In my Undergrad at Idaho State, I took a class taught by Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum. The class was evolutionary biology and had nothing to do with any cryptids.
At the end of the semester, Dr. Meldrum taught a three hour class on his understanding and evidence of Big Foot. Kind of as a treat to the class.
Keep in mind, Dr. Meldrum was one of the most intelligent and articulate people I have ever known or have ever listened to. The class was mind blowing. He dove into the musculature of the feet, the motion of the animal, the parallels to other primates and known behavior of extinct homo species. He even discusses where the hoaxes are easily identifiable, and how to spot genuine cases. The class was amazing. Ever since then I don't doubt that a Sasquatch species could exist in relatively small numbers.
Wait a F'in minute! Are you serious!? Dr. M passed away! Why haven't I heard about this I've been off internet and socials for a little bit now but I think something like that I woulda heard about...when did this happen?
They’ve found people in the Himalayas that have different genetics than the actual Homo Sapiens. They seem to be in between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens, possibly even surviving Homo Erectus. They’re a small secluded tribe in the mountains. I can’t remember where I read it or I’d source it, and I can’t remember how they were discovered but it was a cool rabbit hole I found awhile back.
I think they are real. I don't believe they travel thru portals or anything nonsensical. I believe they are really good at avoiding us and the forest is really large and a good place to hide.
Too much evidence on people seeing them over the centuries not to believe in them.
Native Americans have seen these things for years and it's not just one tribe it's several just like the SkinWalker it's terrified them for hundreds of years.
Not only native Americans. Pretty much every nation on earth has centuries old stories about large hairy apes that have human-like faces. That's not nothing
Just to turn it around for argument. Giants are also prevalent in many cultures. More popular than hairy ape-men. Is it more likely Giants or Bigfoot are real?
As a female i wanna say I'd be scared shitless if I ever got close to one but so excited at the same time just because it seems like such an awesome experience.
I don't know if they are real (probably not). But if they are real--they most certainly do things paranormal. If you're going to believe people's stories you have to take into account them saying they see these beings shapeshift, move in a way that doesn't correspond to our physical laws, and communicate telepathically.
A lot of people do believe the woo side of Bigfoot though and claim to have seen lights or the presence of the creature suddenly disappearing. Why do you choose not to believe all those people versus the ones that just claim there’s a very large primate we’ve never collected a specimen of?
I fully understand the vast range of forests that bigfoot would inhabit. But even in that huge area, there are tens of thousands of trail cameras. The fact is, there should be a clear and decent picture of them by now. I understand the argument that those cameras could be recognized and avoided, but that makes no sense when this supposed animal runs into human beings so often. A camera doesn't move or smell or make sound like a human does, so how is it that a creature like this could take such caution to avoid a camera and yet still be seen by people so often?
My theory was that Bigfoot were a species similar to humans and Neanderthals, both of which are confirmed to have buried their dead for tens of thousands of years. Lack of footage due to the species becoming extinct around the same time as everyone started carrying cameras and recording everything.
But I don't believe in it. That was just my theory when I did.
But I find it absolutely fascinating how Native Americans (and other peoples) have a history of Bigfoot or Bigfoot like creatures and how consistent they are between them. Probably the product of neanderthals after tens of thousands of years of verbal history and storytelling but idk
If theyre close enough to humans any fossils would be misinterpreted as neanderthal.
And poop? How would anyone recognize it? How long would it survive in the elements?
At first glance it would be indistinguishable from any other large mammal.
And a pile of busted elk bones would be indistinguishable from being killed by a bear or wolf or Bigfoot.
If nature just lets dead bodies lay around indefinitely, which it doesn't. Once the predators are done, any remnants are scattered to oblivion by the smaller animals. The window to find such things is measured in hours.
And we do find their abodes.
Grass huts. Broken branch lean-to's. Those are found and documented all the time.
I dunno I want to say yes but as large as some of our forests are it’s still difficult for me to accept there’s a species living topside with such intelligence that they are able to premeditate avoidance and secrecy.. the Patterson film still intrigues me though. It’s a rough call but I lean towards no
Its like the ufo phenomena...too many people have had encounters to dismiss it. SOMETHING is going on.
Its hard to swallow that its mass misidentification, especially with reports of folks seeing these things cross or walk along the road FEET away from them. Many, many people have stories of seeing these things or having some type of encounter that just can't be logically explained except for...they saw a sasquatch.
That something is mass misidentification. To be clear, most Bigfoot sightings happened after the release of the Patterson film, and it should be no surprise that the majority of Bigfoot sightings have occurred after the Patterson film became famous;
People are remarkably good at fooling themselves into thinking they say one thing, when really they have seen another, after being influenced by the media they consume.
Some other great examples of this include;
- the vast majority of alleged alien sightings and encounters happened after the Roswell Incident became famous.
- Nessie being described as a plesiosaur only happened after "The Lost World" (not JP) was released in theaters, and importantly that depiction is now known to be completely unscientific and is not what these animals were like in life.
- Mokele-mbembe only stated getting described as a sauropod when Europeans adapted the myths about it to try and fit their understanding of biology at the time. Its depiction as a water-wading Sauropod is now known to be unscientific and is not what these animals were like in life.
The reality is that misidentification of animals is pretty common, and even experienced hunters/woodsman do it (and any who claim otherwise is a fool). Importantly, if Bigfoot was real we would have remains of it by now... But we don't... And all proposed Bigfoot remains that have actually been studied (because the people pushing these as Bigfoot remains are often hesitant to allow them to be studied as they don't want the "jig to be up" as it were) have be verified to not be the remains of some unknown primate.
I actually posted it on a couple subreddits I think, a few years ago but I can't find it. I found it on accident because it was quoted a few different places but now it's completely missing lol
Edit: come back, I'll tell the story.
So i guess they were riding double on a snowmobile somewhere between Ottawa and Utica il on the I&M canal. They're on the tow-path next to the canal and see a huge dude on the frozen canal and he looks at them and just starts chasing them.
She mentions the smell every time she tells the story which is even more wild because that old snowmobile could do at least 45mph and she could still smell it like that. I don't know how long but it was keeping up for a while before it gave up. I couldn't guess a year, late 90s early 00s.
There's a super sus chemical company in LaSalle that some older folks claim were working close with the military. That'd explain the backwards barbed wire fencing I guess.
If you’re going to go through the trouble of making a “Bigfoot suit” you certainly wouldn’t bother making one with breasts. I think this is the best real footage
Before the PGF was filmed Patterson illustrated a book about Bigfoot. His Bigfoot had breasts. So Patterson might have been the exact person who would have had a suit with breasts.
That doesn’t explain seeing her muscle movement as she walks though, it’s too natural the way she moves to be someone in a suit or costume, not to mention size
Patterson had no skill set to fake an anthropologically correct primate suit. If anything he would have just bought a gorilla costume and called it a day. But that's not what's on film. The proportions are all wrong.
That’s actually exactly what’s alleged, he bought the suit. The alleged suitmaker gave him ways you could correct the proportions. Not unusual for costume designers.
The alleged suit maker can only do so much. The more you put padding on, the more you contain and hide the interior movement.
The height to width ratio of what's on film is simply beyond human ability. You can compare it to the height to width ratio of other famous bigfoots like Andre the Giant or Ted Cassidy from The Six Million Dollar man, shot only a few years later. Neither of those two duplicate the Patterson film, despite having the budget of a huge movie studio behind the biggest TV hit of that time.
We do not know the length of proportions because they are only estimates. This is because we do not know the exact distance the PGF was filmed at. Even a 10m can change the estimated proportions by feet which turns the unhuman into human or human into unhuman.
Also you would release more than 59 seconds of film. Nothing more than 59 seconds of the most famous cryptid encounter to be filmed? If it was fake there would be more footage.
I don’t think we have evidence Bigfoot/Sasquatch exists. I’m not exactly saying they don’t exist, we just don’t have good enough evidence. I’ve seen a lot on the PGF and the arguments go back and forth for me. Some people see muscle mass while others see fabric folding. Some say that no costume from the era could have been that good but I don’t believe any similar attempt has been made as even the BBC footage used a costume a company had on hand at that point and not one made by the original alleged costume maker. It’s fantastic footage I love hearing the merits for and against like a thought experiment, but I don’t think it’s sufficient evidence to say a marvellous primate exists.
In terms of the eye witness accounts? Who am I to really say, I wasn’t there. But, a lot of people don’t claim to have long term, clear, visual exposure to these primates. One thing I often think about when considering Bigfoot encounters is the story of truckers seeing a black dog shortly before an accident. Again, I have to ask what’s more likely, people’s brains are associating things they saw with popular cultural myths or there’s a marvellous primate species living out there that we’ve never gathered concrete evidence for? Occam’s razor has to apply for me. No Bigfoot.
I think you either do or you don't. Don't recall the show but didn't they re-analyze the footage of the original Patterson film on some history channel show? I remember it being very convincing showing muscle movement, foot flexing up on the step and like the leg hair changing when the hand swept back across it like real hair or fur would. I think for those that don't they are stuck on everything being a person in a costume and nothing but a body would change their minds.
The one I'm thinking was more recent. It was within the year or at most last yr. They had 3 guys 1 a computer guy who analyzes footage and other smart people stuff. The other was a famous costume maker in Hollywood back during that time and the last was the Dr who's in every bigfoot movie de meldrem? Meldrum?
I always "believed" in sasquatch, but after i had a visual encounter with this creature that supposedly doesn't exist, i can't say i believe in them any more. I KNOW they are real.
The real question then becomes: "what the hell are they??"
My personal opinion is a relic hominid. If we were alive 40-50,000 years ago, we would be existing alongside other hominid species. Neanderthals, denisovans etc. It would be normal to us to see other upright walking creatures that aren't human.
For sure, they are real. If you need convincing tune into Wes Kramer at “Sasquatch Chronicles”.I think I saw one when I was about 5 . At my grandparents farm( with my older cousins). It was at the back of the property in the swamp.At the time we referred to it as a hobo. We thought it was dressed in old rags, torn and hanging off its arms. It was on the far end of a pasture. We would see it at night or evening , in the moonlight or low lighting.We were kinda spooked and kept our distance. We thought that his hair was messy and long and had full facial hair. We thought that he had old rags around his feet and figured he was filthy.At the time we never put it together as what we were looking at. Just assumed it was a grubby old hobo.Hard to say now.Years later there was a report in the newspaper of a sighting about an hour and a half away ,( I was 11) My dad and I drove up there to the location and followed the huge tracks into the trees till I was exhausted,( it was deep snow)At the time the tracks looked weird to me because they were not staggered they were in a straight line about 6 ft apart. Years later i found out that that is the way they are. I’ve talked to lots of witnesses, they are out there, no question.
Yep. It’s hard for me to look at all these and think naaah… none of these people have seen a thing and are all either making something up for attention (not good attention usually mind you) or have lost their minds.
I sort of take the opposite view, this spread of sightings should make finding a verifiable specimen or clear footage much more likely because the population size would need to be big enough to support a cross-continental range. Imo if sightings were strictly limited to the Pacific Northwest for example I’d put more stock in it because it would be a much more strongly defined range
I agree. Many people who have come forward with their own sightings and experiences spent years during and after being ridiculed, bullied, harassed, fired from their jobs, receiving death threats, etc... and they still stuck to their stories. For many of them, it doesn't benefit them in any way to make this shit up. Look at Bob Lazaar. He lost his career, his reputation, he lost EVERYTHING when he went public with his experiences working for Area 51 and repairing the numerous alien aircrafts our govt was in possession of. His life was ruined and still his story never wavered.
It's absolutely mind-blowing to see this on a map though.. What's even crazier is, for ghosts and aliens, a map like this of all their documented sightings would cover almost every inch of this planet.
When people say “well then why haven’t we found them?” I think of this project.
We find them all the time. At least once a month it seems.
We film them occasionally too. We just need a person with the right credentials to become one of the ten people who’ve gotten halfway decent footage, or preferably one of the three people who’ve gotten good footage.
It’s just a spur of the moment thing. To see it and recognize it as a Sasquatch then to pull a camera out and hopefully get a good shot is asking a lot. Patterson got so incredibly lucky it was a clearing with light. Even with how shaky it was it’s still the best. Also most videos caught are taken from a distance too. It’s just incredibly rare to have everything working for you at once
It's a tough question to answer. I respect the indigenous people of North America and this creature is a prominent part of their traditions. So that to me lends credence to it being a real creature. Then there's the matter of evidence. I happen to believe the PG film is legit. Who am I to argue with Professor Krantz? But I'm the same age as that film and I ask myself why is the best piece of evidence 58 years old?
First, I wasn’t convinced they were real until about the last 5 years. I’ve been obsessed with this subject since I was a teenager in the 80s and just wasn’t convinced. I was obsessed because I couldn’t wrap my mind around what the ramifications to the worlds zeitgeist would be if we all knew for a certainty that they’re real.
That Patterson subject is not a human. Its body proportions are not human. Humans legs, normal human being, are 30 percent longer than its arms and torso. Thats for every human, plus or minus 3 %.
Each species on the planet have unique limb and body proportions plus or minus 3 %. Thinker Thunker discovered this. He named it PDNA. Proportional DNA. We finally have a way to prove 100 percent if something has proportions of a human being or not. God is not a human.
The legs of this subject are nearly the same length as is torso and arms. It would be impossible for it to be a human in a suit
There are a several more give aways that also show it’s not a suit but it’s PDNA, really ends the argument. In my opinion.
Its toes lift up 45 degrees from the center of its foot. It has a satchel it’s carrying on its left hip. You can see the muscle groups contracting as it walks. Its mouth moves. It has an injury on its right thigh. The hair has rubbed off on its butt and is sides where the hand and arms have worn it off as it walks. It has a pony tail. Just looking at it with the naked eye, its arms extend almost to the knees. It’s about 6’5. They can tell because it left foot prints and you can measure its height because it shows the bottom of its feet. It has breasts, that move when it walks exactly how natural breasts would move.
My biggest complaint or doubt was that it’s butt, to me looked fake. There was no butt crack. MK Davis stabilize the film and you can see clearly it’s butt crack.
They filmed Man that’s about 66, walking its same path as the cameraman filmed where Patterson filmed the subject.
The subject is 2 to 3 times thicker than the Man that was filmed.
Another fact is the Native Americans have known they are real for hundreds of years. Their ancient photographs depict their interactions with them over the years.
Their verbal history has been passed down generation to generation about the reality of their existence. In fact, every native people of nearly every continent has passed down their knowledge of them. The Native Americans used to trade with them, but when the white man came to the Americas, they retreated into the wildernesses.
Every year there are hundreds of accounts from eyewitnesses that have encountered them. There have been thousands, of official accounts, of people encountering them. The reality is, most eye witnesses, don’t come forward, for fear of ridicule. If that’s the case then there are tens of thousands of first town accounts just over the last hundred years or so.
All of these points, to me, prove well beyond a reasonable doubt that the Patterson subject is not a human, and that they exist.
A skeptic, if they were being honest to themselves, would have a very difficult time overcoming the facts that have been presented to us.
The question is that what is it? All of this information has been released to the public for a long time now. Anybody can find it if they took a couple hours to truly investigate its authenticity.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the biggest story out there right now. The fact that we are not the only bipedal creature and existence, to me, changes my whole paradigm.
Also, the fact that these beings, roam the forests are nearly every continent in the world, should seriously concern all of us.
Everyone who believes in bigfoot practically worships the patterson gimlin film. Yes they are real. Some think they are paranormal interdimensional entities. Others believe in a flesh and blood hominid which inhabits the forest and is very elusive. There is also the videos and the historical context. At this point it would be weirder if bigfoot DIDN'T exist than if he did.
Way too many sightings by people who want nothing to do with it, money, fame- just minding their own business. The people debunking & the people making tv shows are the ones who I don’t believe.
As for Patty? She’s been proven the real deal countless times. In fact, NO ONE has ever been able to prove her a fake. They can’t even produce an exact costume that way, fill it properly, move & film in it with today’s technology without having to rely on today’s special effects/ai, post film.
If Bigfoot does exist, I hope we never find out for sure. I'm certain we will just mess it up like we do with everything by trying to capture and study them.
I don’t try to even try to talk to people about it..I had 2 encounters. In the Patterson film, at this time…this ‘creature’ cannot be a person, the rippling muscles at skin level and proportions that far off human..means it’s mechanical. And a mechanical machine with exact rippling muscles at the right time and the fluid movement means a massive, electrical or hydraulic 8’ robot covered in muscle, tendons, skin and hair would have to be airlifted via helicopter in.
Now..what is more likely when you build a pro/con list is the question once details are lined up.
Well also that was what 40 years ago and making something like that was possible but unlikely. That's the Patterson-Gimlan video I don't know if spelled it right but they have been on record that they where harassed by unknown Mib to tell people it was fake but later admitted that is wasn't what are we supposed to believe? I'm a big believer but like you said it's hard to talk to anyone about especially after the government routinely discredits every believer calling us just crazy. That's the old crowd and we are the new and not easily shook we no we we have seen and encountered.
I want to believe they are. My dad took me to see that quasi Bigfoot documentary back in the 70’s and I was terrified of Bigfoot even in the Ohio suburbs so I have this weird emotional attachment to the legend. That Sid I have spent a lot of time in the woods, and millions of other people have as well and s far as I know we’ve never found a dead one. Not one! Think about that. No one has ever been cutting a road or digging in their back yard and unearthed a skeleton. So if the is “a” Bigfoot as in 1 or even 20, and they live for thousands of years, and all the anecdotal information flow from this tiny group, then well maybe. But for there to be a reproducing population and to never have one have a heart attack and die some where it would be found? I’ve heard it explained that they hide their dead. But every single one?
I absolutely believe they’re real. Just look at the totem poles of the northwestern Native American tribes. They didn’t put fantasy/folklore creatures on them. They only carved actual animals/beings and Bigfoot/sasquatch are depicted on them. That alone is enough for me but beyond that, every tribe on the continent has at least one being/creature in their stories/histories that matches Bigfoot or at least some type of large wild man. Some even go as far as saying that they traded with them.
>no physical evidence ever seems to have been found ever, no carcasses, skeletons, droppings, hair samples, etc
>no good photo/video documentation outside of the Gimlin/Patterson film despite everyone having cameras now and traveling the American mountains often by foot or air
Pros:
>Gimlin/Patterson has not been debunked
>undocumented species are still discovered on land semi regularly
To me, it's possible that up until the 60's they were around but dying out, and now are gone. Patterson may have captured one of the last.
The reason the Patterson film is the only decent evidence is because when you watch it stabilized you can see muscle flexion in the steps and thigh jiggle on the legs. This would be an insane thing for some random guys to be able to create in a costume that would require I guess applying fur/hair/makeup directly to a man's legs no getting in a suit.
It's often said, "Oh sure a couple guys who went out looking for bigfoot just happened to find him? Isn't that a bit of a coincidence?" But no, it's not. It's usually the people most vehemently looking for things that find them. It's ocean researchers looking for shipwrecks that find the shipwrecks, it's other animal researchers looking for extinct species that find those species, it's police looking for a suspect that find the suspect. The fact that the guys went out looking for bigfoot and were "bigfoot guys" makes it more likely they'd have found one such animal and doesn't raise any suspicions to me. I'm not convinced those guys could make the greatest bigfoot suit ever made nor that Bob Heironimous was in it whose story has been contradicted a lot.
Honestly, I’m a skeptic. However, I am intrigued by two main things that keeps my mind open. One the 67 Patterson film and all the breakdowns I have seen of that film and the knowledge of the type of special effects available at that time it just doesn’t look possible to be a man in a suit. however, why is that the last best video evidence of a Bigfoot? The second thing that keeps my mind open is every once in a while I’ll see an eye witness account or they’ll even have a guide talking about something they saw and they don’t want to admit it’s a Bigfoot, butit wasn’t anything they could identify and they were familiar with those woods and the animals around there. And whatever they saw scared to live in hell out of them. I tend to believe they believe what they saw.
1000% real. Look at the armpit skin fold, the muscle definition in the arms and legs. The mid section shows some droopage, which would 1000% be natural and none of this could be this well faked in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Maybe some early CGI stuff would still look wonky, but 90s and early 2ks we started to get decent creations, but nothing like this. This still stands the test of time for me. The curled fingers, the gate, the ironing board turn and look at the men filming. Just 100% perfection for me. They are out there.
Back in 1995, I was at a cabin near Strawberry, up in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California during winter. It had been snowing. I had a vivid dream the night before we were set to leave aboit Bigfoot.
And the next morning as we packed our cars, we fit in one last snowball fight. And then I noticed a print in the ice, a single footprint, heading downhill. You could tell because it looked like a foot. A very large one. No claw indentation and not a bear.
I ran inside the cabin and grabbed a ruler. And I measured the foot and wrote the measurements on a piece of yellow paper. What I'll always remember is seeing the icy snow left between the toes.
Alas, because of the snowball fight, I could not find more prints. But as an experience, it left me with awe.
In the early 80’s I married into the Patterson family. From my understanding this is all real and to them it was just something Roger loved doing. I never met the man as he had passed before then. I know his sister and brother in law they were involved in the transport of the film Roger shot. As far as I know this was all true about the video. In Washington State this is not such a big deal as most just know they exist and leave them alone.
That’s a Sasquatch. They have done all the measurements. Unless there was a 7’2-7’4 female that weighed around 400-500 & was wearing the greatest costume ever made…. which is ludicrous.
There have been over 5,000 sightings around the world. Footprints found & analyzed by Dr. Jeff Meldrum proven to be made by something huge running around in the deep forests of the US/Canada.
Meldrum is not perfect, he’s been purposefully duped by people submitting false prints. It is also unknown at what distance the PGF was filmed and even a dozen feet or so could throw off those calculations dramatically.
Hey I used to consider “ghosts” a pet-belief. For years. Loved ghost stories, never had any exposure to the real deal, so to speak. Until my wife and I moved into our current house in my mid 30’s. There’s absolutely an intelligent being that can be seen moving about the house and be heard responding to questions via digital recorder. It’s a female, and she’s mostly been pretty chill, so we refer to her as our “roommate” and try to be respectful (she does NOT like loud noises). So I can definitely see Squatch’s existence being legitimate with as many firsthand accounts as there are.
Heh I’d love to but I need to figure out who she is, not a crazy old house (1980) but these things can be hard to pin down; and the activity got a little wild last time we tried communicating. Need a good librarian.
Yes, they do exist.
They are very smart and elude humans quite easily. They keep to themselves deep in the woods. Elusive when they choose to expose themselves.
They are out there. An Aunt and uncle saw one on an isolated northern road. I believe them.
A quick Google AI search reveals Patterson never made a "deathbed confession" admitting the film being a hoax. He actually maintained his stance on its authenticity til his death.
I've been staying informed in the bigfoot space for a while now and that's the first I've ever heard of such a thing.
If someone can link an article I'd love to read on it!
I know.
Driving Hwy 101 on the Fall just outside Quilcene, WA a friend and I saw one standing next to a stop sign as we came around the corner where Leland Rd. intersects.
It was much like others have described. Tall as the stop sign, thick neck, very broad shoulders, torso and legs, long arms, kind of a dark rusty brown in color. If there was a slope to the head, it wasn’t prominent from my view. It appeared very healthy. The face was darker and not too ape like.
It was right there. Time slowed down.
As we got closer it started to take a step, moving one foot and swinging an arm. At that point I glanced at a white car coming from the opposite direction when I looked back I was stunned and this is when time really slowed down because it just kind of dissipated up.
Not that I couldn’t speak, but at the time felt like I was tranced. No panic or over excitement just Gobsmacked.
My friend who was driving could only say repeatedly that’s not a bear.
I didn't believe they were real until I was backcountry hiking in New Mexico. We were 3 days into a week long 50 mile hike, so roughly 25-30 miles from the trailhead at mornings start. Several miles down the trail we notice something odd. It had rained a bit the night before so the ground was moist and in this muddy earth there was a clear footprint that was too big to be human. My buddy wears a size 17 shoe and next to it his foot looked like a teenagers. Since the soil was moist the footprint went down a couple of inches and on the side walls of the footprint you could see where it transitioned from like skin to fur. Sure, someone could have come along and put it there but 25+ miles from the trailhead seems a long way to mess with some people. It could have been someone on our crew but the footprints were probably 5 miles from where we started the morning; knowing my crew i highly doubt that one of us walked 10 miles over night to try to prank us into believing Bigfoot.
This kicked off a lifetime of questioning everything.
The Bigfoot in the picture is 100% real, nobody has debunked the film and a “suit” like what’s shown in the PG film wasn’t possible to fabricate at the time.
( unless you subscribe to the government always being however many years ahead of the public in tech )
When you study the film this thing has literal mama titties that move anatomically correct as it walks which is why it’s so easy to tell that it’s a real creature.
When eveyone grows up believing that something is always a certain, then they will continue to die so most of the time even when ample evidence proves the contrary. Especially with a conniving government controlling most aspects of like directly and indirectly.
Thousands of people every year rich, poor, educated, not so educated, Presidents, Doctors, Biologists, Park Rangers, Hunters, Hikers, Campers see and describe the same thing. Native Americans have a recorded history of the same described creature North, South, East and West dated back thousands of years. Vikings that have landed here in America have a record of Bigfoot like creature. People have found evidence foot prints, hand prints, scat, blood DNA, hair samples with skin, all found to be human with Ape DNA not matched to any known creatures. Are these sightings, recordings, records, just BS artists I don’t think so. Unfortunately the scientific community and society needs a dead or alive body or body part to clear the confusion.
Yes, 2 people in my family have seen them, one face to face. I find them to be credible and both have stuck to their stories for like 50 years at this point.
Real, flesh and blood creatures. They are intelligent, though not "human" level intelligent. Humanity is egotistical. Humanity thinks it knows everything, and vilifies anything that runs counter to humanities knowledge. So, if humanity cannot explain it, it's fake. Or, maybe I should use "science" instead of humanity...
They are real, and good at avoiding humans.
Because I believe, I'm asked about this a lot. Think of it this way, if you lived in a big mansion all your life, and someone broke in to kidnap you, you'd probably know where to hide. And, the forest is way bigger than most think.
I do. There’s a doc on Hulu or Netflix where a couple guys tell their story. They become emotional and you can tell what they experienced completely changed their lives. They talk about how much it messed their head up and how they’ll wake up in the middle of the night thinking about it. It’s almost as if they wish they hadn’t seen one. Either they’re telling the truth, or they’re A-list actors who chose the wrong professions.
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Absolutely, inter dimensional being, has been seen along side ufo sightings, perhaps the natural evolution of primates or branch of human that never had its DNA tampered with by Aliens…
There are ancient cave drawings of bigfoots. I ve not ever seen one personally , but I do feel like I was possibly attacked with infrasound from one that was near during an annual AA bbq overnight camping thing on the mountain in near my town in NC. So, yes, i believe they are real. Native Americans have many stories about them.
Bigfoot is real. I've seen one, heard another one, been followed by several, found handprints, found footprints, heard whistles and wood knocks. Not sure what else I can say.
For years, no I thought it was another one of those ridiculous things people created bc of misidentification and imagination.
But I started watching this one YouTubers videos on bigfoot (cabininthewoods, if you're interested, I def suggest checking him out!), and he had a different take on it than I was used to hearing. He treats Bigfoot as an undiscovered hominid, not as a paranormal creature like a skin walker.
There are many unidentified, undocumented species out there to be discovered.
There is the possibility there is an ape-like species that is very reclusive, and intelligent enough to stay far away from humans.
There are tales of Bigfoot-like creatures all over the world, going back centuries, and some people's stories just seem... Like they're being honest? You can hear the genuine awe or terror when they repeat their experiences, and even after decades, they don't change the details. Of course I doubt all of them are real, and sometimes it's just people thinking they saw something they really didn't.
If you do some research into the creature in the photo you posted and the story behind it, it's actually got a lot to back up it's authenticity. It's the patterson-gimlin 'film', shot in the late 60's, and from what I recall, they had gone to this same area many times over a long period and got that footage one time, it's not like they just went out to find Bigfoot and wow! There he is. That would be suspiciously fortunate. There's been a lot of analysis on the creature in the video as well, the way it walks, how it's muscles and fat move, how different its body and gait is compared to a human in a costume, etc.
I think it's a hard thing to believe simply because of the stigma associated with bigfoot and it being lumped in with every other cryptid. There are real creatures that were once reported to be cryptids that were later found to actually exist.
Also (, and I'm an amateur armchair historian at best), it seemed where homo sapiens went, other homo species disappeared. Maybe one species of the genus continued to survive? Just in smaller numbers and far away from our high population areas.
In conclusion, I think it's very possible. And I only became a believer a few months ago lol! I guess I just needed to see it from a different perspective.
No question - a living, breathing, flesh & blood hominid that exists, period. No portals, Aliens or UFOS involved (and the 'paranormal' path some follow does little to help any serious investigation.) While I don't believe they have any mystical 'cloaking' abilities, I do think that infrasound, or something like it, is involved there. Countless legitimate eyewitness accounts/reports are on record, as are legitimate casts of footprints with visible dermal ridge patterns. At this point, I don't know what I would do if I had legitimate, irrefutable proof such as a clear photo or video footage - where would you go with it? Posting it on the internet willy nilly would, IMO, be reckless and surely endanger a population that isn't as big as many speculate it to be. I am certain that there are agencies who are well aware of them and bodies have been recovered.
I think it’s possible such a thing exists, just not probable. I spend a lot of time hiking/camping in the Pacific Northwest including in areas referred to as the Bigfoot Highway. In all of my years in those areas I have never once seen or heard anything that makes me think such a creature is running around out there. At the same time though, those woods are THICK! In some of those areas an elephant could be 20 yards from you and you would have no idea. I can’t tell you how many times a deer, bear, and even elk have jumped out in front of me almost close enough to shake hands and I never knew they were there. I also have a very difficult time dismissing so many witness accounts. Sure, some of them are on the spectrum, but some of them come very credible people including Individuals trained to be good observers such as law enforcement. So, at the end of the day, I’m a bit skeptical, but wouldn’t be really surprised if it turns out such a thing really is living out there. As for the Patty film, I still don’t know what to think about it. It’s never been proven to be the real thing and it’s never been confirmed a hoax.
Im not sure. I’d like to believe. It would be pretty cool. But some people talk about Bigfoot the same way they talk about God: it can turn invisible, walk through walls, read your mind, shoot lightning at you, and so on and so forth. If Bigfoot is real, it’s an animal. Nothing more.
Yes, I believe big foot are real based on the evidence; duration and consistency . Perhaps they are the original inhabitants of this planet and we are rapidly evolving hybrids.
I think it's most likely his friend or Patterson himself in a suit...but I believe that Sasquash, Bigfoot, Almasty, Yeti and all those enormous hominids walked and maybe still walk the face of the earth somewhere remote...they are or were real, that's not up for debate.
My opinion, probably not, but it's just silly to make a statement of absolution on either side. As humans we think we've got some kind of control over nature. Plenty of people think there's nothing left to discover, but the fact is, there's more we don't know about nature and our planet than what science has found. Logic tells me that bigfoot is a construct of the human brain, my hope tells me they are out there and something beyond logic. I guess it's simply that bigfoot is as real as you let it be. I doubt it's out there, but then again, I've heard things while hunting and camping in the Cascades wilderness that I can't explain.
Yep, they’re real. Thread locked.
In my Undergrad at Idaho State, I took a class taught by Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum. The class was evolutionary biology and had nothing to do with any cryptids.
At the end of the semester, Dr. Meldrum taught a three hour class on his understanding and evidence of Big Foot. Kind of as a treat to the class.
Keep in mind, Dr. Meldrum was one of the most intelligent and articulate people I have ever known or have ever listened to. The class was mind blowing. He dove into the musculature of the feet, the motion of the animal, the parallels to other primates and known behavior of extinct homo species. He even discusses where the hoaxes are easily identifiable, and how to spot genuine cases. The class was amazing. Ever since then I don't doubt that a Sasquatch species could exist in relatively small numbers.
Rest in peace, Dr. Meldrum.
Wow! you're very lucky to have had that experience!
Rip Dr. Meldrum. A true giant of the field of Sasquatchery
RIP Dr. Incredible you got to learn from that man. Cherish it.
He spoke to our local MUFON chapter a few years ago and he was impressive! RIP.
Wait a F'in minute! Are you serious!? Dr. M passed away! Why haven't I heard about this I've been off internet and socials for a little bit now but I think something like that I woulda heard about...when did this happen?
Yeah I missed that too, September, brain cancer, it was very sudden
Back in September. He passed away from cancer, unfortunately.
What? I had no idea either! Crazy!
Holy fuck I didn’t know we lost Meldrum :(
Wow ! I would have loved to sit in on that class ! Lucky lucky you !
They’ve found people in the Himalayas that have different genetics than the actual Homo Sapiens. They seem to be in between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens, possibly even surviving Homo Erectus. They’re a small secluded tribe in the mountains. I can’t remember where I read it or I’d source it, and I can’t remember how they were discovered but it was a cool rabbit hole I found awhile back.
I think they are real. I don't believe they travel thru portals or anything nonsensical. I believe they are really good at avoiding us and the forest is really large and a good place to hide.
Too much evidence on people seeing them over the centuries not to believe in them.
Native Americans have seen these things for years and it's not just one tribe it's several just like the SkinWalker it's terrified them for hundreds of years.
Not only native Americans. Pretty much every nation on earth has centuries old stories about large hairy apes that have human-like faces. That's not nothing
Just to turn it around for argument. Giants are also prevalent in many cultures. More popular than hairy ape-men. Is it more likely Giants or Bigfoot are real?
Why aren't the Bigfoots the explanation for the legends of giants in different cultures?
Fair enough. I think that's a great turnabout for my argument. I'm still a hopeful skeptic and would love to see one from a good distance.
As a female i wanna say I'd be scared shitless if I ever got close to one but so excited at the same time just because it seems like such an awesome experience.
Maybe it's both. Plenty of old newspaper articles exist if finding giant bones.
Also little furry guys. I wonder if australopithecines made it farther than we’ve found in the fossil record.
True. I didn't even think about skinwalkers.....
I don't know if they are real (probably not). But if they are real--they most certainly do things paranormal. If you're going to believe people's stories you have to take into account them saying they see these beings shapeshift, move in a way that doesn't correspond to our physical laws, and communicate telepathically.
A lot of people do believe the woo side of Bigfoot though and claim to have seen lights or the presence of the creature suddenly disappearing. Why do you choose not to believe all those people versus the ones that just claim there’s a very large primate we’ve never collected a specimen of?
I fully understand the vast range of forests that bigfoot would inhabit. But even in that huge area, there are tens of thousands of trail cameras. The fact is, there should be a clear and decent picture of them by now. I understand the argument that those cameras could be recognized and avoided, but that makes no sense when this supposed animal runs into human beings so often. A camera doesn't move or smell or make sound like a human does, so how is it that a creature like this could take such caution to avoid a camera and yet still be seen by people so often?
If they are ordinary creatures essentially then it makes no sense that they haven’t been picked up on trail cameras or someone hasn’t hunted one yet
so why no fossil record? poop? bones? animals they hunted? their abodes?
My theory was that Bigfoot were a species similar to humans and Neanderthals, both of which are confirmed to have buried their dead for tens of thousands of years. Lack of footage due to the species becoming extinct around the same time as everyone started carrying cameras and recording everything.
But I don't believe in it. That was just my theory when I did.
But I find it absolutely fascinating how Native Americans (and other peoples) have a history of Bigfoot or Bigfoot like creatures and how consistent they are between them. Probably the product of neanderthals after tens of thousands of years of verbal history and storytelling but idk
If theyre close enough to humans any fossils would be misinterpreted as neanderthal.
And poop? How would anyone recognize it? How long would it survive in the elements? At first glance it would be indistinguishable from any other large mammal.
And a pile of busted elk bones would be indistinguishable from being killed by a bear or wolf or Bigfoot. If nature just lets dead bodies lay around indefinitely, which it doesn't. Once the predators are done, any remnants are scattered to oblivion by the smaller animals. The window to find such things is measured in hours.
And we do find their abodes. Grass huts. Broken branch lean-to's. Those are found and documented all the time.
Eyewitness accounts are the most unreliable form of evidence though and AFAIK there is no real physical evidence.
I dunno I want to say yes but as large as some of our forests are it’s still difficult for me to accept there’s a species living topside with such intelligence that they are able to premeditate avoidance and secrecy.. the Patterson film still intrigues me though. It’s a rough call but I lean towards no
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Its like the ufo phenomena...too many people have had encounters to dismiss it. SOMETHING is going on.
Its hard to swallow that its mass misidentification, especially with reports of folks seeing these things cross or walk along the road FEET away from them. Many, many people have stories of seeing these things or having some type of encounter that just can't be logically explained except for...they saw a sasquatch.
That something is mass misidentification. To be clear, most Bigfoot sightings happened after the release of the Patterson film, and it should be no surprise that the majority of Bigfoot sightings have occurred after the Patterson film became famous;
People are remarkably good at fooling themselves into thinking they say one thing, when really they have seen another, after being influenced by the media they consume.
Some other great examples of this include; - the vast majority of alleged alien sightings and encounters happened after the Roswell Incident became famous. - Nessie being described as a plesiosaur only happened after "The Lost World" (not JP) was released in theaters, and importantly that depiction is now known to be completely unscientific and is not what these animals were like in life. - Mokele-mbembe only stated getting described as a sauropod when Europeans adapted the myths about it to try and fit their understanding of biology at the time. Its depiction as a water-wading Sauropod is now known to be unscientific and is not what these animals were like in life.
The reality is that misidentification of animals is pretty common, and even experienced hunters/woodsman do it (and any who claim otherwise is a fool). Importantly, if Bigfoot was real we would have remains of it by now... But we don't... And all proposed Bigfoot remains that have actually been studied (because the people pushing these as Bigfoot remains are often hesitant to allow them to be studied as they don't want the "jig to be up" as it were) have be verified to not be the remains of some unknown primate.
I saw bigfoot and I still rationally doubt its existence
What, how, why, we have questions
My mom and stepdad swear they were chased my one one night out snowmobiling. I don't have any reason to think she's a liar.
I'd love to hear the full story of this
I actually posted it on a couple subreddits I think, a few years ago but I can't find it. I found it on accident because it was quoted a few different places but now it's completely missing lol
Edit: come back, I'll tell the story.
So i guess they were riding double on a snowmobile somewhere between Ottawa and Utica il on the I&M canal. They're on the tow-path next to the canal and see a huge dude on the frozen canal and he looks at them and just starts chasing them.
She mentions the smell every time she tells the story which is even more wild because that old snowmobile could do at least 45mph and she could still smell it like that. I don't know how long but it was keeping up for a while before it gave up. I couldn't guess a year, late 90s early 00s.
Remindme! 15 minutes
Dude that's actually crazy, there are other reports of cryptids in that area of Illinois!
There's a super sus chemical company in LaSalle that some older folks claim were working close with the military. That'd explain the backwards barbed wire fencing I guess.
Did they actually see it? This sounds like an amazing tale.
I updated it
They’re not lying for honestly being mistaken.
If you’re going to go through the trouble of making a “Bigfoot suit” you certainly wouldn’t bother making one with breasts. I think this is the best real footage
Before the PGF was filmed Patterson illustrated a book about Bigfoot. His Bigfoot had breasts. So Patterson might have been the exact person who would have had a suit with breasts.
That doesn’t explain seeing her muscle movement as she walks though, it’s too natural the way she moves to be someone in a suit or costume, not to mention size
How how the foot moved. They said if they made a costume during thay time it would be a solid boot and would have zero arching or bending action.
Exactly
Patterson had no skill set to fake an anthropologically correct primate suit. If anything he would have just bought a gorilla costume and called it a day. But that's not what's on film. The proportions are all wrong.
That’s actually exactly what’s alleged, he bought the suit. The alleged suitmaker gave him ways you could correct the proportions. Not unusual for costume designers.
The alleged suit maker can only do so much. The more you put padding on, the more you contain and hide the interior movement.
The height to width ratio of what's on film is simply beyond human ability. You can compare it to the height to width ratio of other famous bigfoots like Andre the Giant or Ted Cassidy from The Six Million Dollar man, shot only a few years later. Neither of those two duplicate the Patterson film, despite having the budget of a huge movie studio behind the biggest TV hit of that time.
We do not know the length of proportions because they are only estimates. This is because we do not know the exact distance the PGF was filmed at. Even a 10m can change the estimated proportions by feet which turns the unhuman into human or human into unhuman.
Also you would release more than 59 seconds of film. Nothing more than 59 seconds of the most famous cryptid encounter to be filmed? If it was fake there would be more footage.
Isn’t the premise of this sub that we do believe?
Absolutely
This is a sub dedicated to the idea why even ask such a question.
I've seen one they're very much real
Care to tell your encounter?
I don’t think we have evidence Bigfoot/Sasquatch exists. I’m not exactly saying they don’t exist, we just don’t have good enough evidence. I’ve seen a lot on the PGF and the arguments go back and forth for me. Some people see muscle mass while others see fabric folding. Some say that no costume from the era could have been that good but I don’t believe any similar attempt has been made as even the BBC footage used a costume a company had on hand at that point and not one made by the original alleged costume maker. It’s fantastic footage I love hearing the merits for and against like a thought experiment, but I don’t think it’s sufficient evidence to say a marvellous primate exists.
In terms of the eye witness accounts? Who am I to really say, I wasn’t there. But, a lot of people don’t claim to have long term, clear, visual exposure to these primates. One thing I often think about when considering Bigfoot encounters is the story of truckers seeing a black dog shortly before an accident. Again, I have to ask what’s more likely, people’s brains are associating things they saw with popular cultural myths or there’s a marvellous primate species living out there that we’ve never gathered concrete evidence for? Occam’s razor has to apply for me. No Bigfoot.
I think you either do or you don't. Don't recall the show but didn't they re-analyze the footage of the original Patterson film on some history channel show? I remember it being very convincing showing muscle movement, foot flexing up on the step and like the leg hair changing when the hand swept back across it like real hair or fur would. I think for those that don't they are stuck on everything being a person in a costume and nothing but a body would change their minds.
Yep those are definitely the two possibilities
Monsterquest. Pretty sure there’s about 6-7 episodes throughout the series on Bigfoot.
The one I'm thinking was more recent. It was within the year or at most last yr. They had 3 guys 1 a computer guy who analyzes footage and other smart people stuff. The other was a famous costume maker in Hollywood back during that time and the last was the Dr who's in every bigfoot movie de meldrem? Meldrum?
On Bigfoot: Legend meets science
Basically, it has to happen to you personally.
I always "believed" in sasquatch, but after i had a visual encounter with this creature that supposedly doesn't exist, i can't say i believe in them any more. I KNOW they are real.
The real question then becomes: "what the hell are they??"
My personal opinion is a relic hominid. If we were alive 40-50,000 years ago, we would be existing alongside other hominid species. Neanderthals, denisovans etc. It would be normal to us to see other upright walking creatures that aren't human.
Mind sharing your encounter?
For sure, they are real. If you need convincing tune into Wes Kramer at “Sasquatch Chronicles”.I think I saw one when I was about 5 . At my grandparents farm( with my older cousins). It was at the back of the property in the swamp.At the time we referred to it as a hobo. We thought it was dressed in old rags, torn and hanging off its arms. It was on the far end of a pasture. We would see it at night or evening , in the moonlight or low lighting.We were kinda spooked and kept our distance. We thought that his hair was messy and long and had full facial hair. We thought that he had old rags around his feet and figured he was filthy.At the time we never put it together as what we were looking at. Just assumed it was a grubby old hobo.Hard to say now.Years later there was a report in the newspaper of a sighting about an hour and a half away ,( I was 11) My dad and I drove up there to the location and followed the huge tracks into the trees till I was exhausted,( it was deep snow)At the time the tracks looked weird to me because they were not staggered they were in a straight line about 6 ft apart. Years later i found out that that is the way they are. I’ve talked to lots of witnesses, they are out there, no question.
Thanks for sharing
Statistically speaking, I find it hard to believe there are that many completely crazy people, all somehow seeing similar things. I’m a believer.
This right here is one of many reasons why I also wholeheartedly believe in aliens and ghosts.
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Yep. It’s hard for me to look at all these and think naaah… none of these people have seen a thing and are all either making something up for attention (not good attention usually mind you) or have lost their minds.
I sort of take the opposite view, this spread of sightings should make finding a verifiable specimen or clear footage much more likely because the population size would need to be big enough to support a cross-continental range. Imo if sightings were strictly limited to the Pacific Northwest for example I’d put more stock in it because it would be a much more strongly defined range
I agree. Many people who have come forward with their own sightings and experiences spent years during and after being ridiculed, bullied, harassed, fired from their jobs, receiving death threats, etc... and they still stuck to their stories. For many of them, it doesn't benefit them in any way to make this shit up. Look at Bob Lazaar. He lost his career, his reputation, he lost EVERYTHING when he went public with his experiences working for Area 51 and repairing the numerous alien aircrafts our govt was in possession of. His life was ruined and still his story never wavered.
It's absolutely mind-blowing to see this on a map though.. What's even crazier is, for ghosts and aliens, a map like this of all their documented sightings would cover almost every inch of this planet.
When people say “well then why haven’t we found them?” I think of this project.
We find them all the time. At least once a month it seems.
We film them occasionally too. We just need a person with the right credentials to become one of the ten people who’ve gotten halfway decent footage, or preferably one of the three people who’ve gotten good footage.
It’s just a spur of the moment thing. To see it and recognize it as a Sasquatch then to pull a camera out and hopefully get a good shot is asking a lot. Patterson got so incredibly lucky it was a clearing with light. Even with how shaky it was it’s still the best. Also most videos caught are taken from a distance too. It’s just incredibly rare to have everything working for you at once
Bigfoot is like the lottery. Sure, there is a chance, but the real fun is in thinking what-if.
He is 100 percent real
I hope they do. I think they probably don’t, but, I hope I get to see myself proven wrong.
Yes the forest people are real
It's a tough question to answer. I respect the indigenous people of North America and this creature is a prominent part of their traditions. So that to me lends credence to it being a real creature. Then there's the matter of evidence. I happen to believe the PG film is legit. Who am I to argue with Professor Krantz? But I'm the same age as that film and I ask myself why is the best piece of evidence 58 years old?
I believe.
Bigfoot saw me last week but his friends don't believe him.
First, I wasn’t convinced they were real until about the last 5 years. I’ve been obsessed with this subject since I was a teenager in the 80s and just wasn’t convinced. I was obsessed because I couldn’t wrap my mind around what the ramifications to the worlds zeitgeist would be if we all knew for a certainty that they’re real.
That Patterson subject is not a human. Its body proportions are not human. Humans legs, normal human being, are 30 percent longer than its arms and torso. Thats for every human, plus or minus 3 %.
Each species on the planet have unique limb and body proportions plus or minus 3 %. Thinker Thunker discovered this. He named it PDNA. Proportional DNA. We finally have a way to prove 100 percent if something has proportions of a human being or not. God is not a human.
The legs of this subject are nearly the same length as is torso and arms. It would be impossible for it to be a human in a suit
There are a several more give aways that also show it’s not a suit but it’s PDNA, really ends the argument. In my opinion.
Its toes lift up 45 degrees from the center of its foot. It has a satchel it’s carrying on its left hip. You can see the muscle groups contracting as it walks. Its mouth moves. It has an injury on its right thigh. The hair has rubbed off on its butt and is sides where the hand and arms have worn it off as it walks. It has a pony tail. Just looking at it with the naked eye, its arms extend almost to the knees. It’s about 6’5. They can tell because it left foot prints and you can measure its height because it shows the bottom of its feet. It has breasts, that move when it walks exactly how natural breasts would move.
My biggest complaint or doubt was that it’s butt, to me looked fake. There was no butt crack. MK Davis stabilize the film and you can see clearly it’s butt crack.
They filmed Man that’s about 66, walking its same path as the cameraman filmed where Patterson filmed the subject.
The subject is 2 to 3 times thicker than the Man that was filmed.
Another fact is the Native Americans have known they are real for hundreds of years. Their ancient photographs depict their interactions with them over the years.
Their verbal history has been passed down generation to generation about the reality of their existence. In fact, every native people of nearly every continent has passed down their knowledge of them. The Native Americans used to trade with them, but when the white man came to the Americas, they retreated into the wildernesses.
Every year there are hundreds of accounts from eyewitnesses that have encountered them. There have been thousands, of official accounts, of people encountering them. The reality is, most eye witnesses, don’t come forward, for fear of ridicule. If that’s the case then there are tens of thousands of first town accounts just over the last hundred years or so.
All of these points, to me, prove well beyond a reasonable doubt that the Patterson subject is not a human, and that they exist.
A skeptic, if they were being honest to themselves, would have a very difficult time overcoming the facts that have been presented to us.
The question is that what is it? All of this information has been released to the public for a long time now. Anybody can find it if they took a couple hours to truly investigate its authenticity.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the biggest story out there right now. The fact that we are not the only bipedal creature and existence, to me, changes my whole paradigm.
Also, the fact that these beings, roam the forests are nearly every continent in the world, should seriously concern all of us.
They’re definitely real.
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Everyone who believes in bigfoot practically worships the patterson gimlin film. Yes they are real. Some think they are paranormal interdimensional entities. Others believe in a flesh and blood hominid which inhabits the forest and is very elusive. There is also the videos and the historical context. At this point it would be weirder if bigfoot DIDN'T exist than if he did.
Way too many sightings by people who want nothing to do with it, money, fame- just minding their own business. The people debunking & the people making tv shows are the ones who I don’t believe.
As for Patty? She’s been proven the real deal countless times. In fact, NO ONE has ever been able to prove her a fake. They can’t even produce an exact costume that way, fill it properly, move & film in it with today’s technology without having to rely on today’s special effects/ai, post film.
If Bigfoot does exist, I hope we never find out for sure. I'm certain we will just mess it up like we do with everything by trying to capture and study them.
Had an encounter with one at close range as a kid. Zero doubts in my mind.
I've seen one back in 88. They are real . It was minding its business and I was minding mine.
I don’t try to even try to talk to people about it..I had 2 encounters. In the Patterson film, at this time…this ‘creature’ cannot be a person, the rippling muscles at skin level and proportions that far off human..means it’s mechanical. And a mechanical machine with exact rippling muscles at the right time and the fluid movement means a massive, electrical or hydraulic 8’ robot covered in muscle, tendons, skin and hair would have to be airlifted via helicopter in. Now..what is more likely when you build a pro/con list is the question once details are lined up.
Well also that was what 40 years ago and making something like that was possible but unlikely. That's the Patterson-Gimlan video I don't know if spelled it right but they have been on record that they where harassed by unknown Mib to tell people it was fake but later admitted that is wasn't what are we supposed to believe? I'm a big believer but like you said it's hard to talk to anyone about especially after the government routinely discredits every believer calling us just crazy. That's the old crowd and we are the new and not easily shook we no we we have seen and encountered.
Yes because I saw one
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I want to believe they are. My dad took me to see that quasi Bigfoot documentary back in the 70’s and I was terrified of Bigfoot even in the Ohio suburbs so I have this weird emotional attachment to the legend. That Sid I have spent a lot of time in the woods, and millions of other people have as well and s far as I know we’ve never found a dead one. Not one! Think about that. No one has ever been cutting a road or digging in their back yard and unearthed a skeleton. So if the is “a” Bigfoot as in 1 or even 20, and they live for thousands of years, and all the anecdotal information flow from this tiny group, then well maybe. But for there to be a reproducing population and to never have one have a heart attack and die some where it would be found? I’ve heard it explained that they hide their dead. But every single one?
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I absolutely believe they’re real. Just look at the totem poles of the northwestern Native American tribes. They didn’t put fantasy/folklore creatures on them. They only carved actual animals/beings and Bigfoot/sasquatch are depicted on them. That alone is enough for me but beyond that, every tribe on the continent has at least one being/creature in their stories/histories that matches Bigfoot or at least some type of large wild man. Some even go as far as saying that they traded with them.
There’s never been proof of I’ve but maybe there will be one some day
Yes, i believe Bigfoot is real.100%
Can someone explain the fossil record aspect?
If Gigantopithecuses are actual apes with fossil records, why not have a different big ape somewhere?
It’s real
100% real
I dunno.
Cons:
>no physical evidence ever seems to have been found ever, no carcasses, skeletons, droppings, hair samples, etc
>no good photo/video documentation outside of the Gimlin/Patterson film despite everyone having cameras now and traveling the American mountains often by foot or air
Pros:
>Gimlin/Patterson has not been debunked
>undocumented species are still discovered on land semi regularly
To me, it's possible that up until the 60's they were around but dying out, and now are gone. Patterson may have captured one of the last.
The reason the Patterson film is the only decent evidence is because when you watch it stabilized you can see muscle flexion in the steps and thigh jiggle on the legs. This would be an insane thing for some random guys to be able to create in a costume that would require I guess applying fur/hair/makeup directly to a man's legs no getting in a suit.
It's often said, "Oh sure a couple guys who went out looking for bigfoot just happened to find him? Isn't that a bit of a coincidence?" But no, it's not. It's usually the people most vehemently looking for things that find them. It's ocean researchers looking for shipwrecks that find the shipwrecks, it's other animal researchers looking for extinct species that find those species, it's police looking for a suspect that find the suspect. The fact that the guys went out looking for bigfoot and were "bigfoot guys" makes it more likely they'd have found one such animal and doesn't raise any suspicions to me. I'm not convinced those guys could make the greatest bigfoot suit ever made nor that Bob Heironimous was in it whose story has been contradicted a lot.
They are the real deal.
Honestly, I’m a skeptic. However, I am intrigued by two main things that keeps my mind open. One the 67 Patterson film and all the breakdowns I have seen of that film and the knowledge of the type of special effects available at that time it just doesn’t look possible to be a man in a suit. however, why is that the last best video evidence of a Bigfoot? The second thing that keeps my mind open is every once in a while I’ll see an eye witness account or they’ll even have a guide talking about something they saw and they don’t want to admit it’s a Bigfoot, butit wasn’t anything they could identify and they were familiar with those woods and the animals around there. And whatever they saw scared to live in hell out of them. I tend to believe they believe what they saw.
1000% real. Look at the armpit skin fold, the muscle definition in the arms and legs. The mid section shows some droopage, which would 1000% be natural and none of this could be this well faked in the 60s, 70s, or 80s. Maybe some early CGI stuff would still look wonky, but 90s and early 2ks we started to get decent creations, but nothing like this. This still stands the test of time for me. The curled fingers, the gate, the ironing board turn and look at the men filming. Just 100% perfection for me. They are out there.
Yes but there's a lot of hoaxes muddying the waters.
Back in 1995, I was at a cabin near Strawberry, up in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California during winter. It had been snowing. I had a vivid dream the night before we were set to leave aboit Bigfoot.
And the next morning as we packed our cars, we fit in one last snowball fight. And then I noticed a print in the ice, a single footprint, heading downhill. You could tell because it looked like a foot. A very large one. No claw indentation and not a bear.
I ran inside the cabin and grabbed a ruler. And I measured the foot and wrote the measurements on a piece of yellow paper. What I'll always remember is seeing the icy snow left between the toes.
Alas, because of the snowball fight, I could not find more prints. But as an experience, it left me with awe.
i see it same way we don’t know what’s in the deep oceans, same with the forests and jungles.
Yes I think Bigfoot is real, and yes that picture is of a real Bigfoot.
In the early 80’s I married into the Patterson family. From my understanding this is all real and to them it was just something Roger loved doing. I never met the man as he had passed before then. I know his sister and brother in law they were involved in the transport of the film Roger shot. As far as I know this was all true about the video. In Washington State this is not such a big deal as most just know they exist and leave them alone.
That’s a Sasquatch. They have done all the measurements. Unless there was a 7’2-7’4 female that weighed around 400-500 & was wearing the greatest costume ever made…. which is ludicrous.
There have been over 5,000 sightings around the world. Footprints found & analyzed by Dr. Jeff Meldrum proven to be made by something huge running around in the deep forests of the US/Canada.
Meldrum is not perfect, he’s been purposefully duped by people submitting false prints. It is also unknown at what distance the PGF was filmed and even a dozen feet or so could throw off those calculations dramatically.
Hey I used to consider “ghosts” a pet-belief. For years. Loved ghost stories, never had any exposure to the real deal, so to speak. Until my wife and I moved into our current house in my mid 30’s. There’s absolutely an intelligent being that can be seen moving about the house and be heard responding to questions via digital recorder. It’s a female, and she’s mostly been pretty chill, so we refer to her as our “roommate” and try to be respectful (she does NOT like loud noises). So I can definitely see Squatch’s existence being legitimate with as many firsthand accounts as there are.
You could probably write a cool book documenting these occurrences
Heh I’d love to but I need to figure out who she is, not a crazy old house (1980) but these things can be hard to pin down; and the activity got a little wild last time we tried communicating. Need a good librarian.
You are posting in a BF sub, so yea, most are going to say yes
I KNOW Bigfoot is real.
Yes
I think there’s a chance
I have believed on Bigfoot since I saw the Gimlin film many years ago!!
I think there COULD be a great ape species living in the wild in the Americas, somewhere. Likely? Nope. But possible, maybe.
We are way past “is it real.” Now the question is why is it kept a secret in some countries, especially the United States.
Yes, they do exist. They are very smart and elude humans quite easily. They keep to themselves deep in the woods. Elusive when they choose to expose themselves.
They are out there. An Aunt and uncle saw one on an isolated northern road. I believe them.
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A quick Google AI search reveals Patterson never made a "deathbed confession" admitting the film being a hoax. He actually maintained his stance on its authenticity til his death.
I've been staying informed in the bigfoot space for a while now and that's the first I've ever heard of such a thing.
If someone can link an article I'd love to read on it!
I know. Driving Hwy 101 on the Fall just outside Quilcene, WA a friend and I saw one standing next to a stop sign as we came around the corner where Leland Rd. intersects. It was much like others have described. Tall as the stop sign, thick neck, very broad shoulders, torso and legs, long arms, kind of a dark rusty brown in color. If there was a slope to the head, it wasn’t prominent from my view. It appeared very healthy. The face was darker and not too ape like. It was right there. Time slowed down. As we got closer it started to take a step, moving one foot and swinging an arm. At that point I glanced at a white car coming from the opposite direction when I looked back I was stunned and this is when time really slowed down because it just kind of dissipated up. Not that I couldn’t speak, but at the time felt like I was tranced. No panic or over excitement just Gobsmacked. My friend who was driving could only say repeatedly that’s not a bear.
yes, i think i saw one in 2013 crossing the interstate in the middle of nowhere louisiana at 5am
I didn't believe they were real until I was backcountry hiking in New Mexico. We were 3 days into a week long 50 mile hike, so roughly 25-30 miles from the trailhead at mornings start. Several miles down the trail we notice something odd. It had rained a bit the night before so the ground was moist and in this muddy earth there was a clear footprint that was too big to be human. My buddy wears a size 17 shoe and next to it his foot looked like a teenagers. Since the soil was moist the footprint went down a couple of inches and on the side walls of the footprint you could see where it transitioned from like skin to fur. Sure, someone could have come along and put it there but 25+ miles from the trailhead seems a long way to mess with some people. It could have been someone on our crew but the footprints were probably 5 miles from where we started the morning; knowing my crew i highly doubt that one of us walked 10 miles over night to try to prank us into believing Bigfoot. This kicked off a lifetime of questioning everything.
I know women in real life who got tits less real than those
The Bigfoot in the picture is 100% real, nobody has debunked the film and a “suit” like what’s shown in the PG film wasn’t possible to fabricate at the time.
( unless you subscribe to the government always being however many years ahead of the public in tech )
When you study the film this thing has literal mama titties that move anatomically correct as it walks which is why it’s so easy to tell that it’s a real creature.
When eveyone grows up believing that something is always a certain, then they will continue to die so most of the time even when ample evidence proves the contrary. Especially with a conniving government controlling most aspects of like directly and indirectly.
Thousands of people every year rich, poor, educated, not so educated, Presidents, Doctors, Biologists, Park Rangers, Hunters, Hikers, Campers see and describe the same thing. Native Americans have a recorded history of the same described creature North, South, East and West dated back thousands of years. Vikings that have landed here in America have a record of Bigfoot like creature. People have found evidence foot prints, hand prints, scat, blood DNA, hair samples with skin, all found to be human with Ape DNA not matched to any known creatures. Are these sightings, recordings, records, just BS artists I don’t think so. Unfortunately the scientific community and society needs a dead or alive body or body part to clear the confusion.
Yes, 2 people in my family have seen them, one face to face. I find them to be credible and both have stuck to their stories for like 50 years at this point.
Too many people are seeing something
They are everywhere out here in the Ozarks. I know they are real from personal experience.
Imagine coming into a subreddit about Bigfoot and asking if anyone actually thinks Bigfoot is real lol
It's funny you say that because the photo you showed from the patterson film is of a real Sasquatch.
Real, flesh and blood creatures. They are intelligent, though not "human" level intelligent. Humanity is egotistical. Humanity thinks it knows everything, and vilifies anything that runs counter to humanities knowledge. So, if humanity cannot explain it, it's fake. Or, maybe I should use "science" instead of humanity... They are real, and good at avoiding humans.
Because I believe, I'm asked about this a lot. Think of it this way, if you lived in a big mansion all your life, and someone broke in to kidnap you, you'd probably know where to hide. And, the forest is way bigger than most think.
Just my opinion.
I do. There’s a doc on Hulu or Netflix where a couple guys tell their story. They become emotional and you can tell what they experienced completely changed their lives. They talk about how much it messed their head up and how they’ll wake up in the middle of the night thinking about it. It’s almost as if they wish they hadn’t seen one. Either they’re telling the truth, or they’re A-list actors who chose the wrong professions.
You don't remember the name of it?
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Real, yes or at least was recently
No, but I damn sure wish they were.
Real
Yes
Absolutely, inter dimensional being, has been seen along side ufo sightings, perhaps the natural evolution of primates or branch of human that never had its DNA tampered with by Aliens…
There are ancient cave drawings of bigfoots. I ve not ever seen one personally , but I do feel like I was possibly attacked with infrasound from one that was near during an annual AA bbq overnight camping thing on the mountain in near my town in NC. So, yes, i believe they are real. Native Americans have many stories about them.
These are the cryptid I believe are 100% real Mothman Bigfoot Skinwalkers Chupacabr Loch Ness Monster Jersey Devil
It might not be Bigfoot, but something definitely exists that we don’t know of, so why not Bigfoot?
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Bigfoot is real. I've seen one, heard another one, been followed by several, found handprints, found footprints, heard whistles and wood knocks. Not sure what else I can say.
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For years, no I thought it was another one of those ridiculous things people created bc of misidentification and imagination. But I started watching this one YouTubers videos on bigfoot (cabininthewoods, if you're interested, I def suggest checking him out!), and he had a different take on it than I was used to hearing. He treats Bigfoot as an undiscovered hominid, not as a paranormal creature like a skin walker.
There are many unidentified, undocumented species out there to be discovered. There is the possibility there is an ape-like species that is very reclusive, and intelligent enough to stay far away from humans.
There are tales of Bigfoot-like creatures all over the world, going back centuries, and some people's stories just seem... Like they're being honest? You can hear the genuine awe or terror when they repeat their experiences, and even after decades, they don't change the details. Of course I doubt all of them are real, and sometimes it's just people thinking they saw something they really didn't.
If you do some research into the creature in the photo you posted and the story behind it, it's actually got a lot to back up it's authenticity. It's the patterson-gimlin 'film', shot in the late 60's, and from what I recall, they had gone to this same area many times over a long period and got that footage one time, it's not like they just went out to find Bigfoot and wow! There he is. That would be suspiciously fortunate. There's been a lot of analysis on the creature in the video as well, the way it walks, how it's muscles and fat move, how different its body and gait is compared to a human in a costume, etc.
I think it's a hard thing to believe simply because of the stigma associated with bigfoot and it being lumped in with every other cryptid. There are real creatures that were once reported to be cryptids that were later found to actually exist.
Also (, and I'm an amateur armchair historian at best), it seemed where homo sapiens went, other homo species disappeared. Maybe one species of the genus continued to survive? Just in smaller numbers and far away from our high population areas.
In conclusion, I think it's very possible. And I only became a believer a few months ago lol! I guess I just needed to see it from a different perspective.
No question - a living, breathing, flesh & blood hominid that exists, period. No portals, Aliens or UFOS involved (and the 'paranormal' path some follow does little to help any serious investigation.) While I don't believe they have any mystical 'cloaking' abilities, I do think that infrasound, or something like it, is involved there. Countless legitimate eyewitness accounts/reports are on record, as are legitimate casts of footprints with visible dermal ridge patterns. At this point, I don't know what I would do if I had legitimate, irrefutable proof such as a clear photo or video footage - where would you go with it? Posting it on the internet willy nilly would, IMO, be reckless and surely endanger a population that isn't as big as many speculate it to be. I am certain that there are agencies who are well aware of them and bodies have been recovered.
Real
I think it’s possible such a thing exists, just not probable. I spend a lot of time hiking/camping in the Pacific Northwest including in areas referred to as the Bigfoot Highway. In all of my years in those areas I have never once seen or heard anything that makes me think such a creature is running around out there. At the same time though, those woods are THICK! In some of those areas an elephant could be 20 yards from you and you would have no idea. I can’t tell you how many times a deer, bear, and even elk have jumped out in front of me almost close enough to shake hands and I never knew they were there. I also have a very difficult time dismissing so many witness accounts. Sure, some of them are on the spectrum, but some of them come very credible people including Individuals trained to be good observers such as law enforcement. So, at the end of the day, I’m a bit skeptical, but wouldn’t be really surprised if it turns out such a thing really is living out there. As for the Patty film, I still don’t know what to think about it. It’s never been proven to be the real thing and it’s never been confirmed a hoax.
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Yes I believe Bigfoot are real, no I don't believe this Bigfoot is real.
Absolutely. I have no doubts that it's real.
For sure real, Prove he isn’t!
Im not sure. I’d like to believe. It would be pretty cool. But some people talk about Bigfoot the same way they talk about God: it can turn invisible, walk through walls, read your mind, shoot lightning at you, and so on and so forth. If Bigfoot is real, it’s an animal. Nothing more.
I don’t think they are real but if any diehard believers want to point me to something interesting I have an open mind
Yes, I believe big foot are real based on the evidence; duration and consistency . Perhaps they are the original inhabitants of this planet and we are rapidly evolving hybrids.
I don't believe but I enjoy the story's and the lore
I think it's most likely his friend or Patterson himself in a suit...but I believe that Sasquash, Bigfoot, Almasty, Yeti and all those enormous hominids walked and maybe still walk the face of the earth somewhere remote...they are or were real, that's not up for debate.
I was a very staunch believer before the internet.. Now I'm in the fence forcing myself to lean more towards still believing...
My favorite conspiracy about big foot is that he is Cain. The one from the bible
Don't know bout Bigfoot, but the Zombie Woof is definitely real.
If the US government wanted to conclusively prove their existence then they could do it very quickly with modern technology.
I hope they are.. would be amazing. But I don’t know.. all these years and no clear facts or pictures. Do we ever gonna know?
My opinion, probably not, but it's just silly to make a statement of absolution on either side. As humans we think we've got some kind of control over nature. Plenty of people think there's nothing left to discover, but the fact is, there's more we don't know about nature and our planet than what science has found. Logic tells me that bigfoot is a construct of the human brain, my hope tells me they are out there and something beyond logic. I guess it's simply that bigfoot is as real as you let it be. I doubt it's out there, but then again, I've heard things while hunting and camping in the Cascades wilderness that I can't explain.