Is Berghain really a zionist club, or rfp are too far gone?
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sometimes the only thing that crosses my mind is “how is this helping palestine?” boycotting should be aim and target for money that founds the genocide.
I do not think that berghain is against the genocide, but I just saw them as a product, and ppl still think that products will be revolutionary
Reminder they raised roughly 20k and gave only 1k to an actual Palestinian aid group. The rest went to pay DJ’s who turned down gigs. Ridiculous… especially when this page could actually do good work.
it’s a ridiculous page. more often than not they’re just grasping at straws frothing in their mouths. it reads more like an envy driven personal attack by a failed dj with some inherent british imperialist guilt rather than an actual attempt to help the boycott movement or the palestinian cause. if anything it’s pushing away the legitimacy of the movement, poisoning it with too much witch hunt energy and too little reason or a solution based approach
Thank you for this. It's rare that people in this scene dare to describe what's actually going on with RfP
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what u think is more a “solution based approach”? I also wanna see more counter proposals
Whoever runs Ravers for Palestine is a trash human being. Wes Baggaley does perfect job calling this guy out. Allegedly, owner of the page was seen in Berghain in October himself, which is funny, as I’ve never seen RvP denied that. 😂 just cancel RvP already.
Fuck them actually :)
Berghain is doing good job ignoring them
Just as they do a good Job at ignoring any responsibility towards non-white victims of war and genocide… I could respect their stance as an institution if their silence were equal, however them being openly political when it came to communicating their stance on Ukraine by hanging a big ass banner on the top of the building vs silence with Palestine (and Sudan, Congo etc.) shows that they are unaplologetical of being pro-Zionist… Not saying to complain but it’s just facts
Why can't they be pro-zionist?
Typical npc ragebait comment 😴
Or true socratic question 😇
Thank you. It was somewhat of an honest question even. Why does everyone have to be pro Palestinian? Or why is no one allowed to be pro Israel? Isn't Berghain entitled to take a stand for whom they want?
for real! double standards..
You are asking why a hub of individual freedom and queer culture in Germany does not side with people who want to murder others for their religion and sexuality? 🤔
Zionism is about having a home for jewish people. People of all religions and sexualities live in peace in Israel. Those who declare their mission to kill Jews don’t have long lives. Facts
Yes. In my experience, most Germans know this and have really tried hard to support Israel in the face of much criticism. This has not been easy and I applaud them (and Berghain) for the way they are navigating this cultural moment.
Last year we have seen a coordinated defamation and misinformation campaign lead by china on tiktok etc. Spreading lies and smearing the word zionism itself. Yes berghain stood like a berg in face of it. But here on social media its sometimes insufferable the amount of hate and trying to shut people up..
So basically any people have the right to their original land
Native Americans have the right to the land. Get out European Americans
No need to put words into my mouth. Your strawman agrument is so weak I don’t think I need to adress it.
You wrote I believe all beings deserve recognition and dignity. That's why I wrote, well a native American person might want the land of their ancestors back. .. anyways...
Recognition and dignity does not imply anything else you might have assumed it implies.
Home for Jewish people at what cost?
This is a very good question. And I truly believe all beings deserve recognition and dignity. I can't defend every person entity action or thought. I just stated what the core of Zionist ideology is. Build a national home for the jewish people.
So now basically we have to calculate until the beginning of history so that we know who truly deserve a specific spot on earth
People are getting evicted from their homes and children get killed in the name of Zionism and that's why this word is bad and because of American style settler colonialism there
Every post they make is more absurd than the last. Zero impact for actual suffering Palestinians
So now anyone who plays in Israel is bad? Also why are they putting quotation marks around Israel lol. It's a real place...
Even if you don't agree with what their government is doing, you shouldn't hate everything associated with the country. I'm sure there are plenty of Israelis who are against their governmen's actions. But according to this group, everyone there doesn't deserve to hear techno music?
Is this group German? Germans, of all people, should support Israel. There wouldn't be an Israel if it weren't for Germany after all.
Instead they choose to support the misogynistic and homophobic group? That doesn't sound very PLUR.
How about we take identity politics out of techno and let anyone, regardless of religion, race, sexuality, etc. enjoy the music.
Yea, DJing in Nazi Germany would be “bad” … same as DJing and pink washing the genocidal Israeli project
Why should citizens be punished for the actions of their government? According to that logic, no DJs should play in the US cause they kicked out the native Americans. No DJs should play in Europe either, cause every European country has been involved in lots of fucked up shit over the years. Sorry to break it to you but humans have been fighting over land since the beginning of time. And they will continue to do so.
And give me a break with the genocide thing. If Israel wanted to do a genocide they could do it in a week.
Don't forget this war started when Hamas attacked innocent Israelis at a psytrance festival. Which probably wouldn't even be allowed in Palestine. Israel is much more aligned with western values and culture. They also support gay people, which Islam does not. And they don't force their women to cover themselves.
There are dozens of Muslim and Arabic speaking countries in the world. There's only 1 Jewish and Hebrew speaking country. And the whole reason that country is there, is because there was an actual genocide done to their people last century. Spare the BS - I support Israel.
But like I said in my last comment, everyone should be able to enjoy techno, regardless of their political views. Not everything has to turn into some social justice war. Just enjoy the music with other humans.
Lol Israel has a mandatory draft. You’re happy to party with people who literally participated in a genocide.
I would much rather party with Israelis than Palestinians. I actually have partied with Israelis before and they're great. Hope to do it again.
He said ok Nazi and then deleted his comment... So he thinks Nazis support Israel? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard lol.
Their attack on Roi Perez was completely outrageous. I don’t think they are helping their cause.
Partok too.
I agree with the Roi Perez post. Did u saw the whole article. Actually changed my mind.
Did they not say he should relinquish his citizenship? Asking someone who was born and raised in a country for 30+ years to then give up that country and say it’s illegitimate is crazy work and does nothing to help the Palestinian cause
to be fair, i agree in this with them.
I don’t but i understand why some might but going back to your op, how is that going to help Palestine?
Boycott Palestinian terrorists. Long life Israel.
No.
all of the israeli residents support palestine and so are many israelis in israel... they are just hurting the cause
If they call themselves "Israelis" then I don't think so... I would have never associated myself with a place that mass murders people
people are not their government
I have yet to read a person calling themselves "Israeli" has it black on white wrote that they are against IDF, and supports Palestine... There are many Jews that have taken stand with Palestine, but not read about "Israelis".
its your lucky day. im israeli from tel aviv, pro palestine, and part of "standing together" movement arraging convoys and aid to gaza, protesting and raising awareness.
hey! could you tell me more about your movement?
look at our insta https://www.instagram.com/standing.together.english?igsh=NmoyZDF3bDZ2czUx and feel free to donate!!
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two state solution is the only realist one. you cant turn history back.
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thats a racist take actually. if irish people and brits came to the table on good friday best believe its possible.
but irish still hates brits haha
You can say the same about Palestinians, and you would be more right than with Israelis. They are far less radicalised than Palestinians. Even you parrot casually about destroying Israel without any shame, now imagine what a Palestinian thinks after being ruled and brainwashed by Hamas.
but, maybe, government can end and the context change.
Yes, the good self-hating citizen of any country with a deep desire for self-annihilation. Brilliant take, bro.
This is not the flex you think it is. This demonstrates you're in a bubble and have made little effort to look outside of it.
I'm not flexing anything.
Genuine question: Do you check nationality or political views with your clients / SDs before accepting them?
Of course I wouldn't date a man that doesn't care about humanity😊
They don't call themselves Israelis openly because of people like you who can't distinguish people from their government. Also, just recently in Sydney 12 people died at a Hanukkah event, including children.
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Wtf is that logic, you gonna make someone guilty for the actions of others ? Text book racism.
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You are quite a sad person. I hope you get help.
if palestinians call themselves palestinians
Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia
Idiot zio.
no baklava left?
Zios stole that too...
always these bullshit arguments from zios
always these bullshit crying from islamists
im an islamist when im against a genocide ok
You are one when you rationalize and defend terrorist organisations
palestine is the darkest specter of fascism. notice how you keep saying the word "Genocide", u/Proper_Surprise232 . intentional forcing of narrative and political subjugation through language. in germany of all places.
Berghain´s agenda is money. if the current trend is transphobia or anti palestinians they in my opinion go for it. Economy has no moral standards
you cry about this story of transphobia fucking everywhere on this subreddit under every post, on the previous one until they banned you, even on fucking google maps. Everybody that attends often knows nobody at the door is transphobic. If you get over from the fact you got bounced maybe you will sound and look less pathetic
you are a tourist with a big moth from a hillbilly country carrying over your narrow world view.
Sure local trans women get bounced like random tourists . In my opinion you are a transphobe who tries gaslighting. Your language also speaks for your educational level. Because they let in lower class cis males with aggression issues, the club is what ist is
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if the bouncer calls me slurs, like he did, for sure. calling out discrimination is not entitlement clown
"local trans whatever". how come this reddit sub is such a gathering point for transphobic cis male idiots. Amazing.you guys should not get into any club. But you will not get in the good queer spots any way. Berghain is not even about attractive people… Men look like older unwashed hobbiits and british tourist women buy their lingerie at amazon. And at the door there are 40+ ugly cis men selecting " the vibe " hahahahahahahahahah
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Having trouble getting in, ay?