Fun fact: in Italy we always say "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas" because there's a string of different celebrations from December 24 to January 6
Fun fact: that's exactly where the expression came from in English as well. We've been saying Happy Holidays since at least the first half of the 1800s and it had nothing to do with any holidays other than the ones Christians observed.
The problem in America started when people started saying “it’s disrespectful and short sighted to say Merry Christmas so don’t say that”. If you want to say happy holidays or whatever way you want that’s fine, but when you start calling others ignorant, racist or bigoted for saying it another way, people will understandably feel attacked.
The above is just a strawman fallacy. It's all made up, people don't get offended at "Merry Christmas", they don't call people racist for saying Merry Christmas, no one actually gives a shit.
Its so weird because Christmas has become very much a secular holiday alongside a christian one. I’m wiccan and I have a xmas tree up in my living room right now. A lot of modern christmas traditions originate from different places, some people just like some festive cheer to the dreary winter months.
The “war on christmas” reaction is overblown. Yes, people started saying that “happy holidays” is a better term because it’s more all-encompassing, but I don’t think nearly as many people would get offended by being told merry christmas as people online like to think. Its the most widely celebrated holiday in the usa, even outside of religious reasons
I'm an atheist and I have a Christmas tree and celebrate Christmas. I tell people Merry Christmas like everybody does. And yes the traditions around it are mostly all pagan. Even Christmas caroling is pagan in its roots.
People started saying happy holidays as just another way of talking about all the holidays at the end of the year, but they were referring to the multiple holidays they celebrated. Sure, others could be interpreted to be in there, but that wasn't why people were saying it. They were saying it because of Xmas and the New Year. No one remembers the 12 days of Christmas anymore? That's what it is about, holidays.
You're welcome to show actual proof of a war that doesn't exist too, but it's on you to show me the legions of people out there who are waging this war.
You are asserting that people get upset about merry Christmas. It is up to you to prove it because the inverse is impossible to prove (can’t prove a negative) save for the absence of proof.
So yes, it is on you because you took the position that is capable of falsifying the other position.
It's entirely on you to provide evidence of your wild assertion. The fact you won't means you can't, which makes sense to me that you can't provide any evidence as your alleged war on Christmas doesn't exist. It's made up by people with a victim complex.
But it's not "some Reddit douche". It's the convention of rational discourse that an assertion must be supported by evidence. Of course, people like you have no experience of rational discourse, so therein lies the problem.
This is just not true; it’s not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be but I definitely remember conversations about whether it was appropriate to say Merry Christmas for exactly those reasons. Have whatever opinion you want about it but that definitely happened
lol man im 40 and live in a extremely liberal area. I actually remember when the Xmas corrections started. “Strawman” is my favorite Reddit word. It’s like the — dash in chat GPT. Makes it so easy to know where the regurgitation is coming from.
Never heard it spoken, but I've seen things around my state mentioning the habit. Had a neighbor with an annual decoration "Keep CHRIST in Christmas"
Signs for Bronners Christmas store in Frankenmuth, "Where there's still Christ in Christmas!"
Seen people complaining online about the X, which was the original sign for Christ, when Christians were persecuted and had to keep prayer secret. Then they REALLY bring out the persecution, "We're not keeping silent, we will be acknowledged!" as if most of our holidays don't revolve around Christian traditions.
Again with the “i never experienced it so it doesn’t exist”. Racism must not be real then because I’ve never experienced it so it must not. Real open mind you got there Bud.
For the record, I don’t care anyway anyone says it as long as they aren’t being disrespectful. It’s just sooooo goofy to deny there was ever a movement. If you google “War on Christmas” you can find dozens of articles from reputable sources talking about the subject from 2008-2016.
Again, it's not on me to find these things, it's on you, and I really doubt dozens of them from actual reputable sources exist that show this is an actual real life "problem" that impacts any sizeable amount of the population. I don't care if some random person --who is totally really from America-- said something online that one time and spawned a weeks worth of content for FoxNews and Newsmax. So many people imagine themselves the victim of all things.
You doubt, but you’ll do no research of your own to find out. And if there is proof, it’s probably fake or anecdotal. lol typical Reddit hive mind nonsense. You aren’t a real, or serious adult, I’ll move it along.
Again, I'm not the one making some insane claim, you are. You're the one claiming these things happen. If I was to claim there is a teapot circling the sun between the earth and mars, I can't just say it must exist because you don't have evidence to rule it out. No, I would have to provide evidence. You're just saying a bunch of regurgitated nonsense fallacies bereft of evidence of this actually happening.
Everyone who has ever complained to me about this complains about "having heard" about people doing that, and what they personally have experienced is just someone saying happy holidays instead of merry christmas. just gonna put that out there
It's because that drunk guy posted a picture an AI made of Franklin committing war crimes since he thinks committing war crimes is funny they all think it makes libs cry
As a parent of 3 and 5 year olds I've literally never even heard of Franklin before this past week. I have like a thousand (I may exaggerate, but I may not) children books in this house too
Franklin and Little Bear were wife’s go to shows as a kid and now our toddler’s. Love it more than Max and Ruby as they are softer spoken shows but I fucking hate Ruby holy shit
As an american who grew up on this show, genuinely what accents? do canadians even have accents? they just sound like americans to me with the exception of the words "sorry" and "tomorrow"
I'm 45 with no kids, and I am very aware Franklin exists, but I'm Canadian. I don't think it's a generation thing, I think it's a they showed this shit 50 times a day on Teletoon back in the early 2000s when the CRTC still controlled the airwaves, so you had no choice but acknowledge it's presence thing. The same way you knew all the Canadian shows back in the day because they were always on, lol.
It's not. But like with anything made by someone who is actually creative and has a sliver of empathy, right wing trolls (including those now in charge of our government) take it and co-opt it to spew their bigoted bile to 'own the libz'.
It's amazing, boomers raised millennials but somehow their entire impression of that generation is derived from second hand exaggerations of millennials.
It's always projection isn't it? I know deep lefty liberals and none of them are offended by "Merry Christmas," but the MAGAs I know get really mad at hearing "happy holidays."
The funny part is, thats again projection.
If you replace it with "Happy Hollidays" and replace the women with a conservative its SO much closer to reality.
I find it hilarious to see the whole Christmas faff cause. I'm arguably not really christian but without fail I always dress up in my best to go to church with my mom and bro. Every year. Conservatives would hear me talk and look at me and make the judgement that I'd act like their little sjw strawman but would lose their minds to know I still have a master hymnal that I was gifted as a kid, that I still love and appreciate the community and help that my childhood church provided even if I don't associate myself with Christianity as a whole. I even volunteered to help run services and played in the band for a while. I'd like to see these people find out that church is EXACTLY why I hold such strongly socialist beliefs, because we survived because of the community and I was raised to treat everyone with kindness and respect. Really goes to show just how little of their own book of faith they really read.
I never heard of Franklin the Turtle until I saw the meme that Pete Hesgeth posted of him shooting the boats. I understand that he is a beloved children' book character for a certain generation but to me he is the War Crime Turtle
Even though this is AI slop I find this funny as hell. Idk why, maybe it reminds me of children's "miss drawings" about what their parents do for a living?
Nobody in America is offended by “Merry Christmas” either. As always, this issue is right wing projection: they have meltdowns when people say “happy holidays” because they are mad that it might include other holidays than their own Christmas holiday. Right wingers then try to spin it around by saying that other people are offended by “Merry Christmas.”
I once told a Jewish friend with a Christian wife, "Happy holidays" and some old guy got mad and said "it used to be merry Christmas..." And I told the old guy "he's Jewish, mind your business. "
Also these same people celebrate Christmas eve, Christmas, New Year's Eve, and new years holidays in the span of a week and the entire expression has to do with that since it's hundreds of years old at this point, and yet they are still offended about it.
Fun fact: in Italy we always say "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas" because there's a string of different celebrations from December 24 to January 6
Fun fact: that's exactly where the expression came from in English as well. We've been saying Happy Holidays since at least the first half of the 1800s and it had nothing to do with any holidays other than the ones Christians observed.
The problem in America started when people started saying “it’s disrespectful and short sighted to say Merry Christmas so don’t say that”. If you want to say happy holidays or whatever way you want that’s fine, but when you start calling others ignorant, racist or bigoted for saying it another way, people will understandably feel attacked.
The above is just a strawman fallacy. It's all made up, people don't get offended at "Merry Christmas", they don't call people racist for saying Merry Christmas, no one actually gives a shit.
Its so weird because Christmas has become very much a secular holiday alongside a christian one. I’m wiccan and I have a xmas tree up in my living room right now. A lot of modern christmas traditions originate from different places, some people just like some festive cheer to the dreary winter months.
The “war on christmas” reaction is overblown. Yes, people started saying that “happy holidays” is a better term because it’s more all-encompassing, but I don’t think nearly as many people would get offended by being told merry christmas as people online like to think. Its the most widely celebrated holiday in the usa, even outside of religious reasons
I'm an atheist and I have a Christmas tree and celebrate Christmas. I tell people Merry Christmas like everybody does. And yes the traditions around it are mostly all pagan. Even Christmas caroling is pagan in its roots.
People started saying happy holidays as just another way of talking about all the holidays at the end of the year, but they were referring to the multiple holidays they celebrated. Sure, others could be interpreted to be in there, but that wasn't why people were saying it. They were saying it because of Xmas and the New Year. No one remembers the 12 days of Christmas anymore? That's what it is about, holidays.
Yeah, my Muslim friend likes Christmas too. It has less to do with religion and more to do with family, vacation and eating.
I mean, I do remember that being kind of a thing in the 2000's but that was the last time I can remember saying that.
You’re wrong actually
You're welcome to show actual proof of a war that doesn't exist too, but it's on you to show me the legions of people out there who are waging this war.
Nothings on me lol. Cause you say so?
You are asserting that people get upset about merry Christmas. It is up to you to prove it because the inverse is impossible to prove (can’t prove a negative) save for the absence of proof.
So yes, it is on you because you took the position that is capable of falsifying the other position.
It's entirely on you to provide evidence of your wild assertion. The fact you won't means you can't, which makes sense to me that you can't provide any evidence as your alleged war on Christmas doesn't exist. It's made up by people with a victim complex.
Nothing is entirely “ on me “ because some Reddit douche says so. Fastinserter is probably an incel, so inserting anything is merely a dream
^ Guy who keeps looking for the end of the rainbow to get the leprechaun's pot of gold
But it's not "some Reddit douche". It's the convention of rational discourse that an assertion must be supported by evidence. Of course, people like you have no experience of rational discourse, so therein lies the problem.
This is just not true; it’s not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be but I definitely remember conversations about whether it was appropriate to say Merry Christmas for exactly those reasons. Have whatever opinion you want about it but that definitely happened
Maybe you will be the first person in this thread to make this assertion AND provide evidence for YOUR assertion.
I don’t have documents or tape recorder evidence regarding casual conversations between people from my hometown 15+ years ago lmao
Wow, sounds like a real war on christmas that there's no evidence of it
Get out of my inbox please small-minded man
“Nothing exists unless i believe in it”
lol man im 40 and live in a extremely liberal area. I actually remember when the Xmas corrections started. “Strawman” is my favorite Reddit word. It’s like the — dash in chat GPT. Makes it so easy to know where the regurgitation is coming from.
Okay, well, I'm 42 and I've never heard anyone ever do this, all I hear is people complaining about things that never happened.
It's up to you to show evidence of this and it's prevalence.
Happy Saturnalia! Enjoy your Yule Tree!
Never heard it spoken, but I've seen things around my state mentioning the habit. Had a neighbor with an annual decoration "Keep CHRIST in Christmas"
Signs for Bronners Christmas store in Frankenmuth, "Where there's still Christ in Christmas!"
Seen people complaining online about the X, which was the original sign for Christ, when Christians were persecuted and had to keep prayer secret. Then they REALLY bring out the persecution, "We're not keeping silent, we will be acknowledged!" as if most of our holidays don't revolve around Christian traditions.
Again with the “i never experienced it so it doesn’t exist”. Racism must not be real then because I’ve never experienced it so it must not. Real open mind you got there Bud.
For the record, I don’t care anyway anyone says it as long as they aren’t being disrespectful. It’s just sooooo goofy to deny there was ever a movement. If you google “War on Christmas” you can find dozens of articles from reputable sources talking about the subject from 2008-2016.
Again, it's not on me to find these things, it's on you, and I really doubt dozens of them from actual reputable sources exist that show this is an actual real life "problem" that impacts any sizeable amount of the population. I don't care if some random person --who is totally really from America-- said something online that one time and spawned a weeks worth of content for FoxNews and Newsmax. So many people imagine themselves the victim of all things.
You doubt, but you’ll do no research of your own to find out. And if there is proof, it’s probably fake or anecdotal. lol typical Reddit hive mind nonsense. You aren’t a real, or serious adult, I’ll move it along.
Again, I'm not the one making some insane claim, you are. You're the one claiming these things happen. If I was to claim there is a teapot circling the sun between the earth and mars, I can't just say it must exist because you don't have evidence to rule it out. No, I would have to provide evidence. You're just saying a bunch of regurgitated nonsense fallacies bereft of evidence of this actually happening.
There is no war on Christmas.
Everyone who has ever complained to me about this complains about "having heard" about people doing that, and what they personally have experienced is just someone saying happy holidays instead of merry christmas. just gonna put that out there
Who said that?
Pretty sure it still applies to 99% of countries because of Christmas and new year taking place in the same time frame lmao
In Italy we have Vigilia (Dec. 24), Christmas, Santo Stefano (Dec. 27), New year's eve and Epiphany Eve aka Befana (Jan. 6)
Yeah. It’s white Christian nationalist that don’t want any other celebrations besides theirs to be recognized.
Even though modern Christmas is an amalgamation of holidays.
I didn’t know Franklin was right wing-coded but…okay.
It's because that drunk guy posted a picture an AI made of Franklin committing war crimes since he thinks committing war crimes is funny they all think it makes libs cry
As a parent of 3 and 5 year olds I've literally never even heard of Franklin before this past week. I have like a thousand (I may exaggerate, but I may not) children books in this house too
I think the series was popular in the 90s-00s and sort of became forgotten about over time.
Makes sense then as I'm 42 and I have very young kids
My kids are in their 20's and watched him a LOT. It's a very cute show. And the animals have thick Canadian accents, so not very MAGA of them.
Franklin and Little Bear were wife’s go to shows as a kid and now our toddler’s. Love it more than Max and Ruby as they are softer spoken shows but I fucking hate Ruby holy shit
As an american who grew up on this show, genuinely what accents? do canadians even have accents? they just sound like americans to me with the exception of the words "sorry" and "tomorrow"
I'm 45 with no kids, and I am very aware Franklin exists, but I'm Canadian. I don't think it's a generation thing, I think it's a they showed this shit 50 times a day on Teletoon back in the early 2000s when the CRTC still controlled the airwaves, so you had no choice but acknowledge it's presence thing. The same way you knew all the Canadian shows back in the day because they were always on, lol.
by drunk guy do you mean that murdering drunk guy who bombs boats or...
My daughter (who’s nearing 40) had some Franklin books when she was little.
Im 21 and hes a little older. I remember watching his tv show a looooooong time ago like probably 4-5 yrs old.
Most I've heard about Franklin recently is people comparing one of Beyonce's recent songs to the Franklin theme song.
Its the story of Mitch McConnell's childhood
It's not. But like with anything made by someone who is actually creative and has a sliver of empathy, right wing trolls (including those now in charge of our government) take it and co-opt it to spew their bigoted bile to 'own the libz'.
See also: Pepe the Frog.
Wonder with whoever owns the IP to Franklin is ready to start suing people over this shit
Canadians don't sue, we just boycott.
https://globalnews.ca/video/11555783/hegseths-violent-franklin-the-turtle-post-slammed-by-publisher
It's amazing, boomers raised millennials but somehow their entire impression of that generation is derived from second hand exaggerations of millennials.
r/aislop
Now do “say happy holidays” hypocrites man
https://preview.redd.it/llsyo2nrao5g1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c38718c49170e2a71755cf2a3f89d949119c733
I can make ai images too
It's always projection isn't it? I know deep lefty liberals and none of them are offended by "Merry Christmas," but the MAGAs I know get really mad at hearing "happy holidays."
Franklin will soon find out that his messiah was not a turtle, a fact at odds with his testudo-supremacist ideology.
thanks, i hate everything about this.
The funny part is, thats again projection.
If you replace it with "Happy Hollidays" and replace the women with a conservative its SO much closer to reality.
r/terriblefacebookmemes
I find it hilarious to see the whole Christmas faff cause. I'm arguably not really christian but without fail I always dress up in my best to go to church with my mom and bro. Every year. Conservatives would hear me talk and look at me and make the judgement that I'd act like their little sjw strawman but would lose their minds to know I still have a master hymnal that I was gifted as a kid, that I still love and appreciate the community and help that my childhood church provided even if I don't associate myself with Christianity as a whole. I even volunteered to help run services and played in the band for a while. I'd like to see these people find out that church is EXACTLY why I hold such strongly socialist beliefs, because we survived because of the community and I was raised to treat everyone with kindness and respect. Really goes to show just how little of their own book of faith they really read.
I never heard of Franklin the Turtle until I saw the meme that Pete Hesgeth posted of him shooting the boats. I understand that he is a beloved children' book character for a certain generation but to me he is the War Crime Turtle
isn't he Canadian??
Even though this is AI slop I find this funny as hell. Idk why, maybe it reminds me of children's "miss drawings" about what their parents do for a living?
Why are these people so proud of trying to upset other people?
Why Franklin
Franklin retains the Christmas spirit
She scared of tortoises?
https://preview.redd.it/xn358tzfow5g1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44d631f7a58e357830c53d80fcdde5dfb3848f32
AI piss filter
Brought to you by the cunts that cry persecution if you say Happy Holidays. Sure, Jan.
This is the War. . . on Christmas.
“You’re offended by this term I pretend to be persecuted for”
They can’t fathom that nobody cares, and then throw tantrums when people don’t go along with it
The convention of rational discourse huh? Reread the comments. Not sure you understand what’s going on sweetie
Franklin 👍
Least favorite narrative flip
That's gen z humour
Lol, I love how that woke liberal is all "Noooooooo!"
This is only an American issue. Nobody in the UK is offended by Merry Christmas.
Nobody in America is offended by “Merry Christmas” either. As always, this issue is right wing projection: they have meltdowns when people say “happy holidays” because they are mad that it might include other holidays than their own Christmas holiday. Right wingers then try to spin it around by saying that other people are offended by “Merry Christmas.”
I once told a Jewish friend with a Christian wife, "Happy holidays" and some old guy got mad and said "it used to be merry Christmas..." And I told the old guy "he's Jewish, mind your business. "
Yes exactly
Also these same people celebrate Christmas eve, Christmas, New Year's Eve, and new years holidays in the span of a week and the entire expression has to do with that since it's hundreds of years old at this point, and yet they are still offended about it.
There are Christians who don’t celebrate Christmas, namely Jehovahs Witnesses.
Not yet, bot
Half the subreddits are getting pretty boomer-coded lately.
Based Franklin