It's the episode about "N-Word moments." I think it's also the same one where Stinkmeaner possesses Tom. But in that scene the two people bump into each other and the black guy goes something along the lines of "What do you think you doing man? Get over here so I beat your a**" and the White dude gets angry and then says "Oh wait! I'm White!" And then laughs and walks away.
Insane reading comprehension from OP. "Ah, an opinion I agree with on Reddit! I will take this as gospel and do no further research, even if it's directly below the comment I just saw"
inb4 "It doesn't matter, because their hands are forever tainted by using AI at all, even for a placeholder image that nobody else was supposed to see."
to be fair, using ai at all even just for placeholders still contributes to the damage being done in small communities whose water is being guzzled by data centres and whose utility bills are rising, but it shouldn’t like. Kill the game. The devs should just be mindful, and maybe make shitty MS Paint placeholders for their next game instead.
it’s not just the consumption of water (which even if it uses the same amount of water as any other data centre, it’s a data centre for useless bullshit instead of helpful uses for ai, so it’s a waste for the communities anyway?? hello???), it’s all of the impacts together.
here’s an article for you too, because it discusses the effects that pretty much ANY data centre has. which means building any data centre for speculative bullshit, including frivilous ai generations instead of using specialised types of AI for medicine, causes harm to the people forced to live around them.
I despise AI with all my being, and while I think using AI for even placeholders is bad, as long as it doesn't influence the final game, I won't say they're tainted. Just on watch.
It's free upvotes because "AI bad" appeases the redditard hivemind, no matter what the actual nuance is (I probably gave 5 redditors a heart attack typing out the word "nuance" there.)
(The downvotes indicate that I gave more than 5 redditors a heart attack.)
These are genuinely such bad arguments because , while they give reasons for why E33 is better than a lot of games, they give no reasons for why it should win all the awards over its competitors. Almost all of the other games fulfill these criterias.
It deserved the majority of the awards it got, but theres a few that definitely just felt "this was a good game that fit in that category therefor it wins this category" as opposed to actually being the best fit. For examole, it being the best rpg of the year is questionable imo.
I said in the original thread, imo technical awards are fair game. Just give the genre award to a different game from the goty and then hit the goty with a commemorative plaque of "Is the best rpg technically but we wanted to show recognition to other devs that delivered incredible experiences in the genre".
Award shows are about recognizing the spectacular works of art in the medium at the end of the day. People are not upset at clair obscur for being a good game, but rather than it made the award show not feel like a time to celebrate the achievements of hardworking and talented devs outside the E33 team.
Not that they don't deserve the recognition they got, but no one else got any because of it, even if they deserved it too.
KCD 2 is the perfect example. Goty nominee, stood no chance in any category because it was side by side the actual goty.
same with every single indie game nominated, nothing in best indie game nor debut indie stood a chance because they were against goty. I feel like that would’ve been a perfect opportunity to throw silksong/blue prince/etc a bone but that’s not how these awards work generally
Especially because one of the debut games nominees asked to be removed from the category as they were somebody who had already published games, but made a new game under a different name. IMO E33 having a new studio with industry veterans is kinda the same.
E33 wasnt made by vet devs, it was lead by a few people with experience in game development but most of the team was junior, and it was a debut game fkr the studio.
They still had experience in the industry and were experienced in making games. Juniors go on to be seniors and they had enough experience to be promoted to senior. The creative director had worked at ubisoft from 2017 to 2020, and was an associate producer for division 2. I would hardly call that a junior.
and it was a debut game for the studio.
Doesn't make it a debut game, if they establish a new studio while closing the current one and they make a new game, does that make it a debut game?
The dev for Megabonk also withdrew his potential nomination because he published other games under different names.
Award shows are never about "deserving" or about the art, it's just about marketing.
It's some rich guys looking at trends and saying "hey, look, this is making a lot of money" to other rich guys. And what happens afterwards is that those rich people just fund the laziest most streamlined and superficial imitations of the winning games in hopes of riding the coattails, or end up buying the studio and milking the franchise dry.
Same thing as with movies and even with the nobel prize. In most cases the prize actually ruins or degrades significantly the career of the winners.
I am 50/50 on what you said, yes award shows are corrupted by capitalism just like anything else. However, their original purpose was and still kind of is to recognize incredible achievements that is what people wish to see. TGA are still in a better position than the Oscars which are an actual circlejerk of academy heads that have dogshit opinions and marketing mfs that just want mullah, perfect example being the animation category at the oscars and how utter dogshit it is every year.
TGA have not yet reached that level, and it's part of why people are upset at this. TGA still did a good job for the most part on the recognition aspect most of the years, even if some of the awards were questionable.
This year was just wack cause no one got any recognition outside E33. Which isn't even a bad winner, game is a marvel and deserve the praise honestly, I think it rightfully deserves the technical awards. It just overshadowed other incredible games in a stacked year. Game is an AA game that was partially made as a middle finger to ubisoft, so it isn't about money at the end of the day with this one.
True for the majority of awards, but Steam awards are just built different, the community votes are all that matters.
Games that are not illegible for the awards are also games that would have no chance of winning, either because they don't fit the categories, or have a far too tiny fan base.
I think it didn't deserve Indie GOTY (it's not fucking Indie. It's backed by a second studio and by a massive budget). And I also think that even though E33 was better, KCD2 was the better RPG.
Yeah thats pretty much my thoughts as well. Indie, indie debut, and rpg imo should've gone to something else. Art direction maybe too, but its not like the game looks bad or anything. Just some other games imo had much more impressive visuals.
Admittedly, the game awards have always followed the idea of "this award goes to the best game in this category" rather than "this award goes to the game that did this category best". Because otherwise the folks that need to decide the awards would have to not only play the games, but also actually put some thoughts into the artistic merits of each game. And since all their brain power is going into figuring out how to advertise the next big weirdo waifu gacha slop I understand it'd be a big ask to get them to change.
Kinda true, but it also just kills the need for all of the categories. Because if one is GOTY, it will win in all of the categories it is nominated in. And it will basically win RPG everytime because everything is called an RPG nowadays.
I mean the problem is gaming definitions are some of the most nebulous and the general internet seems to disagree with the way the awards treat certain concepts.
“E33 isn’t indie!”
It’s not done by a mainstream publisher and the artists had a lot of creative freedom, fitting the TGA definition of indie. also claiming it had a big budget and a big team because 400 people are in the credits ignores how Skong and Hades 2 were sequels to INCREDIBLY successful titles which could’ve easily given comparable budgets. Also people say Hollow Knight’s made by a team of three but there’s 100 people in the credits.
“It’s barely even an RPG”
Yeah I’m pretty sure they view that award as “best game that is an rpg,” not “best role playing game” and frankly the definition of the latter would be hilariously nebulous. Technically most multiplayer games give you more freedom to interact with others in the environment than even CRPGs.
I lowkey don't know why the JRPG genre is called like that
I mean, I like them and all but they don't involve roleplaying at all, which you think would be a requirement to be a, y'know, roleplaying game
And that's just in terms of narrative, a lot of them don't even involve any significant build variance which I guess would also be a way of roleplaying in a sense
I haven't played nor watched any gameplay of E33 but I wanted to rant about JRPGs a little bit
it's the building blocks and foundation of the Rpg genre, it's just that the genre has evolved over the years, where originally it just meant that you're put into the role of a fleshed out character with and following their stories, has turned into creating your own characters, making your own choices, and following your own story+the main quest or something.
It's different forms of RPG. The genre originated in tabletops like DnD, and the two separate cultures latched onto different portions of that: Western Culture liked the individualism and choose-your-own-adventure, while Japan had the communal storytelling be the central focus. Hence why you are more likely to have an MC with companions in the west while JRPGs have a party, and if there is an MC, they are likely silent. It's still an RPG, but the escapism is not the central focus.
A more accurate analogy would be Jim Winseverything winning gold in most categories. (E33 didn't literally win every category.) And also silver and bronze don't exist in the olympics anymore.
If The Game Awards gave silver and bronze, the other studios would have won more awards. But they're not the olympics so they don't. All awards are different categories, not different placements.
Surely you're joking right? If I go to the Olympics and I see someone wins pretty much every category, that's impressive and quite cool because it's a test of skill and if "Jimmy John Winseverything" is skilled enough to win in every category then that should be possible.
Like after DreamHack this year there was a fan vote for MVP player of the year for overwatch esports where I ran into a similar problem during my vote. The player of the year (for me) was clearly going to be either LBBD7 or Quartz. Both of them are playing the same role in the same region (EMEA), and their results have been very similar, since the teams they play for have been the two best teams in their region and by the end of the year, both teams dominantly beat the korean teams after a decade of majority korean teams dominating overwatch esports.
If I were to vote Quartz as the player of the year, would I be reasonably able to vote LBBD7 as the EMEA player of the year, since Quartz was also an EMEA player. Or would I be able to vote LBBD7 for hitscan of the year, since Quartz is also a hitscan player. And what about the EMEA hitscan of the year? Their difference in results internationally is very minimal, since both teams beat the korean teams that dominated in the past (Crazy Raccoon and Team Falcon), so for me it really came down to one of them winning 4 different categories, no matter which one I chose to vote for Player of the year.
It might come down to a philosophical question, but I personally have a hard time reasoning why the overall best would not be the best in their categories as well.
But what if E33 was the best game and also had the best score and also had the best art direction and also cast the best actress etc.? You're saying they should be artificially capped from winning a certain amount of awards? That's stupid imo and makes for an artificial competition.
I think they shouldn’t have gotten best Indie. Mind you, I think that the game awards should make “best AA” and give THAT to E33, but I don’t personally consider it Indie.
The backing involved and just the general manpower and quality they can push out from it.
Like, it's quite visible just how much more E33 had compared to Silksong ngl, Silksong looked and felt like an Indie game developed out of the devs own pockets, E33 looks and feels like an AA, dare i say AAA game that the developers are just allowed to make freely.
I didn't say it was, and your second assertion is conclusory. If your award ceremony artificially caps awards or disqualifies games that wins in some categories from being nominated/winning others, then you're just handing out feelgood participation trophies, not real awards recognizing the best in certain categories.
if you think it's a metric of quality you should be even more in favor of capping award count because what about all the other good games? Letting one game take all the awards is the more distortionary outcome there.
Nft and crypto games died like two years ago and never were a major trend. Microtransactions and battle passes only apply to online service games. Im starting to think she has no idea what she's talking about
Honestly I don't really care about the awards section. I almost never agree with the winners. I just wanted to see the new trailers (Mostly I'm just there for Divinity) and the actors and actresses they always have on stage.
However E33 dick riders have been acting up in every single gaming space. All they're doing rn is shitting on other games as if E33 is the only enjoyable game that came out all year. Fanbase is cringe.
ive seen the opposite, most ppl are shitting on E33 just bc their favorite game didn't win
ive seen them say its a industry plant, that they paid off The Game Awards, that its "awardslop" (whatever tf that means), but the worst ive seen E33 fans do is be kinda smug abt their game winning
This is what I've been seeing, which is why I decided to read through comments here to see why. I get the argument and understand the points. I liked E33, imo it was one of the best games I've ever played, but that's because it brought me nostalgia for the old Final Fantasy games before they turned into action games. I didn't watch the award show, but it sounds like they swept the awards like BG3 did the year it came out? Idk, I get why others care, but who wins what awards just aren't that important to me. E33 appealed to a lot of people, like me, but I can definitely see how it doesn't have that indie feel.
honestly the 33 Glazers have always been annoying, the games great but they act like it's the second coming of christ, and it's genuinely crazy annoying.
That's true. They get so loud after game awards it's impossible to ignore them.
I mean I loved BG3 and it's top 5 games of all time for me, but even I got sick of BG3 glazers after it won GOTY. It's just a good time of year to stop talking to gamers for a bit haha.
I personally just don't think it was an indie game, because it had a publishing studio separate from the dev studio. Consequently, winning both best indie and best debut indie is nonsense. Also Sandfall is French and that is a sin I cannot forgive
EDIT: In case it wasn't absolutely clear, I'm referring to Clair Obscura here
Yeah, but I was saying that Clair Obscura wasn't an indie game, and then comedically reinforcing my disgust with Clair obscura by invoking bigotry against the French dev team of Clair Obscura. Silksong is an actual Indie game by an Australian studio, and is only relevant to my initial comment as the main game Clair Obscura is being compared to in the indie game space, as well as the game being glazed like a donut in the juice.
Yeah that was pretty lame too. Sonic definitely should've gotten that one. If Air Riders had released a month or two earlier It should have been a top contender too, but maybe it'll be included in next year's running.
which is super unfair tbh bc it completely eliminates holiday releases from ever being considered, and even games released in November don't really have a shot to be included
The only legitimate complaint about the game here is that it used AI art, which is true, in the sense that a stock art library they were using for placeholders had a single piece of AI art in it. But you want to talk about strawmen...
you're still using the energy-wasting art theft machine even if it's just for placeholders that'll never get seen. personally, I like the rough sketches people use for placeholders, on the rare occasions they see the light of day (either by accident or showing up in betas or early access) it adds a fun bit of whimsy to run into a random lil doodle where the art hasn't been finished.
that being said, if the assets were grabbed from a stock photo library that didn't disclose the images were AI, that's unfortunate but I'm not going to be mad about it.
Yeah, I mean, what is Indie anyway ? Hyperrealistic games made with hundreds of people, under a publisher's umbrella, with a budget on the millions can be considered Indie, so, hell yeah, Valve games are Indie, I guess.
I at least didn't think it deserved best indie, debut, or music. I haven't actually played it, so I can't argue against game of the year itself, but I do wish Silksong won.
also i'd like to see proof on those AI claims, using AI to streamline monotonous tasks is the entire point of it, i highly doubt they used generative AI that stole from other artists.
AI thing isn't true. They only used it as a temporary placeholder. But either way the way more glaring thing is that they just used a bunch of ue5 assets. Art direction is the one category it definitely shouldn't have won. The art was generic and a good amount wasn't even really theirs. Crazy that they won that when Hades 2 and silksong exist.
Agree. I would argue against the art direction award pretty hard. Not only the assets, but the game looks really crunchy and unappealing to me, which is why I didn't end up playing it myself. Plenty of gorgeous games came out this year. E33 was not one.
idk the overall theme and world design was amazing in E33. It has such a unique style and it just oozes charm im not even sure how to describe it.... Existential baroque? The game is actually so beautiful. Skong looks so flat and uninspired in comparison. Although H2 does have a pretty nice aesthetic.
E33 looks like half of all ue5 games lol. Silksong looks uninspired is a crazy take when the only games that resemble it artistically are hollow knight and the games copying hollow knight. If you take a random image from silksong you can instantly tell by the art what series it's from. Same with hades. Hard to do that from ue5 advert the game.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
Basically every ue5 game has the same bland tone mapping and poor lighting. Not even mentioning all the ue5 market assets. The fact you actually think it has some unique style compared to the actually instantly recognizable direction of hades and silksong is crazy. Fuck even death stranding 2 looked better. E33 would've been my second pick for goty but art is not something it excelled at.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
Even if it was, it's still hand-drawn, and far more original and striking than E33 UE5 assets.
I love the fuckin needless and purposefully false wording of this. "It's hand drawn, so that's an... inherent??? Plus???? Somehow???? And then also, the other video game was made... in an engine!!!!!"
Like imagine being like "yeah well expedition 33's art was all hand drawn and hand modeled. Much better than that unity silksong" what the fuck are you on about. Shut up.
God why is everyone just "Meh meh meh meh" about this. Heres an idea: if you don't set your expectations too high on awards that everyone agrees is stupid rigged bullshit... theres no reason to whine and cry and point fingers every 12 months when the game you like doesn't win :)
Yeah theres definitely stuff worth critiquing about both of these games and the game awards themselves (especially with the last of us a couple years back, what can be considered indie, etc.), but why do these debates have to be so goddamn annoying and toxic and exhausting. Silksong fandom is a prison... (a slab if u will)
This. It's not that big a deal but everyone is such sore losers and especially sore winners. I didn't give a crap what won really, but E33 fans going around trashing everything else and being annoying has made everyone grumpy.
I think I made like 2 posts saying the fans are annoying, and 1 post saying the art is not that great compared to other games. I'm not disputing if it should have won game of the year, since it was obviously influential for many.
Overall it's not a big deal, though. I'm not making it a war like other people.
If 3=dozens for you then I guess pop off, but also stay in school.
Tl;dr: The Game Awards are an awards show. Shows care about ratings more than anything else. It's basically reality tv with an imdb category.
Haven't played E33 myself. I agree there were a few categories it was in that it shouldn't have been. But it doesn't matter. This is something that's been going on for years.
TGA always has to put at least one game in every year that gets nominated for every category under the sun because it gets them ratings. It gets fans of every other game to go crazy trying to outvote it, and every fan of that game, and every less dedicated person voting, to vote for it because "a game in many categories must be the best", and everyone loves something that sweeps up entire awards shows.
Sometimes, they do this with 2 games. Like with GoWR and Elden Ring in 2022. But it's still something that happens every year.
Its always complaining about the game that won and who didnt win and never that the game awards are fucking useless and have been for the past decade. Its just a machine to pump ads which doing shady shit in the background. Do I care E33 won? No, I liked the game (sucks that the far right in France loves it too.) Do I care that Silk Song lost? No, I didnt like it and didnt think it was good imo because thats what really matters, personal opinions. Who gives a shit what some board of people said is the best game. The over reliance on TGA to brand quality is ruining gaming.
After the worst game of the year won GOTY I don't think I've seen a single person give a real fuck about it unless there is an announcement. E3 2 electric Boogaloo
All award shows are bribed, it is an undeniable fact of the industry. There just happens to be a semi-corrolation between better games having an incentive to spend more on bribes to raise their chances at wins.
The TGA where TLOU2 (2/10 game btw) not only won, but had an insane sweep showed that they had little integrity to even PRETEND like bribes weren't a factor like most award shows (like the prior TGAs) at least make an attempt at.
It opened a lot of people's eyes and broke the illusion that awards shows literally rely upon for any form of prestige. It's an illusion, where even if you know that every award show is filled to the brim with bribes, you'd still often cared about the results because it was nice. But saying a game is on the same level as a momentarily failure of game design and storytelling really shatters that illusion.
This isn't "critics disagreed with a thing you dislike" (as much as you'd like to invalidate a judgment) this is simply a statement of fact that TGA have a drastically lowered amount of prestige in the eyes of many gamers after letting an objectively horribly written and poorly designed game get so much.
The Exp33 siuation is so weird, it's the absolute GOTY in my opinion and that's coming from someone who's been waiting for Skong for so darn long. Yes it's a pity Silksong got thrown into the shadows but EXP absolutely deserves the hype and praise. It's fine to be sad or frustrated for Silksong but hating on EXP33 because it was the (in my opinion) better game is stupid. The grammy's are just ass at categorizing games.
I love how people are hating on this masterpiece of a game because of tga
Guys remember. TGA is based on VOTES. That means tje game is really that good. Maybe it should not have been in the indie categories but it’s honestly childish to say « muuuh game won so game bad »
I’ve seen gameplay of it and tbh it really looks like the type of game for someone who needs near constant stimulation to stay engaged with something, and overhyped.
Like, genuinely who wants to have the enemy enshrouded in damage numbers every time you hit it, half the screen literally covered up in buffs that pop up from your character icons EVERY time your character attacks or even starts battle?
Oh yeah, why on earth would i want to know how well my characters perform against the enemies and which of my party's stats and abilities are strengthened based on visual input?
Yeah dude sure, but it reaches a point where it’s too much, the gameplay I saw, no exaggeration, just had 50 little text boxes pop up off the character icon and just go up all the way off the fuckin screen, this happened 3 times for 3 different characters, and half of the screen was just a wall of different shit that activated just from attacking, then all the damage numbers that popped up were so huge they completely obscured the weird ass candy enemy he was fighting, the game looks like those old “what if EA owned [insert IP]” memes, because the screen is cluttered with shit.
Enjoy whatever you want, and I won’t continue to tuck someone else’s yum, but all this bullshit abt “IT DESERVED EVERY AWARD IT GOT” is exactly that, bullshit.
Dude you've just seen post-game crazy builds. The game's super readable the whole way through until the very end when they kinda let you go crazy and break the combat system.
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This fits so well with the origami scene. Lol.
What did the Omae wo ma, shinderu scene say?
It's the episode about "N-Word moments." I think it's also the same one where Stinkmeaner possesses Tom. But in that scene the two people bump into each other and the black guy goes something along the lines of "What do you think you doing man? Get over here so I beat your a**" and the White dude gets angry and then says "Oh wait! I'm White!" And then laughs and walks away.
Lmfao I don't even care about the game awards
Is that a jollyifyed steel kingdom member
Yes!
I only care about it to get a heads up on any potential good games comjng up honestly
It's so bad that gaming discourse online these days has been reduced to this
Obscur https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/IzLtY6ojba
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Wait they're saying no ai, you're saying ai was used in production, what's the truth?
There was AI placeholders that were removed in a very early patch
Just a little shrimp
it's all i will ever be
But I'm happy knowing that I will be okay
maybe one day
something will change
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Look at the reply to that comment
Insane reading comprehension from OP. "Ah, an opinion I agree with on Reddit! I will take this as gospel and do no further research, even if it's directly below the comment I just saw"
they are still right in every other count, aren't they?
inb4 "It doesn't matter, because their hands are forever tainted by using AI at all, even for a placeholder image that nobody else was supposed to see."
to be fair, using ai at all even just for placeholders still contributes to the damage being done in small communities whose water is being guzzled by data centres and whose utility bills are rising, but it shouldn’t like. Kill the game. The devs should just be mindful, and maybe make shitty MS Paint placeholders for their next game instead.
Hi, issues with AI’s water consumption are very often exaggerated to absurd degrees. See this article.
it’s not just the consumption of water (which even if it uses the same amount of water as any other data centre, it’s a data centre for useless bullshit instead of helpful uses for ai, so it’s a waste for the communities anyway?? hello???), it’s all of the impacts together.
here’s an article for you too, because it discusses the effects that pretty much ANY data centre has. which means building any data centre for speculative bullshit, including frivilous ai generations instead of using specialised types of AI for medicine, causes harm to the people forced to live around them.
I despise AI with all my being, and while I think using AI for even placeholders is bad, as long as it doesn't influence the final game, I won't say they're tainted. Just on watch.
It's free upvotes because "AI bad" appeases the redditard hivemind, no matter what the actual nuance is (I probably gave 5 redditors a heart attack typing out the word "nuance" there.)
(The downvotes indicate that I gave more than 5 redditors a heart attack.)
Holy fuck I'm dumb as shit
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literal nothingburger
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I'm surprised they were able to draw so well with Sandfall's dick in their mouth (I like the game but this is insane levels of glaze)
These are genuinely such bad arguments because , while they give reasons for why E33 is better than a lot of games, they give no reasons for why it should win all the awards over its competitors. Almost all of the other games fulfill these criterias.
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It deserved the majority of the awards it got, but theres a few that definitely just felt "this was a good game that fit in that category therefor it wins this category" as opposed to actually being the best fit. For examole, it being the best rpg of the year is questionable imo.
I said in the original thread, imo technical awards are fair game. Just give the genre award to a different game from the goty and then hit the goty with a commemorative plaque of "Is the best rpg technically but we wanted to show recognition to other devs that delivered incredible experiences in the genre".
Award shows are about recognizing the spectacular works of art in the medium at the end of the day. People are not upset at clair obscur for being a good game, but rather than it made the award show not feel like a time to celebrate the achievements of hardworking and talented devs outside the E33 team.
Not that they don't deserve the recognition they got, but no one else got any because of it, even if they deserved it too.
KCD 2 is the perfect example. Goty nominee, stood no chance in any category because it was side by side the actual goty.
same with every single indie game nominated, nothing in best indie game nor debut indie stood a chance because they were against goty. I feel like that would’ve been a perfect opportunity to throw silksong/blue prince/etc a bone but that’s not how these awards work generally
Honestly, the debut award is the one I am most bitter about. E33 was made by veterans it is not a debut game
Especially because one of the debut games nominees asked to be removed from the category as they were somebody who had already published games, but made a new game under a different name. IMO E33 having a new studio with industry veterans is kinda the same.
yeah and blue prince deserved that award so fucking hard it’s crazy
E33 wasnt made by vet devs, it was lead by a few people with experience in game development but most of the team was junior, and it was a debut game fkr the studio.
They still had experience in the industry and were experienced in making games. Juniors go on to be seniors and they had enough experience to be promoted to senior. The creative director had worked at ubisoft from 2017 to 2020, and was an associate producer for division 2. I would hardly call that a junior.
Doesn't make it a debut game, if they establish a new studio while closing the current one and they make a new game, does that make it a debut game?
The dev for Megabonk also withdrew his potential nomination because he published other games under different names.
Award shows are never about "deserving" or about the art, it's just about marketing.
It's some rich guys looking at trends and saying "hey, look, this is making a lot of money" to other rich guys. And what happens afterwards is that those rich people just fund the laziest most streamlined and superficial imitations of the winning games in hopes of riding the coattails, or end up buying the studio and milking the franchise dry.
Same thing as with movies and even with the nobel prize. In most cases the prize actually ruins or degrades significantly the career of the winners.
If it was about miney Nintendo games would be winning every year, e33 is a aa game with no big companies backing it up
I am 50/50 on what you said, yes award shows are corrupted by capitalism just like anything else. However, their original purpose was and still kind of is to recognize incredible achievements that is what people wish to see. TGA are still in a better position than the Oscars which are an actual circlejerk of academy heads that have dogshit opinions and marketing mfs that just want mullah, perfect example being the animation category at the oscars and how utter dogshit it is every year.
TGA have not yet reached that level, and it's part of why people are upset at this. TGA still did a good job for the most part on the recognition aspect most of the years, even if some of the awards were questionable.
This year was just wack cause no one got any recognition outside E33. Which isn't even a bad winner, game is a marvel and deserve the praise honestly, I think it rightfully deserves the technical awards. It just overshadowed other incredible games in a stacked year. Game is an AA game that was partially made as a middle finger to ubisoft, so it isn't about money at the end of the day with this one.
True for the majority of awards, but Steam awards are just built different, the community votes are all that matters.
Games that are not illegible for the awards are also games that would have no chance of winning, either because they don't fit the categories, or have a far too tiny fan base.
I think it didn't deserve Indie GOTY (it's not fucking Indie. It's backed by a second studio and by a massive budget). And I also think that even though E33 was better, KCD2 was the better RPG.
Yeah thats pretty much my thoughts as well. Indie, indie debut, and rpg imo should've gone to something else. Art direction maybe too, but its not like the game looks bad or anything. Just some other games imo had much more impressive visuals.
Admittedly, the game awards have always followed the idea of "this award goes to the best game in this category" rather than "this award goes to the game that did this category best". Because otherwise the folks that need to decide the awards would have to not only play the games, but also actually put some thoughts into the artistic merits of each game. And since all their brain power is going into figuring out how to advertise the next big weirdo waifu gacha slop I understand it'd be a big ask to get them to change.
Kinda true, but it also just kills the need for all of the categories. Because if one is GOTY, it will win in all of the categories it is nominated in. And it will basically win RPG everytime because everything is called an RPG nowadays.
I mean the problem is gaming definitions are some of the most nebulous and the general internet seems to disagree with the way the awards treat certain concepts.
“E33 isn’t indie!”
It’s not done by a mainstream publisher and the artists had a lot of creative freedom, fitting the TGA definition of indie. also claiming it had a big budget and a big team because 400 people are in the credits ignores how Skong and Hades 2 were sequels to INCREDIBLY successful titles which could’ve easily given comparable budgets. Also people say Hollow Knight’s made by a team of three but there’s 100 people in the credits.
“It’s barely even an RPG”
Yeah I’m pretty sure they view that award as “best game that is an rpg,” not “best role playing game” and frankly the definition of the latter would be hilariously nebulous. Technically most multiplayer games give you more freedom to interact with others in the environment than even CRPGs.
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It might be the best game that's an rpg, but I dont think it's the best at being an rpg.
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I lowkey don't know why the JRPG genre is called like that
I mean, I like them and all but they don't involve roleplaying at all, which you think would be a requirement to be a, y'know, roleplaying game
And that's just in terms of narrative, a lot of them don't even involve any significant build variance which I guess would also be a way of roleplaying in a sense
I haven't played nor watched any gameplay of E33 but I wanted to rant about JRPGs a little bit
it's the building blocks and foundation of the Rpg genre, it's just that the genre has evolved over the years, where originally it just meant that you're put into the role of a fleshed out character with and following their stories, has turned into creating your own characters, making your own choices, and following your own story+the main quest or something.
It's different forms of RPG. The genre originated in tabletops like DnD, and the two separate cultures latched onto different portions of that: Western Culture liked the individualism and choose-your-own-adventure, while Japan had the communal storytelling be the central focus. Hence why you are more likely to have an MC with companions in the west while JRPGs have a party, and if there is an MC, they are likely silent. It's still an RPG, but the escapism is not the central focus.
This "comic" should have been a text post.
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I mean, if one guy really was able to win every category, I feel like that would be an even bigger spectacle honestly.
They'd be the Flute Guy of Olympics
So basically Michael Phelps? Cause people were pretty stoked on that.
A more accurate analogy would be Jim Winseverything winning gold in most categories. (E33 didn't literally win every category.) And also silver and bronze don't exist in the olympics anymore.
If The Game Awards gave silver and bronze, the other studios would have won more awards. But they're not the olympics so they don't. All awards are different categories, not different placements.
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Surely you're joking right? If I go to the Olympics and I see someone wins pretty much every category, that's impressive and quite cool because it's a test of skill and if "Jimmy John Winseverything" is skilled enough to win in every category then that should be possible.
if Johnny is that good at that many things then yes he deserves to win all of that. This analogy has made me less on your side than I was before.
If johnny isn’t actually that good at that many things then they dont deserve to win all of that
he just won gold, silver, and bronze in every olympic category, your what if is already impossible.
"he won this" "well what if he didnt, then he wouldnt deserve it"
yeah no shit but he did win
What did you even read my comment i didnt even say anything close to that.
yes, you did."if Johnny isn't good at that many things." is exactly that.
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Ok but if Johnny was way better at way more things they would deserve to win more.
But he isnt
If they earn the reward for every category, they deserve the reward for every category
I feel like you're thinking too hard about it.
Like after DreamHack this year there was a fan vote for MVP player of the year for overwatch esports where I ran into a similar problem during my vote. The player of the year (for me) was clearly going to be either LBBD7 or Quartz. Both of them are playing the same role in the same region (EMEA), and their results have been very similar, since the teams they play for have been the two best teams in their region and by the end of the year, both teams dominantly beat the korean teams after a decade of majority korean teams dominating overwatch esports.
If I were to vote Quartz as the player of the year, would I be reasonably able to vote LBBD7 as the EMEA player of the year, since Quartz was also an EMEA player. Or would I be able to vote LBBD7 for hitscan of the year, since Quartz is also a hitscan player. And what about the EMEA hitscan of the year? Their difference in results internationally is very minimal, since both teams beat the korean teams that dominated in the past (Crazy Raccoon and Team Falcon), so for me it really came down to one of them winning 4 different categories, no matter which one I chose to vote for Player of the year.
It might come down to a philosophical question, but I personally have a hard time reasoning why the overall best would not be the best in their categories as well.
But what if E33 was the best game and also had the best score and also had the best art direction and also cast the best actress etc.? You're saying they should be artificially capped from winning a certain amount of awards? That's stupid imo and makes for an artificial competition.
I think they shouldn’t have gotten best Indie. Mind you, I think that the game awards should make “best AA” and give THAT to E33, but I don’t personally consider it Indie.
What's the difference between Indie and Double A? The people involved?
The backing involved and just the general manpower and quality they can push out from it.
Like, it's quite visible just how much more E33 had compared to Silksong ngl, Silksong looked and felt like an Indie game developed out of the devs own pockets, E33 looks and feels like an AA, dare i say AAA game that the developers are just allowed to make freely.
The game had $10m in funding and was subsidized by the French government it is nowhere NEAR being indie
'number of awards won' is not an objective metric of quality, and it's better for the industry to have a larger spread of award winners.
I didn't say it was, and your second assertion is conclusory. If your award ceremony artificially caps awards or disqualifies games that wins in some categories from being nominated/winning others, then you're just handing out feelgood participation trophies, not real awards recognizing the best in certain categories.
It not being an objective metric doesnt not make it a metric
if you think it's a metric of quality you should be even more in favor of capping award count because what about all the other good games? Letting one game take all the awards is the more distortionary outcome there.
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If one guy could win every Olympic event, that would be infinitely more interesting than any standard Olympic games.
You do know some of the most famous Olympic athletes did just that in their sports right?
Except all of these apply to BG3, which won GOTY, and didn’t win nearly this amount of awards in its year.
Nft and crypto games died like two years ago and never were a major trend. Microtransactions and battle passes only apply to online service games. Im starting to think she has no idea what she's talking about
I don't think she plays a lot of games.
The vast majority of games release reasonably priced, in a functional state and did not go through development hell.
Sir this is bonehurtingjuice not butthurtingjuice which seems to be what you are experiencing.
"Price capped at 50 euros" but its regional pricing is ass
Sorry doesn’t silk song fit basically all of these
We have the Obscur, but where is the Clair?
Has this person never seen an awards show before? Sweeps are fairly common
I am certainly sad that Skong didn't receive more but we'll get over it, it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things imo
Honestly I don't really care about the awards section. I almost never agree with the winners. I just wanted to see the new trailers (Mostly I'm just there for Divinity) and the actors and actresses they always have on stage.
However E33 dick riders have been acting up in every single gaming space. All they're doing rn is shitting on other games as if E33 is the only enjoyable game that came out all year. Fanbase is cringe.
ive seen the opposite, most ppl are shitting on E33 just bc their favorite game didn't win
ive seen them say its a industry plant, that they paid off The Game Awards, that its "awardslop" (whatever tf that means), but the worst ive seen E33 fans do is be kinda smug abt their game winning
This is what I've been seeing, which is why I decided to read through comments here to see why. I get the argument and understand the points. I liked E33, imo it was one of the best games I've ever played, but that's because it brought me nostalgia for the old Final Fantasy games before they turned into action games. I didn't watch the award show, but it sounds like they swept the awards like BG3 did the year it came out? Idk, I get why others care, but who wins what awards just aren't that important to me. E33 appealed to a lot of people, like me, but I can definitely see how it doesn't have that indie feel.
honestly the 33 Glazers have always been annoying, the games great but they act like it's the second coming of christ, and it's genuinely crazy annoying.
That's true. They get so loud after game awards it's impossible to ignore them.
I mean I loved BG3 and it's top 5 games of all time for me, but even I got sick of BG3 glazers after it won GOTY. It's just a good time of year to stop talking to gamers for a bit haha.
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I personally just don't think it was an indie game, because it had a publishing studio separate from the dev studio. Consequently, winning both best indie and best debut indie is nonsense. Also Sandfall is French and that is a sin I cannot forgive EDIT: In case it wasn't absolutely clear, I'm referring to Clair Obscura here
Team Cherry is Australian though
I was talking about Clair Obscura, my b
Yeah but in a thing comparing it to Silksong
Yeah, but I was saying that Clair Obscura wasn't an indie game, and then comedically reinforcing my disgust with Clair obscura by invoking bigotry against the French dev team of Clair Obscura. Silksong is an actual Indie game by an Australian studio, and is only relevant to my initial comment as the main game Clair Obscura is being compared to in the indie game space, as well as the game being glazed like a donut in the juice.
Mario Kart won
Yeah that was pretty lame too. Sonic definitely should've gotten that one. If Air Riders had released a month or two earlier It should have been a top contender too, but maybe it'll be included in next year's running.
TGA seems to be allergic to things that came out the previous calendar year.
Sonic 3 should have won best adaption but it wasn't even nominated. They even promoted it last year!
which is super unfair tbh bc it completely eliminates holiday releases from ever being considered, and even games released in November don't really have a shot to be included
Well, that was quick
I don't understand a single word of this post
That's pretty much the goal, yeah. The BHJ is that Brown wants Pink angry so they can get some of that nice hate boner in their g spot
There was a video game award thing recently. A game won prizes (multiple).
People got personally offended that different games (most of which also won a prize (singular)) didn't win prizes (multiple).
And then people got personally offended at the people claiming this video game didn't deserve to win prizes (multiple).
Standard video game discussions on Reddit.
The only legitimate complaint about the game here is that it used AI art, which is true, in the sense that a stock art library they were using for placeholders had a single piece of AI art in it. But you want to talk about strawmen...
I don't see a problem in using AI for concepts or placeholders, as long as they don't make it to the final release.
Previously, we had lots of rough sketches that were never meant to be seen, using AI to streamline that process sounds like a very good use to me.
you're still using the energy-wasting art theft machine even if it's just for placeholders that'll never get seen. personally, I like the rough sketches people use for placeholders, on the rare occasions they see the light of day (either by accident or showing up in betas or early access) it adds a fun bit of whimsy to run into a random lil doodle where the art hasn't been finished.
that being said, if the assets were grabbed from a stock photo library that didn't disclose the images were AI, that's unfortunate but I'm not going to be mad about it.
the brown character did ask for a strawman
Half-Life 3 will be GOTY 2028
It will also be Best Indie GOTY 2028
Debut indie too, never heard of this valve
Yeah, I mean, what is Indie anyway ? Hyperrealistic games made with hundreds of people, under a publisher's umbrella, with a budget on the millions can be considered Indie, so, hell yeah, Valve games are Indie, I guess.
Ngl I was more disappointed Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 didn’t win any awards
Robbed of the roleplaying category fr.
(I say this as someone that did not play for more than 2 hours)
This discourse is so obnoxious and pointless
Incomprehensible
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I don’t care.
I at least didn't think it deserved best indie, debut, or music. I haven't actually played it, so I can't argue against game of the year itself, but I do wish Silksong won.
The music is really good imo, but it's probably taste based a bit.
didn't deserve best art direction either
It did over Silksong
oh it definitely deserve best music imo, but yesh Indie and Indie Debut, they barely even fit in those categories.
Did they even use AI? I never heard of it for months and now I suddenly see a random reddit comment and suddenly it is here again
They did as a placeholder at some point but replaced it with real art later
Okay, so then that's not real argument
I love making up bad talking points to put games you haven't played down, it's my favorite
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better art....?
also i'd like to see proof on those AI claims, using AI to streamline monotonous tasks is the entire point of it, i highly doubt they used generative AI that stole from other artists.
AI thing isn't true. They only used it as a temporary placeholder. But either way the way more glaring thing is that they just used a bunch of ue5 assets. Art direction is the one category it definitely shouldn't have won. The art was generic and a good amount wasn't even really theirs. Crazy that they won that when Hades 2 and silksong exist.
Agree. I would argue against the art direction award pretty hard. Not only the assets, but the game looks really crunchy and unappealing to me, which is why I didn't end up playing it myself. Plenty of gorgeous games came out this year. E33 was not one.
idk the overall theme and world design was amazing in E33. It has such a unique style and it just oozes charm im not even sure how to describe it.... Existential baroque? The game is actually so beautiful. Skong looks so flat and uninspired in comparison. Although H2 does have a pretty nice aesthetic.
3D GrAphIcS GuD
Your eyes are broken.
E33 looks like half of all ue5 games lol. Silksong looks uninspired is a crazy take when the only games that resemble it artistically are hollow knight and the games copying hollow knight. If you take a random image from silksong you can instantly tell by the art what series it's from. Same with hades. Hard to do that from ue5 advert the game.
gimme a single game that looks like E33 lmao. Ill wait.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
Basically every ue5 game has the same bland tone mapping and poor lighting. Not even mentioning all the ue5 market assets. The fact you actually think it has some unique style compared to the actually instantly recognizable direction of hades and silksong is crazy. Fuck even death stranding 2 looked better. E33 would've been my second pick for goty but art is not something it excelled at.
So you don't have an answer to a game that would confuse people so you're just going to say something meaningless
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
You mean the game that looks exactly like the last game in the series
And that's somehow worse than looking like an asset rip?
still waiting for a single game that looks ANYTHING like e33 lol.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
So name some. Titles, specifically.
It looks like the UE5 engine showcase. That doesn't mean it looks bad, but when they are using assets they didn't create and a style that is all too common, winning best art direction is crazy. Especially going up against a game with entirely hand drawn assets and an incredibly recognizable style.
All too common to the point that you STILL cant list a title of a single game that it looks like
Silksong is just Hollow Knight art
I wonder why the game in the same series made by the same devs looks like the game it’s a sequel to
It's not.
Even if it was, it's still hand-drawn, and far more original and striking than E33 UE5 assets.
It's not.
It is
I love the fuckin needless and purposefully false wording of this. "It's hand drawn, so that's an... inherent??? Plus???? Somehow???? And then also, the other video game was made... in an engine!!!!!"
Like imagine being like "yeah well expedition 33's art was all hand drawn and hand modeled. Much better than that unity silksong" what the fuck are you on about. Shut up.
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And hollow knight art deserves more recognition
God why is everyone just "Meh meh meh meh" about this. Heres an idea: if you don't set your expectations too high on awards that everyone agrees is stupid rigged bullshit... theres no reason to whine and cry and point fingers every 12 months when the game you like doesn't win :)
Yeah theres definitely stuff worth critiquing about both of these games and the game awards themselves (especially with the last of us a couple years back, what can be considered indie, etc.), but why do these debates have to be so goddamn annoying and toxic and exhausting. Silksong fandom is a prison... (a slab if u will)
This. It's not that big a deal but everyone is such sore losers and especially sore winners. I didn't give a crap what won really, but E33 fans going around trashing everything else and being annoying has made everyone grumpy.
You don't give a crap what won, yet you are making dozens of posts complaining about who won...
I think I made like 2 posts saying the fans are annoying, and 1 post saying the art is not that great compared to other games. I'm not disputing if it should have won game of the year, since it was obviously influential for many.
Overall it's not a big deal, though. I'm not making it a war like other people.
If 3=dozens for you then I guess pop off, but also stay in school.
I don't follow the Game Awards and I don't play modern games but I still think Expedition 33 sweeping the awards is still disappointing
Yeah it’s kind of lame. I mean good for the developers, but it is a little ehh.
Haven't played E33 myself. I agree there were a few categories it was in that it shouldn't have been. But it doesn't matter. This is something that's been going on for years.
TGA always has to put at least one game in every year that gets nominated for every category under the sun because it gets them ratings. It gets fans of every other game to go crazy trying to outvote it, and every fan of that game, and every less dedicated person voting, to vote for it because "a game in many categories must be the best", and everyone loves something that sweeps up entire awards shows.
Sometimes, they do this with 2 games. Like with GoWR and Elden Ring in 2022. But it's still something that happens every year.
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It did use ai during production but only as placeholders that aren't in the final product. It's not perfect but at least it's not CoD:BO7
Nothing burger argument 🥀🥀
Its always complaining about the game that won and who didnt win and never that the game awards are fucking useless and have been for the past decade. Its just a machine to pump ads which doing shady shit in the background. Do I care E33 won? No, I liked the game (sucks that the far right in France loves it too.) Do I care that Silk Song lost? No, I didnt like it and didnt think it was good imo because thats what really matters, personal opinions. Who gives a shit what some board of people said is the best game. The over reliance on TGA to brand quality is ruining gaming.
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Gulp
After the worst game of the year won GOTY I don't think I've seen a single person give a real fuck about it unless there is an announcement. E3 2 electric Boogaloo
Which game was the worst game of the year?
TLOU2. Literally not a triple A game worse that year and it swept. And then TGA lost all their credibility.
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So you don't understand.
All award shows are bribed, it is an undeniable fact of the industry. There just happens to be a semi-corrolation between better games having an incentive to spend more on bribes to raise their chances at wins.
The TGA where TLOU2 (2/10 game btw) not only won, but had an insane sweep showed that they had little integrity to even PRETEND like bribes weren't a factor like most award shows (like the prior TGAs) at least make an attempt at.
It opened a lot of people's eyes and broke the illusion that awards shows literally rely upon for any form of prestige. It's an illusion, where even if you know that every award show is filled to the brim with bribes, you'd still often cared about the results because it was nice. But saying a game is on the same level as a momentarily failure of game design and storytelling really shatters that illusion.
This isn't "critics disagreed with a thing you dislike" (as much as you'd like to invalidate a judgment) this is simply a statement of fact that TGA have a drastically lowered amount of prestige in the eyes of many gamers after letting an objectively horribly written and poorly designed game get so much.
I want skong to win bruh
yeah we kinda need hl3 with how insane r/halflife is going
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Why is ai a positive trait?
Sorry I've been stuck in EU5 for past 350 hours, what are we talking about?
The Exp33 siuation is so weird, it's the absolute GOTY in my opinion and that's coming from someone who's been waiting for Skong for so darn long. Yes it's a pity Silksong got thrown into the shadows but EXP absolutely deserves the hype and praise. It's fine to be sad or frustrated for Silksong but hating on EXP33 because it was the (in my opinion) better game is stupid. The grammy's are just ass at categorizing games.
As a KCD II fan, I hope TGA stops receiving funding and all of the judges are forced to get a real job
I love kcd2 as well but what the fuck
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I love how people are hating on this masterpiece of a game because of tga
Guys remember. TGA is based on VOTES. That means tje game is really that good. Maybe it should not have been in the indie categories but it’s honestly childish to say « muuuh game won so game bad »
about 10% of the votes are from the public, the rest is critics, so no, it is not entirely based on votes
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I’ve seen gameplay of it and tbh it really looks like the type of game for someone who needs near constant stimulation to stay engaged with something, and overhyped.
Like, genuinely who wants to have the enemy enshrouded in damage numbers every time you hit it, half the screen literally covered up in buffs that pop up from your character icons EVERY time your character attacks or even starts battle?
Oh yeah, why on earth would i want to know how well my characters perform against the enemies and which of my party's stats and abilities are strengthened based on visual input?
Yeah dude sure, but it reaches a point where it’s too much, the gameplay I saw, no exaggeration, just had 50 little text boxes pop up off the character icon and just go up all the way off the fuckin screen, this happened 3 times for 3 different characters, and half of the screen was just a wall of different shit that activated just from attacking, then all the damage numbers that popped up were so huge they completely obscured the weird ass candy enemy he was fighting, the game looks like those old “what if EA owned [insert IP]” memes, because the screen is cluttered with shit.
Enjoy whatever you want, and I won’t continue to tuck someone else’s yum, but all this bullshit abt “IT DESERVED EVERY AWARD IT GOT” is exactly that, bullshit.
Dude you've just seen post-game crazy builds. The game's super readable the whole way through until the very end when they kinda let you go crazy and break the combat system.
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What
Please tell me there wasn't actually a subset of people who wanted skong to win 😭
"Please tell me there wasn't a group of people who wanted one game to win over another in the popularity contest"
rain world is the only game that gets an AI pass