• America keeping that oil industry going strong đź’Ş 🇺🇸 🦅

    While the oil industry keeps America going backwards.

    Same in Germany unfortunately and we don't even have any oil.

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    Down 1% according to this.

    In my opinion these are the key factors slowing down adoption. Lack of education, political association, infrastructure, and home ownership

    Over 65% of Americans own their house. But the largest group of them is 55+ which are least likely to own an EV.

    EV ownership is more separated by age than my home ownership. Because less people in Europe own their houses and EV ownership is growing there.

    I forget the stat, but apparently a large percent of US new car buyers either own a home or otherwise have the ability to get charging installed. Googling gives me a few numbers but they are all above 65% logically, since most new car buyers are homeowners.

    Not that we don't need to get our act together with getting charging in rentals, but that's not a big obstacle for new car buyers.

    Europe's approach to ev charging is interesting with the bring your own cable set up

    I would add vehicle range and charging speed … or lack there of. I don’t care if the infrastructure had a charging station every 10 miles. Taking a road trip with a non-luxury EV (rental) was one of the worst vacation experiences I’ve had.

    Range anxiety is sad, it prevents tons of people from trying an EV, my friend recent got a Prologue, and he said that was his biggest fear, he doesn't even have charging at home, and it hasn't been an issue. When does anyone really drive more than 200 mile sin a day. Most people it's more like 30 or less.

    Google tells m ein the US it's 37 / day average

    Long road trips aren’t super rare or anything. My SO and I go to our old university football games to tailgate, that alone is like a 500 mile round trip 7 times a year.

    Then a 600 mile round trip once in a while to see her parents, 250 mile round trip to see mine. We go to a lot of national parks in our state and the surrounding area so that’s more road trips in areas with basically zero chargers.

    I don’t know if any of this is really unusual driving behavior. It’s not like I’m a hotshot trucker or anything. An EV would serve my needs maybe 90% of the time which is nice but like, a gas car does it 100% of the time.

    Again you're an anomaly, average in the US is 13k a year, with the average daily at 35 miles. EV's are getting into the 300 mile range and charging times lower than you can grab a burger a take a pee. It's only getting better. My friend and his wife have an EV and Hybrid. If they need to go 600 miles they take the hybrid and can typically, do it without gas or a charge.

    For me, any roadtrip under 250 miles I use the EV and anything over 250 I used my gas car (600 miles on a tank in good conditions)

    I only drive ~10k miles a year, I don’t think I’m an anomaly. My daily commute to work is only 5 miles.

    People live different lifestyles… this topic honestly has no point if anybody who doesn’t just go to work and back while never leaving their town for any reason is simply dismissed as an edge case.

    For my trips to my old university… I went to a D1 school there’s thousands and thousands of people driving all sorts of long distances to go see these games every week in the fall.

    who spends hours eating a burger. all this "20%-80% in 15 minutes for a small battery and a charger no one has access to!" stuff online has people confused.

    This is a US problem though, and even then, some states are better than others. You may say the population in the US is spread out unlike the EU. But then I would point to Australia, where the population is also spread out. Right now, EVs are getting more and more popular in Australia and while the charging infrastructure in Australia is not optimal, it’s getting much better and making it more ideal for EV drivers.

    It's kinda a And/or situation. Megawatt charging would mean vehicle range could be much lower.

    I did a Kia Niro ev rental and it was a shit experience compared to my lyriq at home due to low range and slow Charing speeds.

    I do road trips all the time, I find that the 1-2 hours max spent charging a day, some of which is time I'd be stopped eating anyway, is no big deal. If I'm in a big rush I'm flying, the point of a road trip is to slow down and decompress a little, maybe see stuff or stop along the way too. Come to think of it, if every stop had charging a lot of that time difference would go away even.

    I wonder what percent of buyers just absolutely can't handle the charge time on a road trip? And what percent have actually experienced it - I thought it would be far worse than it really is 5 years ago when I bought my first BEV and did a 1,000 mile trip, turns out getting there a bit later on day 2 really doesn't matter that much.

    Charge time is the biggest problem for any use not going from home to home. I’d love a Hummer EV suv, but it’s useless to me since our larger vehicles are often used for road trips. The $140 tank doesn’t matter versus the value of my time lost charging. Add the headache if doing it with kids on too of it. Hell, it’s not cheaper to drive even compared to my trx using a public charger ($.025-40/mile versus about the same at 11mpg highway)

  • “Global EV sales reached 2.0 million units in November 2025, bringing cumulative sales to 18.5 million year-to-date, up 21% on 2024. Europe led growth, rising 36% year-on-year in November, driven by new incentives and wider model availability. France and Italy both saw renewed momentum from national support, while the UK expanded its subsidy list to support further uptake. In contrast, North America remains subdued following the end of US tax credits, whereas China continues to dominate with 11.6 million units sold year-to-date, up 19%. Record overseas sales from BYD reflect the growing global reach of Chinese EV makers. Overall, EV demand remains resilient, supported by expanding model ranges and sustained policy incentives worldwide.”

    Snapshot electric vehicle sales in YTD 2025 (Jan-Nov 2025) vs YTD 2024 (Jan-Nov 2024), YTD %

    Global: 18.5 million, +21%

    China: 11.6 million, +19%

    Europe: 3.8 million, +33%

    North America: 1.7 million, -1%

    Rest of World: 1.5 million, +48%

    I guess now we know why a lot of EVs from non Chinese automakers look Chinese

    It isn't just about EV honestly, some new combustion engine models also look like Chinese. It's clearly many automakers still heavily relying Chinese car market, as it's biggest car market.

    Defintely so, at least top 3 for a lot of brands. Plus I think some makers design their cars to look more Chinese just to convince buyers who prefer Chinese quite a lot over non Chinese brands that they’re still worth keeping an eye on for future models, but to gain a lot of market share in segments there

    Largest market in general with 1.4 billion people.

    Lumping every where else as "rest of world" is kinda crazy in 2025

    I'm guessing that has more to do with the 1.5 million than anything else. At some point the number gets small enough that it makes sense to lump areas together.

    South America, SE Asia, Japan, Australia, and any place that isn't one of the countries listed bought less EVe than JUST north America. This is the correct and accurate way to summarize stats.

    Because they don't was a mile long list that says Kazakhstan: 6.

  • After reading the article it’s unclear to me if these numbers are for pure BEVs or also PHEVs. For instance it says:

    The European market grew by 36% y-o-y in November 2025, with 35% growth in BEVs and 39% in PHEVs. This brings YTD sales in Europe to 3.8 million units, growing by 33% compared to YTD 2024.

    This seems like they’re counting PHEVs as “EVs”. Which happens a lot with Chinese statistics too as the quoted figure is usually “New Energy Vehicles” which includes EREVs and PHEVs.

  • ...they are really going to catch on once people start to factor in the 'low- maintenance' divided...

  • I think the world of EV sales would keep slow down and only slightly growing in future years. Most worlds are in the bad time, and America and Europe are not pushing so hard in EV now.

    Once EVs hit price parity there will be no looking back, and they are basically there. Range is sufficient for the majority of buyers, however charging infrastructure and speeds still needs to improve somewhat. For anyone that has the ability to charge at home, even at Level 1, there really is nothing stopping you.

    I buy $3000 beaters, repair myself, and drive them until there is nothing left. There are no EV's in that price range.

    You are what is called an edge case. There will always be edge cases and I'm not suggesting an EV will make sense for everyone.

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    People really have no sense do they?

    Not everyone is American, try again.

    I am not American either. You use American slang, so I assumed you were. What currency is your $3000 budget in?

    The USA has probably the worst EV market in the world, so if you're in any country outside the US your options would likely be even better.

    You are not in the new car market then. There’s no $3000 new car EV or not EV

    When you give car manufacturers zero dollars, that's exactly how much they care about your buying habits.