Would’ve been bigger news back in the day when EVA space was plentiful on Aeroplan and others, but still a nice add, might help offer some more capacity and availability on IAD to Tokyo too.
Would’ve been bigger news back in the day when EVA space was plentiful on Aeroplan and others, but still a nice add, might help offer some more capacity and availability on IAD to Tokyo too.
Really thought next one would be ONT to compete with CI and JX lol
LA area is completely overcapacity. I saw they had some loads in the 50% recently.
East Coast is thinner, high cost, but less competition for the TPAC space. IAD is pretty good to make use of the large Star Alliance flyer base.
West coast routes are often about what's under the belly.
ONT isn't a cargo hub.
And definitionally passenger flights are rarely about the cargo. The majority of revenue still comes from passengers filling the seats. Taiwanese airlines might do more cargo than US carriers, but still only about 30% at best of revenue.
If you wanted to run a cargo flight, you'd just fly a cargo freighter.
It actually kinda is lol, UPS hub, Amazon flying etc
It's half the size of LAX cargo and like you called out those are the airlines doing the cargo flying not the Asian carriers.
Cargo is about how much of it you carry.
10th busiest cargo airport in USA after JFK and before DFW. I just chuckled when you said that, anyway
I mean if cargo was what mattered, you'd see carriers doing passenger service to ANC and MEM, that's not what's happening.
Cargo is not a reason to fly a passenger flight.
Ya but it helps a lot, UA has even said some of their long haul wouldn’t be profitable without it
Passenger revenue is largely what makes routes profitable. For EVA 75% of the revenue comes from passengers, 25% is cargo.
The claim that cargo is what makes a route profitable makes no sense. That's like one person writing one page of a 4 page group project and claiming all the credit for completing the assignment, when the bulk of it is attributed to something else.
A passenger flight cannot be profitable without the passenger revenue doing the heavy lifting. Without passenger revenue and only cargo, a passenger flight cannot be profitable. A passenger flight without cargo revenue can be profitable.
Not true. There is very much cargo in ONT and many times cargo is what makes money from any airport.
Source: friends and family worked at CI
Cargo can definitely tip a route over breakeven, but no route is run because of cargo. No amount of cargo will make a 50% load factor flight profitable, for example. This is well known in the industry, aside from brief covid periods passenger revenue far exceeds cargo on passenger flights.
No, it's just a fact that on passenger flights, passenger revenue is the majority of the revenue not cargo.
Your anecdotal credentials of friends working at CI doesn't change reality.
Airlines start passenger flights to make revenue from passengers, not cargo. Passenger revenue typically makes up 70 to 80% of a passenger flight.
Yes, believe rando on internet vs the financial reports and first hand information from employees of a Taiwanese airline.
Your reality is like Trump's, completely without facts.
You are literally also just a random on the internet.
Have you looked at EVA and CI's financials? And how they disclose cargo revenue? I'm just citing the exact breakdown of how it is. It's 75% passenger, 25% cargo.
If you said CI is a part of Oneworld and not SkyTeam, and your "evidence" is friends and family members, that does not make it a correct statement.
Literally, I'm the only one citing facts, you are not.
Would be nice if BR/UA played nice with codeshares but sadly they don’t. Where are you getting the data on load factors from?
Taiwanese civil aviation administration releases the data each month (up to Nov 2025 now), which then gets summarized & posted on FT/PTT/local media.
FT has some stats every month in one of the Taiwanese av threads
Could you link it?
Me too, my grandparents live in Pasadena area so it’s the same time between LAX and ONT. Super convenient for them to fly out of ONT when there’s traffic
Yesssss. Washington has lacked good asia connectivity post-covid and the split hub situation in Tokyo is not ideal, so the best way has been on the ME3. This will be great to get some options, especially to east asia. CX next please?
IAD was a "permanent" CX cut when they were doing network experiments just before COVID, along with DUB, EWR, and MLE. Interestingly so was SEA, but that was before the AS/HA merger and the threat of DL launching HKG again
I was going to point out SEA but you already did. I don't put a whole lot of stock in the AS/CX partnership - it's basically impossible to buy an CX tickets on Alaska so not sure how alive this partnership even is.
At the end of the day, Washington is a somewhat unique market because of its geopolitical importance and relatively high wealth. It punches above its weight on international carriers and connectivity. While business ties have collapsed between US-China, there may still be some value in China connectivity which EVA cannot provide. And there will be a need to connect beyond HKG to southeast asia at some point where US (and businesses) are looking to strengthen ties to counterbalance China.
But this is all conjecture based on a DC that may not exist anymore post- massive DOGE and NGO cuts. And I'm not sure that connecting through HKG is faster than flying ME3.
Plus at the end of the day, as much as I hate the term "greater bay" there is like 85 million people that live there which is quite a bit of O&D
Technically Y award space on CX is still quite plentiful through AS, so I wouldn’t call their relationship dead. CX just prefers to reserve J award space for its own frequent flyer members.
I'm talking their codeshare, not their partner awards. Any ticket that includes SEA-HKG nonstop is sold on CX for like $6000 roundtrip in economy. They offer reasonably priced onward CX connections from various end nodes of Alaska's network (ICN/NRT) but clearly I don't think Alaska is feeding CX (at least on AS sold tickets) at those prices. Maybe it's different purchasing through CX, idk.
CX seems unlikely. They had service to IAD briefly just before COVID, but it was a pandemic cut. Seems like a marginal route that won't work with the issues in Hong Kong.
This is awesome. Need to start looking for award space asap
What’s the best way to book them? United?
Aeroplan but they have really scaled back availability
ANA if greater than T-4, Aeroplan for close in
Mileage Plus used to be a good way to book EVA award seats but that changed probably half a decade ago.
Aeroplan IIRC
It’s possible they still release 1J to partners when the route loads, while I’m not optimistic I’ll definitely be eyeing it
Really would not have thought I would be shifting from Chase to Citi at the beginning of 2025, but here we are
Dang. Wonder if they are getting the new product. Was hoping LA would get the new product but this will probably delay it
They're getting 787's like DFW and SEA
Do BOS next!
That is rumored to be on the list. I think EVA is waiting on their A350Ks.
Please please please
Where's my BOS to TPE 😭
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