I’m going through a reread (or relisten I suppose thanks to audiobooks and many hours of driving). I’m catching myself smiling at a bunch of lines of foreshadowing I didn’t catch the first time around.
Everyone knows about some of the big hints for stuff (like with the Red Wedding), but what are your favorite lines that later become clear foreshadowing.
-just got to Cersei 7 in AFFC again and the line that made me think of this is during the Falyse discussion there’s this gem: Confess? Cersei did not like that word.
There’s another good one in the earlier Brienne chapters near the whispers where she’s thinking about what Nimble Dick says about the perfect knight’s head whispering “I should’ve used the sword”
"I am the prince Aemon Targaryen! I am the Lord of Winterfell!"
- Jon Snow during his childhood, ASOS
If Aemon is what Jon was going to be named had the Robert side not won, I wonder if Rhaegar was going for a Maester Aemon and Egg theme should Lyanna's child be a boy, especially given Rhaegar's closeness with Maester Aemon.
Sansa wishing for a hero to cut Janos Slynt's head.
And to think, in GRRM's first draft- he was hanged.
Tyrion talking to Oberyn about Viserys II and the allegations he poisoned his nephew. Not realizing Tyrion will be in the exact same situation not so long from now.
The prince laughed. "Viserys hardly reigned a fortnight."
"He reigned more than a year," said Tyrion.
Oberyn gave a shrug. "A year or a fortnight, what does it matter? He poisoned his own nephew to gain the throne and then did nothing once he had it."
"Baelor starved himself to death, fasting," said Tyrion. "His uncle served him loyally as Hand, as he had served the Young Dragon before him. Viserys might only have reigned a year, but he ruled for fifteen, while Daeron warred and Baelor prayed." He made a sour face. "And if he did remove his nephew, can you blame him? Someone had to save the realm from Baelor's follies."
"My lord father is waiting for you, your grace"
That one was soooo crazy. That and “bread, wine, mayhaps a sausage,” the Red Wedding was just a masterpiece
It’s crazy how this one chapter is loaded with symbolism and foreshadowing. All of AGOT is, really.
I believe in this theory because thematically, it makes a lot of sense. The names of the direwolves are extremely important: Lady's death represents how Sansa's naive notions of the world begin to crumble after her direwolf is executed: the sweet oblivious little lady is "dead". I am sure Summer's name stands for the very same thing that we learnt in the show. Ghost represents Jon's second life until he is resurrected. What does Nymeria stand for? Only the type of woman Arya admires? No, I think Arya will parallel her dear idol, leading the BWB after Stoneheart's death to once again fight for the smallfolk (not for the interests of the lords playing the game of thrones), and helping her people in their time of need. I think there's a hint in the scene where Arya encountered Harwin, since he kneels in the Inn of the Kneeling man (named after Torrhen Stark) before her...it is the same inn where Torrhen knelt in front of Aegon the Conqueror and gave up his crown.
I think we will see the circle close : in an inn, where the last King in the North lost his crown, one of his descendants will be crowned. And once again, when Arya reunites with Jon and "gives him the arms" by naming him King, we will see another Stark ruler giving up freely her crown to another Targaryen. Things have come full circle, indeed.
Edit: also, I think George intentionally makes a parallel between Nym's pack of wolves and Nymeria's fleet of ships.
Nymeria could save her people thanks to her ships, and the tales say she had 10000 of them, though the historians claim this is an exaggeration, a rumour deeply extended by people and there were way fewer ships... We already see the people in the Riverlands claiming there are hundreds of wolves. I think people will remember Arya and her wolves, with outrageous claims of the pack having thousands of them, and it is clear the pack will have an important purpose in the books (I think they are going to make great damage to the Starks' enemies)
Agree with all this. It makes too much sense thematically. I had considered Arya retreading Torrhen, but I hadn’t even considered the inverse with Arya and Jon. That’s really interesting because while few, Jon does have parallels with his ancestor. Good catch!
Joff is a bastard, and Jon is a prince.
Jon's most likely still a bastard
Yeah I'm definitely not sold on secret marriage, and even less on secret annulment with Elia. Buuut he's certainly closer to being a prince than Joff, actually being the son of a royal.
Foreshadowing the real killer of Jon Arryn in the very first book.
Excellent catch. There's also the whole Alyssa's (Alysa's? A Lysa's? Lysa's?) Tears - Tears of Lys(a) situation going on. GRRM wasn't really that subtle about it.
Multiple characters also make note of Lysa's unhappy marriage.
"You'd best pray that it's a wildling blade that kills me, though. The ones the Others kill don't stay dead... and they remember. I'm coming back, Lord Snow."
This line goes crazy.
"He does so love his work..."
-Varys, AGOT Eddard XI
Good foreshadowing on Ilyn for later in the book, but also interesting irony when Jaime reveals his squalid living conditions later in the series.
GRRM paints an interesting portrait with Ilyn Payne. Can’t help but feel bad for him.
Precisely I was talking about this very same thing with another user a few days ago, so I will copy paste my previous fav quotes:
And then George gives us such hidden little gems like this:
Robb never said mayhaps...hence the oath (wedding a Frey bride) was binding. And when they ask for guest right? Walder offers food while saying mayhaps:
Walder is implying Robb lost because he broke a binding vow, while he himself can lie because he said mayhaps: he won the Lord of the Crossing's game, replacing the previous lord (damn weasels)
Also, the foreshadowing with the cats' quote in AGOT is wild imo:
Lazy old cats dozing in the sun: Bran (greenseer, crippled, his wolf is Summer), quick little kitten with claws like needles: Arya (obvious why: quick, nicknamed the little sister, her sword is Needle); Ladies'cats: Sansa (Lady was even depicted with this adjectives: combed and trusting), cold-eyed mousers: Robb (he died), ragged shadows: Rickon (Shaggydog)....and lastly and most important: Balerion the cat, that represents the last remnant of the Targ rule, is a hint towards Jon's heritage, since he is nicknamed: "the real king of the castle" and is said to be a black bastard....who is called the black bastard of the Wall? Jon
There's so many great lines in JonCon's chapters.
The Lost Lord
The Griffin Reborn
I'm doing my first reread (relisten) now, and even as a show-watcher, I never caught the foreshadowing when Arya thinks about Vargo Hoat being known for chopping the hands and feet off of runaways they capture.
It was clear to me ..when I read that chapter I knew he would cut someone's hand or leg. But of course I didn't know who.
Foreshadowing for Varys being a Targaryen (Blackfyre actually)
The name Varys Blackfyre has a nice ring to it. I also like the theory that Serra was Varys' sister; Varys wanting his nephew on the throne makes him more "human" for lack of a better word.
I love how after 15 years from the last book .. you still discover new things in a simple question on Reddit .. this series is really amazing .. shame that it didn't complete
Alyssa Arryn had seen her husband, her brothers, and all her children slain, and yet in life she had never shed a tear. So in death, the gods had decreed that she would know no rest until her weeping watered the black earth of the Vale, where the men she had loved were buried. Alyssa had been dead six thousand years now, and still no drop of the torrent had ever reached the valley floor far below. Catelyn wondered how large a waterfall her own tears would make when she died. "Tell me the rest of it," she said.
A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VII
At this point we know Lord Arryn was killed with Tears of Lys, but the main suspicion is still on the Lannisters. It's one of the crimes that the then-prisoner Tyrion is suspected of. But GRRM is silently screaming the real answer at us. Two books before actually making the reveal, in the scenery description of a millennia old waterfall.
The widow Arryn – she's not Alyssa Arryn but she is a Lysa Arryn – and her tears connect to the death of her husband. She had "seen her husband slain." Not like a witness, but like "I will see it done." She doesn't truly weep for him. The only tears Lysa shed for her husband were the Tears of Lys that killed him. And then of course her punishment is that she herself is made to fall from the Giant's Lance.
Young Griff's alleged mother being a Tyroshi, likely a reference to how the Blackfyre pretenders after Daeron's half-brother were the children and descendants of Rohanne of Tyrosh. It would not surprise me if GRRM chose blue as Rohanne's signature hair color in a Fire and Blood sequel.
When Stannis is camped at the frozen lake
The entire description of the lake is Frozen Giants punching their way through frozen ice.
Which is foreshadowing for something that hasn't happened yet... when those buried In The Wall are breaking their way out of it as the Wall comes down
The cyvasse scenes with Arianne like Doran putting the black onyx dragon in her hand, her losing most of her matches, and her saying she likes the dragon when Daemon accuses her of favoring it too much. All foreshadowing for her hasty and doomed marriage to Aegon (also bad at cyvasse for relying too much on his dragon piece) who is a secret Blackfyre.
"It was you killed the dog m'lady" said by Gendry to Brienne. For me is a foreshadowing of Gendry who must duel against Lem Lemonclock, his companion and the new hound. Brienne killed Rorge with the Hound helm(a dog) and Gendry will fight the next dog (Lem with hound helm) in Jaime's Lannister trial at the Hollow Hill made by Lady Stoneheart in Winds.
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But Daenerys hasn't actually been pursuing the Iron Throne, has she ?
She's been tempted to pursue it properly. She fantasizes about it, but most of the time, she's been committed to her freedmen subjects. That's why she's still in Essos
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Yes, but arguably because she has been too permissive of badfaith slavers. The Mereenese, Yunkai, and Volantene nobility have been constantly sabotaging her cause and have made every effort to undo even the slightest push towards abolition. She should kill them