. It wouldn't really have the same prejudicial weight to it.
Neurotypical become very impassioned when you challenge their beliefs, where did you get the idea that they don't?
I think perhaps a mixture of preconceptions and giving way too much weight to tik tokers, they're making content for consistent viewership and 90% of what they say is ND is just normal human behaviour, and even tbe behaviour that IS linked to divergence, that's all normal human behaviour display at a disordered level.
You're not diagnosing disordered level behaviour from a comment thread. And as I said, we already know that people lean towards less socially acceptable behaviours on the internet.
Okay I already changed my mind btw lol. If you read the thread you see I didn’t mean harm to that community and got a valid answer. But as a ND, are you also my people? You seem a bit passionate my friend. A bit too passionate…. sneers
Haha, this is you reading passion into a discussion because I disagree with you. I wonder how often you've done that to come up with this view.
No lol. I just wanted to see your response 😁. I’m trolling at this point. Hey how you give deltas to people? You earned one buddy
Sure, of course it was that. How silly of me not to see.
Nah not silly at all. Though we didn’t have a formal discussion. I do understand the human psyche is way more complex than just ND vs NT several behaviors aren’t just specific to one group. My intent wasn’t to be judgmental also, but I can see how it can come across that way.
OP, have you ever heard of the “Dead Internet Theory”? You’re pretty close to espousing the same theory here.
And yes, a significant amount of social media is bots. It’s tough to get an actual measurement.
Quoting James Felton, who researched and wrote a good deal about the topic - “Like all good conspiracy theories, the Dead Internet Theory takes a kernel of truth or agreed sentiment (that the internet is getting worse, and that bot activity is increasing) and twists it into something it isn't.”
GPTs and LLMs are certainly contributing more to traffic and posts online, but until there’s good actual data to point to, the general sentiment behind how most people define Dead Internet Theory just is simply unfounded.
I have actually, but I never did a deep dive. I think I’ll look into it.
Why do you believe this? What are you basing this belief on? You've said what you believe but not why.
Because especially on X I see so many inflammatory takes that have no nuance whatsoever and then outside of the internet discussions are pretty tame regardless of what political stance or anything. It just seems like either the internet causes people to have some heightened sense to be assholes (I might sound like an asshole myself).
"I see" is potentially important here. You might unwittingly engage with these kinds of posts and therefore see them more often. I, for instance, see a bunch of memes and software/tech stuff.
Yeah it’s my algorithm.
But does that mean it's potential not the majority of the internet, merely the majority of your internet?
That could be true, but that doesn't mean these people are neurodivergent or bots. Neurotypical people can be assholes too. Maybe the internet, and Twitter especially, is just where the assholes all go to yell into the void, not just the neurodivergent people, but all people.
People are more likely to have loud hot takes when they can hide behind a keyboard. Plenty of people act much different IRL. It's quite upsetting.
And what basis do you have for assuming participants are ND? I’m autistic myself and got into internet discourse once upon a time, but looking back I honestly think that was just part of me being young and beginning to explore and understand my own values. In more recent years, if someone starts shit with me online I just block them and move on cause I have better shit to do with my time.
also, to claim something would show up on the news but not reflect the public's belief is kind of silly. If the public didn't care about it, the news wouldn't report on it. Also, there is data to disprove this theory.
I think you haven't done any research on the concept of manufactured consent
I said change my view and I’d love to see the data. Thank you
take a look at literally any survey on https://www.pewresearch.org/ - hundreds of thousands of data points across time. those are real people who clearly care about the issues they're being surveyed about
Depends on what a big majority is, but a large percentage are 100% bots https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264226/human-and-bot-web-traffic-share/?srsltid=AfmBOoqOsCEEyzK1skaHP2Pj5eNy_f-GCr9IKLexP0RfQDXhlWHWoBpk however, neuro-divergent individuals I couldn't really tell you. I will say, a lot of things in this post are really vague. What are these points people dont care about in person, but care about online. What are these topics showing up on the news that are from NDs and bots? Why do you even believe this to begin with considering non neurodivergent individuals 1. spend time on the internet obviously, 2. are susceptible to group think and irrationality at high rates, where are these drastically different than people with neurodivergence, and 3. are also plenty stupid with the internet and will not be able to identify bots all the times, but likewise... any different than neurodivergent individuals?
To specify it’s usually about very specific identity politics, some Stan culture issues, and lots of racism. I just don’t think a lot of the chaos you see really mirrors every day people. I think it’s a lot of bots and mostly people who don’t really see society the same way as typical people just by how the discourse usually is interpreted, atleast by me. It’s very much moral policing vs extra almost juvenile inflammatory rhetoric. You’ll see someone call someone with one ignorant opinion the most evil person on earth with no nuance and then you’ll see a bunch of high school level racist jokes.
Well, I think the reality of the situation is, a LOT of people that are super vocal on social media are teenagers or early 20s. Not neurodivergent, but not mentally and emotionally at their peak stoking the fires. Like how many 40 year olds are participating in Stan culture issues compared to the teenagers? Or how many people are pushing specific identity politics or saying racist, ragebait, content? What is the most popular demographic for somebody like Andrew Tate or Taylor Swift? It is 100% skewing to the younger end because they just do not know better because they are not mature. It isn't because they are neurodivergent, but because they do not have enough life experience outside of the internet.
You know what, that makes sense.
Hmmmm, did I change your mind a bit at least?
Yeah, also to clarify it wasn’t an attack on anyone who is ND. I just see a lot of videos from ND creators who say their sense of justice is so big compared to Neurotypicals and often times I’d see them arguing points often, that though valid wouldn’t always have as much nuance and it reminded me of all the Twitter discussions I’ve saw.
I didn’t think u were being rude. But if someone changes ur mind in this subreddit, you usually give them a delta and a little reasoning as to why they changed ur mind
Ok I have to figure out how to give a delta. But I can say that I do realize a lot of younger people do use the internet quite often and I did forget that fact. So when you brought it up, it did help change my view on the topic. I do still think lots of bots are online but I will change the general statement about ND’s atleast.
Not all people with a high sense of justice are neurodivergent and not all neurodivergent people have a high sense of justice.
I know many many neurotypical people who are online engaging in these debates.
I’m 40 and I constantly have to remind myself that most people I engage with on Reddit MUCH younger than me.
Last I checked, 50% (as a low estimate) of all internet traffic were bot controlled. It's likely towards 80% now since that was a few years ago.
Where did you see this?