No you’re wrong lol. The coastal taipan delivers more venom in one bite but the eastern taipans venom is ALOT more deadly than the coastal taipan. They are both very dangerous but the eastern brown is still more dangerous.
For future reference OP - if a snake arcs up like that you back away out of there. The can move very quickly and bite. Just use your camera zoom if you’re that keen for a photo.
A group of us once encountered an eastern brown while out mountain biking. Half the group got past it before it was spotted on the side of a narrow track. One of the guys worked with snakes in venom research and advised that the snake was just chilling and watching us, told us to walk past one at a time, keeping the bike between us and the snake, while he watched it for signs of agitation. We all got past without incident and someone then asks how bad they are.
Correct. Without proper first aid, I’ve been told it can be goodnight in as little as 15-30 mins.
I’m so glad I had first aid knowledge before I went hiking. That, and the snake bandage I was carrying single handedly saved my life until I was able to be rescued 2 hours later in the bush, and taken to hospital
You can go longer. The trick is remaining calm, and NOT moving. Along with pressure bandage of course.
In fact I’ve heard stories (not sure how true) the indigenous Australians if bitten, would immediately lie down and stay completely still for 24 hours, and survive
Our guide in the Red Centre told us the same. She also explained that they would bury the limb that was bitten in the ground to prevent the poison from spreading.
When a snake bites, it’s normally a defensive bite as a retaliation. They’ll flee right after striking.
They aren’t hanging around trying to kill you or waiting to eat you 😅
Haha I would man. The most feared snake in most parts of the country. I can’t imagine the anxiety level, but good to know how effective proper first aid can be!
It’s actually very helpful, because I have browns and red bellies around my place and thought I knew how to bandage etc, but I actually didn’t know the recommended type of bandage and the latest advice on how to apply it is a bit different than what I remember.
ITT there are features of types of envenomations being jumbled together. Here's a simplified breakdown as I understand it:
You can be envenomated or get a dry bite and there would be correlations to snake size and how threatened the snake feels.
You can feel a bite or not and be able to see it or not.
You can be envenomated to the outer layer of skin only, to the underlying lymphatic system, intramuscularly and intravenously.
Venom in the lymphatic system moves to the organs slower.
A compression bandage is particularly effective against bites to the lymphatic system because that venom speed is further slowed.
Limiting movement slows lymphatic drainage.
Limiting movement and heart rate also slows blood circulation but with less benefit than with the lymphatic system.
Australian elapids tend to have small fangs that can't penetrate very deeply.
Clothing might mean the difference between a bite penetrating past the lymphatic system.
There isn't the same lymphatic void space and fascia in all parts of the body. Similarly, vein density and closeness to the skin surface varies. Ie it's probably better to be bitten on the calf than the hand.
This style of breakdown can be continued into discussing:
- why is messaging about first aid focussed upon the compression bandage and what is good and bad about that?
- when arriving at a hospital with snake bite, why do doctors apply treatment conservatively and what is good and bad about that?
Heard this too. It's the movement that gets the venom going through the lymphatic system. Best advice is to not move at all and have someone else apply a snake bandage and call for an ambulance or helicopter.
Had a friend doing some gardening around strawberry bushes and a brown snake bit him out of nowhere. Right through his leather boot. No venom. Very very lucky man.
Nope, if its coiled like that (and its mouth open), it is ready to strike,
Its venom is sacred (to the reptile), it wont strike unless needed, and the fact its arced up ready to strike, you are too close, back away slowly, no sudden moves, and it will continue to move away.
At the point it was coiled ready to strike, you were seconds away from finding out how quick the venom reacts, minutes from cardiovascular collapse, death WITHIN an hour.
See the way he is up, coiled, belly facing forward? He's ready to strike. Their strike speed can reach almost 2m per second, at up to two thirds their whole body length. If it goes off, it can have hit you twice or more and be pissing off before you have time to realise it has moved.
"opening its mouth and coming directly at me if I got too close" - if it is doing this it is almost certainly in strike range. Worse, if it is flexing it's jaw, it is almost certainly seating it's fangs and activating the venom glands. You can get lucky with dry bites. This? This wasn't going to be a dry bite.
You would have been safer getting a bloody gobby from a cannibal.
Google or YouTube "dead peasant insurance" its literally this. A bunch of US companies took out life insurance on thier most obese and/or unhealthiest employees without thier knowing or consenting and then getting paid. An executive actually rendered to it as "dead peasant insurance" in an email I believe, hence the name.
Hmm i wonder what this brown coloured snake that is threatening me with a bite is called. Lets fuck with it some more to get a good picture to find out what it is
Depending on if OP is in WA or in an eastern state, it'll either be a dugite or a juvenile Eastern brown respectively. Either way, not a snake you want to get close to or piss off
I was walking down the coast from Swanbourne to Freo years ago after a bit of a storm (and an argument with my gf so I was distracted) and I stepped over what I thought was a windblown branch. It was only as I stepped over it and it reared up that I realised what a dugite looks like close up.
Years later and I'm on a minesite in central WA and stepped over a brown hiding on one of those commercial doormats outside the mess. It was dark and I was walking into a brightly lit area. Now I know what they look like close up, too. He was a monster... popped out from under the projection tv in the beer garden the next night. Chairs flying, glass breaking, general stempede. Excellent entertainment.
When I did cadets, on camp when I was 16 I had to scout for an exercise the younger lads were doing. Essentially I had to walk the planned route alone to make sure there weren't fallen trees etc. that would block a landy getting in quickly if someone got hurt.
So fun quiet stroll through a NSW state forest by myself, sounds great. About 2/3 of the way through I see maybe 20m ahead a biiiiiggg brownie lying in the sun across the fire trail. As in tail on one side, head on the other. Thing was massive.
I stand there and admire it, beautiful creature, but no fucking way am I walking anywhere near it. Couple of minutes pass, it looks at me standing there, and just slithers out of the way. Just like "thanks for being polite and waiting for me. You can pass now"
It's a brown. I am going to assume someone else has already said it, but even after a tonne of scrolling, all I find is us typical Aussies are naming the snake, alleging it owes them money, or identifying it as a nope rope. Browns are highly aggressive, you are very lucky to catch these photos without being bitten. Don't try it again lol.
"Most extremely venomous species are not inherently aggressive, they truly do not want the smoke and would rather run away and hide than deal out their death juice.
The Eastern Brown disagrees with this philsophy, and wants ALL of the smoke at all times." (Stolen from YT)
Damn. If you got to see it arch up like that, you were way too bloody close. All for a photo to try to ID if it is dangerous or not. Which this one absolutely is.
ALWAYS assume that any Australian snake you see is venomous & that if you get too close you will be bitten. Keep your distance & leave them alone.
“That defensive posture sounds like a cobra raising up, mouth open, coming at you is classic behavior. Under a meter could be a juvenile, but still dangerous. Best move is distance and a call to local wildlife control, not DIY handling.
Boys, who cares, the important thing is to avoid these creatures and don't get bitten because if you do there's a good chance you'll be pushing up daisies
Eastern Brown
just the second most venemous snake on earth
3rd mate. 3rd. Let's not blow this out of proportion
Whats 1 and 2?
From memory they are the 1. Inland Taipan and 2. Coastal Taipan
No you’re wrong lol. The coastal taipan delivers more venom in one bite but the eastern taipans venom is ALOT more deadly than the coastal taipan. They are both very dangerous but the eastern brown is still more dangerous.
Venomous and dangerous are different )but important for practical purposes).
Inland Taipan is 1
2 is a sea snake, can't remember the name but I know it's an Elapid
Dubois' sea snake
According to literally everything, it’s the 2nd only being beaten by Australians inland Taipan.
Terrestrial. Sea snakes are a whole other scale of nope.
They are way less aggressive 🗿
A happy little Eastern Brown.
Doesn’t look real happy lol
They never do. Agro picks.
The Australian Snake group on fb call them "Frowny Brownie's". Because they look so angry
Eastern brown nope rope
Snake gave you warning signs and you didn't gtfo immediately??
For future reference OP - if a snake arcs up like that you back away out of there. The can move very quickly and bite. Just use your camera zoom if you’re that keen for a photo.
Thirty minutes.
A group of us once encountered an eastern brown while out mountain biking. Half the group got past it before it was spotted on the side of a narrow track. One of the guys worked with snakes in venom research and advised that the snake was just chilling and watching us, told us to walk past one at a time, keeping the bike between us and the snake, while he watched it for signs of agitation. We all got past without incident and someone then asks how bad they are.
"Oh, about thirty minutes" was the reply.
Eastern brown snake bite survivor here.
Correct. Without proper first aid, I’ve been told it can be goodnight in as little as 15-30 mins. I’m so glad I had first aid knowledge before I went hiking. That, and the snake bandage I was carrying single handedly saved my life until I was able to be rescued 2 hours later in the bush, and taken to hospital
Two hours! You were very lucky.
You can go longer. The trick is remaining calm, and NOT moving. Along with pressure bandage of course.
In fact I’ve heard stories (not sure how true) the indigenous Australians if bitten, would immediately lie down and stay completely still for 24 hours, and survive
And if you don't stay still at first, eventually you will stay still forever.
I was told the same stories and given the same advice during my first aid course
Our guide in the Red Centre told us the same. She also explained that they would bury the limb that was bitten in the ground to prevent the poison from spreading.
And sometimes it's a dry bite. That is still lucky of course :-)
What if the snake - or other snakes - are still around
What do you mean? Like after you’ve been bitten?
Yeah, basic qn but dont you first need to get to a safer spot
When a snake bites, it’s normally a defensive bite as a retaliation. They’ll flee right after striking. They aren’t hanging around trying to kill you or waiting to eat you 😅
DRABCD
You can survive like a day even with a compression bandage and not moving.
Venom is unlikely injected into a blood vein. So it will need to go through the lymphatic system
Do you feel hard af for surviving that? 😎
A little I guess haha. Believe me I didn’t at the time. Pretty scary and not fun
Haha I would man. The most feared snake in most parts of the country. I can’t imagine the anxiety level, but good to know how effective proper first aid can be!
It’s actually very helpful, because I have browns and red bellies around my place and thought I knew how to bandage etc, but I actually didn’t know the recommended type of bandage and the latest advice on how to apply it is a bit different than what I remember.
ITT there are features of types of envenomations being jumbled together. Here's a simplified breakdown as I understand it:
You can be envenomated or get a dry bite and there would be correlations to snake size and how threatened the snake feels. You can feel a bite or not and be able to see it or not. You can be envenomated to the outer layer of skin only, to the underlying lymphatic system, intramuscularly and intravenously. Venom in the lymphatic system moves to the organs slower. A compression bandage is particularly effective against bites to the lymphatic system because that venom speed is further slowed. Limiting movement slows lymphatic drainage. Limiting movement and heart rate also slows blood circulation but with less benefit than with the lymphatic system.
Australian elapids tend to have small fangs that can't penetrate very deeply. Clothing might mean the difference between a bite penetrating past the lymphatic system. There isn't the same lymphatic void space and fascia in all parts of the body. Similarly, vein density and closeness to the skin surface varies. Ie it's probably better to be bitten on the calf than the hand.
This style of breakdown can be continued into discussing: - why is messaging about first aid focussed upon the compression bandage and what is good and bad about that? - when arriving at a hospital with snake bite, why do doctors apply treatment conservatively and what is good and bad about that?
Oh and that would be an absolutely horrible 30 minutes too.
Aboriginals could supposedly survive a bite by just not moving for a few days.
Heard this too. It's the movement that gets the venom going through the lymphatic system. Best advice is to not move at all and have someone else apply a snake bandage and call for an ambulance or helicopter.
30 mins is worse case scenario. A lot of factors come in to play
Better off stopping where you are and avoiding any movement. As soon as you aren't seen as a threat they'll look to slither off.
I've almost stepped on eastern browns a few times and they've never been this angry at me. I also don't have photos this cool though.
In future OP, take this advice and GTFO instead of hanging around antagonizing it until it's fighty
Had a friend doing some gardening around strawberry bushes and a brown snake bit him out of nowhere. Right through his leather boot. No venom. Very very lucky man.
Always stay at least 3 snakes away from snake.
In this particular case make it 10.
I used to have a pet snake and that pic gave me some wild flashbacks to feeding time.
Just a python but so, so cranky
Freeze and don’t move, I believe.
Nope, if its coiled like that (and its mouth open), it is ready to strike,
Its venom is sacred (to the reptile), it wont strike unless needed, and the fact its arced up ready to strike, you are too close, back away slowly, no sudden moves, and it will continue to move away.
At the point it was coiled ready to strike, you were seconds away from finding out how quick the venom reacts, minutes from cardiovascular collapse, death WITHIN an hour.
Nope, you slowly and calmly back away keeping your eyes on it.
Survival instincts 0
I'm hoping this is a troll, like the occasional "whats this octopus with blue rings in my hands?"
The two pictures don't even look like they are the same animal. Im going troll post.
He followed that snake through the grass, across the gravel path, and into the sand. That gave the snake plenty of time to change it's look. 🙄
That's not sand in the second picture
Absolute insanity.
Dude you are not long for this world… I suggest you write up a will if you’re this stupid.
Gotta get those entrants for the Darwin Award one way or another.
Dude has accused others of lacking imagination.
"The snake was opening its mouth toward me in sort of biting motion but I have NO IDEA why..."
Let's hope the next snake wears a little sign saying "I'm going to bite you".
You have the survival instincts of a potato chip.
Missed opportunity to say potato cake and start a whole other discussion xD
Which flavour?
Snake food
a brown snake. or a “FUCKING BROWN SNAKE” depending on how close you are when you see it
See the way he is up, coiled, belly facing forward? He's ready to strike. Their strike speed can reach almost 2m per second, at up to two thirds their whole body length. If it goes off, it can have hit you twice or more and be pissing off before you have time to realise it has moved.
"opening its mouth and coming directly at me if I got too close" - if it is doing this it is almost certainly in strike range. Worse, if it is flexing it's jaw, it is almost certainly seating it's fangs and activating the venom glands. You can get lucky with dry bites. This? This wasn't going to be a dry bite.
You would have been safer getting a bloody gobby from a cannibal.
Brown snake. Stupid time to stop and take a photo.
Photos are fine if you use 'automatic' zoom and not 'get closer' zoom.
I dont think a brownie is rearing up at you if you're far enough away to need to zoom in
That is the point. Some people still zoom by moving closer... Like it is 1926.
Lol copy that
I hope you have life insurance my brother. If it was legal I take out a policy on your life and collect the next time you come across a lethal animal.
Google or YouTube "dead peasant insurance" its literally this. A bunch of US companies took out life insurance on thier most obese and/or unhealthiest employees without thier knowing or consenting and then getting paid. An executive actually rendered to it as "dead peasant insurance" in an email I believe, hence the name.
Congrats on messing with a very deadly snake, an Eastern Brown.
Why were you so close to the snake in the second photo? Like weren’t you scared, especially with the snake curling up and baring its fangs?
Hahahaha. Ha. Haha.......ahhhhhh
Yeah
Dont get so close next time
Brown snake.
They've been known to chase people who piss them off. They're very aggressive.
Also the second most venomous in the world....
Hmm i wonder what this brown coloured snake that is threatening me with a bite is called. Lets fuck with it some more to get a good picture to find out what it is
Where is it / are you?
Looks a bit like a dugite.
Depending on if OP is in WA or in an eastern state, it'll either be a dugite or a juvenile Eastern brown respectively. Either way, not a snake you want to get close to or piss off
I was walking down the coast from Swanbourne to Freo years ago after a bit of a storm (and an argument with my gf so I was distracted) and I stepped over what I thought was a windblown branch. It was only as I stepped over it and it reared up that I realised what a dugite looks like close up.
Years later and I'm on a minesite in central WA and stepped over a brown hiding on one of those commercial doormats outside the mess. It was dark and I was walking into a brightly lit area. Now I know what they look like close up, too. He was a monster... popped out from under the projection tv in the beer garden the next night. Chairs flying, glass breaking, general stempede. Excellent entertainment.
When I did cadets, on camp when I was 16 I had to scout for an exercise the younger lads were doing. Essentially I had to walk the planned route alone to make sure there weren't fallen trees etc. that would block a landy getting in quickly if someone got hurt.
So fun quiet stroll through a NSW state forest by myself, sounds great. About 2/3 of the way through I see maybe 20m ahead a biiiiiggg brownie lying in the sun across the fire trail. As in tail on one side, head on the other. Thing was massive.
I stand there and admire it, beautiful creature, but no fucking way am I walking anywhere near it. Couple of minutes pass, it looks at me standing there, and just slithers out of the way. Just like "thanks for being polite and waiting for me. You can pass now"
That's one unhappy snake and you're waaaay too close to it. You're pretty lucky it didn't strike.
It’s a brown danger noodle
those are the worst ones
Yeah, one you want to leave the fuck alone, judging by the aggression.
Can't be sure, but the photo of it reared up says it's likely an eastern brown.
One of the most venomous snakes in the world. I hope you were using a telephoto lens, because you're damn lucky not to have been bitten!
It's a brown. I am going to assume someone else has already said it, but even after a tonne of scrolling, all I find is us typical Aussies are naming the snake, alleging it owes them money, or identifying it as a nope rope. Browns are highly aggressive, you are very lucky to catch these photos without being bitten. Don't try it again lol.
Browns, like pretty much every other snake, are highly defensive, not aggressive.
Eastern brown like others have mentioned odd I haven't seen one yet and it's snake season
Eastern Brown.
May I say, they're not aggressive as such.
You got into it's space and it perceived you as a threat. What it was is defensive. Sounds like you were the aggressive one.
Eastern Browns will defend themselves for sure, but like most things, they'd far prefer to just be left alone to escape a threatening situation.
Yeah that definitely a nope rope
"Most extremely venomous species are not inherently aggressive, they truly do not want the smoke and would rather run away and hide than deal out their death juice.
The Eastern Brown disagrees with this philsophy, and wants ALL of the smoke at all times." (Stolen from YT)
It looks like a little brown one
OP you still alive buddy?
Eastern brown.
Left his ID at home so I couldn't sell him the beers and smokes he wanted. Sorry little fella.
Wondering why the fuck OP was getting "too close" to this overheated nope rope.
Complete lack of self preservation & common sense is my take.
/r/oopsthatsdeadly
How is any Aussie not able to identify a brown snake 😭
"brown snakes" come in at least 15 different colours so...
Soooo, a not so sexy '15 Shades of Brown'?
Yeap and according to a quick google image search they all look incredibly similar to one other. If it looks like a brown, turn the fuck around.
An angry one
That there is A nope rope also known as A danger noodle.
That's Bruce!
That’s Bob Brown, get out of his town.
Never really seen a brownie arch up like that. Cool pic but you're a numpy
He looks over 25, c'mon on mate, we don't need to ID this fella.
Next time you should carry a Red Bellied Black Snake in your pocket and have a pokemon battle if you see it again
No touchy touchy
Third most deadliest snake in the world an angry Eastern Brown snake. Stay clear of it, if you know what is good for you.
2nd, I believe.
Nope rope.
That’s a “not one you should be that close to if it’s that pissed” snek
location?
That would be Bert, Bert likes to be left alone, you should keep your distance from Bert and notify a ranger or a snake catcher.
Nope stick, and the second pic its warning you to back the eff off !
Eastern brown, Venomous, the fact its coiled, it is in a strike pose.
Don't let it bite you please...
Bro why would you get close to a snake 😭😭😭
You are standing next to death on legs. Wait! Make that Death without legs.
Looks like Steve
Slithery bastard
Where is this? It looks super angry. How close were you?
I hope you haven't lived in Australia your whole life, that's the only excuse for having this level of survival instincts
Not at your house I hope!
Damn. If you got to see it arch up like that, you were way too bloody close. All for a photo to try to ID if it is dangerous or not. Which this one absolutely is.
ALWAYS assume that any Australian snake you see is venomous & that if you get too close you will be bitten. Keep your distance & leave them alone.
Only one of the most venomous snakes on earth and you are there just casually pissing it off.
Ralph
Danger Noodle
It’s the bitey kind, leave it well alone.
Hard on the nope rope
That’s Kevin. His English isn’t good enough to tell you to fuck off so he has to try and bite you to make you go away. Next time back off.
Gerald
It’s a type 3-B danger noodle. Second edition. Caution advised. Venomous, but struggles with basic trigonometry.
Steven Slithers, outstanding citizen.
Looks like George
Thas Steve the Snake. Just leave him alone he's a good bloke at heart.
His name is Greg, hope this helps
“That defensive posture sounds like a cobra raising up, mouth open, coming at you is classic behavior. Under a meter could be a juvenile, but still dangerous. Best move is distance and a call to local wildlife control, not DIY handling.
Second picture is about to strike. You’re either a very brave person or a bit foolish.
Sam Johnson. Victoria.
Looks like a nope rope to me
Nope rope
I would say don’t keep texting how aggressive it can get by getting close to it
Boys, who cares, the important thing is to avoid these creatures and don't get bitten because if you do there's a good chance you'll be pushing up daisies
Theodore. He likes football, heavy metal and long walks on the beach at sunset.
My Ex wife
If it's brown put it down
Randall from main street, bit cranky but harmless