Kelvin and Celsius are the same scale. Only the 0 point differs.
While 0K being at absolute zero makes sense for sciency stuff, it makes everyday use more cumbersome, because you will never encounter anything below 200 Kelvin, so you're just adding "two hundred" for no reason.
Thus Celsius make as much or even slightly more sense in every day use than Kelvin. But they are compatible and you can quickly switch from one to another by adding or subtracting 273 degrees.
Celsius isn't the same as Kelvin. Kelvin is an objective scale based on the measurement of atomic movement. Celsius is a relative scale based on the states of water.
Yeah both are measuring temperature, which is Kelvin, but Celsius is like trying to use Newtonian physics the solve quantum mechanics. It isn't the right scale
They each have a different perspective, but are 1:1 on scale. +1K equals +1 °C. Using Celsius just makes more sense as it uses something we encounter every single day in our lives: water.
Fuck water! We are talking about objective reality. You going "but how does this relate to human understanding" is not fucking relevant. Humans don't matter on the cosmic scale. Use the cosmic scale
I use what I can see, touch and use in everyday situations. Not some pseudo intellectual bullshit.
You still fail to see that celsius is equal to kelvin, just on another scale. You do know 0K was mathematicly calculated from the celsius scale?? Long before we had any equipment that could possible measure such tempratures?
Little wiki qoute:
Thomson derived the value of −273 °C for absolute zero by calculating the negative reciprocal of 0.00366—the coefficient of thermal expansion of an ideal gas per degree Celsius relative to the ice point.[15] This derived value agrees with the currently accepted value of −273.15 °C, allowing for the precision and uncertainty involved in the calculation.
you are probably trying to engage in discussion, they is probably trying to disengage from addiction by getting banned or something. Don't take it personal.
If I am not heard of tomorrow, it is probably because I am banned BTW. I threw my ban-bait earlier when this one gal turned out racist.
every unit is a human construct. if we could switch to the topic of the measurement of lengths for a moment, how would you tell me the length of a toothpick? being a “scientific purist,” you could just say the the length of the toothpick is the length of the toothpick, since that’s how long it is. notice, however, that this is not useful. if i tell that to an alien, they’re not gonna have any clue on how long that is, since they don’t know what a toothpick is. if i wanted to communicate how long it is, i would have to say “it’s [blank] meters long, and the definition of a meter is [blank (in terms of universal constants].” if i do that, then the alien will finally be able to figure out how long that is in terms of schmeckles, say. their definition of schmeckles might be the distance light travels in 1/100,000 of a time-schmeckle, and their definition of time-schmeckles might be based on some other atomic phenomenon.
the metric system is a human construct that was created for the purpose of relating measurements to one-another. because otherwise, nobody would get anything done. if you’re such a “scientific purist,” why don’t you just say that the temperature outside is 1 unit of what it is?
Measuring temperature is a measurement of atomic movement. Celsius uses the state of water to determine its 0, but it’s still a measurement of the atomic movement in that water.
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Water is not a universal standard. In the vacuum of space or on a different planet water will behave differently. This is why water is not a valid scientific medium from a Scientific Purist model
Or else you've just proven you've got nothing and can be ignored outright.
"That's what temperature is" You don't fucking say!? So then the bottom of the scale should be ZERO atomic movement... If only we had a scale that had that as it's bottom limit. Oh wait, we do. It's called KELVIN!
I'm saying to use a universal scale. Not a human scale and you keep arguing to relate it to humans. The universe is not human. Humans don't matter. I don't give a damn about Social Constructs. I'm using Scientific Purism. Use the universe or shut up
And what makes you think I care about people? I'm arguing from the position of the Noumenon. If humans ceased to exist reality will still persist. The model built should be based on reality and not on humans. The intrinsic properties of the universe don't care about how inconvenient it is for humans
Your reasoning that humans matter is deeply flawed
Engage in science. Remove humanity and focus on the Noumenon. A mountain still exists even if there is nobody to observe it. A mountain still exists even if there is no conception of a mountain. Objective Reality is Mind-Independent.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" ~ Phillip K. Dick
Your argument is relational. My argument is objective.
If I measure in atoms and you measure in hands we'll both find that an object is the same height, because the object is what it is. But the point is that atoms are a fixed metric while your example is an arbitrary metric
But the point is that atoms are a fixed metric while your example is an arbitrary metric
Did you actually fail to understand my comment this badly?
Do you know what "delta" means. It's not the american airline company, it means difference. Difference means the subtracted value between two values. If the scale of two measurements is the same, as is the case with kelvin and celsius their delta is identical. A 10 degree temperature rise is 10 degrees in both kelvin and celsius.
However the absolute value of the two does not change to scale, so the percentage growth from 300K to 310K is different to 26.85C to 36.85C hence only one of the units can be used in calculations that use the measured temperature and not delta.
Yes, it is. The difference between 10 and 20 C is exactly the same as between 287 and 297 K. The scale is identical, the difference is the 0 points. For K its absolute zero, for C it's freezing point of water.
Yeah both are measuring temperature, which is Kelvin, but Celsius is like trying to use Newtonian physics the solve quantum mechanics. It isn't the right scale
Using Kelvin in every day life makes as much sense as using Heisenberg's indeterminacy principle to determine why there's a traffic jam in front of you, if nothing happened.
Sure, you can tell people it makes sense, but it doesn't.
You mean temperature is temperature? Wow! What a fucking revolutionary idea. When you went to school did the teachers have to talk slowly to you?
The scale is not identical because one is measuring the movement of atoms while the other is using an arbitrary touchstone (the states of water)
Your argument boils down to "Being accurate is dumb. People should be stupid instead". How about, No. How about we teach proper math. Also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says nothing about macro-level dynamics. If you're going to use an analogy you have to actually understanding what you're talking about first
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'." ~ Issac Asimov
You say much, but none of it makes sense. We have a saying in Poland, that a bell is loud, because it's empty inside.
Your argument boils down to "we should measure distance between two countries in nanometres, because it's SCIENCE!".
You want to posture yourself as so eloquent and educated, even though you're a muppet that can't comprehend the concept of "zero point" on a scale.
And a riddle to you: explain how 27.5C is any less accurate than 300.5K?
What's the difference between -40C and 233K?
How much more energy is required to cool down a particle from 100K to 50K compared to -174C to -224C?
Spoiler aler: the answer to all those questions is: THE SAME you muppet, because K and C are the same scales, they have identical differences between each degree step.
If yes; then use the universe as your measuring stick
If no; then you are insane and your opinion has no value
This isn't loud and saying nothing. This is Science with a spine. I don't need to be quiet and polite. I can say evolution exists and if you don't like it then you're an absolute dullard. I don't care if you don't like it. I want science to be as forceful as any other model. This is the way it is and if you disagree then you can GET FUCKED
If yes; then use the universe as your measuring stick
Soo... Does your car have a speedometer in speed of light? When telling someone the distance do you use light years? Do you measure yourself in parsecs? Do you tell your weight in atomic mass? Is your car's fuel consumption shown in Hubble spheres per astronomical unit?
Speed of Light is the upper speed limit. Technically a car's speed should be measured as Unity (Natural Units) thus making a car traveling at 50mph is traveling at a rate of 1.85 \times 10{43} or "Unity" (or Planck Distance/Planck Second) and if you claim Planck Distance over Planck Second is the speed of light that will show you are ignorant because you've inverted the equation to give the upper limit instead of the lower limit. These are discrete and universal "ticks" of the cosmos
Distance is a measure of Planck Lengths
Yes. I weight things is atomic mass (at least until we can quantify the weight of subatomic particles)
Fuel is energy. You measure it in Planck Energy Units
The universe doesn't care about humans, so why should our measurements care about humans?
Just admit that you're stupid and move on with your life
But both are arbitrarily based on splitting the energy required to take H2O from freezing to boiling at Earth's average atmospheric pressure at sea level, and cutting it into 100 equal parts. Why water? Why Earth pressure? Why not Mars? Why not methane? It also equates to a very random amount of energy.
A better scale would set a degree as the increase in temperature of 1 mol of hydrogen (the simplest element) from 1 KJ of energy at constant volume. Let's call it a HKJ. One Kelvin would equal about 20.3 HKJ.
I don't give a fuck about what you think you're saying. I'm arguing that it's the measurement of atomic movement that has nothing to do with water beyond that water is composed of atoms
If I could have Kelvin be even more accurate and not relate to Joules I would. Have it be measure by Planck scale amounts of movement so we get so accurate we are simply describing the Is
That's still Kelvin because Kelvin is the measurement of atomic motion
We don't make the scale. The universe tells us the scale
Clearly you don't understand. Absolute zero is based on atomic motion, the scale is not. 1 degree of change in Kelvin was set equal to 1 degree of change in Celsius. Celcius has absolutely nothing to do with atomic motion, it has to do with the properties of water at atmospheric pressure. It is a completely arbitrary scale.
And I do know that it is now set to a number of joules using Boltzmann's constant, but that constant is the arbitrary number that was needed to be nearly exactly 1 degree of Celsius.
Ideally, we'd start over. Start with time, redefine the second to be a round number 10x of vibrations of a specific atom. Then a distance measurement based on how far light travels in a single vibration, then a mass measurement based on a 10y multiple of the mass of a proton. Define a new unit of energy based on those new units of time, distance and mass, and a new degree based on that unit of energy.
But those aren’t even what Mr. Fahrenheit used for his 0° and 100° points…
From Wiki:
Several accounts of how he originally defined his scale exist, but the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt).
The other limit established was his best estimate of the average human body temperature, originally set at 90 °F, then 96 °F (about 2.6 °F less than the modern value due to a later redefinition of the scale).
No need for the underscores at all if you're worried about DOS file name limitations, i.e. 8.3 characters. Hyphens are usually preferred over underscores, though
Well, you're right that 8.3 wouldn't leave any choice but YYYYMMDD, but if I can have longer file names, I prefer underscores (and some additional info about what the file is about) for human readability. I find them more readable than hyphens.
Unless you want to use it to sort it numerically to sort it chronologically. I think it's more reasonable to have the most significant digit first, like any other number (computer science aside)
If you plot DDMMYYYY over time it looks wonky. YYYYMMDD plotted over time would be monotonically increasing
Might be unpopular to say, but Celsius vs Fahrenheit is the only spot where metric systems (SI, CGS, etc) have no inherent superiority to English units. Both are equally arbitrary and neither are tied in with the energy units in any meaningful way (and no, calories don't count - they're not tied in with the systems' core units like joules are).
F doesn’t tell you how humans feel. How humans feel is a mixture of what you’re used to and how you’re used to describing it. 0° F has no intuitive meaning in a place that barely gets below 0° C.
You’re confusing your familiarity with F and the associations to your experience for objective intuitiveness. It’s not. Neither is objectively better or more intuitive than the other. Each seems better to those that are familiar with it.
Resolution for what? There are 10 segments between fairly cold and quite warm in °C. There isn't even the need for that. For the human experience, even half of this resolution would be more than enough. Also, decimals are not especially uncommon. For what everyday task is it necessary to distinguish between 59 °F and 60 °F, and why is 15 °C and 15,5 °C worse?
You're just familiar with what you're familiar with but assuming it's superior.
No, I'm exactly not saying that. Please quote, where I said aything about °C being better than °F. I'm saying that both are equally intuitive depending on what you know, and that the accuracy of both is enough for everything in everyday life. I'm just saying even another unit with even hald the accuracy still wouldn't be worse than °C or °F.
Besides, you put a comma not a decimal point lol
Not gonna lie. I'm hoping this is just troll. You know that it's not a decimal point in every country, right? Decimal commas are a thing. Sorry, that I'm not using freedom numbers and their decimal point. But to add to that, the decimal comma is exactly as intuitive for me as the decimal point for you. None is superiour. Just like °C and °F.
Heard an Australian comedian talk about how he was a fan of Fahrenheit or freedom units as he called them, because when it was 50° outside it was 50% hot when it was 0° outside it was 0% hot and when it was 100° outside It was 100% hot.
It's probably a relic from the past when they wrote the date as actual words. Even now on diplomas or other fancy use cases like wedding invitations they write the date as something like "on this 3rd day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-five."
Fahrenheit 0 and 100 are more about what is survivable for humans. And 1 degree Fahrenheit is about the same precision as skin sensation; Celsius degrees need to be split for the conversation about how much too cold the room is.
I really, really, really hope whoever made this is an avant garde artist or something because they shouldn't be allowed to do anything that is dependent on rational thinking.
Fahrenheit is like a percentage of how temp feels to a person. 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot. 38 just doesn’t sound like a high enough number to equal hot, but 100 definitely sounds high enough. Celsius is just how water is affected by the temp.
"doesnt Sound like" so you See it depends just what you are used to? Because for me 40° Sound fkin Hot.
And it makes sense to know how water behaves, because whole nature depends on that
You only think that way because fahrenheit helped you think of temperature as a percentage thing. People who grew up with celsius have a perfectly good intuition of what 22°C, 8°C or 35°C feels like.
Whoever explained it to you is a dumbass, both measurements are based on the tampered freezing and boiling point of water, given whatever mixture the scale's creator used.
Btw, despite being an autonomous City state under polish kingdom, the Main language etc in the City was german, so Danzig is the objectively correct name, as the citizens itself called it either like that, or the latin name Gedanum.
Why are there so many feet in the liquid
Because Quentin Tarantino ordered this drink.
It's raining in the yard
This is hilarious
If a parody is misunderstood even by many people on the other side of the fence, it's a bloody good one!
I'm personally loving the 4th of July bit
Literally unnatural!
Yeah, well, well, but light travels exactly one foot in one nanosecond!
Okay, well, not exactly exactly. But very close. Close enough! Take that, metretards!!!
And here I am using Kelvin and knowing what temperature actually is
It warmed up today! Currently 277.039K
282 where I'm at, at the moment
Me too !
But can you be certain of where you are and when, at the same time? And how fast you are moving?
306 here!
South hemisphere?
I'm just going to use Rankine so everyone's mad.
applause
Me as a photographer: ahh yes, the temperature scale. Cool, warm, and white balance
I was gonna say, we should throw everybody off and use Kelvin
Kelvin and Celsius are the same scale. Only the 0 point differs.
While 0K being at absolute zero makes sense for sciency stuff, it makes everyday use more cumbersome, because you will never encounter anything below 200 Kelvin, so you're just adding "two hundred" for no reason.
Thus Celsius make as much or even slightly more sense in every day use than Kelvin. But they are compatible and you can quickly switch from one to another by adding or subtracting 273 degrees.
Celsius isn't the same as Kelvin. Kelvin is an objective scale based on the measurement of atomic movement. Celsius is a relative scale based on the states of water.
Yeah both are measuring temperature, which is Kelvin, but Celsius is like trying to use Newtonian physics the solve quantum mechanics. It isn't the right scale
They each have a different perspective, but are 1:1 on scale. +1K equals +1 °C. Using Celsius just makes more sense as it uses something we encounter every single day in our lives: water.
Fuck water! We are talking about objective reality. You going "but how does this relate to human understanding" is not fucking relevant. Humans don't matter on the cosmic scale. Use the cosmic scale
I use what I can see, touch and use in everyday situations. Not some pseudo intellectual bullshit.
You still fail to see that celsius is equal to kelvin, just on another scale. You do know 0K was mathematicly calculated from the celsius scale?? Long before we had any equipment that could possible measure such tempratures?
Little wiki qoute: Thomson derived the value of −273 °C for absolute zero by calculating the negative reciprocal of 0.00366—the coefficient of thermal expansion of an ideal gas per degree Celsius relative to the ice point.[15] This derived value agrees with the currently accepted value of −273.15 °C, allowing for the precision and uncertainty involved in the calculation.
I use the fundaments of reality. We are not the same
You don't engage in Scientific Purism
You use whatever you can to engage in discussions and calling anyone stupid or uneducated who does not agree. We are not the same indeed
you are probably trying to engage in discussion, they is probably trying to disengage from addiction by getting banned or something. Don't take it personal.
If I am not heard of tomorrow, it is probably because I am banned BTW. I threw my ban-bait earlier when this one gal turned out racist.
Reality is mind-independent and if you don't accept that then yes, you are stupid and uneducated
There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong. There is only one way to be right. Engage with Objective Reality or stop talking.
I'm glad we're not the same. I wouldn't want to be so ignorant about reality. I don't want to be just some ignorant monkey
every unit is a human construct. if we could switch to the topic of the measurement of lengths for a moment, how would you tell me the length of a toothpick? being a “scientific purist,” you could just say the the length of the toothpick is the length of the toothpick, since that’s how long it is. notice, however, that this is not useful. if i tell that to an alien, they’re not gonna have any clue on how long that is, since they don’t know what a toothpick is. if i wanted to communicate how long it is, i would have to say “it’s [blank] meters long, and the definition of a meter is [blank (in terms of universal constants].” if i do that, then the alien will finally be able to figure out how long that is in terms of schmeckles, say. their definition of schmeckles might be the distance light travels in 1/100,000 of a time-schmeckle, and their definition of time-schmeckles might be based on some other atomic phenomenon.
the metric system is a human construct that was created for the purpose of relating measurements to one-another. because otherwise, nobody would get anything done. if you’re such a “scientific purist,” why don’t you just say that the temperature outside is 1 unit of what it is?
r/iamverysmart
I'm not sure you engage in reality
this is some gourmet rage!
Measuring temperature is a measurement of atomic movement. Celsius uses the state of water to determine its 0, but it’s still a measurement of the atomic movement in that water.
Answer this or don't fucking answer again
What matters more?
or
Water is not a universal standard. In the vacuum of space or on a different planet water will behave differently. This is why water is not a valid scientific medium from a Scientific Purist model
“Answer this or don’t fucking answer again”
Or else what bozo?
You’re making bullshit claims. Celsius and Kelvin are the exact same scale, they just have different zero points.
You’re trying to claim Kelvin is a measurement of atomic movement, but that’s just what temperature is, any unit of temperature does that.
Now you’re trying to shy away from responding to the holes in your assertion by hiding behind this pseudointellectualism
Or else you've just proven you've got nothing and can be ignored outright.
"That's what temperature is" You don't fucking say!? So then the bottom of the scale should be ZERO atomic movement... If only we had a scale that had that as it's bottom limit. Oh wait, we do. It's called KELVIN!
I'm saying to use a universal scale. Not a human scale and you keep arguing to relate it to humans. The universe is not human. Humans don't matter. I don't give a damn about Social Constructs. I'm using Scientific Purism. Use the universe or shut up
People aren’t going to start going around saying it’s 300k outside.
Your reasoning for supporting Kelvin over Celsius is deeply flawed.
"people aren't going to..."
And what makes you think I care about people? I'm arguing from the position of the Noumenon. If humans ceased to exist reality will still persist. The model built should be based on reality and not on humans. The intrinsic properties of the universe don't care about how inconvenient it is for humans
Your reasoning that humans matter is deeply flawed
Since I'm a human and I presume you are also a human I'd think #2 is not only more important but the only achievable metric.
Therefore you're a solipsistic moron.
Engage in science. Remove humanity and focus on the Noumenon. A mountain still exists even if there is nobody to observe it. A mountain still exists even if there is no conception of a mountain. Objective Reality is Mind-Independent.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" ~ Phillip K. Dick
You are right and wrong at the same time.
If a physics equation uses temperature delta then it doesn't matter if it's kelvin or celsius because both have the same delta.
If the equation uses absolute temperature measurement, then it usually assumes kelvin since it doesn't go to negatives.
You're not listening to what I'm saying
Your argument is relational. My argument is objective.
If I measure in atoms and you measure in hands we'll both find that an object is the same height, because the object is what it is. But the point is that atoms are a fixed metric while your example is an arbitrary metric
Did you actually fail to understand my comment this badly?
Do you know what "delta" means. It's not the american airline company, it means difference. Difference means the subtracted value between two values. If the scale of two measurements is the same, as is the case with kelvin and celsius their delta is identical. A 10 degree temperature rise is 10 degrees in both kelvin and celsius.
However the absolute value of the two does not change to scale, so the percentage growth from 300K to 310K is different to 26.85C to 36.85C hence only one of the units can be used in calculations that use the measured temperature and not delta.
Does this make it more clear to you?
Yes, it is. The difference between 10 and 20 C is exactly the same as between 287 and 297 K. The scale is identical, the difference is the 0 points. For K its absolute zero, for C it's freezing point of water.
Using Kelvin in every day life makes as much sense as using Heisenberg's indeterminacy principle to determine why there's a traffic jam in front of you, if nothing happened.
Sure, you can tell people it makes sense, but it doesn't.
You mean temperature is temperature? Wow! What a fucking revolutionary idea. When you went to school did the teachers have to talk slowly to you?
The scale is not identical because one is measuring the movement of atoms while the other is using an arbitrary touchstone (the states of water)
Your argument boils down to "Being accurate is dumb. People should be stupid instead". How about, No. How about we teach proper math. Also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says nothing about macro-level dynamics. If you're going to use an analogy you have to actually understanding what you're talking about first
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'." ~ Issac Asimov
Kelvin is defined in terms of Boltzmann constant.
Celsius is defined to have each unit the same as Kelvin with the relationship
t/°C = T/K − 273.15
Neither is defined in terms of water.
Oh, I missed the 2019 definition update, back when I was in university it was still defined by the freezing point of water.
Previous to that the Kelvin was defined off the triple point of water. And Celsius defined off Kelvin.
Kelvin has always been defined as the motion of atoms
You say much, but none of it makes sense. We have a saying in Poland, that a bell is loud, because it's empty inside.
Your argument boils down to "we should measure distance between two countries in nanometres, because it's SCIENCE!".
You want to posture yourself as so eloquent and educated, even though you're a muppet that can't comprehend the concept of "zero point" on a scale.
And a riddle to you: explain how 27.5C is any less accurate than 300.5K?
What's the difference between -40C and 233K?
How much more energy is required to cool down a particle from 100K to 50K compared to -174C to -224C?
Spoiler aler: the answer to all those questions is: THE SAME you muppet, because K and C are the same scales, they have identical differences between each degree step.
No. You're just too stupid to understand
Is the universe an objective metric; yes or no?
If yes; then use the universe as your measuring stick
If no; then you are insane and your opinion has no value
This isn't loud and saying nothing. This is Science with a spine. I don't need to be quiet and polite. I can say evolution exists and if you don't like it then you're an absolute dullard. I don't care if you don't like it. I want science to be as forceful as any other model. This is the way it is and if you disagree then you can GET FUCKED
Darwin's Bulldog wasn't nice about it
Soo... Does your car have a speedometer in speed of light? When telling someone the distance do you use light years? Do you measure yourself in parsecs? Do you tell your weight in atomic mass? Is your car's fuel consumption shown in Hubble spheres per astronomical unit?
You need to seek help.
Speed of Light is the upper speed limit. Technically a car's speed should be measured as Unity (Natural Units) thus making a car traveling at 50mph is traveling at a rate of 1.85 \times 10{43} or "Unity" (or Planck Distance/Planck Second) and if you claim Planck Distance over Planck Second is the speed of light that will show you are ignorant because you've inverted the equation to give the upper limit instead of the lower limit. These are discrete and universal "ticks" of the cosmos
Distance is a measure of Planck Lengths
Yes. I weight things is atomic mass (at least until we can quantify the weight of subatomic particles)
Fuel is energy. You measure it in Planck Energy Units
The universe doesn't care about humans, so why should our measurements care about humans?
Just admit that you're stupid and move on with your life
No, Celcius is defined based on the Kelvin scale. Water plays no direct or indirect role in the definition
What is 0⁰ on the Celsius scale?
Please use fundamental units of the universe instead of things that relate to humans. The universe doesn't care about humans
But both are arbitrarily based on splitting the energy required to take H2O from freezing to boiling at Earth's average atmospheric pressure at sea level, and cutting it into 100 equal parts. Why water? Why Earth pressure? Why not Mars? Why not methane? It also equates to a very random amount of energy.
A better scale would set a degree as the increase in temperature of 1 mol of hydrogen (the simplest element) from 1 KJ of energy at constant volume. Let's call it a HKJ. One Kelvin would equal about 20.3 HKJ.
No. Kelvin is based on the movement of atoms. That is a universal constant
Only the zero is. The degree units are set equal to Celsius degrees, which are based on the difference between freezing and boiling water.
So you're not listening
I don't give a fuck about what you think you're saying. I'm arguing that it's the measurement of atomic movement that has nothing to do with water beyond that water is composed of atoms
If I could have Kelvin be even more accurate and not relate to Joules I would. Have it be measure by Planck scale amounts of movement so we get so accurate we are simply describing the Is
That's still Kelvin because Kelvin is the measurement of atomic motion
We don't make the scale. The universe tells us the scale
Clearly you don't understand. Absolute zero is based on atomic motion, the scale is not. 1 degree of change in Kelvin was set equal to 1 degree of change in Celsius. Celcius has absolutely nothing to do with atomic motion, it has to do with the properties of water at atmospheric pressure. It is a completely arbitrary scale.
And I do know that it is now set to a number of joules using Boltzmann's constant, but that constant is the arbitrary number that was needed to be nearly exactly 1 degree of Celsius.
Ideally, we'd start over. Start with time, redefine the second to be a round number 10x of vibrations of a specific atom. Then a distance measurement based on how far light travels in a single vibration, then a mass measurement based on a 10y multiple of the mass of a proton. Define a new unit of energy based on those new units of time, distance and mass, and a new degree based on that unit of energy.
But those aren’t even what Mr. Fahrenheit used for his 0° and 100° points…
From Wiki:
look closer my friend...the whole thing is a rage bait
It doesn't look like rage bait. It looks like a joke.
rage bait or joke are the same really...just depends on your perspective.
I assumed the person above me trying to explain how wrong the joke was goes straight to rage bait as they don't even know its a joke.
Imagine what a different world itd be if he used sodium chloride instead in his brine
Exactly the same, except for the Fahrenheit scale
I thought it had to do with measuring a pig's body temperature?
Maybe a pigs body temp was his approximation of human body temp?
I heard it was a horse's
I thought it was a cow’s. I thought they would set it by sticking the thermometer up a cows butt and making that 100
Same for Mr. Celsius. 100 was freezing and 0 was boiling
Fun fact: it was later discovered that average body temperature nowadays is lower than 98.6 degrees
Top tier shitpost.
Based
People from modern-day Danzig (Gdańsk) are very sorry for Fahrenheit.
Not sure if trolling...
It definitely is.
Definitely trolling. With that much lies, false presentations and cherry picking.
Not badly done, to be honest
Most of the posts here are trolling.
Blue rectangle look nice. Me agree now. Mind changed. Wow.
The only reasonable date format is YYYY/MM/DD change my mind.
No. I will not.
No. The only reasonable date format is YYYY_MM_DD because DOS file names don't allow for slashes. ;-)
No need for the underscores at all if you're worried about DOS file name limitations, i.e. 8.3 characters. Hyphens are usually preferred over underscores, though
Well, you're right that 8.3 wouldn't leave any choice but YYYYMMDD, but if I can have longer file names, I prefer underscores (and some additional info about what the file is about) for human readability. I find them more readable than hyphens.
DD/MM/YYYY also reasonable date format, because it is just reversed YYYY/MM/DD
Unless you want to use it to sort it numerically to sort it chronologically. I think it's more reasonable to have the most significant digit first, like any other number (computer science aside)
If you plot DDMMYYYY over time it looks wonky. YYYYMMDD plotted over time would be monotonically increasing
YYYYMMDD is best and it isn’t even close, but MMDDYYYY will at least be semi-usable when sorted.
DDMMYYYY is just utter chaos if sorted numerically.
20% of the world uses this, contrary to OP's claim of "rest of the world"...
If you're making databases and just want your life to be easier. Or if you're a time traveler who doesn't know what year they're in.
Why would you start writing your dates with the least relevant thing?
YMD for storage, DMY for everyday use, MDY for edge cases and USians.
Might be unpopular to say, but Celsius vs Fahrenheit is the only spot where metric systems (SI, CGS, etc) have no inherent superiority to English units. Both are equally arbitrary and neither are tied in with the energy units in any meaningful way (and no, calories don't count - they're not tied in with the systems' core units like joules are).
Well, technically SI doesn't use Celsius. But I get what you mean, human temperature measurement is weird.
98.6? What's so weird about that?!?
Fun fact, the 0.6 is because it was converted from Celsius without using significant figures (37 °C), not because it is that precise.
The whole idea is that it should be 100
the joke
your head
Celsius tells you how water feels. Fahrenheit tells you how humans feel. It just depends on what you're trying to convey.
So humans feel like the freezing point of a salty brine?
F doesn’t tell you how humans feel. How humans feel is a mixture of what you’re used to and how you’re used to describing it. 0° F has no intuitive meaning in a place that barely gets below 0° C.
It's ok to be wrong.
0°F you're really cold 100°F you're really hot
0°C you're cold 100°C you're dead
100°C has no intuitive meaning in a place that barely gets above 85°F.
And there is a sauna in the aquapark with 110*C. And you are not dead.
You’re confusing your familiarity with F and the associations to your experience for objective intuitiveness. It’s not. Neither is objectively better or more intuitive than the other. Each seems better to those that are familiar with it.
Ironically that's you
I’m noting that while C seems more natural to me that’s just familiarity and there’s no objective advantage. So, no. You can’t play the kinder game
0 °C you're cold and need to pay attention to freezing streets and rain becoming snow.
10 °C you're fairly cold and need a jacket.
20 °C you're quite warm and can go on without a jacket.
30 °C you're hot and need to pay extra attention to hydration and time in the sun.
It's telling you how a human feels just as good as °F. It's just that what you know is what you consider to be intuitive.
Fahrenheit has 1.8 times the resolution as Kelvin
Resolution for what? There are 10 segments between fairly cold and quite warm in °C. There isn't even the need for that. For the human experience, even half of this resolution would be more than enough. Also, decimals are not especially uncommon. For what everyday task is it necessary to distinguish between 59 °F and 60 °F, and why is 15 °C and 15,5 °C worse?
You're just familiar with what you're familiar with but assuming it's superior.
If you can't figure out how a number without a decimal is preferable to a number with one, oh well.
Besides, you put a comma not a decimal point lol
No, I'm exactly not saying that. Please quote, where I said aything about °C being better than °F. I'm saying that both are equally intuitive depending on what you know, and that the accuracy of both is enough for everything in everyday life. I'm just saying even another unit with even hald the accuracy still wouldn't be worse than °C or °F.
Not gonna lie. I'm hoping this is just troll. You know that it's not a decimal point in every country, right? Decimal commas are a thing. Sorry, that I'm not using freedom numbers and their decimal point. But to add to that, the decimal comma is exactly as intuitive for me as the decimal point for you. None is superiour. Just like °C and °F.
lol I just tossed that one in for fun
I have never used farenheit.
Without looking, i would guess "really hot" is 30⁰C And "really cold" is -5⁰C
This apparently translates to 86⁰F and 23⁰F
If farenheit was intuitive, i would be at least close to guessing correct, i was not.
Farenheit is not intuitive because "really hot" can mean anything. Really hot for you is, i won't go outside under any circumstance, for me.
For meteorological purposes, hot being over 100 and cold being below zero is a pretty typical experience
Human mainly consist of water, and so does whole nature, so it makes sense to know how water "feels" (lel)
The only advantage celsius has is that it's easy to convert to kelvin
Heard an Australian comedian talk about how he was a fan of Fahrenheit or freedom units as he called them, because when it was 50° outside it was 50% hot when it was 0° outside it was 0% hot and when it was 100° outside It was 100% hot.
Funny thing; an inch is defined by a length in millimetres. (25.4 as I remember.)
I've only just noticed that they SAY the date the other way round (Except July 4th for some reason)
It's probably a relic from the past when they wrote the date as actual words. Even now on diplomas or other fancy use cases like wedding invitations they write the date as something like "on this 3rd day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-five."
YOU'RE NOT LOGICAL, FOOT MEASURER!
USA, makes up only 4% of the earths population, still deluded with their ancient units.
But is the song from Katy Perry "July the fourth" or "the fourth of July"?
Oh there are 0C outside, mmmm I see i must be careful about ice.
Maximum density for water is at 4C
There are 20C outside, yes my perfect temperature.
Water boils at 100 C, which is perfect for pasta
The water cooling in my car shouldn't go beyond 100 C, because boiling water may damage the radiator.
I don't know you imperial guys what are thinking at by saying that SI units are non sensical compared to measure length in ducks.
What's your annual highest temperature in the summer? Also, weather does go below freezing in winter in many places.
Thank god it isn’t a binary scale then.
Knowing it's below 0 is important for... Being outside. So when the temperature is -5 or something you know to be careful of ice.
So how many dicks are there in the yard?
There are 6 shafts to a yard.
In your yard? I'm guessing at least one. 😅 I
There's people who don't understand that this is satire...
People are falling for this lol. It’s clearly a joke
This is actually a halfway useful conversation table lmao
Wow.
Is it the "4th of July" celebration or "July 4th" celebration Americans do?
Both. That's FREEDOM BABY!!!
I think I just took psychic damage
Why is there Chlorine in the gallon?
Centiliter, a hundreth of a Liter. But yes, you are correct, it should be "cl", not "Cl"
Chlorine in a gallon and Curium in a yard. So irresponsible to just leave these things lying around
Imaging USA saying ANYTHING about any measurement scale.
anything
At least Celsius makes easy to know what temperature boils/freezes water
Depends on your altitude
Fahrenheit 0 and 100 are more about what is survivable for humans. And 1 degree Fahrenheit is about the same precision as skin sensation; Celsius degrees need to be split for the conversation about how much too cold the room is.
The boiling point and freezing point of water are not constants.
That pic is 100% accurate and I will not hear otherwise.
i'm all for switching to meters and liters, but the only thing better about celsius than fahrenheit is that it's easier to spell.
It's funny because whenever "Fourth-of-Jully" pops up, the fat fucks never call is "July-Fourth".
Lmao
Gdańsk*
in 1708 it was still Gdańsk not Danzig
I really, really, really hope whoever made this is an avant garde artist or something because they shouldn't be allowed to do anything that is dependent on rational thinking.
One big successfull rage bait.
Congrads, OP. Now my eye is twitching.
Fahrenheit is like a percentage of how temp feels to a person. 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot. 38 just doesn’t sound like a high enough number to equal hot, but 100 definitely sounds high enough. Celsius is just how water is affected by the temp.
"doesnt Sound like" so you See it depends just what you are used to? Because for me 40° Sound fkin Hot. And it makes sense to know how water behaves, because whole nature depends on that
You only think that way because fahrenheit helped you think of temperature as a percentage thing. People who grew up with celsius have a perfectly good intuition of what 22°C, 8°C or 35°C feels like.
Nice, a bit cold and fucking hot
I had it explained to me once. Fahrenheit is temperature in relation to the human body. Celsius is temperature in relation to phases of water.
The second is true. The first isn’t really.
How humans perceive temperature isn’t a fixed thing. It’s a combination of experience and cultural description.
Whoever explained it to you is a dumbass, both measurements are based on the tampered freezing and boiling point of water, given whatever mixture the scale's creator used.
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Gdańsk, not "Danzig"
By the Time Fahrenheit lived there it was indeed Danzig. And you can still call it like that
But in 1708 it was not
And when exactly do you think Fahrenheit lived?
Btw, despite being an autonomous City state under polish kingdom, the Main language etc in the City was german, so Danzig is the objectively correct name, as the citizens itself called it either like that, or the latin name Gedanum.
Ngl i like F for everyday temp. Works a bit better.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, values get weird if you mix different scales? WHO WOULDA THUNK?!
Even the imperial in itself arent consistent...
Given the very arbritary values in the lower charts, this has to be ragebait?
Gosh, isn't it amazing that the ameritards are right and that it's the rest of the world that's stoopid?
Your intelligence isn't defined by how smart your fellow citizens are
America should use the Kelvin scale as it's populated by absolute zeros.🤣🤣🤣
If you are an ameritard get an educated "Euopoor" to tell you why that's funny
this must have been posted by a moron!