I get the feeling this is a release them and see where they scatter to, monitor and collect more info. See what the tentacles of their ideologies end up.
I think it's a watch this space rather than a 'well that's that then'.
Their houses and comms are all likely now bugged and monitored whilst in custody
Arrested over fears "a violent act was possibly being planned"
Sounding like they panicked and apprehended them before they had any evidence they were up to anything and have no proof, so they've blown the chance to stop them if they were actually planning anything, which how thick would you have to be to plan something days after an attack, in an area already on high alert? Terrorists aren't smart but that is a stretch even for them.
Sounds also like they've jumped the gun stating they had extremist ideology and now just saying they're investigating it.
This is why they monitor. Jumping the gun and arresting them like this only to have to release them because there is no evidence to charge them with any crime doesn't help and just tips off any potential help they could have had in planning an attack.
And if it turns out they are innocent, they've only fed into people's fears for no reason.
If they're not charged, of course they'll be released. It's not illegal to have 'extremist ideology' as far as I know. Only to commit crimes that are based on it, like terrorism or planning terrorist acts.
There is NO place for fkers like this in Aust. They can fk right off. The sad thing is they bring disrepute to Islam as a whole, which is wrong. Fundamentalism needs to be stamped out. We should have ZERO tolerance. Can you imagine right wing christian fundamentalists moving to say Iraq or Iran and trying this shit? Remember you have to fight for peace.
There is Buddhist violence in SE Asia. We don't see it here because the media are focussed on the Middle East and couldn't give two hoots about what ASEAN are doing despite being the region we most need to build diplomatic and social ties with.
This is an interesting one because nun like Islam nowhere in Buddhist text or teaching is there instruction for violence or holy war or spread of ideology by force or any of that. The violence here falls more under the issue of faith as a power structure, which doesn’t excuse Buddhists or anything but it’s not like there’s a global risk of Buddhist violence due to radicalisation linked to fundamentals of their faith itself.
You do understand a vast majority of immigrants came in under right wing leaders? Statistically left wing leaders have let in a small number of immigrants than right wing leaders.
Immigration IS being cut down, it's almost half of it's peak and is on a still downward trend. Why don't you look up this information yourself? It's freely available.
I'm from Christchurch mate. What's your point? What has Christchurch got to do with the Islamic terrorist attack on Sunday at Bondi beach and the Islamic terrorist plot that was just foiled yesterday? Or Albo implying it was the far right for the Islamic terrorist attack (initially)
Radicalisation of right wing ideologies is the elephant in the room. It doesn't matter if it is Islam, incels, Nazis or some other brand of extremism, groups that see the tolerant, diverse majority as the enemy are the threat. Gun laws help keep the weapons out of their hands.
There are multiple issues that threaten the safety of the Australian community. Far right/ and/or Nazi groups, black market and now legal guns, Islamic terrorism, Christian nationalists, zionists (genocidal people/supporters are bad) so on and so forth. In 2019 a white Aussie slaughtered 50 muslims. Extremism is extremism. None of it belongs here. I’m here for regular religious people of all faiths who can and do abide by the law, and who do not want to harm one another. And we have to consider how easy is access to firearms in this country. What can be done to prevent wrongful use?
Islamist extremists are far right. Sorry to burst your bubble. Most Muslims are decent people who work hard. Most Christians are decent folk who work hard, then the extremists burn witches and cut hands off of thieves, most Jewish folk are great people who don't commit genocide and work hard, then the Zionists kill people and expect everyone else to turn the other cheek.Â
Seems the common denominator here is extremism and far right ideology. Also availability of guns is a pretty big thing when it isn't regulated. The idiots on Bondi Beach worked within the law, if that law was looser the toll on society would have been much higher.Â
What we have though is a Muslim man, saving the lives of countless Jewish people because he isnt an extremist and he is a shining beacon of humanity.Â
In Australia we meet stressing with the tools we have available. A great example is that home guy who helped fight off a knife wielding attacker with a trolley, or the guy who fought a killer off with a milk crate. Hero's, people who don't wait to act and use the tools available to them to save countless other people.Â
Because that worked last time? They never got anything out of the Guantanamo prisoners. One has brain damage. Many weren’t even terrorists. And the ‘evidence’ apparently given by the masterminds of 9/11 is not admissible in court because it was tortured out of them.
Use your head instead of being a bloodlusted monkey.
Released without charge. Suppose the taxpayer will have to fix their car. Suppose all of them will have neck and back injuries requiring compensation.
I guess anything anti-Semitic will get you thrown in jail, but Islamophobia will get you 3 cheers and a pat on the back for being a good racist.
I am a non practising aethiest, I can't be bothered with having anything to do with organised religon. But. I can't help wondering whether if you see 3 Muslims in a group whether we will need to report a terrorist plot. Like to me an extremist is someone who goes to church or temple every week, and the people at work who pray 3 times a day are definitely extreme Islamists, do I have to dob them in?
This post is a little tongue in cheek, but I honestly wonder are we rushing to implement laws and behaviours that hurt innocent people and make people scared to practice their religion, because that isn't part of our Australian values any more than anti-Semitic behaviour is.
Palestinians have been offered sovereignty five times since 1947. They always turn it down. The majority support Hamas whose charter says to wipe Israel off the map.
If Egypt and Jordan hadn't invaded Israel, Gaza and West Bank would still be Egypt and Jordan.
If Hamas hadn't done Oct 7th and committed war crimes by putting weapons and military infrastructure under schools and hospitals, children wouldn't be collateral damage right now.
There have been countless opportunities for the Arabs of that area to live peacefully over the last 80 years. They don't want peace. They want dead Jews and they put it in writing.
Maybe some agree that Israel should be wiped off the map. If so then the logic is fine to demonise only Israel and paint Gaza as purely a victim.
But if that's the case the the Jews were also victims of the countless Arabs and Persians and Europeans who colonised them long before.
Israel commits war crimes , they are not saints. But they've offered peace many times and it was rejected
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Explain to me how dead children overseas is in any way related to committing or planning to commit terrorism against Australians.
The Charlie Hebdo journalists may well have been atheists like me, should I express my dismay about that attack by threatening Muslim Australians? Of course not, because I’m not a fucking idiot.
Just read they're all likely to be released, so there is that.
Well, they are from Melbourne
And there not teenagers
They're*
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Where in Melbourne wonder
800ks north east out of Melbourne
I get the feeling this is a release them and see where they scatter to, monitor and collect more info. See what the tentacles of their ideologies end up.
I think it's a watch this space rather than a 'well that's that then'.
Their houses and comms are all likely now bugged and monitored whilst in custody
Until they act then everyone is supposed to be shocked and confused as to how this happened again.
OK. How did it happen? Why were they arrested? On what charges?
For eating a meal? A succulent Halal meal?
Obviously no one knows how it happened.
Arrested over fears "a violent act was possibly being planned"
Sounding like they panicked and apprehended them before they had any evidence they were up to anything and have no proof, so they've blown the chance to stop them if they were actually planning anything, which how thick would you have to be to plan something days after an attack, in an area already on high alert? Terrorists aren't smart but that is a stretch even for them.
Sounds also like they've jumped the gun stating they had extremist ideology and now just saying they're investigating it.
Too bad if they do something horrific in the meantime.
Well that's the monitor piece. I would think there are many eyes on them right now
Yeah just like ASIO had eyes on the guy at Bondi 😉
There's a difference between being ignored/overlooked and arrested by rapid response and then released
There is a difference between having your name flagged at some stage and actively being monitored.
Hard concept.
Edit: going by the amount of downvotes. It does appear to be a hard concept 🤣
This is why they monitor. Jumping the gun and arresting them like this only to have to release them because there is no evidence to charge them with any crime doesn't help and just tips off any potential help they could have had in planning an attack.
And if it turns out they are innocent, they've only fed into people's fears for no reason.
One can only hope.
Well that's a relief
If they're not charged, of course they'll be released. It's not illegal to have 'extremist ideology' as far as I know. Only to commit crimes that are based on it, like terrorism or planning terrorist acts.
There is NO place for fkers like this in Aust. They can fk right off. The sad thing is they bring disrepute to Islam as a whole, which is wrong. Fundamentalism needs to be stamped out. We should have ZERO tolerance. Can you imagine right wing christian fundamentalists moving to say Iraq or Iran and trying this shit? Remember you have to fight for peace.
Why do we accept this ideology in our country at all?
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Any religion should not be allowed in tbh
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https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/when-buddhism-turns-violent
There is Buddhist violence in SE Asia. We don't see it here because the media are focussed on the Middle East and couldn't give two hoots about what ASEAN are doing despite being the region we most need to build diplomatic and social ties with.
This is an interesting one because nun like Islam nowhere in Buddhist text or teaching is there instruction for violence or holy war or spread of ideology by force or any of that. The violence here falls more under the issue of faith as a power structure, which doesn’t excuse Buddhists or anything but it’s not like there’s a global risk of Buddhist violence due to radicalisation linked to fundamentals of their faith itself.
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It's likely they got in during right wing control.
Islamic extremism is closer to right wing Christo nationalism than it is to the left.
Ok tough guy.
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Yup. I’m just glad you’re not responsible for anything important, enjoy your bogan chamber champ.
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Very keen to hear of all the ways that you’ve been keeping Australia safe…
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You do understand a vast majority of immigrants came in under right wing leaders? Statistically left wing leaders have let in a small number of immigrants than right wing leaders.
So with a left wing leader at the moment in charge you’d be happy to cut immigration down?
Immigration IS being cut down, it's almost half of it's peak and is on a still downward trend. Why don't you look up this information yourself? It's freely available.
Police might say so but Laura Tingle knows better.
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My fear. I hope we course correct.
They get to come here to escape it....where will we have to go?
It's very much like that already in parts of Western Sydney.
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Wow you right wingers are feeling real left out at the moment huh?
Do you remember Christchurch? Do you think that wasn’t a significant event? One that we should not allow to occur in our country?
I'm from Christchurch mate. What's your point? What has Christchurch got to do with the Islamic terrorist attack on Sunday at Bondi beach and the Islamic terrorist plot that was just foiled yesterday? Or Albo implying it was the far right for the Islamic terrorist attack (initially)
Who commits over 95% of terror attacks? 5% would be insignificant
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Two things can be a problem, they're not mutually exclusive.
Radicalisation of right wing ideologies is the elephant in the room. It doesn't matter if it is Islam, incels, Nazis or some other brand of extremism, groups that see the tolerant, diverse majority as the enemy are the threat. Gun laws help keep the weapons out of their hands.
Nuance be damned.
There are multiple issues that threaten the safety of the Australian community. Far right/ and/or Nazi groups, black market and now legal guns, Islamic terrorism, Christian nationalists, zionists (genocidal people/supporters are bad) so on and so forth. In 2019 a white Aussie slaughtered 50 muslims. Extremism is extremism. None of it belongs here. I’m here for regular religious people of all faiths who can and do abide by the law, and who do not want to harm one another. And we have to consider how easy is access to firearms in this country. What can be done to prevent wrongful use?
Islamist extremists are far right. Sorry to burst your bubble. Most Muslims are decent people who work hard. Most Christians are decent folk who work hard, then the extremists burn witches and cut hands off of thieves, most Jewish folk are great people who don't commit genocide and work hard, then the Zionists kill people and expect everyone else to turn the other cheek.Â
Seems the common denominator here is extremism and far right ideology. Also availability of guns is a pretty big thing when it isn't regulated. The idiots on Bondi Beach worked within the law, if that law was looser the toll on society would have been much higher.Â
What we have though is a Muslim man, saving the lives of countless Jewish people because he isnt an extremist and he is a shining beacon of humanity.Â
In Australia we meet stressing with the tools we have available. A great example is that home guy who helped fight off a knife wielding attacker with a trolley, or the guy who fought a killer off with a milk crate. Hero's, people who don't wait to act and use the tools available to them to save countless other people.Â
I saw the news channels say it was unrelated to the Bondi shooting though.
Seems pretty related to me.
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Guns are part of the problem yes. Could the Bondi terrorists have done it without guns????
And he's right
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Sure, guns don't kill people, people do. Thats why the US doesn't have a higher rate of gun homi...oh wait.
Yeah. We are under attack.
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Because that worked last time? They never got anything out of the Guantanamo prisoners. One has brain damage. Many weren’t even terrorists. And the ‘evidence’ apparently given by the masterminds of 9/11 is not admissible in court because it was tortured out of them.
Use your head instead of being a bloodlusted monkey.
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You can denounce what the Zionist government does, and Islamic Fundamentalism at the same time.Â
Albanese: "extremist what? never heard of that, are you inventing words?"
Released without charge. Suppose the taxpayer will have to fix their car. Suppose all of them will have neck and back injuries requiring compensation.
I guess anything anti-Semitic will get you thrown in jail, but Islamophobia will get you 3 cheers and a pat on the back for being a good racist.
I am a non practising aethiest, I can't be bothered with having anything to do with organised religon. But. I can't help wondering whether if you see 3 Muslims in a group whether we will need to report a terrorist plot. Like to me an extremist is someone who goes to church or temple every week, and the people at work who pray 3 times a day are definitely extreme Islamists, do I have to dob them in?
This post is a little tongue in cheek, but I honestly wonder are we rushing to implement laws and behaviours that hurt innocent people and make people scared to practice their religion, because that isn't part of our Australian values any more than anti-Semitic behaviour is.
they were released?
Im shocked
Was it confirmed they had guns?
None at all.
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If only they would go travel overseas to fight those who they think are responsible instead.
Exactly. Most of these guys are too cowardly for that.
Too out of shape, weak and probably would end up like treated like Russian legionnaires are.
So you killing children and the elderly in Australia is a good thing? Noted.
So killing civilians in a country not at all relevant to the war is justified?
Get out. Nothing to do with poor people in Australia celebrating on the beach
Palestinians have been offered sovereignty five times since 1947. They always turn it down. The majority support Hamas whose charter says to wipe Israel off the map.
If Egypt and Jordan hadn't invaded Israel, Gaza and West Bank would still be Egypt and Jordan.
If Hamas hadn't done Oct 7th and committed war crimes by putting weapons and military infrastructure under schools and hospitals, children wouldn't be collateral damage right now.
There have been countless opportunities for the Arabs of that area to live peacefully over the last 80 years. They don't want peace. They want dead Jews and they put it in writing.
Maybe some agree that Israel should be wiped off the map. If so then the logic is fine to demonise only Israel and paint Gaza as purely a victim.
But if that's the case the the Jews were also victims of the countless Arabs and Persians and Europeans who colonised them long before.
Israel commits war crimes , they are not saints. But they've offered peace many times and it was rejected
This is too sensible for Reddit
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They’ll be just fine.
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Explain to me how dead children overseas is in any way related to committing or planning to commit terrorism against Australians.
The Charlie Hebdo journalists may well have been atheists like me, should I express my dismay about that attack by threatening Muslim Australians? Of course not, because I’m not a fucking idiot.
Should probably apologise.
People are allowed to follow their own beliefs whether the earth is flat or your want sharia law in Australia.
No that has no place in Australia. If you want that go to a muslim country