The lads in Aus have put out a not strictly BJJ related podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/its-over-for-bradley-martyn/id1559334788?i=1000741640468 where they call out white supremacy and other bullshit in the fitness industry.
I believe there is a lot of right wing influence in bjj and it is severely detrimental to our sport so seeing something that clearly remarks on the acceptable boundaries from a more left leaning viewpoint is great to me. I genuinely don’t think calling out nazis for being racist arseholes should be a problem but their delisted YouTube video clearly shows it is.
Anyway, just wanted to join in with the sentiment that extremists can fuck right off. Show the lads some support if you can because it looks like they got hanmered by people unsubscribing.
I gotta think the YT video was shared in some sweaty discord server. That comment section is bad, even for YouTube.
They were angry they had to stop mid wank to defend their heroes.
Really happy to see that. It's the only BJJ Podcast I listen to and I always had the feeling that these two are just good lads. I also really enjoy their banter and that they don't take the sport so fucking seriously.
I like them well enough, but stopped listening. Too many ads for the length of the content, and muting every cuss word when they decide to cuss like a sailor really turned me off.
JT and Joey are legends. And very selfless when it comes to helping out the Jiu-Jitsu community ❤️🔥
Both of the guys are really good people and Joey especially has been doing a fair bit of social advocacy work recently calling out racism and bigotry in Australia.
This is great to see.
/u/stevekwan, host of BJJ Mental Models, also has a great secondary podcast he hosts with /u/stephankesting, /u/oldbastardBJJ, and others called Fighting Matters that has a very similar theme. Highly recommended. Glad to see big names in the sport calling this bullshit out.
Fighting matters is available on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much every other audio podcast platform. Sometimes it’s a collection of the five core members of the team discussing current events, but we’ve also had some pretty big name guests on as well, most recently Shaun Benson from the TV show The Boys.
I've been listening for a while. Please keep it going and speaking out against faciam in the sport.
Very cool, I didn't know Steven kwan had another podcast
So happy to see good influences in the community. Have been a fan for a long time and hearing their advocacy, moral standings and willingness to speak out about bullshit makes me an even bigger fan!
I've been a subscriber to their workouts in the past and a long time follower on Insta. I've seen Joey become more vocal about standing up to those on the far right of society on there recently which was grea to see. I'll definitely give the podcast a listen, etc
The comments on YouTube are insane. I hate that so many people in BJJ and martial arts in general are right wing or worse. Glad my gym isn’t that way.
A lot of American cookers, like the ones commenting on the video, love to trot out the "highly controlled" or "nanny state" comments about Australia. Like its a real sick burn or something. And it's pretty much entirely because you need a licence to own firearms
Idk, I'd rather live in my "nanny state" and not risk financial ruin from a hospital visit, my kids getting shot at school and/or my family getting detained by ICE because they're brown
I have zero interest in the right wing 2A talk or anything the NRA has to say; the right are the first ones to abandon the 2A when its convenient. The strictest gun laws in the country were passed by Reagan with NRA sign-off.
I'm Australian, my life is not constrained. I have friends who are avid sporting shooters and hunters and they are able to do pretty much what they want.
I broke my ulna at Jiu-jitsu in early 2024. I had 2 GP visits, 3 types of imaging, 2 hospital clinic visits and an emergency room visit. Total cost, $40 AUD. Taxes are hardly exorbitant, plus I get a part age pension even though still working part time. I was given discounted physio for my elbow which I didn't really need and so used it to successfully rehab a shoulder instead.
I'd have a hard time imagining a much better life anywhere else.
We here in America seem to have no understanding of what freedom is. I can't remember the exact terms but I think of it like this.
Drop a person in 1,000 acres of wilderness with 0 rules, only laws they have to obey are the laws of the universe.
Drop a person in a city, say London. You have to obey their laws.
Now in scenario one this person technically has the most freedom. But do they? Do they have more realized freedom?
You're thinking of positive and negative rights. That's a pretty common metaphor used to help describe them.
A negative right requires inaction on someone's behalf. Freedom of speech, for example. Nobody has to do anything for me to have that freedom, they just have to not try and stop me. Freedom of religion: same thing. Just don't interfere. I have all of them if I'm in the wilderness.
A positive right requires someone else to do something. A right to healthcare requires a hospital and the people in it to treat you. A right to public education requires a school and teachers. If I'm in London, there are a set of positive rights that the government has created.
The broad, aphoristic description of the American right-wing is that they are in favor of negative rights* while being against positive rights. Their view is that all positive rights reduce freedom. If you have a right to healthcare, then somewhere along the chain of that service being provided, someone is being coerced or forced.
The opposition from the American right to the policies of, e.g., the UK and Australia, is twofold. They've got lots of positive rights, which is not popular. But that's then combined with the removal of negative rights. There are plenty of examples of people in the UK getting multi-month prison sentences for writing mean things on twitter.
*There are some counter-examples of this commonly brought up (like abortion), but that's based on a misunderstanding of the right-wing view on it.
And its just a false dichotomy at the end of the day. When it comes down to the most meaningful definition of freedom is "freedom from X to do Y". Politic is all about where to draw the line with X, what to include in X, in order to get more Ys.
Before social media took off, I remember YouTube comments having the reputation for being the most low quality unmoderated sewer of discourse. It seems it's only gotten worse.
Yep, good on the boys for drawing a line in the sand telling racist cunts to fuck off.
Comments on it are crazy but not entirely unexpected
Been a fan for a long time. Glad to see they are in the right side of history. Sucks that they are getting a hard time.
Love them! Will always support them
I really love the podcast and they are my go to besides BJJ mental models
Never listened. But I’m down for the message. As a kiwi, I’ll always support some Aussie good cunts. Shit cunts can fuck off.
My god that comment section is really concerning. I wonder how many people in my academy are like that 🤦🏻♂️
Whoever invented the comments section on the internet made a huge mistake.
I met both of the guys at adcc last year and they so fuckin cool much respect to them!
Shout out to them and Steve Kwan's Fighting Matters podcast for doing the same. Just because were all in a community, doesn't mean we gotta tolerate hate and racism in the sport.
Respect
Take my upvote and have a nice day
They're both good guys . I like to listen to them while working . This makes them even better
Fuck yes! Call out all these pieces of shit
I trained with JT when he was a blue belt and I was a whitebait and he was amazingly helpful back then.
I run into him once in a while at comps and he still remembers my name and asks about my gym and progress everything I see him.
Awesome human.
These guys are great. I met Joey at a few seminars in Sydney, and he was always super friendly. He even interviewed me once on a predecessor to the current podcast, which is probably buried in the sands of time.
Its good to see it and sadly, it seems to be rife in the art. Them, Stephen Kesting and Tom deblass seem like a few rational ones in a sea of douchebros
Genuinely surprised about Deblass. I though he flies off the handle over nothing and has this weird macho attitude about beating people up in everyday situations. Happy to be wrong though
For what I've seen I do like his anti-bullying stuff
Yeah I dont gel with his biblehumping but overall he seems to be rational and anti-bullying.
Extremists on both sides can all fuck off. Right wing does not make you white supremacist, I’m right wing and mix race.
Good for these dudes for calling out the extremism, need more of that on both sides
Please don't use terms like "right wing" and "white supremacy" interchangeably
White supremacy is an inherently right wing position
Keep politics out of fight gyms. Keep politics out of BJJ. Keep your personal politics out of the entire sport.
Once you infuse politics in a fight gym, then paying members leave. Loss of revenue means reduced operating hours, cut classes and even sometimes coaches getting laid off.
Keep it out. There are countless ways, platforms and venues dedicated to political discussion if people want to do that. But IMHO do it there. In places dedicated for actual political related discussion.
Think about the entire community. Before you speak and act, think about the overall greater good for BJJ. This is how you honor those who spent time, sweat, blood and effort to train you and school you up in the sport.
I guess that's true to some extent but at some point you have to call people out.. same way you'd call out a rapist.. you wouldn't tolerate rape just to not piss off a rapists, would you?
How is this BJJ related? And yet Izaak Michelle isn't..
Also this type of rhetoric is the exact same of rhetoric the right spews which creates the ongoing divisions in society. The left are just hypocrites. The right are equally as bad but at least their honest about it.
Thats like saying the allies fighting the nazis, divided Europe. Typical wrongwinger
Yeah, I was just thinking the other day about how honest the right is.
Honest about this type of thing specifically. Jesus.
The right admit they act like cunts to the left. The left act like cunts and then say they don't.
If you're really curious about what mechanisms are driving us into ongoing social divisions, I'd be glad to elaborate. There's actually an entire ťbranch of science](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics) that deals specifically with this. It's used in virtually every industry and technology that exists. Except government.
And if you actually think that it's equal on both sides, we can discuss the application of the constitution, amendment by amendment. And we can look at them objectively, through the lens of the science I mentioned above, instead of having to rely on believing person A or person B.
If you're genuinely curious, but you think they're all just lying cunts and exactly the same, then I suspect you're not actually curious at all.
Why would I care about the application of the constitution amendment by amendment when I'm not American?
The first thing that has to be addressed in this conversation is which "side" do you think is worse? Because whatever you say will show the type of curiosity and research you have done in reality.
These type of conversations go like this - you will present some kind of source either way, right or left. I will present an opposing source which is just as reliable. You'll say they're lying and your source is not. I'll laugh.
Maybe because we have amendments that ought to safeguard foreign countries from a president arbitrarily raining AMERICAN FREEDOM down on them. And a rising tide raises all ships, so there's that. (And while that is just a common idiom, but I can explain why it's objectively valid as well.)
But I'd really try to describe what a functional system of government ought to look like, regardless of where it's located. The mechanisms of feedback and self-regulation. I'll try to convey that a proper system of governance is more like an alarm clock you set yourself, rather then someone else deciding when you wake up, which is what "modern" government resembles, yours too. But of course, actual modern mechanisms of governance use actual science and logic. What we have is a decayed version of what was relatively cutting edge nearly 300 years ago.
Imagine what any other industry looked like back then... That's about what modern government looks like to someone who actually understands it. Our "modern" government (and I say "our" because this applies to every government in the world currently) is the equivalent of those guys that don't train because they just "see red, bro".
And I'm guessing that's where you're at. You probably have lots of arbitrary intuition about how things ought to be, but you've probably never actually studied feedback and control systems.
So I'll probably try to find bjj examples to explain these various mechanisms briefly. Or if you've got any other hobbies that I have some knowledge of, I can use those as well.
And then I'll describe roughly the potential paths for how to get to those results from where we are now.
And I'll let you compare and contrast the right and left and make your own conclusions about which is better or worse, because you're right about relying on sources. Assessing the validity of information based on the source is inherently flawed. (That's a significant part of the science I mentioned above also.)
Relying on a source is like "Hey, I saw one instructor say it has to be like this." "Oh, I saw a different instructor say the opposite." Whereas you ultimately have to learn enough to connect what's being discussed to your fundamental model of reality. That's getting on the mats and trying not just the two popular methods, but exploring even more. Applying fundamental biology and leverage, and testing it. Testing it across a variety of rolls and a variety of opponents. And even including methods of making adjustments on the fly for opponents that surprise us.
I gotta repeat. I'm not American. Nothing in the American constitution affects me in any way or has any relevance. Every constitution has safeguards for everything. Americans just seem to think their constitution is the only one that either exists, or is the correct one. FYI. It's not just the American constitution that provides safeguards. There's countless international treaties and so on that achieve more.
With regards to your assertion I would need analogies. Just FYI. If you need to resort to analogies. It's generally because you're unable to assert your argument correctly so have to find something else to try and out it across. It basically comes from not actually knowing what you're talking about.
You've already started discrediting any course I bring up. Exactly as I said you would. Because you must know I'm right about what will happen
You've also started the typical "i've researched properly and you haven't" a bit earlier than I expected. Normally that comes after a few sources that contradict your sources.
I gather you're trying to prove to me the left is good and the right is bad. Because one behaviour that is also common to the left is they take a long time to present their preferred side. Whereas righties will just come straight out and say it.
My mistake entirely. You actually have everything figured out. I could really learn a lot from you. You're probably the only person in the world that's absolutely correct about everything they believe.
Best of luck.
Yeah. One thing you should learn is to avoid tantrums and to stop trying to convince people your opinions are fact simply because America has a constitution..
Lesson learned! Sorry i overestimated your critical reading and thinking skills!
Your opinions are fact.
Strictly bjj with a sprinkle of political ideology clearly