We already have a trade deal with the US. The overwhelming majority of it is duty free, and the effective tariff rate right now is around 6%, lower than any other significant US trading partner. The deal expires July 1, 2036.
The reason why Carney isn’t treating this as some kind of crisis is because it’s not a crisis. Trump hasn’t actually followed through on his massive tariff threats - the “trade war” with Canada was mostly theatre, and most of what Trump says about anything is promptly forgotten as soon as someone jiggles a new set of keys in front of of his face. Quietly accepting the status quo while actively pursuing other partnerships is the right policy.
Ten months ago we were staring down a devastating 10% GDP contraction, now we’re having to listen to mild rhetoric about dairy supply management and liquor sales.
So what's your plan for when the 2026 elections give the GOP more power in the house/senate and Trump gets his third term or Vance/Rubeo/other wins in 2028?
Do you think Canada is going to get a better deal once CUMSA is gone and we're the only global hold out without a trade deal with the states?
No deal is absolutely not better than a bad deal. We need to get our ducks in a row, we need to get businesses to know what the future holds. Sitting in limbo like this is terrible.
I couldn’t disagree more. Trump will be gone sooner than later and we can deal with someone who is more reasonable (a 3 year old on a sugar rush would be more reasonable). Giving large concessions to Trump that could have negative impacts on Canada for decades to come is NOT the smart way to go about things. Much better to wait it out. He can appoint himself president for life, he still can’t beat Father Time.
Why do you think Trump will be gone sooner or later?
Democrats are in total disarray trying to get any kind of feeling on the American public right now. Trump is more popular than Obama or Bush were in their second terms at the same time. Plus none of the economic doomsaying has come to fruition.
Especially if Trump actually does a good boy for once and retires instead of pushing a third term, Vance/whoever can easily say they will drop the unpopular parts of Trump's presidency (annoying twitter messages, tarrifs if they're unpopular, restrictive immigration policy) and keep all the popular parts and easily crush another Kamala swing at the presidency for instance.
Trump is nearly 80 and not a picture of good health. In fact his physical and mental decline even over the last few years has been noticeable. Either way I’m not as optimistic about the chances of the GOP after Trump is gone. He’s poisoned the well too much and there’s no one there that can follow him. Economic doomsday? No, but Trump has not tackled the things he said he would (cost of living, inflation) which is why he’s seeing sagging approval ratings. And the Epstein scandals have caused large cracks in his base. He’s cooked.
So you side step all the other things I said to establish that while Trump might be cooked (I don't really disagree in theory) that a successor can easily take the reigns and bulldoze the democrats in 2028?
We need to be prepared for a very long period of GOP rule, antagonizing future presidents/high admin people just because we don't like Trump is a huge blunder.
I didn’t side step it, I just disagree wholeheartedly with it. I don’t seethe GOP holding power after Trump is gone. And even if they did… do I believe JD Vance would have the same vigor to pursue tariffs and fracture trade deals with the rest of the world? I can’t see it. Trump is the problem and he’ll be gone sooner than later.
do I believe JD Vance would have the same vigor to pursue tariffs and fracture trade deals with the rest of the world?
But I thought the US wanted to annex Canada and make us the 51st state? Are you saying that there's no long term plan to do this and it's all just the ravings of a madman who couldn't do it at all?
Because if that's your position then we should be insuring ourselves against that only, not saying as the PM has that our relationship with the US is fundamentally changed and will never be the same.
What im saying is that this is Trumps rhetoric. Whether he would or not cannot be predicted, because I can’t rightly say he is above anything. But if Trump were to take a heart attack and die tomorrow (god forbid), I don’t think JD Vance would be continuing Trumps outrageous goals. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
According to Gallup his approval rating as of November was 36%. Obama’s (in the first Nov of his second term) was 41% and Biden’s (in the first Nov of his presidency) was 42%. All this comes as prices rise across their country and jobs report after jobs report is revised down to show loss after loss.
Above you said that the GOP are going to get more power in the midterms. Race to the White House currently has the Democrats favoured to win the house at 62.7%.
Where exactly are you getting your information from?
According to Gallup his approval rating as of November was 36%. Obama’s (in the first Nov of his second term) was 41% and Biden’s (in the first Nov of his presidency) was 42%. All this comes as prices rise across their country and jobs report after jobs report is revised down to show loss after loss.
Above you said that the GOP are going to get more power in the midterms. Race to the White House currently has the Democrats favoured to win the house at 62.7%.
Respectfully, I don't think that the polls over a year out on a midterm election are particularly moving. Democrats are far more likely to say they're going to vote hard D when polled with a Trump presidency.
You can combat my reasoning for thinking that R is going to hold on to both/gain seats.
Trump as established by RCP is more popular than other second term presidents in recent memory (this is most likely a blip because his terms are broken up, but also the sychophantic MAGA voters)
Apart from some economic policy which is unpopular with some of America, a lot of his policy is highly popular (especially with his base). I don't think running on "we'll stop ICE raids" is the winning ticket you might think it is based on where America is.
No economic doomsday is occuring because of Trump's economic policy. Some numbers look a little worse, could be because of the lack of movement from illegals. I think most voting Americans at this point will take that trade-off.
Democrats have absolutely no grasp on where people are in wide America. Zohran can win NY and Newsom can win CA, but where elections are won they've completely lost the plot.
Democrats have no cultural in-reach. They have no leaders, when people do propose policy (like Ezra Klein) they open in-fighting rings. The old guard (Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Bernie) are all aging out of being effective politicians or retiring and there's nobody new who is coming up behind them.
Feel free to combat any point made, but the conclusion that the GOP will continue to dominate comes from my reading of the above points not from polling at the moment.
we should wait for the 2026 elections to be finished. It's looking like the Republicans are going to lose a lot of power. That makes Trump's bargaining position weaker. No deal is better than the bad deal we'd get right now.
The GOP is definitely not in a great position but I think the dems are in an even worse position than they were last November (and last November was a mess).
Any deal with Trump will be thrown out the window the moment something displeases him anyway. Trump and his entire administrations word is worthless. We should concentrate on making trade agreements with other countries and see how the US is doing after Nov 2026.
Pierre would not have a deal either. The Trump Administration is only interested in a "deal" that massively fucks over Canada. The Canadian GM layoffs are feature of the trade war, according to the Trump administration. They want those factories shut down and rebuilt in the US.
Canada's main leverage is that the trade war also screws Americans, but Trump does not care about the economic damage being done to his own country. He is shamelessly using the tariffs to enrich himself and his friends, abusing the size of the American economy to extort corporations and nations alike.
The short sighted view is to listen to Trump's words (which have about a 40% truth rate) and then expect a real statesman to join in a screaming match with a narcissist.
Yes, USA has taken some first steps.
Canada has also taken some steps.
The dance is long, and your patience seems short.
As a person who tends to vote conservative, I appreciate the tone and the actions our federal government is taking.
Because Carneys slogans are real. He said so himself. Job losses in our major industries are all a part of his 20-d chess that he has refined as a money-man.
Yea I work in the auto sector and we've been laying off a lot of people with more to come next year as they move stuff to the US so like how are we owning Trump ? Maybe someone who works on a laptop for the government thinks we are owning Trump but we are actually losing lol
Trump has effectively doomed the American car companies as soon as this decade. Between his tariff incompetence, and his anti-electric policies they will all ride the last of the ICE demand, while china keeps pushing electric ahead.
Unfortunately that may be our reality, yes. Can I ask, does the US seem to be a good faith partner right now? How much faith would you place in any “deal” that was worked out? For instance, the US and the UK made a “big announcement” about a deal, and now the US wants to change it. So, you know, great deal there. Frankly, I doubt too many people ARE sleeping easy right now, cause these are frankly terrifying times. Like, how can we “keep” GM? More government money? Has that worked? I’m not trying to sound snarky, I am legitimately curious. Personally I’m wondering if the economies of Canada having a car manufacturing sector works. That said, that’s an easy thing to say, but what I’m really talking about is jobs, lives and communities. If car manufacturing goes away, what happens to them? I don’t know. I don’t know what happens as AI continues to strip jobs away from white collar workers like me. Like is your argument that Carney doesn’t want a deal? He’s made a number of concessions already, and they have yielded nothing…
We might be able to have a car manufacturing industry here, but we probably need an actual Canadian company to do it. Clinging to these failing American dinosaurs is a disaster in the making.
And I like that in theory, love it even. I just don’t know what it takes to create a brand new Canadian car company (or level one up if we have it). But even that, well it may off set some losses from “the big three”, it won’t eliminate ALL of them. Maybe we lower tariffs on Chinese EVs, to try to get some manufacturing here (though if they only have access to the Canadian market, I don’t know how well that works either, lol). I guess my big takeaway is, I don’t know how any of this works out. I love the idea of “big nation building projects” but, those take time and negotiations, and people are losing jobs today. Plus, if you worked down at the dodge factory in Windsor I’m not certain how a new energy corridor from Manitoba to BC helps that factory worker…
We already have a deal... Trump made it. It's good for another decade. And what good is a new deal with a party will just break it anyhow? Better to just ride out what we have, and wait for America to actually want to negotiate in good faith.
I thought people voted for the carney because “he was uniquely in the position as a expert negotiator to get the best deal with Trump” how soon you forget or leave that behind now that the carney has failed
You think the only way to measure negotiation skills is via speed?
We're dealing with an unreliable 3rd party. One who's word can't be trusted, as evidence by the fact he negotiated and signed CUSMA, and wants to back out of that deal.
Right now, CUSMA is still in effect, the US is mostly following it despite their rhetoric... currently, the best deal on the table, is leaving the one we have on the table. Why would we rush to sign a new deal? The expert play here, is to let the US keep shooting themselves in the foot, and wait until we have more leverage to get a better deal than CUSMA... but if we can't improve on that... why rush into something worse.
Unless you can make a rational argument for why a bad deal now, is better than the status quo or a better deal later?
How about having them try to keep their word. Carney “promised” a deal by July and yet still doesn’t have one in place. The EU and many Asian countries have successfully negotiated trade deals with Trump so “Trump” isn’t the problem here.
What is happening is the liberals want to protect Canadian oligopolies, maintain supply management, and they are refusing to let American companies compete in Canada. These are literally moves that would bring in competition and help lower costs for your average Canadian as well as create new job opportunities. So ask yourself why are the liberals so hard fast against this?
Ok but I was promised that if i kept my elbows up carneys master negotiating skills would have had this done months ago..so now its unlikely to happen?? Hmmm. Interesting.
no, no one at any point promised such a thing, Carney ran on signing deals with everyone else which he has succeeded, he also has kept his elbows up and minimized the damage leading to actual growth in areas instead of the expected decline
Just to pre-empt , I know exactly how this is going to go. I'm going to give you this list of quotes, you're going to say "he didn't specifically say that he was the only one who could negotiate a deal, therefore you're BTFO". But if we can be real for five seconds and think about these quotes and the totality of the campaign, what was communicated was clear.
In a Liberal leadership debate (reported February/March 2025):
“I know how to manage crises … in a situation like this, you need experience in terms of crisis management, you need negotiating skills.”
In his Liberal leadership victory speech (March 9, 2025):
“There’s someone who’s trying to weaken our economy: Donald Trump... And Donald Trump, as we know, has put... unjustified tariffs on what we build on what we sell, on how we make a living. He’s attacking Canadian families, workers and businesses, and we cannot let him succeed, and we won’t.”
During the English-language leaders' debate (April 18, 2025):
“The biggest risk we have to this economy is Donald Trump... Trump is trying to break us so he can own us. We’re all going to stand up against Donald Trump. I’m ready.”
"he didn't specifically say that he was the only one who could negotiate a deal, therefore you're BTFO".
in none of those he even saids he plans to negotiate a deal?
“I know how to manage crises … in a situation like this, you need experience in terms of crisis management, you need negotiating skills.”
how has he failed here? the tariffs are light, the economy is recovering, the states has failed to gain anything, how has he failed to manage this crisis?
“There’s someone who’s trying to weaken our economy: Donald Trump... And Donald Trump, as we know, has put... unjustified tariffs on what we build on what we sell, on how we make a living. He’s attacking Canadian families, workers and businesses, and we cannot let him succeed, and we won’t.”
largely the same response, trump is trying to harm canadians, how has he succeeded? in what way did carney fail to stop him?
“The biggest risk we have to this economy is Donald Trump... Trump is trying to break us so he can own us. We’re all going to stand up against Donald Trump. I’m ready.”
trump has tried to break canada so he can own us, in what ways has carney failed to stand against that? what was he not ready for?
Just goes to show that I can call my shot and hit it.
I bolded the important parts of the quotes to establish that he was positioning himself as "the one" to do this, but if you want to put blinders on, by all means.
I bolded the important parts of the quotes to establish that he was positioning himself as "the one" to do this, but if you want to put blinders on, by all means.
im asking you why you think he is not "the one" to do this, in what way did he not live up to those commitments
we dont need one, the one we have is already protecting us
He keeps needlessly antagonizing them
thats subjective and frankly more than a little biased, making it clear that he can negotiate with us as equals or not at all is not antagonizing
He keeps making consessions to America without getting anything back (dropping digital services tax for instance)
id love to hear other examples?
im not happy he dropped the DST, but it wasnt even something we were collecting yet anyway and was always a stopgap until the global one came in so really it didnt harm canada at all
and to try to get back on point, how has trump harmed canada and why do you feel carney could have stopped it but failed
This is going to sound insane to you, but bear with me.
"You're applying the Nazi salute to every single thing that Hitler did". The Fascists/Nazis used the salute to evoke the feeling of the painting Oath of the Horatii in the populace.
To explain, "Elbows up" is a slogan/meme/action that is entirely synonymous with Mark Carney, in exactly the same way that the Hitler salute is synonymous with Hitler. Trying to seperate them is impossible because they were formed as a way to communicate a basic idea of that political leader and they remain in the populace because of how effective that was.
Saying that Mike Myers said "elbows up" completely misunderstanding the entire political ecosystem. Mike Myers was in ads with Carney saying this, Carney had signs at his rallies with "Elbows Up" he did a very awkward "elbows up" dance when he was elected, he still references it. Pretending that "elbows up" only means "specifically and only being against President-Elect and then President Donald J. Trump's comments about making Canada the 51st state" is so hilariously restrictive that it's meaningless.
That's fine, but is it at all possible to criticize your lord and saviour Mark Carney without hearing "eLboWs uP, rIgHt gUyS"! From all of you sychopantic types?
My timeline is, WE ALREADY HAVE A DEAL, CUSMA. So if you can't get a better deal... there's no point. And even if you get a better deal, with Trump's administration, you can't trust they'll honor it... so until such time as they're a rational actor, it doesn't matter.
The current "negotiation" and tactic is getting Trump to just keep going along with CUSMA ... which is working
And they've given no indication of actually withdrawing... the review in 2026 doesn't immediately end it if they don't agree... it actually just stays in effect until they negotiate new terms OR someone provides their notice they're withdrawing...
Until someone triggers that withdrawal, there's no pressure to get a new deal done, as this one is in effect.
You’re turning procedural facts into a crisis that doesn’t exist. CUSMA can be withdrawn, yes — but it hasn’t been. The 2026 review doesn’t terminate the agreement, it just opens the door to changes. Until someone triggers withdrawal, the deal remains in effect, which is why there’s no artificial deadline forcing a rushed renegotiation.
...ok. So you want a deal, to replace a deal, that's currently in effect... because the volatile man that signed the deal might pull our of the deal... but what makes this new fictitious deal any different? The US won't sign a deal that's better for Canada, and worse for them... and they're the ones who pushed for the withdrawal clause, so they'll likely want one in the new deal anyhow.
So all that would change is we have a new deal, that's likely worse for Canada, and still has the same risk of withdrawal as before...
You understand that the Trump administration is full of predators who will take full advantage if we try to rush the process, right? We do not currently have enough leverage to force the US to negotiate in good faith.
What makes you think this isn’t the ideal. realistic negotiation tactic? Or are you just looking for some kinda childish gotcha? Elbows down right? Some other horseshit so you can cope and pretend that Conservatives would have been more effective.
Uhhh, yeah. The only trade deal trump wants is everything Canada has with no concessions on his part. Any deal that is struck isn't worth the paper its printed on. Trump's word is garbage. He can not be reasoned with, trusted or relied upon to live up to his word in any deal or negotiation. Screw him. Canada needs to get more eggs out of the American basket and move on - it'll take time. Till then I will not visit nor purchase American (if I can help it).
So the main thing he campaigned on, he’s been unable to do. Hopefully we resume our normal relationship soon.
I do think it would help if we cleaned up our own issues in Canada first, then came back to the negotiating table in a position of power instead of the current weak position we have now.
Quietly accepting the status quo while actively pursuing other partnerships is the right policy.
Even if USA becomes a stable trade partner in 2029, we can consider increasing our integration with them when we have a better understanding of who they are.
I am hopeful that the 2026 midterm elections will put the republicans in a weak position, and that the SCOTUS will do its job.
Will never happen as long as Trump can’t be trusted to negotiate in good faith. Which he will never do. And even if an agreement is met he will weasel out of it.
Dozens of countries have made trade deals the past few months. But Carney our amazing 5d chess genius elite banker can't make one. It's almost like he doesn't care while his 91% investments in USA stocks keeps going up.
I think its the best thing to happen we were way to reliant on US and now they are very aggressive toward Canada . It's better we turn to Europe ,China,and India. I know there are issues with some of these countries but we will be diversified as a nation and will be better off in the long run . With the US debt and the current leadership we should not tie up to a sinking ship .
Just my 2 cents
If the news article are true and the major issue's are only four demands, they arent really asking for alot.
They want to sell their milk without tarriffs, they want to put their booze on our shelves again. They want to remove the news tax, so that everyone can share the news whats going on around the world for free again. As well a find a electrical agreement with alberta supplying northern states.
Is this actually asking for alot?
I mean we are already integrated with our southern neighbors. I dont know anyone who doesnt watch american television for example.
Canada and the state's need each other we have already build networks which both countries depend on.
They already do, those tariffs don't kick in until they've reached a certain amount and then the tariff is based by on any excess of that value. The 270% tariff trump likes to quote has never happened, it's the very upper limit. Trump's lying is apparently effective, because obviously some people don't bother doing research.
They want to remove the news tax
Not familiar with that tax, but our media, especially news, is dominated by American right-wing billionaires. I'd rather we didn't make it easier for them to flood us with their propaganda and trash opinion pieces.
As well a find a electrical agreement with alberta supplying northern states.
There is no doubt in my mind that would end up being a discounted rate for US, like half the trade we do with them already...
I dont follow the news or media im seeing in the article that all they want those 4 things and they seem very minor in the grand scheme of things. But yea the 51st state is bs.
Feb. 1: Trump signs an executive order imposing 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian
Feb. 13: Trump announces 25 per cent tariffs on all foreign steel and aluminum imports
Feb. 21: Trump signs a memorandum to impose tariffs on countries, including Canada, that levy digital service taxes
March 4: Trump’s tariffs on Canada and Mexico go into effect at 12:01 a.m. eastern time, after the U.S. president says not enough has been done to address his concerns about fentanyl.
March 11: Trump says he will increase his steel and aluminum tariffs to 50 per cent on Canadian exports
March 12: Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs go into effect at midnight.
April 2: Trump launches his so-called “reciprocal” tariff policy on nearly all foreign trading partners. His executive order imposes a 10 per cent baseline tariff on all countries and territories
April 3: Trump’s auto tariffs take effect at midnight. Almost immediately, automaker Stellantis announces it is halting production on its Windsor, Ont., manufacturing facility for two weeks, affecting 3,600 jobs.
April 29: Trump signs executive orders he says will give some temporary tariff relief to automakers reliant on North American supply chains and give them time to move their business to the U.S.
This is extortion - Any companies that have cross border agreements are being extorted to close Canadian facilities and move to USA.
May 2: U.S. tariffs on auto parts take effect at midnight, matching the 25 per cent rate set for imported vehicles. General Motors says it is reducing shifts at its Oshawa Assembly plant in Ontario “in light of forecast demand and the evolving trade environment.”
May 5: Trump threatens to impose a 100 per cent tariff on films not made in the U.S., which he says is necessary to bring production back to Hollywood and other American production hubs.
This basically targets Vancouver and Toronto film industries.
May 30: Trump announces he’s doubling his tariffs on steel and aluminum to 50 per cent, effective June 4, saying it’s necessary for national defence to prioritize American products
Note - the "national defence claim is because that is the only condition that federal tariffs are legally possible. Generally tariffs are controlled by states in USA
June 4: The new 50 per cent steel and aluminum tariff rate takes effect. Carney calls the increase “illegal”
June 27: Trump announces he’s terminating trade talks with Canada “effective immediately”
July 7: Trump says a 50 per cent tariff on all copper imported into the U.S. will take effect Aug. 1, and that he’s planning pharmaceutical tariffs as high as 200 per cent.
July 30: Trump orders the suspension of a “de minimis” exemption that allowed low-value commercial shipments to be shipped to the United States without facing tariffs, effective Aug. 29.
July 31: Trump signs an executive order raising his tariffs on Canada to 35 per cent starting midnight Aug. 1, after a promised trade deal fails to materialize.
Aug. 29: A U.S. appeals court rules Trump’s fentanyl and reciprocal tariffs illegal, upholding the U.S. Court of International Trade ruling from May
Sept. 30: Trump signs a proclamation adding a 10 per cent duty on softwood timber and lumber, and a 25 per cent levy on kitchen cabinets and vanities and other upholstered wooden products
Oct. 23: Trump says he’s terminating all trade negotiations with Canada after the Ontario government airs an anti-tariff TV ad in the U.S. that quotes former U.S. president Ronald Reagan.
That one was particularly spicy for most Canadians.
Oct. 25: Trump threatens to raise tariffs on Canada another 10 per cent because the ad wasn’t pulled sooner. He says trade talks remain off and that he won’t meet with Carney as planned
Nov. 5: The U.S. Supreme Court hears the case on Trump’s use of national emergency powers to impose tariffs. Many of the justices appe
So that is some basic stuff on trade.
Then there is the continued commentary that Trump sees Canada as a 51st state,
Those words about militarily or economically annexing Canada constitute an unfriendly act, and are a "clear and present danger to the sovereignty of our country."
Then there is the general way USA has treated Ukraine.
Then there is the way the Trump parrots the talking points of Russia.
Then there is the threats to take over Greenland.
Then there is the general stupidity over the Gulf of Mexico
Then there is USA fighting an undeclared war against Venezuela simply because they have oil, and don't want to let American companies have it.
Then there is the general behaviour of USA towards anyone they can get away with harassing.
I’m shocked, shocked! Well not that shocked.
We already have a trade deal with the US. The overwhelming majority of it is duty free, and the effective tariff rate right now is around 6%, lower than any other significant US trading partner. The deal expires July 1, 2036.
The reason why Carney isn’t treating this as some kind of crisis is because it’s not a crisis. Trump hasn’t actually followed through on his massive tariff threats - the “trade war” with Canada was mostly theatre, and most of what Trump says about anything is promptly forgotten as soon as someone jiggles a new set of keys in front of of his face. Quietly accepting the status quo while actively pursuing other partnerships is the right policy.
Ten months ago we were staring down a devastating 10% GDP contraction, now we’re having to listen to mild rhetoric about dairy supply management and liquor sales.
We can live with this.
Great points. No need to rush into a bad deal just for the sake of making a deal.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the 51st state rhetoric I'm not sure the average Canadian would be putting a lot of thought into this at all.
So what's your plan for when the 2026 elections give the GOP more power in the house/senate and Trump gets his third term or Vance/Rubeo/other wins in 2028?
Do you think Canada is going to get a better deal once CUMSA is gone and we're the only global hold out without a trade deal with the states?
No deal is absolutely not better than a bad deal. We need to get our ducks in a row, we need to get businesses to know what the future holds. Sitting in limbo like this is terrible.
I couldn’t disagree more. Trump will be gone sooner than later and we can deal with someone who is more reasonable (a 3 year old on a sugar rush would be more reasonable). Giving large concessions to Trump that could have negative impacts on Canada for decades to come is NOT the smart way to go about things. Much better to wait it out. He can appoint himself president for life, he still can’t beat Father Time.
Why do you think Trump will be gone sooner or later?
Democrats are in total disarray trying to get any kind of feeling on the American public right now. Trump is more popular than Obama or Bush were in their second terms at the same time. Plus none of the economic doomsaying has come to fruition.
Especially if Trump actually does a good boy for once and retires instead of pushing a third term, Vance/whoever can easily say they will drop the unpopular parts of Trump's presidency (annoying twitter messages, tarrifs if they're unpopular, restrictive immigration policy) and keep all the popular parts and easily crush another Kamala swing at the presidency for instance.
Trump is nearly 80 and not a picture of good health. In fact his physical and mental decline even over the last few years has been noticeable. Either way I’m not as optimistic about the chances of the GOP after Trump is gone. He’s poisoned the well too much and there’s no one there that can follow him. Economic doomsday? No, but Trump has not tackled the things he said he would (cost of living, inflation) which is why he’s seeing sagging approval ratings. And the Epstein scandals have caused large cracks in his base. He’s cooked.
So you side step all the other things I said to establish that while Trump might be cooked (I don't really disagree in theory) that a successor can easily take the reigns and bulldoze the democrats in 2028?
We need to be prepared for a very long period of GOP rule, antagonizing future presidents/high admin people just because we don't like Trump is a huge blunder.
I didn’t side step it, I just disagree wholeheartedly with it. I don’t seethe GOP holding power after Trump is gone. And even if they did… do I believe JD Vance would have the same vigor to pursue tariffs and fracture trade deals with the rest of the world? I can’t see it. Trump is the problem and he’ll be gone sooner than later.
But I thought the US wanted to annex Canada and make us the 51st state? Are you saying that there's no long term plan to do this and it's all just the ravings of a madman who couldn't do it at all?
Because if that's your position then we should be insuring ourselves against that only, not saying as the PM has that our relationship with the US is fundamentally changed and will never be the same.
What im saying is that this is Trumps rhetoric. Whether he would or not cannot be predicted, because I can’t rightly say he is above anything. But if Trump were to take a heart attack and die tomorrow (god forbid), I don’t think JD Vance would be continuing Trumps outrageous goals. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
According to Gallup his approval rating as of November was 36%. Obama’s (in the first Nov of his second term) was 41% and Biden’s (in the first Nov of his presidency) was 42%. All this comes as prices rise across their country and jobs report after jobs report is revised down to show loss after loss.
Above you said that the GOP are going to get more power in the midterms. Race to the White House currently has the Democrats favoured to win the house at 62.7%.
Where exactly are you getting your information from?
I'm looking at real clear polling averages: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/trump-obama-bush-second-term
Respectfully, I don't think that the polls over a year out on a midterm election are particularly moving. Democrats are far more likely to say they're going to vote hard D when polled with a Trump presidency.
You can combat my reasoning for thinking that R is going to hold on to both/gain seats.
Trump as established by RCP is more popular than other second term presidents in recent memory (this is most likely a blip because his terms are broken up, but also the sychophantic MAGA voters)
Apart from some economic policy which is unpopular with some of America, a lot of his policy is highly popular (especially with his base). I don't think running on "we'll stop ICE raids" is the winning ticket you might think it is based on where America is.
No economic doomsday is occuring because of Trump's economic policy. Some numbers look a little worse, could be because of the lack of movement from illegals. I think most voting Americans at this point will take that trade-off.
Democrats have absolutely no grasp on where people are in wide America. Zohran can win NY and Newsom can win CA, but where elections are won they've completely lost the plot.
Democrats have no cultural in-reach. They have no leaders, when people do propose policy (like Ezra Klein) they open in-fighting rings. The old guard (Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Bernie) are all aging out of being effective politicians or retiring and there's nobody new who is coming up behind them.
Feel free to combat any point made, but the conclusion that the GOP will continue to dominate comes from my reading of the above points not from polling at the moment.
Well if the comments you're replying to are any indication, the plan is
Also,
We have a deal. It expires in 2036.
It can be torn up with 6 months notice and is up for negotiation this coming year. It's hardly a firm basis to ground our economic policy around.
we should wait for the 2026 elections to be finished. It's looking like the Republicans are going to lose a lot of power. That makes Trump's bargaining position weaker. No deal is better than the bad deal we'd get right now.
The man does everything via executive orders anyway. The only thing the house has actually passed is tax cuts.
but he can only do that because congress is letting him do it, if he loses that then they can tell him no
I’m old enough to remember them calling him King Obama for using EOs.
They also called the EO's illegal
The GOP is definitely not in a great position but I think the dems are in an even worse position than they were last November (and last November was a mess).
We will have to see what happens.
They took the election victories of a month ago and then immediately surrendered on the government shutdown
What a shitshow
Ehhh a couple states are trying to rig the election. I wouldnt count on them losing power.
lol California legit just redistricted
Only in response to Texas doing it.
But they haven’t done it - it got blocked
the supreme court said they could do it
At what point is it rigging if both parties do it. Gerrymandering is a part of US elections and politics...their entire system is broken.
when the first person does it its rigged, any future actions just makes it more rigged
Or they might just take the stick from the GOP and continuing to try to beat us with it.
I know I sound like I gave up and it might be the case.
I just try to keep my expectations in check for now.
no deal is the best deal
Any deal with Trump will be thrown out the window the moment something displeases him anyway. Trump and his entire administrations word is worthless. We should concentrate on making trade agreements with other countries and see how the US is doing after Nov 2026.
Meanwhile the much vaunted "deals" trump made with the UK have gone no where. Those announcements were just not deals just "we will talk about a deal"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c79x54dprngo
Thank goodness the laptop class and boomers can sleep easy now. Mass layoffs at GM and steel factories will start next year now.
Can someone explain to me how Carney is owning Trump ?
Pierre would not have a deal either. The Trump Administration is only interested in a "deal" that massively fucks over Canada. The Canadian GM layoffs are feature of the trade war, according to the Trump administration. They want those factories shut down and rebuilt in the US.
Canada's main leverage is that the trade war also screws Americans, but Trump does not care about the economic damage being done to his own country. He is shamelessly using the tariffs to enrich himself and his friends, abusing the size of the American economy to extort corporations and nations alike.
The short sighted view is to listen to Trump's words (which have about a 40% truth rate) and then expect a real statesman to join in a screaming match with a narcissist.
Yes, USA has taken some first steps.
Canada has also taken some steps.
The dance is long, and your patience seems short.
As a person who tends to vote conservative, I appreciate the tone and the actions our federal government is taking.
Because Carneys slogans are real. He said so himself. Job losses in our major industries are all a part of his 20-d chess that he has refined as a money-man.
Yea I work in the auto sector and we've been laying off a lot of people with more to come next year as they move stuff to the US so like how are we owning Trump ? Maybe someone who works on a laptop for the government thinks we are owning Trump but we are actually losing lol
This is a sad reality of having an unreliable trade partner in both our supply chain, and as a purchaser of our products.
With the way Trumps policies are anti EV we can expect the big American car companies to have trouble over the next few years.
There is no doubt that any country tied to USA will have difficulties in the near future because of their erratic actions.
Trump has effectively doomed the American car companies as soon as this decade. Between his tariff incompetence, and his anti-electric policies they will all ride the last of the ICE demand, while china keeps pushing electric ahead.
Unfortunately that may be our reality, yes. Can I ask, does the US seem to be a good faith partner right now? How much faith would you place in any “deal” that was worked out? For instance, the US and the UK made a “big announcement” about a deal, and now the US wants to change it. So, you know, great deal there. Frankly, I doubt too many people ARE sleeping easy right now, cause these are frankly terrifying times. Like, how can we “keep” GM? More government money? Has that worked? I’m not trying to sound snarky, I am legitimately curious. Personally I’m wondering if the economies of Canada having a car manufacturing sector works. That said, that’s an easy thing to say, but what I’m really talking about is jobs, lives and communities. If car manufacturing goes away, what happens to them? I don’t know. I don’t know what happens as AI continues to strip jobs away from white collar workers like me. Like is your argument that Carney doesn’t want a deal? He’s made a number of concessions already, and they have yielded nothing…
We might be able to have a car manufacturing industry here, but we probably need an actual Canadian company to do it. Clinging to these failing American dinosaurs is a disaster in the making.
And I like that in theory, love it even. I just don’t know what it takes to create a brand new Canadian car company (or level one up if we have it). But even that, well it may off set some losses from “the big three”, it won’t eliminate ALL of them. Maybe we lower tariffs on Chinese EVs, to try to get some manufacturing here (though if they only have access to the Canadian market, I don’t know how well that works either, lol). I guess my big takeaway is, I don’t know how any of this works out. I love the idea of “big nation building projects” but, those take time and negotiations, and people are losing jobs today. Plus, if you worked down at the dodge factory in Windsor I’m not certain how a new energy corridor from Manitoba to BC helps that factory worker…
Who cares.
Better to make no deal than a bad deal that hurts us for decades.
Amazing how some of you would rather we take a deal that would permanently disadvantage us, moving forward.
I’d rather wait until we have someone more reasonable to negotiate with, and whose word will actually be worth something.
So in other words it won’t happen as long as we have this liberal circus running the federal government.
We already have a deal... Trump made it. It's good for another decade. And what good is a new deal with a party will just break it anyhow? Better to just ride out what we have, and wait for America to actually want to negotiate in good faith.
I thought people voted for the carney because “he was uniquely in the position as a expert negotiator to get the best deal with Trump” how soon you forget or leave that behind now that the carney has failed
You think the only way to measure negotiation skills is via speed?
We're dealing with an unreliable 3rd party. One who's word can't be trusted, as evidence by the fact he negotiated and signed CUSMA, and wants to back out of that deal.
Right now, CUSMA is still in effect, the US is mostly following it despite their rhetoric... currently, the best deal on the table, is leaving the one we have on the table. Why would we rush to sign a new deal? The expert play here, is to let the US keep shooting themselves in the foot, and wait until we have more leverage to get a better deal than CUSMA... but if we can't improve on that... why rush into something worse.
Unless you can make a rational argument for why a bad deal now, is better than the status quo or a better deal later?
How about having them try to keep their word. Carney “promised” a deal by July and yet still doesn’t have one in place. The EU and many Asian countries have successfully negotiated trade deals with Trump so “Trump” isn’t the problem here.
What is happening is the liberals want to protect Canadian oligopolies, maintain supply management, and they are refusing to let American companies compete in Canada. These are literally moves that would bring in competition and help lower costs for your average Canadian as well as create new job opportunities. So ask yourself why are the liberals so hard fast against this?
You're missing the point... we HAVE a trade deal that's still in effect. CUSMA.
Which country has a better deal than Canada?
After you find it, explain it.
I'd love to hear it.
And yet, the opposition can’t even seem to run their backroom, let alone a country.
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I think Trump would be quite worn out after years with carney.
Ok but I was promised that if i kept my elbows up carneys master negotiating skills would have had this done months ago..so now its unlikely to happen?? Hmmm. Interesting.
no, no one at any point promised such a thing, Carney ran on signing deals with everyone else which he has succeeded, he also has kept his elbows up and minimized the damage leading to actual growth in areas instead of the expected decline
Carney kept all his promises
You think "elbows up" meant "let's negotiate a deal"?
Carney kept saying he was the only one who could negotiate a deal?
source?
Just to pre-empt , I know exactly how this is going to go. I'm going to give you this list of quotes, you're going to say "he didn't specifically say that he was the only one who could negotiate a deal, therefore you're BTFO". But if we can be real for five seconds and think about these quotes and the totality of the campaign, what was communicated was clear.
In a Liberal leadership debate (reported February/March 2025):
In his Liberal leadership victory speech (March 9, 2025):
During the English-language leaders' debate (April 18, 2025):
in none of those he even saids he plans to negotiate a deal?
how has he failed here? the tariffs are light, the economy is recovering, the states has failed to gain anything, how has he failed to manage this crisis?
largely the same response, trump is trying to harm canadians, how has he succeeded? in what way did carney fail to stop him?
trump has tried to break canada so he can own us, in what ways has carney failed to stand against that? what was he not ready for?
Just goes to show that I can call my shot and hit it.
I bolded the important parts of the quotes to establish that he was positioning himself as "the one" to do this, but if you want to put blinders on, by all means.
im asking you why you think he is not "the one" to do this, in what way did he not live up to those commitments
We don't have a deal with America
He keeps needlessly antagonizing them
He keeps making consessions to America without getting anything back (dropping digital services tax for instance)
we dont need one, the one we have is already protecting us
thats subjective and frankly more than a little biased, making it clear that he can negotiate with us as equals or not at all is not antagonizing
id love to hear other examples?
im not happy he dropped the DST, but it wasnt even something we were collecting yet anyway and was always a stopgap until the global one came in so really it didnt harm canada at all
and to try to get back on point, how has trump harmed canada and why do you feel carney could have stopped it but failed
We already have a deal with America lol
Sure. Has nothing to do with Mike Myers saying "elbows up"
Why did Carney dance throwing his elbows up when he was elected if he also didn't run on "elbows up"? What specific claim are you trying to make?
That you're applying "elbows up" to every single thing Carney does.
Mike Myers said "elbows up" on SNL in regards to Trump saying he was going to make Canada the 51st state.
This is going to sound insane to you, but bear with me.
"You're applying the Nazi salute to every single thing that Hitler did". The Fascists/Nazis used the salute to evoke the feeling of the painting Oath of the Horatii in the populace.
To explain, "Elbows up" is a slogan/meme/action that is entirely synonymous with Mark Carney, in exactly the same way that the Hitler salute is synonymous with Hitler. Trying to seperate them is impossible because they were formed as a way to communicate a basic idea of that political leader and they remain in the populace because of how effective that was.
Saying that Mike Myers said "elbows up" completely misunderstanding the entire political ecosystem. Mike Myers was in ads with Carney saying this, Carney had signs at his rallies with "Elbows Up" he did a very awkward "elbows up" dance when he was elected, he still references it. Pretending that "elbows up" only means "specifically and only being against President-Elect and then President Donald J. Trump's comments about making Canada the 51st state" is so hilariously restrictive that it's meaningless.
Elegantly put.
You got that right. No sense in arguing with an insane person.
2nd mention. A little weird.
Listen, buddy, you can go on and on saying "eLboWs uP, right gUys" whenever Carney does something you don't like.
I'm going to keep on living my life not wanting to be annexed by a foreign country. I prefer to stay Canadian.
That's fine, but is it at all possible to criticize your lord and saviour Mark Carney without hearing "eLboWs uP, rIgHt gUyS"! From all of you sychopantic types?
lol, "lord and saviour"... who's idolizing him? He's just a politician. We're not MAGA.
He ain't my lord and saviour. I'm not the type to believe an ex-investment banker with neo-liberal policies is going to benefit the working class
That promise was never made and if you think it was I'd encourage you to post a link to a news site showing it.
When did anyone say this would be done months ago?
What's a timeline for acceptability here for you?
2026, still no deal, okay? 2027, 2028?
How long is the red carpet that Carney gets to walk before we start judging his lack of performance?
My timeline is, WE ALREADY HAVE A DEAL, CUSMA. So if you can't get a better deal... there's no point. And even if you get a better deal, with Trump's administration, you can't trust they'll honor it... so until such time as they're a rational actor, it doesn't matter.
The current "negotiation" and tactic is getting Trump to just keep going along with CUSMA ... which is working
AFAIK CUSMA can be withdrawn with 6 months notice and there's a mandatory review of the agreement that must take place in 2026.
Pretending this is some stable trade agreement like NAFTA is a mistake.
And they've given no indication of actually withdrawing... the review in 2026 doesn't immediately end it if they don't agree... it actually just stays in effect until they negotiate new terms OR someone provides their notice they're withdrawing...
Until someone triggers that withdrawal, there's no pressure to get a new deal done, as this one is in effect.
So just to establish, your position is:
CUSMA actually can be withdrawn with short notice
The big bad evil US has not currently given indication of this so withdrawal there's no problem
The review doesn't matter
Because of all this there's no pressure to get a new deal done
Do I have that right?
You’re turning procedural facts into a crisis that doesn’t exist. CUSMA can be withdrawn, yes — but it hasn’t been. The 2026 review doesn’t terminate the agreement, it just opens the door to changes. Until someone triggers withdrawal, the deal remains in effect, which is why there’s no artificial deadline forcing a rushed renegotiation.
I'm far from saying there is a current crisis.
I'm saying the potential for a crisis exists and we should be trying to get a deal so that if that crisis were to occur we would be insured from harm.
Do you think that's a bad idea? Especially with how you're already said the US is extremely turbulant and volatile to deal with.
...ok. So you want a deal, to replace a deal, that's currently in effect... because the volatile man that signed the deal might pull our of the deal... but what makes this new fictitious deal any different? The US won't sign a deal that's better for Canada, and worse for them... and they're the ones who pushed for the withdrawal clause, so they'll likely want one in the new deal anyhow.
So all that would change is we have a new deal, that's likely worse for Canada, and still has the same risk of withdrawal as before...
...so what's to be gained here.
You understand that the Trump administration is full of predators who will take full advantage if we try to rush the process, right? We do not currently have enough leverage to force the US to negotiate in good faith.
no one, who is anyone, promised you that.
Carny did. Carneys whole campaign was that he was the only one who could deal with trump and get things done. He has done nothing.
you writing this is not proof
No, the proof is the lack of any accomplishments by Carney or concessions from the U.S.
Maybe you can convince your idol Trump to come back to the negotiating table? Hmmm.
Trump is an idiot. Nice try.
So much for his claim that he’d be the best to negotiate with trump lol
What makes you think this isn’t the ideal. realistic negotiation tactic? Or are you just looking for some kinda childish gotcha? Elbows down right? Some other horseshit so you can cope and pretend that Conservatives would have been more effective.
If this was the only thing he’s failing on I’d give him the benefit of the doubt but since nothing really has changed since the last leader…
So how was this a bad negotiation tactic?
And things have certainly changed even in this short time.
Uhhh, yeah. The only trade deal trump wants is everything Canada has with no concessions on his part. Any deal that is struck isn't worth the paper its printed on. Trump's word is garbage. He can not be reasoned with, trusted or relied upon to live up to his word in any deal or negotiation. Screw him. Canada needs to get more eggs out of the American basket and move on - it'll take time. Till then I will not visit nor purchase American (if I can help it).
So the main thing he campaigned on, he’s been unable to do. Hopefully we resume our normal relationship soon.
I do think it would help if we cleaned up our own issues in Canada first, then came back to the negotiating table in a position of power instead of the current weak position we have now.
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Never did I once say we should take a shit deal, quite the contrary actually.
But have fun running with the narrative you created in your head
This is good news.
The orange "narcissist in chief" needs to be punished by his own people for a while.
They will eventually figure out that tariffs are a tax they pay on products they need.
They will eventually figure out that the jobless rate is growing in spite of trump's claims
We already have a trade deal he is breaching.
There is little point dealing with the Trump administration until the supreme court gets around to dealing with them.
as /u/datums says
Even if USA becomes a stable trade partner in 2029, we can consider increasing our integration with them when we have a better understanding of who they are.
I am hopeful that the 2026 midterm elections will put the republicans in a weak position, and that the SCOTUS will do its job.
Will never happen as long as Trump can’t be trusted to negotiate in good faith. Which he will never do. And even if an agreement is met he will weasel out of it.
Because it all has to fall within the scope of the CUSMA negotiations.
We kind of already have a deal. And, any other deal will not be negotiated in good faith either.
Dozens of countries have made trade deals the past few months. But Carney our amazing 5d chess genius elite banker can't make one. It's almost like he doesn't care while his 91% investments in USA stocks keeps going up.
Carney is definitely playing 12d chess. A true master negotiatior at work
great news, fck amerika
I think its the best thing to happen we were way to reliant on US and now they are very aggressive toward Canada . It's better we turn to Europe ,China,and India. I know there are issues with some of these countries but we will be diversified as a nation and will be better off in the long run . With the US debt and the current leadership we should not tie up to a sinking ship . Just my 2 cents
If the news article are true and the major issue's are only four demands, they arent really asking for alot.
They want to sell their milk without tarriffs, they want to put their booze on our shelves again. They want to remove the news tax, so that everyone can share the news whats going on around the world for free again. As well a find a electrical agreement with alberta supplying northern states.
Is this actually asking for alot?
I mean we are already integrated with our southern neighbors. I dont know anyone who doesnt watch american television for example.
Canada and the state's need each other we have already build networks which both countries depend on.
They already do, those tariffs don't kick in until they've reached a certain amount and then the tariff is based by on any excess of that value. The 270% tariff trump likes to quote has never happened, it's the very upper limit. Trump's lying is apparently effective, because obviously some people don't bother doing research.
Not familiar with that tax, but our media, especially news, is dominated by American right-wing billionaires. I'd rather we didn't make it easier for them to flood us with their propaganda and trash opinion pieces.
There is no doubt in my mind that would end up being a discounted rate for US, like half the trade we do with them already...
That may have been true in the past.
We don't need a cancer and toxic relationships with former friends and former allies and former trusted trade partners.
Do you suggest divorced people get back with their abusive ex?
What have they done to be considered toxic exactly?
Have you lived under a rock the past year?? Or just an America cosplaying as canadian?
No I have not lived under a rock. But as far as Im aware didnt trump start the tarriffs first on stuff not in the north american trade agreement?
Than Carney retaliated by tarriffing stuff that was part of the trade agreement. Which he later removed after studies showed it was hurting canadians?
The buy canadian first policy seemed to be more effective.
Also there's no need to downvote me, i'm simply asking questions to educate myself on whats going on and everyone else's point of views.
The toxicity has very little to do with the tariffs, and everything to with the Maga 51st state rhetoric.
You seriously can't be that oblivious to it all, can you??
I dont follow the news or media im seeing in the article that all they want those 4 things and they seem very minor in the grand scheme of things. But yea the 51st state is bs.
To Canada specifically:
Breaking trade agreements
Threatening economic war
Continual illegal tariffs
Continual meddling with Canada's internal policy (like digital service tax on all digital services where trump wants USA to have an exemption)
Jan. 20, 2025: Trump, speaking after his inauguration as president, says he plans to impose 25 per cent tariffs on Canada and Mexico by Feb. 1.
The official reason for this illegal tariff was to stop fentanyl trafficking, when only 1% comes through northern border and the real problem at the border is the flow of drugs and guns from USA to Canada.
Feb. 1: Trump signs an executive order imposing 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian
Feb. 13: Trump announces 25 per cent tariffs on all foreign steel and aluminum imports
Feb. 21: Trump signs a memorandum to impose tariffs on countries, including Canada, that levy digital service taxes
March 4: Trump’s tariffs on Canada and Mexico go into effect at 12:01 a.m. eastern time, after the U.S. president says not enough has been done to address his concerns about fentanyl.
More lies about fentanyl. 2/3 of illegal drugs coming into Canada are from USA
March 11: Trump says he will increase his steel and aluminum tariffs to 50 per cent on Canadian exports
March 12: Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs go into effect at midnight.
April 2: Trump launches his so-called “reciprocal” tariff policy on nearly all foreign trading partners. His executive order imposes a 10 per cent baseline tariff on all countries and territories
April 3: Trump’s auto tariffs take effect at midnight. Almost immediately, automaker Stellantis announces it is halting production on its Windsor, Ont., manufacturing facility for two weeks, affecting 3,600 jobs.
April 29: Trump signs executive orders he says will give some temporary tariff relief to automakers reliant on North American supply chains and give them time to move their business to the U.S.
This is extortion - Any companies that have cross border agreements are being extorted to close Canadian facilities and move to USA.
May 2: U.S. tariffs on auto parts take effect at midnight, matching the 25 per cent rate set for imported vehicles. General Motors says it is reducing shifts at its Oshawa Assembly plant in Ontario “in light of forecast demand and the evolving trade environment.”
May 5: Trump threatens to impose a 100 per cent tariff on films not made in the U.S., which he says is necessary to bring production back to Hollywood and other American production hubs.
This basically targets Vancouver and Toronto film industries.
Note - the "national defence claim is because that is the only condition that federal tariffs are legally possible. Generally tariffs are controlled by states in USA
June 4: The new 50 per cent steel and aluminum tariff rate takes effect. Carney calls the increase “illegal”
June 27: Trump announces he’s terminating trade talks with Canada “effective immediately”
July 7: Trump says a 50 per cent tariff on all copper imported into the U.S. will take effect Aug. 1, and that he’s planning pharmaceutical tariffs as high as 200 per cent.
July 30: Trump orders the suspension of a “de minimis” exemption that allowed low-value commercial shipments to be shipped to the United States without facing tariffs, effective Aug. 29.
July 31: Trump signs an executive order raising his tariffs on Canada to 35 per cent starting midnight Aug. 1, after a promised trade deal fails to materialize.
Aug. 29: A U.S. appeals court rules Trump’s fentanyl and reciprocal tariffs illegal, upholding the U.S. Court of International Trade ruling from May
Sept. 30: Trump signs a proclamation adding a 10 per cent duty on softwood timber and lumber, and a 25 per cent levy on kitchen cabinets and vanities and other upholstered wooden products
Oct. 23: Trump says he’s terminating all trade negotiations with Canada after the Ontario government airs an anti-tariff TV ad in the U.S. that quotes former U.S. president Ronald Reagan.
That one was particularly spicy for most Canadians.
Oct. 25: Trump threatens to raise tariffs on Canada another 10 per cent because the ad wasn’t pulled sooner. He says trade talks remain off and that he won’t meet with Carney as planned
Nov. 5: The U.S. Supreme Court hears the case on Trump’s use of national emergency powers to impose tariffs. Many of the justices appe
So that is some basic stuff on trade.
Then there is the continued commentary that Trump sees Canada as a 51st state,
Those words about militarily or economically annexing Canada constitute an unfriendly act, and are a "clear and present danger to the sovereignty of our country."
Then there is the general way USA has treated Ukraine.
Then there is the way the Trump parrots the talking points of Russia.
Then there is the threats to take over Greenland.
Then there is the general stupidity over the Gulf of Mexico
Then there is USA fighting an undeclared war against Venezuela simply because they have oil, and don't want to let American companies have it.
Then there is the general behaviour of USA towards anyone they can get away with harassing.
ICE - look at the list of illegal actions of ICE
Customs and border security continues to use their authority in ways it was never intended
USA used to be a friend, military ally and reliable trade partner.
Now it is like a hateful and toxic ex.
There's no point anyway - Trump reneges on trade deals to suit his mood.
Sounds good