At this point I've done everything else in the game aside from the final dungeon/Irenicus and my character is at max level (40) but this particular encounter is overwhelming and I don't see how to handle it. I tried to run into the rooms to the left, right and bottom to see if I can maybe split them up but I don't even get a chance to reach them and they all follow me. Tried an invisibility potion too but they see me anyway.
My character has max proficiency in long sword, mace/flail and dual wielding. Also have all the abilities like Hardiness, Critical Strike, Resist Magic, and such. But this particular fight is too much. Appreciate any input/tips that could help.
Use every potion under the sun
Drop a sacrificial summon in the middle, and book it to one of the corners. Try to pull them as few a number at a time to one of the corner rooms to fight.
I tried doing this with the spider summon I have but it last 2 seconds and then they are all on top of me.
An Oil of Speed and the Boots of Speed should let you outrun them. With careful maneuvering, you can at least get in a few shots on a single creature and then run away before the rest of them can reach you with melee attacks. If you can leave the dungeon via the portal you came from, then you can focus on killing one, leave, rest, and then return for the others.
Kensais can still use throwing daggers and throwing axes, assuming you picked up the Boomerang Dagger in Athkatla, Firetooth in Ust Natha, or the Rifthome Axe, Hangard's Axe, or Azuredge in Athkatla. They technically still count as melee weapons, so Kensais can use them. You can also use nonmagical throwing weapons, but some of the enemies here may be immune.
Forging Ravager +6 with Cespenar may also help a lot, assuming you can forge it at this point in the game and at least one enemy is vulnerable to vorpal strikes. The Silver Sword may be a good substitute.
Either way, you're going to need to run fast and drag out the fight, because you don't have the stats to take full pressure from each enemy at once. You will need to divide and conquer, and you will need high movement rate to do so. Kensais have good speed factors, so you also can probably run up to an enemy fighter, get one hit in, pause, and immediately run away before they can make an attack roll.
Kensais are overrated in my opinion. Their disadvantages are very meaningful in the right context, and their damage alone can't compensate for the loss of utility. This is a VERY tough fight for a solo Kensai, and it is very reasonable to hit a wall here.
Also agree Kensai are ultra overrated unless dualed into thiefs for UAI and backstab with Kai.
No damage bonus in the world convinced me from giving up Vhailor helm and +0,5APR gauntlets and having to tank crits.
Potions, run away and wait for spells to wear off, try to confuse their pathing so the split up a bit, take one or two swings at a time.
Drink potions ?! Are you crazy, I have like 13 of them EACH, just in case something big comes up ! I can't drink them now !
Which potions would you suggest? I have potion of Heroism and also casts various protective abilities and one that speeds up the movement speed but they overwhelm me and my character ends up being hit too much to move fast enough get away.
All of them? I mean, literally drink one of everything if you have to. At max level you should have literally hundreds of potions. Drink them all and cross your fingers.
Do you have Greater Whirlwind? How many of them?
Where is the shield amulet? Where is the ring of Gaxx?
Shield amulet won't be very useful here as the melee fighters on this seal have insane Thac0. Unless you can go for -20 AC, you will get hit every time, especially with a Kensai.
The improved haste from the +2 cloak from cespenar is better than whirlwind when dual wielding.
I didn't even suggest something. I asked what he has, so as I can see what he can work with.
(He can get his AC to -10 and that's good enough to get hit half of the time.
I was going to suggest a throwing weapon and spam G Whirlwind by the way so improved haste doesn't do shit.)
I have three Greater Whirlwind, tried casting it before activating the portal but my character needs to basically be at the middle of the mob to be able to hit the switch so I am faced with enemies every way I decide to go.
I would be better if you had 6+ but try this. Use a potion of and a potion of haste before activating. Activate and run as far to the top right corner as you can. When you get at the end of it, activate Great Whirlwind and hit with a throwing weapon the enemy who gets closest to you. Then the next one.
If they get in Melee distance change to the silver sword. Great whirlwind gives you 10 hits per round. You've got to kill at least one enemy every round with Great Whirlwind. Don't waste it if you're not hitting. (Maybe someone has protection from magical weapons or Stoneskin. Try someone else.)
If many get close to you, run to the opposite site. Don't get cornered and don't wait to get healed there. Go to the other site and heal or go invisible. Repeat.
Your THACO is good enough to use any weapon you have available even if you're not proficient in it and when you're using Great Whirlwind APR is always 10. Try the Hammer of Thunderbolts or the Celestial Fury or the Silver Sword. I don't know what works for whom better. Test them.
Damn. I thought you meant kensei/mage, not pure kensei.
Buy every magic resistance potion and chug them like water.
Good luck with the Hive mother, I have no idea how you're supposed to deal with her without magic protection
I've been handling Beholders with the slime polymorph, maybe it works against it too?
From the sewer cloak?
If it give you the 100% MR, I guess it works
Slime form is basically immune to their attacks and it hits them rather hard.
Yeah I know the form from the spell do that, but I thought that the mustard from the cloak was weaker, like only 40% MR not 100%, I don't know where I saw that
Careful for hive mother, while mustard jelly form is a very good option, IIRC she can cast Imprisonment which bypasses magic resistance
Easiest way to kill beholders is to stack saving throws.
So Ring of Gaxx, Amulet of the Seldarine, Ring of protection +2 etc. If you get your saves into the negatives, beholders are pretty harmless creature (most of their spells are save or get fucked).
Actually, easiest way to kill beholders is what OP already suggested : mustard jelly form. With GWW, they fall in seconds and can't do anything to you.
Just some Elder ones or hive mothers have imprisonment which ignores MR, so don't let them come in melee range
can't he just use the scroll of protection from Magic? With Helm of Vhailor as to not actually use it? Genuine question I don't power game much :D
No helmets for a kensai
I don't know for the protection scroll, does it makes you completely immune to all magic, or it's possible to dispel or breach it? I've only used them in BG1.
But the simulacrum could work if you're able to keep it away from the hive mother true seen
It can only be removed if you have SCS installed, and only then by a Spellstrike spell.
Nice!
The scroll work against the antimagic BS ray from SCS?
I believe the anti-magic ray from SCS can in fact remove the scroll. But I haven't looked up the spell file in Near Infinity in a while. I wouldn't bet on it being safe.
If you are wearing the boots of speed and use improved haste (can use the Ring of Gaxx) on yourself you can perhaps run away fast enough to break them up. Drop a summon in the centre before you click the final seal so they start moving towards the summon rather than you.
Jesus christ... well done
Usually, fight them one at a time
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