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it's been raining here since this morning (and been for a few days)
Man, doing the background reading for this project I have in mind is really hammering home just how much I still have to learn. It's almost overwhelming - God knows how long it'll take me to properly read & digest just the three introductory textbooks sitting on my desk, nevermind everything I have in mind after that.
Like a lot of engineers, I realllly regret not just studying mathematics instead.
I have logged into wow every day on the 23rd to get the anniversary achievement for the past 17 years... Help me
I've logged in for years to do STO online events. I have like 6 free T6 coupons and 2 big prize boxes that I haven't opened from doing the year long event grinds.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Cancelling your WOW subscription is the second step.
One rule of thumb I have about discussion of immigration is to disregard what someone says if they use the word “import/importing” when talking about people from other countries
A relative of mine was stopped by ICE in Seattle.
Doesn't seem to have been a fun experience.
EDIT:
This was at a bus stop in Seattle, by the way.
Is this your relative?
Yep. That's my mom's cousin Choppy (what we call her).
Her mom and my mom's mom were cousins.
ICE agents pulling aside Native Americans because they think they look Mexican is one of those stories that is ironic on multiple levels.
Not that I'm defending ICE, but it can be a little more complicated than that since the indigenous peoples of Mexico do also cross the border. I have no idea how ICE is supposed to do their job properly if they don't accept ID and it's not law in the US to always have citizenship ID on you and ICE agents have a financial incentive to deport as many as possible. The whole operation is so ill conceived.
I agree that the use of quotas provides an incentive to racially profile and that the Supreme Court officially said that racial profiling is ok but that doesn't really absolve the agents who choose to racially profile. They are still the ones pulling people aside in the capacity of criminal law enforcement officers because there seem someone with dark skin.
Like I totally get what you mean that the current policy environment encourages such behavior. There is certainly a top down element to the situation.
But I don't exactly think that the ICE agents who break into preschools to snatch teachers have tears in their eyes as they do so, and ICE as an organization doesn't really have a history of rigorous professionalism (contra eg the FBI, who I may not love but do in fact have high degrees of professional standards)
I've heard multiple accounts now that ICE agents just dismiss people's IDs as fake, which makes me wonder how they can even actually perform their jobs. Are they just dredge fishing, catching anything and everyone and just trying to filter out the US citizens later?
Bold of you to assume that they'll filter out US citizens.
The liberal media would be screaming at the top of their lungs everyday for each and every US citizen deported. So far, I'm only ever hearing US citizen children being taken by non-US citizen mother/father in the deportation process..
What "liberal media" would be doing that?
CBS News, ABC, The New York Times, NBC, The Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, the BBC, would not cover up ICE mistakenly deporting US Citizens. They would report on it because it would generate a massive amount of views. They've reported on ICE many, many times already.
No, I dont think any of this is true. You seem to be posting from 2017 or something.
Among other things, CBS News and the Washington Post are owned and operated by Trump allies and are explicitly positioning themselves as non-liberal. ABC has settled suits by Trump and is not in a position to criticize him or ICE. We can keep going, if you like.
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will
I don't know that any has gotten to full deportation yet (although plenty of legal residents have been) but it goes well beyond what you are referring to.
Also there has been like a ton of reporting on ICE abuses, it's been a major ongoing story for nearly this entire year.
It goes beyond what I'm referring to, but hasn't gotten to what I've referred to yet? This seems like arguing for the sake of arguing.
I said I wasn't defending ICE, so you don't need to be this slippery when attacking ICE.
I'm attacked for assuming US citizens will get filtered out, then get replied "but legal residents" and " but ICE abuses". I didn't say anything about legal residents, or implied ICE has never abused anything.
Yeah, that's entirely my point, if US citizens got disappeared or deported, it most certainly going to get reported on, because ICE can hardly keep anything secret and there's millions of eyes on ICE.
This is what you were referring to, the bit I quoted:
The citizens won't be deported, just disappeared. Or arraigned on trumped-up charges dug up after being taken by ICE so they can say "why are you against us locking up criminals"?
ICE disappearing US citizens would also get the liberal media screaming at the top of their lungs everyday. It would just be the story they'd be looking for to get the public to turn.
Until I hear it from the media who'd be salivating for this kind of story, I'm not going to assume without evidence that ICE is disappearing US citizens, no matter how bold that makes me.
Bold of you to assume that "do their job properly" is under active consideration.
I try not to see the world in black and white, fail as I might on occasion.
What did this entail? Did ask for their passports?
They stopped her, she shows her Tribal ID (CTUIR, Federally Recognized Tribe located in NE Oregon), she tells them to just call the phone number listed on the back since it's to their enrollment office and they'd immediately confirm her enrollment status.
They tell her it's fake and anyone can fake them.
She points out she sure doesn't sound Mexican and says "I'll fuckin' call the Tribe for you", to which she pulled out her phone and they tried taking it from her.
ICE living down to the thug reputation.
Damnit, I broke my pen! That's what I get for dropping it all the time... and also pressing way too hard on the paper. Well, I guess that ends writing practice. I thought the Kanji would be harder to write, it's not that bad. It's weird to do though, as someone who can only write cursive (fast cursive, not fancy cursive), having to lift the pen of the paper that often is unnatural.
As you get more and more used to writing 'em, you'll end up combining strokes just like you do in English. Just make sure to be following proper stroke order, or your handwriting will get fucked up.
Thank you r|all for showing me an onlyfans account who sell toenail clippings, truly this has enriched my life.
For some reason of late r|all has started pushing accounts instead of just subs. Reasons elude me.
I keep seeing that Jeffrey Epstein cologne ad and it always makes me do a triple take.
I feel extra justified in my use of adblockers.
Yeah so I think it’s a shitpost ad for an actual product, with some amount of the profits of which going to anti-trafficking charities.
Which is cool but it’s still like getting flashbanged every time I see it.
Dutch is a diabolical language because to a native English speaker like me it always looks as though you could make a perfectly good attempt at pronounciation - and then you hear what it's actually supposed to be and it's completely different.
I have fond memories of asking someone which train I needed to catch in Amsterdam, then going to the station and realizing I had no way of connecting the sound that came out of the stranger's mouth with the letters I was seeing on the signs. I had to meekly go back and ask them to spell the name for me instead lmao
This is how you Anglos are with every language, including the ones the pronunciation of which is obvious to nearly everyone else.
Back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, I had managed to obtain a vhs cassette of the international version of Bullet in the Head and as it happened it was English with Dutch subtitles. That was surprisingly annoying because for a German the brain just consistently tries to read the subtitles, fails and starts concentrating on these strange symbols that look like German on first glance.
Dutch looks like what having a stoke sounds like.
Straat op gejorking mijn pijnits.
Many people are saying this
It's really cool how your brain like attunes to a related language and you begin to pick things up. Was watching a YouTube video about Japan sourcing the wood it uses for paper from Nepal and my ears slowly began hearing cognates and what not over the course of the video.
Holy shit they make youtubers at Area 51?????
So, does learning Kanji become easier at some point? I do fine with the meanings, I retain like 50% first go, but readings are like 20% or so; granted, it would probably be easier if I wasn't a fucking moron that tries to do 30 a day, but what are you gonna do? I just have way too much time on my hand.
My mentality is just that the sooner I get exposed to a kanji, the more quickly I'll learn it, even if there's only a small retention the first go, after enough spaced repetition, I'd probably get it. It kinda works, I started spotting Kanji in the wild, so to speak.
I'm a weirdo I guess in that kanji are extremely helpful to remembering words for me. I know people say there's no such thing as learning styles or whatever but something to see is incredibly helpful to me. I see them in my mind when I'm trying to think of a word.
Anyway I believe immersion is the way, just constantly surround yourself with stuff to read. In Japan it was so much easier because you are absolutely enveloped in print advertising at all times. I wrote out phrases and practice sentences on little pieces of paper and stuck them all over my apartment so when I was walking around I'd see them and try to read them out loud.
Yeah, I'd say they do. At some point the only new ones you're being exposed to are weird ones that stick in your head, but even before that getting used to radicles and phonetic components makes 'em easier to pick up.
Also this is a hot take, but don't worry too much about learning to write kanji at the start. You should certainly know how to read them, and the basic stroke order rules, but once you have those two skills learning to write kanji at a later date is a breeze. That's what I did, at least.
If you're learning the Kanji by memorizing the signs in on themselves, then I think that's a fool's errand.
I am of the opinion that you should just learn vocabulary and how to read and write it. Kanji is not a writing system that you can "learn" and then read Japanese.
I do recommend practicing writing them by hand though, it helps drill them in.
I'm learning them with vocab to match, that's why the meanings stick so quickly, I immediately have vocab they're used in; I'm currently playing catch up with the kanji, getting the kanji for words I already know. After that's done, I'll just be learning kanji with the vocab, the program is designed to specifically do that.
It's just all the チョウ, キョウ, コウ, etc that just don't stick in my head. Kunyomi readings tend to be a bit easier to remember so far, since they're more varied.
No, and you have to practice writing them regularly or you end up becoming only able to read them but not able to write them. Though, I'm talking form Hanzi rather than Kanji experience.
The problem with writing them is that it's hard to do in a dark room, I did it for all kana though, I'll give it a shot
feels like there's less insects nowadays -> yeah you don't get bug splatter on windshields/number plates anymore -> I heard that was due to modern aerodynamics
It is utterly fascinating how in any thread where insect populations are mentioned, this exact interaction will always play out. It is also fascinating, though not surprising, that no one will ever link the studies that spawned this.
I wonder how much of the “there were so many more bugs when I was young” is a selective memory thing like how many people in the US insist there were more thunderstorms, or mourning doves cooing, when they were a child despite neither actually being true.
Studies on insect populations are more mixed, but much of the popular perception of dramatic decline could be the same thing. The time your car got covered with bugs on a childhood road trip, or the one summer night where your backyard was filled with fireflies, or the handful of times you got nailed by a dragonfly while riding your bike, are all more memorable than the many more times you did the same activities and those things didn’t happen
It has actually been tested there are pretty steep declines. Which is to be expected given that general environmental degradation is a very well documented process.
I'm guessing this was on the askUK sub?
Stay around internet discourse enough, you can predict most conversations in the way that chess players are able to predict their opponents moves.
The third point seems obviously wrong. You can see there are fewer insects. When you put out a light, it used to get swarmed with moths. Also, I remember always getting nailed in the face by insects while cycling.
I mean, I don't know if it is correct, but both points could easily be right. There are less insects and modern cars kill less flying insects.
I usually groan when I see people on reddit discuss the political and cultural dynamics of and between arab countries (and to some extent arab history) but the comments on this Post are the first to make me die inside,
The two comments that were particularly were the comment saying that Lebanon is on its way to becoming part of a muslim caliphate and the comment that "Ottomans banned Kurdish in schools and from being printed" is an example of arab culture erasure (but he added nuance, so that makes it correct)
Was the Ottoman public schooling system ever developed enough for that to be an issue? As I understand it, before the early Republic most of the Anatolian populace were illiterate (and Kurds primarily lived in mountainous rural areas dubiously controlled by the central government anyway).
There's also the point about Arab countries only being Arabic-speaking because of conquest and colonization. I mean, it's technically correct*, but that's little different from why the French, Spanish and Portuguese all speak languages derived from Latin.
*The best kind of correct
I think Arab cultural identity is one of those things that's just too nuanced for most people to have patience with: watching the infighting between different groups of Christians in Arab countries always reminds me of this.
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I am sure that wording is accidental.
It's the "Polish death camps" debacle all over again.
Do many Jewish people outside of Israel, or anyone else, have this view of the Holocuast as a German-Polish joint atrocity?
Given this and Netanyahu's attempts to pin the Shoah more on Al Husseini then is probably merited, I wonder how many Israelis are actually technically deniers by way of minimising German culpability. It would be a very controversial line of enquiry but I'd be extremely curious.
I suspect Netanyahu's comments are more so "practical" because the modern German government is generally pro-Israel (so not really a threat) and equating a current enemy to the NSDAP is a good way to justify unlimited military action against them.
Like you, I'm curious how Poland is viewed in Israeli society. I'm aware of bad blood between them and Ukrainians, but thought Poland was generally better received. Yad Vashem famously awarded the most "Righteous" designations to Poles.
Is it really minimizing German culpability to acknowledge that the Polish government was also run by antisemitic nationalists? Surely refraining from doing so only minimizes Polish culpability in fostering antisemitism?
The post is talking about the actions of the Nazi German occupation government of war criminal Hans Frank.
All of Europe was antisemitic to an extent. The Dreyfus Affair happened in France. Russia produced the "Secret Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and had a region outside of which Jews were not allowed to settle. Vienna had the charming little title of "Capital of European antisemitism".
The thing is though that none of the above mentioned states put in a actual state power to hunt down Jews and exterminate them with the full backing of an industrial and bureaucratic state.
So imo yeah, it kinda is minimizing German culpability. The Nazis hunted down Jews regarding how much the host country fostered antisemitism, as exemplified especially be the cases of Italy and Hungary.
Yes, antisemitism was endemic in interwar Europe, but I think we can agree that the state forcing Jewish citizens to publicly self-identify and forbidding them from specific public spaces and roles is more severe than discriminatory attitudes and actions against Jewish individuals. Obviously Nazi Germany took antisemitism to its most violent extreme, but I don’t see how that in any way precludes acknowledging that the German and Polish states deployed similar antisemitic measures
Why are you talking about "forcing Jewish citizens to publicly self-identify" in the context of Poland, saying "but I think we can agree that [...]" as if someone here disagreed with it? We are in agreement about Nazi Germany, the discussion is about Poland. Why do you then allude to the Sanacja regime in the context of that policy?
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What measures similar to Nazi Germany and the early Holocaust did the Sanacja regime deploy?
Antisemitism of this sort was ideologically foreign to Piłsudski, and the alliance between the nationalists and the Rydz-Śmigły faction only started in 1937-1938. Even then, the only policies I can think of are vaguely encouraging Jews to emigrate, wanting to take citizenship away from long-time emigrants (of all ethnicities), laws banning ritual slaughter from 1942, and regulations on the legal profession that hurt Jews, among other groups.
Where are the laws banning interracial marriages, banning Jews from public spaces, stripping Jews in Poland of citizenship and jobs, confiscations of property, etc?
While that is true, there are well.... Differences. The Holocaust in France is not the same as the Holocaust in Poland, for a variety of reasons. Now, I think those aren't at all as simple as "How antisemitic was the pre-war society", but the fact is the Holocaust proceeded at radically different speeds and in different ways depending on all sorts of factors.
(though i do think that there's another point that the WWII was a time when delay just worked, and that even if the germans would kill all the jews eventually just playing for time could make a massive difference in how many jews survived. It's absolutely fascinating how many jews were killed in the last year of the war or so, f.ex.)
I have yet to see actual criticism of the Sanacja regime or of Endecja from Israelis, I think (I say that as someone who hates Piłsudski and Sanacja). It's always in connection to German atrocities.
Even post-war pogroms only seem to be mentioned in that context.
Edit: and that post in particular has nothing to do with the pre-war government, which was not in power even in exile during the war.
Of course. I wouldn't want to dismiss 'indigenous' Polish anti semitism by any means. But the way the post is referenced make that out to be the ideological precursor to Nazism, which i feel minimises anti semitic tendencies in Germany.
A lot of Jews and/or Israelis are somewhat rightfully critical of Poland's own history of anti semitism and certain Poles collaborationism. But its been studies that many people in Israel view Poland as guilty of the Shoah as Germany.
There is a history of anti semitism pretty much everywhere in Europe and degrees of Nazi collaborations, but despite the Vichy regime and the historical anti semitism demonstrated by the likes of the Dreyfus affair, that anyone would call France culpable, rather than factions within France.
Idk the fact that the Polish nationalist government deployed similar antisemitic measures as Nazi Germany did in the early stages of the Holocaust seems as reasonable a basis for comparison as any. I guess I also don’t see what the point of this discourse is other than to launder the reputation of prewar Poland’s government which we seem to agree was enforcing explicitly antisemitic policy on its Jewish citizens
The Cult of the Supreme Being was neoliberal
The Supreme Being
You're neoliberal.
Sir this is r/badhistory
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Quit being mod of LCD this morning. Too much work for too much harassments, weak mod team for the size, etc. We received a reddit modmail message saying I had done 56% of the actions and that was weighing on my mind when I was still getting pinged randomly by people while on vacation.
Too much stress too little control of the situation, too little reward.
Whats on your historical drama wishlist? Mine consists solely of a Wolf Hall style series on the end of the civil war and Charles' execution, with a single room courtroom drama episode on the trial.
A Tudors or Borgias style drama about the Gustav Vasa and his sons. Plenty of feuding, once favoured courtiers being executed or fleeing to Lübeck. A comedy interlude with Erik XIV trying to woo Queen Elizabeth
I bet the people here roll their eyes at the "Freud, Hitler, Trotsky, etc all lived in Vienna at the same time" thing that comes up now and again, but what a great set up for a show. Secession art, Schoenberg music, Wiener Werkstatte designs, Otto Wagner architecture, all the setup for the apocalyptic ending when they get the news from Sarajevo.
Only if it's a sitcom.
Iberia during the Reconquista period, with great emphasis on all that infighting and shifting alliances between the various Christian and Muslim polities. Or a comedy about Maniots holding onto their customs. Or even a comedy-thriller series about the four Fitnas in Islam
Diadochi wars.
I think there is potential for stories set in Appalachia in the American Revolution due to a weird byproduct of the war. Take this with a grain of salt; I've heard that the War for Independence gave a lot of feuding people in Appalachia the idea to use the pretense of the war to murder foes and get away with it by claiming to have suddenly become a diehard patriot or loyalist and the murdered party to have been the opposite and doing something to advance said cause. Just conceptually, it's a crime drama where premeditated murder becomes de facto legalized for something like half a decade because of a conflict that never once comes close to the community, there's a great deal of potential. I also think it's probably it's a concept that could actually get the greenlight because of the violent rural nihilism baked into the premise that I could see Taylor Sheridan wanting to produce it.
A comedy like Death of Stalin set in the shortlived Bavarian Council Republic
I think a series following the careers of Stilicho and Alaric after they (maybe) both fought under Theodoric at the Battle of Frigidus River would be interesting. Two Germanic war lords hose ambiguous relationship to the imperial center led them down different paths, until they eventually collided again. Seems juicy!
More small scale, but I think a series just based around a Roman military fort would be interesting. It could be set around a rebellion (like, say, Vindex's in 69 CE) and show how the community formed and broke apart, but i am more just interested in following the ordinary lives there.
If I had the actual power to greenlight something, I might choose a series based on the early years of Liberia.
I'd love an epic movie about the battle of Talas. Tang vs. Abbasids!
A detective show but set in the Late Roman Empire.
Or a show following Constantine III and his arch enemy, Constantius III.
A movie about Friar Julian finding the Hungarians who stayed in the East before the Mongols eviscerated them would be pretty fun.
A noir set in San Francisco's Chinatown in the late 19th century.
Surprisingly little Chinatown in that movie.
I’ve always wanted one about the life of Puyi.
Isn't there a pretty famous one?
If you’re thinking of The Last Emperor, that one is famous indeed but it’s a movie and I think a good dramatization of Puyi’s life needs to be in a series format.
Point.
But only if it also includes a storyline about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiko_Kawashima
I agree.
I’m still waiting for a noir set in early 20th century Shanghai
You are in luck! Not my favorite Zhang Yimou, but that just means it isn't one of the best movies ever made.
It is a semi-popular subject.
I figured it was on some level but being that I don't speak chinese I was hesitant (and a little lazy) to look
One, I think we need a series about the French Revolution, maybe remind people nowadays what things were like before all these fancy rights they take for granted.
Two, a drama about Brutus, because the story of a man who killed a dictator in order to preserve a government he didn't know was already lost seems like a winner.
You already got a series where Saruman is the chief executioner and Dr. Alan Grant is a General in both the Continental Army and the French National Guard.
I mean old Bill Shakespeare has kind of already done the definitive dramatic take on Brutus
Multi-season billion dollar budget HBO series on the Wars of the Diadochi and a Band of Brothers style adaptation of Co. Aytch.
A Diadochi high prestige drama series would be great.
That or a Death of Stalin styled black comedy.
Inspired by a misreading of your comment, a civil war series, like all of them. Featuring Caesar's march on Atlanta and Charles execution after the battle of Sarajevo. So the thing starts with the first defenestration of Prague and the Tilly starting the long march.
Nine Years War and/or the Flight of the Earls would make an interesting series. There are rumors that something is in the works but not much to go on.
This is double layers of geek, but I've long liked the idea of The Warlord Chronicles (Early Medieval King Arthur series) as an anime. Too bad the live action series a couple years ago bombed hard.
And this is more of a gag, but a historical series where a non-European protagonist travels to Europe and has to navigate the various cultural shocks and take up the cause of/become the favorite in a powerful European Court. Basically the loose premise of The 13th Warrior and the reversal of most other English language historical dramas set outside of Europe.
The weird thing is that's not even ahistorical. "Court Foreigner" was just a job people could hold for a couple of centuries.
There's a modern version of that in China and it's called white monkey
I’d like to see more Vietnam War stuff that is actually centered around the Vietnamese themselves rather than having them effectively serve as part of the backdrop for Americans/French/English/etc. I know there are Vietnamese-made movies but they’re probably a bit more on the jingoistic propaganda side of things.
I read The Sorrows of War earlier this year, by a veteran of the NVA, and 1) it’s fascinating as it is grim, and 2) it made me even more fully appreciate how often the war is used in American fiction as a catalyst for our own veterans’ experiences rather than something more international.
That or, idk, more Korean stuff. Someone mentioned the show Kingdom a couple threads ago, which is a kind of goofy but thoroughly entertaining zombie thing taking place after the Imjin War. I dunno, it’s just a setting I don’t see much of.
That book fucked me up for weeks
Someone here once suggested a William of Orange biopic and I still think about that every now and then
Prestige mini series about the 1926 general strike in Britain with each principal character roughly representing each of the “Bells of Rhymney”
I think they should pick a successful worker's movement and do the '74 general strike
Johann Friedrich Böttger
The Measure of All Things
A Viking saga. Literally just a saga. Just a take a saga and put it on screen. I just don't care about your tribal-shaman-barbarian sagas.
Question to the Chinese cuisine fans of this sub, is that yummy or too pretentious?
Someone needs to explain to me how learning your third language is harder than your second. It should be EASIER
Depends on what languages these are.
I Learned Japanese first, (weeb) and it was like a pretty smooth experience I guess Im just so used to having constant 80-90% comprehension rates that dropping back to that 5-10-15% in Portugese is pretty jarring
Skill issue
One thing i've noticed is that i haven't learned how to learn a language. Every time, i feel like i start from scratch.
Like, one of my major issue i personally face when I learn a language is listening comprehension : when I listen to a sentence, not only I don't understand anything, but my brain isn't even able to parse the sentence, to detect boundaries between words. I'd think this shouldn't be a very language specific competence : if i struggle but makes major improvement in that regard learning language A, my brain should be able to bring about the same tools to help parse sentences in language B. But no. It's as if my brain just get accustomed to the way people in language A speak, enough to recognize a few words, patterns, hard-code them and... stops there. It just won't bother improving the "how to detect boundaries between words" competence in general. It's a bit frustrating, honestly.
I guess it depends on the language and its relation (if any) to the others you've learned.
Btw, I'm curious on how Adam Tooze became someone who writes about economics even though he's a historian. I assume that no 'real' economist/policy-maker reads his books bc he's a historian and I don't think the two disciplines are that linked
Tooze is definitely widely read, especially Wages of Destruction. I don't think Crashed is as good.
He’s an economic historian. Economic historians tend to receive training in economic theory (and actually the bulk of economic historians today tend to be trained in economics departments).
> economic historians today tend to be trained in economics departments
That's cool! As someone who's really into military history and is reading more about the economics behind wars, I stumbled into Ferguson (from recommendations) and Tooze, but I wasn't sure how authoritative they are.
In the marxist tradition, history is basically a history of economics: the stakes and actors are all economically formulated. Tooze is not a marxist, but he's pretty solidly in the tradition of political economy, where history is deeply indebted to economics and vice-versa.
Makes sense!
> Tooze is not a marxist
In a post-Modernist uni class, what counts as Marxism? I usually make the joke that if someone says the phrase 'Dialectical Materialist' or uses that type of lens, they are a Marxist but I assume that the bar is way higher now to call someone a Marxist. IIRC, he does use that phrase in Wages of Destruction but I read that last year so I obviously can't be called a good source.
There's no litmus test. Tooze self-identifies as a liberal, iirc, he's basically a huge fan of Keynes. I think at this point marxist terms (or at least marxist inflections of concepts) are so ubiquitous they become unavoidable. Ideology, for instance. Loads of the terms are controversial (e.g. dialectical materialism) within marxism, so I'd say this is more Tooze being a bit of an intellectual omnivore.
He was apparently a Trotskyist in his youth. He’s always struck me as someone who wishes he could still believe in Marxism and is a bit embarrassed that he doesn’t, if that makes any sense.
I don't know if it's so much about belief -- I don't know how heterodox you'd have to be to be no-longer-marxist, but I'm pretty sure it's more heterodox than Tooze. I think he's fundamentally not a marxist because his hero is Keynes, he views himself as part of a liberal response to a marxist critique of liberalism. So the awkwardness is that, because he takes the marxist critique seriously, he ends up having two kinds of people as his interlocutors: liberals who don't understand his position because they don't care about marxism, or marxists.
Personally I feel like this is a sensible way to call yourself an 'ist' or an 'ian'. Less about precepts/beliefs, more about disposition/project.
Well I think we have different criteria for who qualifies as what. In my opinion the problem with treating Marxism as a mere disposition is that it elides what made Marx's thought distinct vis-a-vis competing socialisms. Well, that particular battle was lost before I ever fought it, but I still think it's an important distinction.
Aren't there historians who specialize on the economic history of some periods (like how Tirthankar Roy is an expert in the economic history of the Raj)? Adam Tooze also specialises in economic history of Nazi Germany, doesn't he? Do those have qualifications in economics or history or both?
The majority of Anglophone economic historians today are trained in economics departments rather than history departments. If you look at the editorial boards of big economic history journals you’ll see most of them PhDs in economics and teach at economics departments. Sometimes they come from specialized economic history departments; LSE has one, and that’s where both Tooze and Roy studied.
Yeah, my dad's a 'recovering' Finance Bro (very interesting story on that lol) but when my dad and I were talking about him and I talked about his credentials, he's like 'Yeah, he has the credentials'.
Bachelors in history and working on my masters in econ here—far from an expert but y’know. I skim university syllabus and university booklists (here’s an AskEconomics thread on this) on my free time and I’ve definitely seen his work on economic history course material. I’ve seen plenty of professors of economic history recommend his work.
As much of an absolutist I am in reputable academic credentials for making a claim, I’d say he has proven his knowledge on the subject and is respected. Much like how Powell doesn’t have a background in economics but has direct experience in monetary policy, outsiders can prove their capability and knowhow of the literature in a field.
I do tacitly agree that most economic historians or policymakers would prolly not read his work in the same way they read Economic History Review. This isn’t a bad thing, his work is just geared to a more general audience. But he does something even better than being the person economic historians or policymakers lean on, he is the one who taught them.
> As much of an absolutist I am in reputable academic credentials for making a claim, I’d say he has proven his knowledge on the subject and is respected
Yeah, I think anyone who's an LSE grad + teaches at Columbia is more than fairly qualified and respected. I'm not a historian or economist by training, but I do appreciate reading books that are on that so that I can learn more about finance policy
They definitely do.
The Twitter/Bluesky micro celeb Matt Darling (/u/besttrousers) made me a mod of /r/badeconomics because he liked my history writing so there is at least some overlap.
I think economists tend to like economically minded historians because we flatter them by using a lot of the same tools and concepts as they do while still treating them with scorn and disdain, it's a psychological thing.
Just a little academic sadomasochism, you know, for a treat.
Economic historians are Tsunderes
That's really interesting to hear! Congratulations!
> we flatter them by using a lot of the same tools and concepts as they do while still treating them with scorn and disdain
What are some examples? Also, I feel that economic historians are a lot more understandable to the 'close-to-average layman' compared to actual economists.
I was reading Coming Up Short and bc of that was listening to Obama's 2004 Speech. He talked about Arab-American families being rounded up.
Was that a metaphorical rhetorical device or did that actually happen?
There was a lot of shit going down in the days after 9/11. A lot of foreigners were arrested for being foreign. There was the story of the Sikh who always wore a turban, took the New York subway to work on 9/12, panicked passengers called the police on him and they took him in. They couldn't hold him because wearing a turban isn't a crime but the police were enabling the hysteria for a time.
Whoa the Early 2000s were kinda crazy.
The US just went mad for a bit. Some people never recovered.
Best intro to an Askhistorians answer I've seen so far
MAGA communism wins again!
Did MtG renounce her anti-revolutionary actions on Fox?
I was looking at the Chomsky sub regarding the news about his closer associations with Jeffrey Epstein in recent weeks and yesterday, and it's very amusing/a little frustrating how there are people there who can be more or less summed up thusly:
"I'm tired of the shameless character assassination from the guilt by association crowd. Sincerely asking in good faith, what are the specific allegations against Noam? Because there's nothing been claimed so far that implicates him in any wrongdoing or of having in-depth knowledge about Epstein's schemes. Chomsky had no idea about what exactly Jeffrey Epstein was doing or the extent of Epstein's operations.
Instead, Noam was interested primarily in business and found himself charmed by a charismatic master manipulator who discussed topics of mutual interest and in an engaging manner. Noam likely felt terrible about it and because he's not very public about his emotions hasn't announced this to the world and instead is being hounded for not declaring every business and academic contact he has or denouncing them for things he personally was not involved in."
It's just something that baffles me because I can't see why people are so attached to this one dude.
Chomsky fans online are genuinely insane, especially post 2022
There is a lot of guilt by association regarding Epstein. Surprise, but a rich guy with connections actually knew a lot of people and a lot of people knew him. However, we live in this post-Pizzagate society where you're never further than 20 m away from the next Epstein.
Like, the poster could have just said "Epstein's flight logs are pretty useless evidence and Epstein knew a lot of people".
The problem when it comes to Noam Chomsky/Jeffrey Epstein is that Noam was associating with him long after Epstein's conviction in 2008 up until ~2018 or so, and when he's been asked about it and what these meetings were about a couple years ago, he seemed to think "none of your business" and "What was known about Jeffrey Epstein was that he had been convicted of a crime and had served his sentence... According to U.S. laws and norms, that yields a clean slate." was a perfectly reasonable response.
And I think so as well.
It's perfectly reasonable for Jeffrey Epstein, a 35 year old from Hoboken that was sentenced to 90 days in jail for a DUI back when he was 22.
But not for Jeffrey Epstein the very notorious sex trafficker.
...well, at least he wasn't going "Epstein was a victim too, it was all a big mistake"?
Yeah, but there's also the fact that Chomsky remained friends and continued to visit and host Epstein after he got arrested and convicted for child sex trafficking in 2008.
The problem with that is it's a defense of a lot of people so the defenders don't want to offer it for their guy, and it's not hard exculpatory evidence so it won't actually matter to people who are making accusations. Neither side has any reason to believe it'll put the matter to rest, even if it's fundamentally true.
Though I think when someone is contacting Epstein to ask for advice on how to make a sex scandal blow over/disappear, the connection is unlikely to be innocuous. (I don't know if Noam Chomsky is one of the men who did that, but at least Lawrence Krauss did.)
A seminal thinker who was smart enough to come up with Universal Grammar (lol) but also had no idea the world’s most prolific pedophile may have actually been kind of a shady character.
I’m fairly far to the left but I’ve never really understood the worship for Chomsky. He never struck me as saying anything terribly novel politically, and being a weird asshole about the Bosnian War didn’t really help.
While my summary is mainly me going off the vibes I've seen in those threads, that is the main actual defence I see outside of "explain to me in explicit and unimpeachable detail what exactly Noam Chomsky did or is accused up, and in turn I'll throw up the vaguest and increasingly implausible excuses for why it's nothing based on my belief in Noam Chomsky despite him hiding things from us and telling those inquiring it's not their business and giving non-answers."
Chomsky is a million years old so when he said it, it was a lot more novel.
ed: not a joke btw
I feel like a lot of leftists pick someone to be attached to so strongly because there's always the fear of them doing something that gets them cancelled. Like look at how the left reacts to any leftist that gets power. Nothing is ever good enough. So you over compensate by idolizing one dude your entire life who is the pinnacle of leftism.
When it comes to celebrities and people I don't know and/or haven't met, I kinda get baffled at how this sort of thing develops because I don't really see the appeal in idolizing that way in general.
I'm into idols so I can't really comment on that.... ,:(
Closest I can get is Weird Al Yankovic for those I haven't met yet, with a couple voice actors and actors at conventions I've gone to being super cool and nice being nearby.
Hmm, a hot flash at 11pm, almost like clockwork; it doesn't happen every day, but every time it happens it's at 11pm, the hell is going on with that? It's exactly 24 hours after taking medication, because I always take the meds at 11pm, so that'd be an easy guess.
Me learning non-English alphabets and phonetics: Man, these are so cool. Someone should really make some languages out of these or something
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Absolute Boomer of the team, Hussam al-Astal (foreground) threaten Hamas in new video
What I find best are the comments:
“All respect to you! The people of Gaza, who are afraid, are all with you but please save us from those illegitimate children.” (Sent from Amsterdam)
"May God protects you, uncle abu Safn" (from Ramallah)
“Hamas, to the dustbins of history.” (probably a revisionist Marxist)
“I’m counting on you, hero ✈️.” (from Stuttgart)
find it crazy that the Congress of Paris brought historians specialized on the Congress of Vienna to avoid making the same mistakes
Mission failed; we'll get 'em next time.
Think of all the tragedies we could have avoided if we only had historians specialized on the fall of Rome.
Oh, I definitely don't know as much about the Congress of Paris as I should, what were the diplomats at Paris trying to avoid, exactly?
Said by Nevzat Tandoğan (The tone is significantly more rude in Turkish)
Tandoğan was the Prefect and mayor and the CHP provincial leader of Ankara in 1940s. He got involved and eventually killed himself.
In 1945, a doctor got shot and killed by the son of the Chief of General Staff. Tandoğan goes to the roommate and tells him to admit to the murder. The courtcase proceed. Sons of the Chief gets 1 year in prison for giving his roommate a gun and the roommate gets 20 years. The media doesn't let go. The court case gets redone in a different province. Tandoğan roles get revealed, new punishment are dished out.
Tandoğan can't take the treatement he receives. He kills himself. Fun fact: The Chief Prosecutor got the court retried got shot as well ~1 months.
Question: Why is that people who support an idea of an oligarchy of the elite tend to such horrible people?
Weren't most of the early CHP leaders from the Aegean coastal areas (and tended to have a low opinion of the more 'rustic' populace of the Anatolian interior)?
Actually a lot of them, including Tandoğan, were from the Balkans. But a lot were from Aegean and Marmara regions as well.
It truly is a mystery for the ages.
I am getting the feeling survival horror games are not my thing even if I am intrigued by the story and invested in it. While I am enjoying the story of Soma, not having any clear idea where to go (because the really commits to not holding your hand even a bit and expects you to find your way around the way yourself, which while admirable is also really annoying in some cases) while a glowing headed monster roams around is coming off as less fun. Though I have figured out that the way to deal with them is to turn and stare at a wall on first sight until they leave (or try to slide by while staring at a wall). That scenario must look really funny from a 3rd person view- robot sees eldtritch horror and immediately stares at wall while said horror roams around the robot trying to get it to notice him.
IMHO SOMA works better in easy mode since the actual hiding from monsters gameplay is mid at best.
I generally play games to relax and survival horror has always just made me anxious for that reason. I don’t know what the fuck I’m doing and I’m just bumbling around as some gross thing lumbers after me.
I appreciate the craft that goes into making a spoopy game but if it’s more involved than Dead Space then I’m probably just going to get kind of irritated about not being able to find the elevator handle of Baphomet or whatever. I already feel powerless in real life, I have no need to simulate that.
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Finished Ken Burns' The American Revolution, and the first part of my review from the other day is here. While not perfect, and certainly sparser on coverage than some areas than I would have liked, I'd have to say it ranks among Burns' best, and gave me an improved opinion of his chief writing partner, Geoffrey C. Ward. Previous Burns projects I had found a bit sentimental for my historian's taste: Baseball was too nostalgic, The Civil War still too influenced by "reunification" and Lost Cause-adjacent narratives, The Roosevelts too hagiographic, The Vietnam War too tied up with American points of view. But Burns and Ward managed to take a more unflinching view of the Revolution than his typical upper middle class, white liberal audience is probably used to. Whether that is a product of the current political moment, I could not say.
The good stuff:
Saying a documentary on baseball is too nostalgic is like saying the cars in an F1 rally are going too fast.
They’re slowing them down for the next regulation cycle!
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Less good stuff:
Overall I'd give a solid B/B+ for historical content I think. For a layperson, if this was the only exposure to revolutionary history (beyond the generally poor and overly nationalistic high school surveys most Americans receive) they got, I'd say they could definitely do worse. The documentary I think is pretty tame by the standards of modern scholarship, but it's almost certain to provoke a backlash from anti-"woke" sectors and from Americans who don't like their clean nationalist narratives challenged. Nothing here is too controversial or particularly interesting for experts, but most Americans are not experts, and their view of this period tends to smack more of mythology than of genuine history.
On this day 307 years ago, Blackbeard was beaten by the Royal Navy and killed.
One guy I know calls it a political assassination against the law.
Others say bro he was a pirate there's no law against this.
One of these is a better argument.
It's not an assassination because he survived and swam around the ship three times, obviously.
My only take on the incident is that Robert Newton's line reading of "Mayynarrrrd" is one that will forever live in my head.
Ding dong, the wicked bitch is dead.
Why would the CIA do this?
The Colonial Intelligence Agency?