The type of inconsiderate person ignoring social convention so flagrantly is not going to acquiesce to a polite request. At best you end up in an unpleasant argument. At worst, you get into a physical altercation.
Didn't someone recently get killed from a punch because he pushed in and the other person told him to get back in line? Unfortunately those things play on my mind for these sort of situations and it's not really worth it if it's the wrong person.
They're not simple if you have a non zero chance of being attacked or worse if you do so. If a person was considerate and normal they wouldn't be doing this, and people have been injured or worse for asking. It's good to try and assert normalcy, but it's also understandable if someone doesn't want to risk physical harm by doing it.
I kinda understand that but I'm a big believer in not ceding society to animals and majority of the time I speak up and people stop being cretins. Same for other people I know in real life I think the whole I'll get stabbed is overblown and used as an excuse tbh
It's also very dependent on where you live in the UK. If you're in a quieter town, village, or "nice" part there's a lot less chance you'll get someone mentally ill or looking for a fight. In the bigger cities that chance is much higher.
If want to be really shocked we rarely to never hear about car collisions. Now go have a look at the injury and KSI states around that.
Also be fair, I wouldn't be just worried about being stabbed. Punched, kicked, or even just harrassed for the duration of the journey pits me off.
But yeah overall I do agree, we do need more people in society to tell these individuals off. We really need to bring a stronger sense of manners, politness, social norms being adhered, respect, and dignity back.
Sure, but people don’t usually deliberately drive their car into a collision where there’s a risk of being seriously injured.
I have been known to tell idiots like this to wind their necks in, and it has maybe a 50/50 chance of embarrassing them into behaving, but if it doesn’t, you need a plan for what you’re going to do next, and the understanding that no plan survives contact with the enemy.
I was thinking of this earlier today as its also relevant to debate about current politics like the two child benefits cap lifting. The one that will ensure the downfall of social order and society in general is when people start deciding we shouldn't do anything because we assume everyone else is a bad faith actor.
Yes, some people in society will take the piss, but I think the biggest problem in the UK is that we've gotten into the habit of assuming everyone else is a bad person by default.
Bet you never played South park episodes through headphones on a packed commuter train, only to be told that Cartmans dialogue about Kyle's mom was actually coming out of the main speaker of the laptop. Oops.
In my experience it’s either a reasonable person who didn’t realise they were bothering others or it’s the explosive crack head where even the sniff of a confrontation sends them into a rage.
Both, I’ve seen a dude with some shitty little Bluetooth speaker blow up on another dude politely asking him to turn it down/off. I’ve seen teenagers threaten to stab someone for the same reason. Some people though just want to be told to turn it off so they can have a confrontation.
Generally though if someone’s playing loud music/ speaking on loudspeaker on public transport they already don’t give a fuck.
The problem is the unknown. After telling him to stop you next wake up in intensive care or if you are particularly unlucky you never wake up at all. It's that unknown
Either you grimace and put up with it, silently tutting.
Or you speak up and the music gets turned off, but risk getting stabbed for the inconvenience.
Muppets with a love of sharing their shit music has been around for decades, which is why I never leave the house without fully charged noise cancelling headphones.
Walk up to them and maintain eye contact, then do your worst dirty dancing' ever....finger in mouth, run it around your man boobs, hip gyration, the works. Pretty sure you will shut that shit down quickly. You're welcome! 😎
That kind of person tends to be unhinged and I don’t blame people for being cautious. A lot of people would be willing to challenge this behaviour if they thought they would get backed up but there’s too many who wouldn’t assist.
Yeah it's not at all. In fairness, someone who has no regard for anyone else by playing that on the train I'm guessing may not politely respond saying sorry they will turn it off.
“Oh! My boombox? Oh my gosh, I’m awfully sorry. SO sorry my dear. I had simply NO idea. Well I must turn it down right away then of course. Right away darling. May I offer you a wine gum? I know it’s not enough but it’s all I have. Thank you SO much for letting me know. I’d hate my boombox to ever disturb anybody. You are an ANGEL”.
Ah winegums, not had those for years. When I was a kid I used to think they had alcohol (wine) in them so bought them when we went to the pantomime. It wasn't the pissup I thought it'd be
Unfortunately that doesn’t always work. I stood up to someone playing loud music but, despite the collective murmurings of displeasure leading up to it, no other passenger was interested in joining me so it ended up in an argument that went nowhere and the music continued.
Thanks - I would do it again I was just surprised nobody else wanted to join me as I expected they would as you originally said. It may well have been circumstantial; another day, different passengers etc. could have seen everyone jump up and agree with me.
What if they stab you seriously there’s some nutters out there if they have no problem in playing music loudly and upsetting others they are I would suspect they are unhinged in some mild or moderate way why take the risk?
Yep, I think many redditors who say things like "just tell them to turn it off" live in quiet villages and not major cities where there are many mentally ill people around
I climbed Crib Goch Ridge up to Snowdon a few years back. It was a beautiful day with stunning views all around, but two scummy road men were up there and had a boombox strapped to back playing the most obnoxious techno music. Completely ruined it for everyone else.
Ha that reminds me of an incident a few years back (OK a good few years back) on the train which was fairly full and there was a young slob playing music on his boombox - one of the old fashioned ones that were popular at the time. Everyone tutting and frowning but doing nothing.
Then one guy got up from the back of the carriage and told the idiot to turn it off. He got told to "Go forth and multiply" or some such. Haha the guy who had told him to turn it off pulled out his wallet and warrant card and explained to the prat that playing instruments etc on the railways was in breach of xyz law and if it was not turned off immediately he would be arrested. Needless to say the rest of the passengers were delighted and the row stopped
Was in the pub last night and some parents were just ignoring their kids sat with phones blasting YouTube kids or Roblox or whatever brainrot on full volume.
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Just tell him to stop. Don’t ask.
The type of inconsiderate person ignoring social convention so flagrantly is not going to acquiesce to a polite request. At best you end up in an unpleasant argument. At worst, you get into a physical altercation.
Didn't someone recently get killed from a punch because he pushed in and the other person told him to get back in line? Unfortunately those things play on my mind for these sort of situations and it's not really worth it if it's the wrong person.
simple problems sometimes have simple solutions
They're not simple if you have a non zero chance of being attacked or worse if you do so. If a person was considerate and normal they wouldn't be doing this, and people have been injured or worse for asking. It's good to try and assert normalcy, but it's also understandable if someone doesn't want to risk physical harm by doing it.
I kinda understand that but I'm a big believer in not ceding society to animals and majority of the time I speak up and people stop being cretins. Same for other people I know in real life I think the whole I'll get stabbed is overblown and used as an excuse tbh
It's also very dependent on where you live in the UK. If you're in a quieter town, village, or "nice" part there's a lot less chance you'll get someone mentally ill or looking for a fight. In the bigger cities that chance is much higher.
It’s “news”. The media are frankly responsible for it.
I’d offer that the number of people who die from MRSA (or similar) per year is higher. Some ~2379 deaths.
From stabbings it’s ~260 or so.
Which statistic is more relevant. We never hear about “super-bugs”.
If want to be really shocked we rarely to never hear about car collisions. Now go have a look at the injury and KSI states around that.
Also be fair, I wouldn't be just worried about being stabbed. Punched, kicked, or even just harrassed for the duration of the journey pits me off.
But yeah overall I do agree, we do need more people in society to tell these individuals off. We really need to bring a stronger sense of manners, politness, social norms being adhered, respect, and dignity back.
Sure, but people don’t usually deliberately drive their car into a collision where there’s a risk of being seriously injured.
I have been known to tell idiots like this to wind their necks in, and it has maybe a 50/50 chance of embarrassing them into behaving, but if it doesn’t, you need a plan for what you’re going to do next, and the understanding that no plan survives contact with the enemy.
You have a non-zero chance of being killed by a rock from space. Where do you draw the line and live a life?
That's why I never go out at night
Do look up.
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Yes, it was a joke
Even cazzier there's a non zero chance of a bird mistaking your bold head for a rock and being killed by a tortoise falling from the sky.
The internal fear people have is shocking.
I can recall playing (loud) D&B into my headphones and a young lady coming over, from a few rows away on the train, and telling me to “turn it down”.
As a civilised human, who TBF was being ignorant, I did as asked. It’s not complicated.
We have social behavioural rules so we don’t end up killing each other.
lot of people aren't civilised though
I was thinking of this earlier today as its also relevant to debate about current politics like the two child benefits cap lifting. The one that will ensure the downfall of social order and society in general is when people start deciding we shouldn't do anything because we assume everyone else is a bad faith actor.
Yes, some people in society will take the piss, but I think the biggest problem in the UK is that we've gotten into the habit of assuming everyone else is a bad person by default.
In general they are.
Yeah, and the ones who are aren't playing music through a boombox
Bet you never played South park episodes through headphones on a packed commuter train, only to be told that Cartmans dialogue about Kyle's mom was actually coming out of the main speaker of the laptop. Oops.
That happened to me, only it was the second Inbetweeners movie and that scene where Jay is raving about how much pussy he's getting in Australia.
In my experience it’s either a reasonable person who didn’t realise they were bothering others or it’s the explosive crack head where even the sniff of a confrontation sends them into a rage.
Honest question. Have you experienced that or perceived they would explode?
Both, I’ve seen a dude with some shitty little Bluetooth speaker blow up on another dude politely asking him to turn it down/off. I’ve seen teenagers threaten to stab someone for the same reason. Some people though just want to be told to turn it off so they can have a confrontation.
Generally though if someone’s playing loud music/ speaking on loudspeaker on public transport they already don’t give a fuck.
Where do you live out of interest? I'm in Birmingham and there's definitely certain types you wouldn't want to confront 😂
Leeds.
It’s not that shocking
The problem is the unknown. After telling him to stop you next wake up in intensive care or if you are particularly unlucky you never wake up at all. It's that unknown
And risk being stabbed in the neck? no chance.
The chances of that are immensely remote. I’d offer BBC News has given their “glass half empty” views that have coloured your opinion.
People are people and want to be accepted in a group. We are herd/pack animals by necessity.
Begin with "oi, prick"
Have you thought of asking if he takes requests?
Obvious example of the bystander effect, because you were in equal position and didn't tell them either.
You could have spoken up.
Either you grimace and put up with it, silently tutting.
Or you speak up and the music gets turned off, but risk getting stabbed for the inconvenience.
Muppets with a love of sharing their shit music has been around for decades, which is why I never leave the house without fully charged noise cancelling headphones.
what if you speak up and they say no?
You also post about that on reddit
You're assuming i give a fuck under my noise cancelling headphones.
what.
I can't hear anything
i literally have no idea why you responded with that comment. shit makes no sense to mine and to your own original comment.
Why speak up when you can just post about it on reddit?
Maybe the boom box person is also on Reddit
Vulcan nerve pinch?
That’ll get you in a spock of bother
I hate you.
Deserves more upvotes
Double dumb ass on you
Walk up to them and maintain eye contact, then do your worst dirty dancing' ever....finger in mouth, run it around your man boobs, hip gyration, the works. Pretty sure you will shut that shit down quickly. You're welcome! 😎
What a day to have eyes.
That kind of person tends to be unhinged and I don’t blame people for being cautious. A lot of people would be willing to challenge this behaviour if they thought they would get backed up but there’s too many who wouldn’t assist.
No one wants to be knifed
That was exactly why I decided to put up with it. Eventually the guard came and told him to turn it right down.
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Are you saying you think it’s perfectly socially acceptable to play a boom box on a train?
Yeah it's not at all. In fairness, someone who has no regard for anyone else by playing that on the train I'm guessing may not politely respond saying sorry they will turn it off.
“Oh! My boombox? Oh my gosh, I’m awfully sorry. SO sorry my dear. I had simply NO idea. Well I must turn it down right away then of course. Right away darling. May I offer you a wine gum? I know it’s not enough but it’s all I have. Thank you SO much for letting me know. I’d hate my boombox to ever disturb anybody. You are an ANGEL”.
Ah winegums, not had those for years. When I was a kid I used to think they had alcohol (wine) in them so bought them when we went to the pantomime. It wasn't the pissup I thought it'd be
Still awesome though
No. I think they’re saying you’re boring for not wanting to be knifed.
Phew!
No one wants to go to the sort of parties you're at !!!
He likes knife parties where they blast out knife party
See if you can connect to it and blast some incredibly inappropriate sounds yourself.
Be the change you want to see.
Have you tried tutting?
Play opera and have a noise war.
We just make a choice:
(A) Confront and risk a disproportionate confrontation/argument/threat/fight/stabbing
(B) Do nothing and tolerate a fairly minor irritation for your journey
It’s the path of least resistance, people understandably want an easy life and the selfish c*nts take advantage of that.
How’s your Vulcan neck pinch?
Join in by dancing erotically to the music.
Be the change you want to see
Play your music really loud. Have a good old fashion sound clash
Did that include you not wanting to tell them?
Next stop, lob it out the door. Hope the doors close when they go and get it.
Just know, mob mentality is a thing. If one of you says something, others will back you.
Unfortunately that doesn’t always work. I stood up to someone playing loud music but, despite the collective murmurings of displeasure leading up to it, no other passenger was interested in joining me so it ended up in an argument that went nowhere and the music continued.
Well done for saying something.
Thanks - I would do it again I was just surprised nobody else wanted to join me as I expected they would as you originally said. It may well have been circumstantial; another day, different passengers etc. could have seen everyone jump up and agree with me.
Are his choices of songs any good?
What if they stab you seriously there’s some nutters out there if they have no problem in playing music loudly and upsetting others they are I would suspect they are unhinged in some mild or moderate way why take the risk?
Yep, I think many redditors who say things like "just tell them to turn it off" live in quiet villages and not major cities where there are many mentally ill people around
Trust me, there are plenty of mentally ill people in my quiet village, the difference is that I know who they are (mostly) and can avoid them
I hope his cassette tape gets mangled
*sitting
Go and chat to a middle aged woman, tell her he is annoying everyone not just her. Then watch her go😀
I climbed Crib Goch Ridge up to Snowdon a few years back. It was a beautiful day with stunning views all around, but two scummy road men were up there and had a boombox strapped to back playing the most obnoxious techno music. Completely ruined it for everyone else.
Ha that reminds me of an incident a few years back (OK a good few years back) on the train which was fairly full and there was a young slob playing music on his boombox - one of the old fashioned ones that were popular at the time. Everyone tutting and frowning but doing nothing.
Then one guy got up from the back of the carriage and told the idiot to turn it off. He got told to "Go forth and multiply" or some such. Haha the guy who had told him to turn it off pulled out his wallet and warrant card and explained to the prat that playing instruments etc on the railways was in breach of xyz law and if it was not turned off immediately he would be arrested. Needless to say the rest of the passengers were delighted and the row stopped
"no one tells him to do one". Including yourself
I’m always nervous to ask them to turn it off cos I’m worried that everyone else secretly enjoys it and it’s just me 😭
No one secretly enjoys that shit
We were/are supposed to know not to do this. Culturally we are now broken.
Was in the pub last night and some parents were just ignoring their kids sat with phones blasting YouTube kids or Roblox or whatever brainrot on full volume.
Including you, who instead of using your voice to tell him to turn it off, ran to reddit to make a post about it.
Just stand up for yourself.
Start playing Gay porn loudly on your phone
Implying he wasn't already?
am i the only one that doesn’t care if someone plays music on the train
You're one of the minority, yes. Headphones aren't exactly expensive.