š„š„š„ I fuck with the artwork and the reasoning behind it and the message they are meant to convey. This is really dope artwork for black people and all people
I donāt like the reasoning because I feel like sheās implying that spankings are a bad thing.
Proverbs 13:24
King James Version
24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
But of course, maybe thatās just a me thing as now and days people are moving further and further away from the Bible.
And did she just get the braces before making the video? The lisp was a bit much. She is cute though and the art itself is dope.
All strange opinions here. Including the tangent about her physical appeal and cuteness. Lol Christians are something else (I am a Christian so I know).
If I love my child and brought them into the world, why would I beat or harm them to show them a lesson? We gotta start interpreting the Bible metaphorically man. Because are you really gonna cut off your hand for causing you to sin?
Press the brakes, I do not identify as a Christian as almost all modern day Christians are basically Pagans. The latter part of your comment pretty much proves that. You donāt even believe in the Bible, you just like the parts that make you feel good. Not everything in the Bible is a metaphor, there are things that are literal. Sparing the rod and spoiling the child are an example of something literal that youāre wanting to be a metaphor. If you love your kids, you most certainly will discipline them. If you donāt, the world will, and the world doesnāt love your kids the way you do! By the way, the cutting off the hand that causes you to sin isnāt a metaphor either. You should indeed chop it off if it constantly causes you to sin. Which brings me to my next point. Modern Christians believe sin no longer exists and that they are currently saved when the Bible does not teach either of those things
šš my guy, as soon as he started talking about āpagansā he lost me. Every day Iām responding less to these people. Iām getting frustrated wasting my time trying to convince strangers to see my point of view. Itās not my career, nor is it my hobby. I went swimming, then bowling, and got Chick fil A, right after I sent this. Life is good.
Tf I look like arguing with somebody talking to me about Edomites and Africa being fake. šš Much love you and this odd fellow.
Bringing in a fictional book to prove an issue is just a bad take. That's the same verse used by masters against slaves. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE VIOLENCE TO DISCIPLINE KIDS
Saying itās a fictional book is a subjective take. And the āwhite man gave us the Bibleā argument is foolish as hell. They never gave us the real Bible during slavery. American slavery is far from the only slavery to ever exist so your point is a bit silly. White people didnāt write the Bible and the bits they did use during slavery were almost always completely out of context. Almost the entirety of the Bible is based on the continent falsely known as Africa, yet you think white people wrote it. The Bible literally says that Edom will be destroyed and that the Edomites will be enslaved in the end and then utterly destroyed. It also labels them as they who steal, kill, and destroy. But none of this matters to you since you donāt believe in the Bible. Thatās fine, thatās your choice, but donāt assume everyone is like you or agree with your opinion as thatās not how opinions work
The book is fiction because they cherry picked the fun fantasy stories during the Catholic reformation. Check out the 30 other books that used to be considered biblical until the Pope voted otherwise. Once again it's not a reliable source, it's not even first hand accounting of the events. The first book was written almost 100 years after Jesus died.
So many fallacies you just wrote. For one, the first five books of the Bible are called the Torah and were passed down through oral tradition. They 100% existed before the Messiah was born unto Joseph and Mary. The Messiah read from those books & quoted them! His name was NEVER Jesus as the letter J wasnāt created until the year 1524 A.D.. Not to mention that the English language isnāt known for translating names of people. If you meet a Mexican named Pedro, do you call him Pedro or do you call him Peter? Youād call him Pedro. What are the 30 other books you are referring to? I use the 1611 King James Bible and it includes the original Apocrypha. The pope had absolutely nothing to do with it. There are also several first hand events recorded in the Bible. But again if you donāt believe, that is your choice. If the Bible is as fake as you claimā¦ Where is the book that has surpassed it? The Bible is literally the best selling book of all time. Now what is fictional is the pseudoscience youāve been taught and believe to be actual science
Too many men have had access to change the Bible to how they see fit. Regardless of why you believe Christianity is corrupted along with a lot of religions because of the fact that man has manipulated it so much.
Plus we act like all some of us were getting spankings when we were getting beat which is a big difference. Using the bible to discredit her work is the same shit most people do to discredit us when we do something they donāt like.
Too many men have had access to change the Bible? And what exactly do you think they changed? And who said there wasnāt a difference between a spanking and a beating? I didnāt discredit her work, I said I liked it but I didnāt like what it implied. And who are these people using the Bible to discredit you? Itās 2025 almost 2026. Judging by the downvotes Iāve gotten itās very clear that most people donāt agree with the Bible so again who are these people you are referring to?
I personally donāt believe it because of its many many contradictions of the Bible which is odd because most Muslims follow or at least believe in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible)
This is one of those things that has me like - "HOW DID YOUR BRAIN THINK OF THIS". Absolute fucking masterpiece. Imma need her to win some type of artistic award and I hope those pieces sell for generational wealth numbers man.
Personally Iām tired of this revisionist history that Black people are the only ones who did so. Also, these critiques never include discussion on the collective protection element.Ā
Itās usually Black people beat their kids, and beating your kids is bad, thereforeā¦.
I feel where you are coming from. I will say that Weāve tried to have this discussion many times before and it is usually met with āwell I was beat, look how I turned outā as a flex or something.
Personably I think itās a good few pieces and itās honest that a lot of us can relate to and in a sense see a visible representation of those experiences. It may be abstract but Iāve seen a lot worse that people in our community is getting up to.
I support her and her art and hope we can actually start discussing and correcting instead of deflecting and ignoring.
Yet there are a lot of black folks that have this experience in black households. I really wish yall would stop dismissing the experiences of black folks because either you havenāt been through it or not only black folks go through it.
Can you craft one that has water droplets running down the canvas like a shower and a curtain of extension cords hanging over the canvas like a shower curtain.
Iām reading that thereās some semi-guilty folk in the chat that wanna continue to beat their children. Yāall fucking laughable, smh. Thank you, OP!
Eh, different way to approaching a situation lol. Iāve seen the extremes of whooping your kids and gentle parenting. Iād be a in the middle type of guy but not against whoopings.
Itās definitely anti-discipline. Itās at least toothless parenting. Taking away video games and phones then calling it ādisciplineā is a sign that those two objects are raising your kids already. Plus everyone thatās anti discipline seems to never have a solution thats nearly as effective.
Thatās what majority of us are saying whooping should not be a go to and thatās what many black people In black households have experienced. Discipline without teaching is no good. If your just whooping your kid for every single thing they do wrong and then disguising it as discipline then that means all you have to offer your kids is violence because you donāt want to take the time to actually teach and get creative. Not every child can be whooped and be good in life which is why itās important to learn YOUR child and see what works when raising your child
Regardless of what majority of people are saying, itās presented as 100% bad. Posts like these never present it as a necessary evil or add any nuance.
Because we have historically had this tendency to regard things done by non-darkskin Black people as somehow more important or legitimate or intelligent or brilliant. And I don't like the colorism that is at the foundation of that.
Okay but that black woman canāt control her skin tone. She is still black at the end of the day. I feel like statements like this is also a form of colorism. You just said you hate when certain things like this are done by lighter people and you donāt even see your unintentionally contributing to the problem. Iām sure if she were darkskin and made the video with the same context it wouldāve still blown up.
Colorism is not a both/and system. It is not a system in which light-skinned people are discriminated against. It's a system in which dark-skinned people are discriminated against. And there is over 60 years of research to back this up.
Colorism is a "I don't like him because he's light skinned." Colorism is "I'm going to find him not guilty of a crime I know he committed or give him less time in his sentencing because his light skin makes me bias in his favor."
So, I get why you say I'm colorist, but I'm not. I just side-eye the way we always think shit is better when someone light skinned does it.
Your judging this in a hypothetical way. Your saying āthe only reason she got the shine was because sheās lightskinnedā or āthere probably was a darker skinned person who did this and sheās only getting shine because sheās lightā. When Iām sure If a darkskin woman did this with the same context it wouldāve went viral and if this woman stole it TikTok (the users) will find out and very much shut her down. However I think itās unfair to just see a lightskin person and immediately dislike something they do because of their complexion.
Thatās like saying Beyonce is only Beyonce because sheās light skin. Sure she may have benefited from the good side of colorism in some way but itās not the only reason .
Just because I can see multiple perspectives doesnāt mean I live in the real world. I do agree with that. However I canāt use that as an end all be all because Whitney Houston, Patti labelle, Aretha Franklin all talented and darker skinned women garnered major success. With the elements Beyonce has in vocals, stage presence, and star power she couldāve very well still had the same success. But I think she wouldāve had more against herš¤·š½āāļø
I tap a**, and I still like the creativity behind. I don't have a negative relationship with a belt. I appreciate the times I got disciplined. It shaped me very well. None of the things that cause me pause or anxiety in life have anything to do with discipline, but they do have something to do with emotional abuse.
that spiritual connection we have to chains and whips is crazy
Is it? Were your ancestors never enslaved?
I love people who can turn ideas into to the physical
š„š„š„ I fuck with the artwork and the reasoning behind it and the message they are meant to convey. This is really dope artwork for black people and all people
I donāt like the reasoning because I feel like sheās implying that spankings are a bad thing.
Proverbs 13:24 King James Version 24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
But of course, maybe thatās just a me thing as now and days people are moving further and further away from the Bible. And did she just get the braces before making the video? The lisp was a bit much. She is cute though and the art itself is dope.
All strange opinions here. Including the tangent about her physical appeal and cuteness. Lol Christians are something else (I am a Christian so I know).
If I love my child and brought them into the world, why would I beat or harm them to show them a lesson? We gotta start interpreting the Bible metaphorically man. Because are you really gonna cut off your hand for causing you to sin?
Press the brakes, I do not identify as a Christian as almost all modern day Christians are basically Pagans. The latter part of your comment pretty much proves that. You donāt even believe in the Bible, you just like the parts that make you feel good. Not everything in the Bible is a metaphor, there are things that are literal. Sparing the rod and spoiling the child are an example of something literal that youāre wanting to be a metaphor. If you love your kids, you most certainly will discipline them. If you donāt, the world will, and the world doesnāt love your kids the way you do! By the way, the cutting off the hand that causes you to sin isnāt a metaphor either. You should indeed chop it off if it constantly causes you to sin. Which brings me to my next point. Modern Christians believe sin no longer exists and that they are currently saved when the Bible does not teach either of those things
ā¦ā¦.man i dont have time for this lol you got it brother, have a blessed day
Iām mad you handled this so respectfully.
šš my guy, as soon as he started talking about āpagansā he lost me. Every day Iām responding less to these people. Iām getting frustrated wasting my time trying to convince strangers to see my point of view. Itās not my career, nor is it my hobby. I went swimming, then bowling, and got Chick fil A, right after I sent this. Life is good.
Tf I look like arguing with somebody talking to me about Edomites and Africa being fake. šš Much love you and this odd fellow.
Bringing in a fictional book to prove an issue is just a bad take. That's the same verse used by masters against slaves. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE VIOLENCE TO DISCIPLINE KIDS
Saying itās a fictional book is a subjective take. And the āwhite man gave us the Bibleā argument is foolish as hell. They never gave us the real Bible during slavery. American slavery is far from the only slavery to ever exist so your point is a bit silly. White people didnāt write the Bible and the bits they did use during slavery were almost always completely out of context. Almost the entirety of the Bible is based on the continent falsely known as Africa, yet you think white people wrote it. The Bible literally says that Edom will be destroyed and that the Edomites will be enslaved in the end and then utterly destroyed. It also labels them as they who steal, kill, and destroy. But none of this matters to you since you donāt believe in the Bible. Thatās fine, thatās your choice, but donāt assume everyone is like you or agree with your opinion as thatās not how opinions work
The book is fiction because they cherry picked the fun fantasy stories during the Catholic reformation. Check out the 30 other books that used to be considered biblical until the Pope voted otherwise. Once again it's not a reliable source, it's not even first hand accounting of the events. The first book was written almost 100 years after Jesus died.
So many fallacies you just wrote. For one, the first five books of the Bible are called the Torah and were passed down through oral tradition. They 100% existed before the Messiah was born unto Joseph and Mary. The Messiah read from those books & quoted them! His name was NEVER Jesus as the letter J wasnāt created until the year 1524 A.D.. Not to mention that the English language isnāt known for translating names of people. If you meet a Mexican named Pedro, do you call him Pedro or do you call him Peter? Youād call him Pedro. What are the 30 other books you are referring to? I use the 1611 King James Bible and it includes the original Apocrypha. The pope had absolutely nothing to do with it. There are also several first hand events recorded in the Bible. But again if you donāt believe, that is your choice. If the Bible is as fake as you claimā¦ Where is the book that has surpassed it? The Bible is literally the best selling book of all time. Now what is fictional is the pseudoscience youāve been taught and believe to be actual science
Too many men have had access to change the Bible to how they see fit. Regardless of why you believe Christianity is corrupted along with a lot of religions because of the fact that man has manipulated it so much.
Plus we act like all some of us were getting spankings when we were getting beat which is a big difference. Using the bible to discredit her work is the same shit most people do to discredit us when we do something they donāt like.
Too many men have had access to change the Bible? And what exactly do you think they changed? And who said there wasnāt a difference between a spanking and a beating? I didnāt discredit her work, I said I liked it but I didnāt like what it implied. And who are these people using the Bible to discredit you? Itās 2025 almost 2026. Judging by the downvotes Iāve gotten itās very clear that most people donāt agree with the Bible so again who are these people you are referring to?
The book that surpassed it was Dianetics, by L. Ron Hubbard. That was a work of fiction also
Youāre hilarious š Thanks, I truly needed that laugh
No dog in this fight just genuinely interested in what your opinion of the Quran is
I personally donāt believe it because of its many many contradictions of the Bible which is odd because most Muslims follow or at least believe in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible)
Should I replicate what Semitic people did in the year 3545 BCE, or should I take into account what we know about child development in 2025 CE?
You can do whatever you want. I have no control over what you do. Very odd comment
She is good. I just sent this to my sister who is a curator. Because I love you piece is a good one
I had to follow her for this. Need more.
Art can be so powerful
https://i.redd.it/ytclsc9tlz6g1.gif
This is one of those things that has me like - "HOW DID YOUR BRAIN THINK OF THIS". Absolute fucking masterpiece. Imma need her to win some type of artistic award and I hope those pieces sell for generational wealth numbers man.
I'm happy she explained her intent behind it because it gave it a lot more meaning than I would have garnered from just looking at it
Idk. Depends on what the artwork is saying.
Personally Iām tired of this revisionist history that Black people are the only ones who did so. Also, these critiques never include discussion on the collective protection element.Ā
Itās usually Black people beat their kids, and beating your kids is bad, thereforeā¦.
I feel you, on this.
I feel where you are coming from. I will say that Weāve tried to have this discussion many times before and it is usually met with āwell I was beat, look how I turned outā as a flex or something.
Personably I think itās a good few pieces and itās honest that a lot of us can relate to and in a sense see a visible representation of those experiences. It may be abstract but Iāve seen a lot worse that people in our community is getting up to.
I support her and her art and hope we can actually start discussing and correcting instead of deflecting and ignoring.
Yet there are a lot of black folks that have this experience in black households. I really wish yall would stop dismissing the experiences of black folks because either you havenāt been through it or not only black folks go through it.
did she say only black folks do it ? sheās black speaking on black households and experiences
U just openly letting everyone know you adverse to communal critiques like that?
Well, I suppose art wins again. They are provocative works sparking fierce debate.
Itās an artistic trauma dump. Clever.
Should have one titled: "...And I'll give you a reason to cry about"
WILD
Can you craft one that has water droplets running down the canvas like a shower and a curtain of extension cords hanging over the canvas like a shower curtain.
This is vool
Can we see more of her whipping???
Asking for a friend...
This is very artistic and dope.
Iām reading that thereās some semi-guilty folk in the chat that wanna continue to beat their children. Yāall fucking laughable, smh. Thank you, OP!
I wish she had an IG, damn.
Eh, different way to approaching a situation lol. Iāve seen the extremes of whooping your kids and gentle parenting. Iād be a in the middle type of guy but not against whoopings.
Ok
my jaw may never return from the floor.
this is beyond!!
Damn this shit hit me in my chest. Well done.
Pretty dope. I donāt ageee with anti-discipline but the art looks great.
Itās not anti disciplinebut more anti whuppin
Itās definitely anti-discipline. Itās at least toothless parenting. Taking away video games and phones then calling it ādisciplineā is a sign that those two objects are raising your kids already. Plus everyone thatās anti discipline seems to never have a solution thats nearly as effective.
Is spanking your kids the only way to discipline them?
Itās the nuclear option. Meaning when all else fails, Whip their ass. What traumatizes people is parents using violence to solve everything.
Can someone please give a viable solution to kids who donāt respond to a mere conversation or a timeout.
Thatās what majority of us are saying whooping should not be a go to and thatās what many black people In black households have experienced. Discipline without teaching is no good. If your just whooping your kid for every single thing they do wrong and then disguising it as discipline then that means all you have to offer your kids is violence because you donāt want to take the time to actually teach and get creative. Not every child can be whooped and be good in life which is why itās important to learn YOUR child and see what works when raising your child
Regardless of what majority of people are saying, itās presented as 100% bad. Posts like these never present it as a necessary evil or add any nuance.
Damn these are amazing. Because I love you will definitely bring some tears
Someone said they should lower it to a childās height.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm a collector and focus on up & coming artists of color. She has some other interesting pieces on her site.
I fuck with this, but I hate when it's done by diet Black/biracial/lightskin privilege people.
Why?
Because we have historically had this tendency to regard things done by non-darkskin Black people as somehow more important or legitimate or intelligent or brilliant. And I don't like the colorism that is at the foundation of that.
Okay but that black woman canāt control her skin tone. She is still black at the end of the day. I feel like statements like this is also a form of colorism. You just said you hate when certain things like this are done by lighter people and you donāt even see your unintentionally contributing to the problem. Iām sure if she were darkskin and made the video with the same context it wouldāve still blown up.
Colorism is not a both/and system. It is not a system in which light-skinned people are discriminated against. It's a system in which dark-skinned people are discriminated against. And there is over 60 years of research to back this up.
Colorism is a "I don't like him because he's light skinned." Colorism is "I'm going to find him not guilty of a crime I know he committed or give him less time in his sentencing because his light skin makes me bias in his favor."
So, I get why you say I'm colorist, but I'm not. I just side-eye the way we always think shit is better when someone light skinned does it.
What Iām trying to say is has someone dark skinned done this before? If not we canāt say we only liked this because sheās lightskinned
Weāll never know. Because colorism would ensure a dark-skinned person would be less likely to get shine because of it.
Your judging this in a hypothetical way. Your saying āthe only reason she got the shine was because sheās lightskinnedā or āthere probably was a darker skinned person who did this and sheās only getting shine because sheās lightā. When Iām sure If a darkskin woman did this with the same context it wouldāve went viral and if this woman stole it TikTok (the users) will find out and very much shut her down. However I think itās unfair to just see a lightskin person and immediately dislike something they do because of their complexion.
Thatās like saying Beyonce is only Beyonce because sheās light skin. Sure she may have benefited from the good side of colorism in some way but itās not the only reason .
If BeyoncĆ© looked like Kelly Rowland, she would not have BeyoncĆ© success. And if you disagree with that, well you just donāt live in the real world fam.
Just because I can see multiple perspectives doesnāt mean I live in the real world. I do agree with that. However I canāt use that as an end all be all because Whitney Houston, Patti labelle, Aretha Franklin all talented and darker skinned women garnered major success. With the elements Beyonce has in vocals, stage presence, and star power she couldāve very well still had the same success. But I think she wouldāve had more against herš¤·š½āāļø
I tap a**, and I still like the creativity behind. I don't have a negative relationship with a belt. I appreciate the times I got disciplined. It shaped me very well. None of the things that cause me pause or anxiety in life have anything to do with discipline, but they do have something to do with emotional abuse.
Do you think whooping should be a go to? And do you not see how whooping as a go to can cause anxiety or any other mental health problems?