Edit: Who tf is downvoting?? y'all are disgusting af if you seriously think being glad about the death of an author just because you didn't like their work is anything other than the pinnacle of being a braindead moron
question. if someone draws CP, and said person dies before they can finish it, do we rejoice?
since that anime contains scenes where men and women are :
1) having their bodies exposed without dignity by zombies
and
2) being brutally eaten alive, with us having to hear their agonizing, dying screams
do we not rejoice at the author’s death before he finishes his work? if we don’t, that means we put the limit at fiction. so fictional CP shouldn’t make us want the author to die.
am i missing something here before i get downvoted to hell for actually thinking it through, or am i correct in assuming that fictional art = not wanting real violence, and real, violent “art” = wanting real violence?
No, even if someone does something I find disgusting, as long as it's not hurting people I'm not going to be happy they die. People are way too fucking happy to wish death on people or things they don't like. Crazy.
got it. so someone can advocate for children to be able to have sex with adults, and you won’t want that person to be neutralized yes? since art is inherently capable of affecting minds and thoughts, and words and art is communication, you’d respect that opinion even if you disagree?
don’t you see why freedom of speech has limits? advocating for something and making art of it, depending on the context, can be the same thing. like how murder is normalized in media whilst rape is not. if you allow fictional CP, it desensitizes humans to regular CP, which desensitizes humans to real harm.
yes, i’d wish punishment on that person. perhaps not death, because mercy and redemption are a thing, but punishment nonetheless.
If seeing a drawing is enough to make you think that something should be legal, then you have serious problems. It's like you mentioned with murder, it's in media and depicted all the time but we don't have people going around thinking it should be legalized.
Yes, free speech does occasionally allow gross or bad things to be said or put out there. But this is combated with the good will and common sense of people in general. I don't believe that someone drawing loli or young characters is going to make people suddenly believe real CP isn't harmful or dangerous. It's just a drawing. Even if it's gross, it's not real.
This is a grey topic for sure, it's illegal some places and not others, so it's obvious there isn't a true consensus on it. I think that people should be allowed to express themselves as long as it's not real and doesn't actively hurt someone. You think things should be more restrictive and forced to serve greater social norms. It is what it is.
i don’t think things should be more restrictive. i despise the idea of a government at all. this is a stance on what art does to a human mind, not on what laws should be installed. i pointed out the limits of freedom of speech, because in a society without protections, people who draw CP would be killed. if they’re in power, that’s a different story. they wouldn’t be killed, simply because they have power.
that “drawing” is an idea. that idea is sexual abuse of children. i don’t mind a little ethical stretching in fantasy or kink, but you’re stretching it a little fucking much when including children. that’s my entire point, that it’s not just a nothing drawing with no effect on reality. it has an effect on people’s minds. why do you think tyrannical states use visual propaganda so much?
i’m not the one with issues here, i just see a problem where you see harmless fun. it’s only harmless fun if someone is mentally prepared to detach reality from fiction, and if you haven’t realized yet, most people don’t fully detach from fiction. hence why we feel bad for characters we like.
I have a little more faith in people's ability to understand fiction vs reality then. Online interaction, content and media already exposes us to so much. I'd think that people who can't understand fiction vs reality are a serious liability to themselves and others, it's delusional not to be able to.
I also think you should be careful about idealizing a "society without protections". I think almost every group of people would be targeted or killed by some other in that kind of situation lol. Think about how many people have been targeted or killed by people within systems that try to offer protection. Not to say governments are perfect or don't have their own deep pits of corruption but human nature can be pretty ugly at times without some kind of common code or body to reign us in. Still this is going way off topic now.
Like you said I see it as harmless where you think it carries more influence, that's just how it is.
yeah, i’m seeing that ugly part of human nature right now in this comment section.
about that last part, am i allowed to consider certain human groups being systematically eradicated as harmless, if i don’t consider them human? if if’s harmless fun to me and terrifyingly evil to you, what gives? in the end, are we not both humans with rationality? how do you compare rationality when there is no cosmic arbiter?
since i’ve been the one to be perceived to being morally wounded by the revelation that CP is accepted in this subreddit, allow me to push what you consider acceptable instead. it’s just how it is, isn’t it?
Of course there isn't some kind of cosmic arbiter or something, I don't know why you think I said there was. And yes, you are allowed to think something I think is terrifyingly evil is harmless. You're simply being irrational. How can I compare rationality without this? Very easily.
The common sense of people dictates our laws and societal norms. I can rest easy knowing that even if some nutjob thinks murdering people they disagree with should be legal, it would never come to pass unless there was some kind of massive, drastic societal change or collapse. So yeah, idgaf if you have crazy beliefs because I have the faith that the majority of the population won't suddenly go batshit insane.
so i found what you find unacceptable after all. harm of real people. you also have a belief that there is such a thing as common sense, but history would disagree. not in the way that common sense does not exist, but that common sense has any moral charge. common sense in the 1800s in america meant that slavery was good. common sense in a medieval nation meant that eliminating nations of other faiths was holy.
your identity relies on the security of numbers and perceived righteousness. that’s fair, and human. very temporal too, so if that social breakdown does happen as is possible to happen at any time, seeing how the economy and politics of the world are… messy rigbt now, you may find yourself to be on the “wrong” side of society. then again, dying for your beliefs has been seen as honourable for a while now, so maybe it’s not so bad.
I don't know what you intend to prove other than that values change? Yes, what was commonly seen as acceptable no longer is. Those things were a product of the people who lived at the time and the circumstance of the entire planet.
Literally everything is temporal or subject to change. There is not a single human idea or thought that has existed or will exist for all time in perpetuity. Societies have vastly different values over time, etc.
My belief relies on the faith that we will not rapidly and suddenly backslide hundreds of years and suddenly believe all the things we left behind are fine. Is it possible? I guess. Is it probable at all in any kind of way? No lmao.
If you're trying to find some mode of living or system of belief that is going to be inherently accepted or followed or never change / have risk of failure then just stop, you will never find it. It doesn't exist. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.
There's no such thing as "drawn CP" or "fictional CP" tho. You just want to make something you dislike sound like an actual crime that affects real children when in reality it has nothing to do with a real crime. ngl kinda pathetic
No it isn't. It's completely legal in the most parts of the world as long as it isn't hyper realistic or is traced from an actual illegal material. You can dislike it or call it a red flag but it isn't illegal unlike actual cp that is disgusting and harms children
so to you, if the government allows it, it’s fine?
you genuinely would not care if fictional children were raped as long as it’s drawn poorly? not in a metaphysical care for the fictional children, but a care that whoever drew that is now a glaring red flag?
if this is the case, i… i don’t know what to say. this isn’t even about morality atp, your survival instincts and threat detection are just turned off.
And once again we can draw a conparison with GTA or similar games/media. Do you condemn someone who goes onto a indiscriminate murderspree in a game or enjoys slasher movies sick in the head and think they want to do the same stuff with real people? Why is it that super different when it comes to fictional pornography when fictional violence is so universally excepted?
I mean i think its okay to dislike people who consume and enjoy stuff that you personally think is vile and disgusting but to claim they might do the same stuff as the protagonists in the media they enjoy is pretty dumb imo
violence is desensitized in media, so it’s already more complicated than you’ve laid it out to be.
as for the example of video games, no, i don’t think that acting violently in video games makes you more violent in real life. why? because the fictional characters get dehumanized. they don’t exist as meaningful beings, and therefore the emotional affect isn’t there.
what makes fictional CP wrong however, is because you masturbate to it. it’s pornography, that means you have to find sexual excitement in the shape of a child. i don’t have to explain how that becomes corrosive really fucking fast.
So by your logic every woman that reads smut should be in prison because most smuts include fantasy of women getting raped and rape is illegal. You can't distinguish fantasy from reality and want to apply laws on something that isn't real and never happened.
alright then, let me explain why rape fantasies and child pornography are different categories. i can’t fucking believe i have to explain it.
rape fantasies can exist in adult minds for varying reasons. it might be to retake control of a past trauma, to feel valued by your “rapist” and feel very valuable as a possession, or to safely engage in something that excites you, that would be dangerous otherwise if real. see how in virtually all rape fantasies, the rapist is attractive? yeah, real life isn’t like that.
now to child pornography, even if fictional. anything sexual regarding children implies that at some level, there is a connection between sexuality and children in the person’s mind. now, i’ll give some slack to chilhood victims of rape or other sexual trauma, but it’s still not an excuse to indulge in CP, and will clearly not help in any mental way whatsoever. in any other case, it implies an attraction to children. maybe it’s the predatory instinct to dominate something helpless, or the desire to push the limits of ethics for gratification. both are red flags to anyone with a brain. yeah sure, being the fantastical victim of rape in fantasy may be weird to some, but flipping that role and becoming the predator taps into a darker side of human nature that can quickly become corrosive to personality. anything regarding children in sexuality usually implies heavy corrosion.
so to me, fantasies of being the victim of rape fantasies is fine in almost any way. flipping the scenario and being the predator becomes more dangerous, even a yellow flag. anything regarding children becomes such a confused mess of trauma, ethics and sexuality that it’s an automatic red flag. pedophilic tendencies may not make someone a full-blown pedophile, but it’s still something deeply wrong.
Most of your "explanations" only work if someone was raped before and fall short when someone reading it wasn't raped. Also ugly bastard tag exists so no, not every rapist needs to be handsome in those fantasies. All you said is "I think X is normal but Y isn't so everyone should react to Y thing like I want them to or otherwise I'll call them pdf's. I'm pretty sure you started watching anime in post covid. You are saying the same thing as people that want "violent" video games with killing banned. Just say you don't like it and be done with it without calling everyone that dislikes it being criminal. Also you completely ignored women that like loli content and fantasize as them and by your "explanation" it would be okay
i guess in the end, nothing is objectively wrong. we’ll all be corpses in a century, so to be raped or not matters not to us, isn’t that right?
still, if i’d have my way, stuff like that, whilst not outright banned, would be a red flag to anyone. seriously, what’s your first reaction if you enter someone’s room, and they’re just masturbating to fictional CP? u telling me your first reaction is “completely fine situation, nothing off here”?
Man this comment section is public, I can't be caught saying these shit. I tried reading that but the very first scene is druged rape, after that I shut down my phone started to sleep.
I was going to say his opinions were valid until he celebrated the author's death. That's someone's brother man, that's not cool.
But does this really fit the criteria for this Sub?
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Not for you op
It's
For that guy
Original original poster, oop
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I fucking hate High School of the Dead but celebrating somebody's death is not cool unless it is someone objectively terrible
What the auctual fuck is wrong with him
Throw him to Shou Tucker's laboratory
He will take care of him
Type shit someone will say before watching something even worst
He say that and then say well Let's watch School Days Uncensored version later Prison School
this is some reverse flash level hate
This is the dumbest take I've seen this month, and I visited twoxchromosomes and socialistgaming.
Did you remember to check conservative?
I prefer the jorkers over on gcj. XD
Absolutely disgusting. It's pixels on a screen. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
I can't believe he is celebrating the death of the author that is just vile
A constant reminder there are some turly unhinged people out there.
“Wouldn’t let me upload it” yeah no dip sherlock, being happy someone died is sick behavior and should get him booted off the platform.
💯💯 Agreed
Edit: Who tf is downvoting?? y'all are disgusting af if you seriously think being glad about the death of an author just because you didn't like their work is anything other than the pinnacle of being a braindead moron
Holy Jesus....... That is smooth brain syndrome at its finest ...
That’s messed up
To the guy:
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(too far?)
Attack on Titan its too dramatic and depressing if I wanted that I'd interact with reality more.
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The guy is not from India (literally written in the post), he's probably a Russian or Filipino based on his post history.
Certainly yours doesn't cuz you didn't even bother to read the full post lmao
you dont even bothered to read the whole post
Any gay anime
question. if someone draws CP, and said person dies before they can finish it, do we rejoice?
since that anime contains scenes where men and women are :
1) having their bodies exposed without dignity by zombies
and
2) being brutally eaten alive, with us having to hear their agonizing, dying screams
do we not rejoice at the author’s death before he finishes his work? if we don’t, that means we put the limit at fiction. so fictional CP shouldn’t make us want the author to die.
am i missing something here before i get downvoted to hell for actually thinking it through, or am i correct in assuming that fictional art = not wanting real violence, and real, violent “art” = wanting real violence?
No, even if someone does something I find disgusting, as long as it's not hurting people I'm not going to be happy they die. People are way too fucking happy to wish death on people or things they don't like. Crazy.
got it. so someone can advocate for children to be able to have sex with adults, and you won’t want that person to be neutralized yes? since art is inherently capable of affecting minds and thoughts, and words and art is communication, you’d respect that opinion even if you disagree?
don’t you see why freedom of speech has limits? advocating for something and making art of it, depending on the context, can be the same thing. like how murder is normalized in media whilst rape is not. if you allow fictional CP, it desensitizes humans to regular CP, which desensitizes humans to real harm.
yes, i’d wish punishment on that person. perhaps not death, because mercy and redemption are a thing, but punishment nonetheless.
If seeing a drawing is enough to make you think that something should be legal, then you have serious problems. It's like you mentioned with murder, it's in media and depicted all the time but we don't have people going around thinking it should be legalized.
Yes, free speech does occasionally allow gross or bad things to be said or put out there. But this is combated with the good will and common sense of people in general. I don't believe that someone drawing loli or young characters is going to make people suddenly believe real CP isn't harmful or dangerous. It's just a drawing. Even if it's gross, it's not real.
This is a grey topic for sure, it's illegal some places and not others, so it's obvious there isn't a true consensus on it. I think that people should be allowed to express themselves as long as it's not real and doesn't actively hurt someone. You think things should be more restrictive and forced to serve greater social norms. It is what it is.
i don’t think things should be more restrictive. i despise the idea of a government at all. this is a stance on what art does to a human mind, not on what laws should be installed. i pointed out the limits of freedom of speech, because in a society without protections, people who draw CP would be killed. if they’re in power, that’s a different story. they wouldn’t be killed, simply because they have power.
that “drawing” is an idea. that idea is sexual abuse of children. i don’t mind a little ethical stretching in fantasy or kink, but you’re stretching it a little fucking much when including children. that’s my entire point, that it’s not just a nothing drawing with no effect on reality. it has an effect on people’s minds. why do you think tyrannical states use visual propaganda so much?
i’m not the one with issues here, i just see a problem where you see harmless fun. it’s only harmless fun if someone is mentally prepared to detach reality from fiction, and if you haven’t realized yet, most people don’t fully detach from fiction. hence why we feel bad for characters we like.
I have a little more faith in people's ability to understand fiction vs reality then. Online interaction, content and media already exposes us to so much. I'd think that people who can't understand fiction vs reality are a serious liability to themselves and others, it's delusional not to be able to.
I also think you should be careful about idealizing a "society without protections". I think almost every group of people would be targeted or killed by some other in that kind of situation lol. Think about how many people have been targeted or killed by people within systems that try to offer protection. Not to say governments are perfect or don't have their own deep pits of corruption but human nature can be pretty ugly at times without some kind of common code or body to reign us in. Still this is going way off topic now.
Like you said I see it as harmless where you think it carries more influence, that's just how it is.
yeah, i’m seeing that ugly part of human nature right now in this comment section.
about that last part, am i allowed to consider certain human groups being systematically eradicated as harmless, if i don’t consider them human? if if’s harmless fun to me and terrifyingly evil to you, what gives? in the end, are we not both humans with rationality? how do you compare rationality when there is no cosmic arbiter?
since i’ve been the one to be perceived to being morally wounded by the revelation that CP is accepted in this subreddit, allow me to push what you consider acceptable instead. it’s just how it is, isn’t it?
Of course there isn't some kind of cosmic arbiter or something, I don't know why you think I said there was. And yes, you are allowed to think something I think is terrifyingly evil is harmless. You're simply being irrational. How can I compare rationality without this? Very easily.
The common sense of people dictates our laws and societal norms. I can rest easy knowing that even if some nutjob thinks murdering people they disagree with should be legal, it would never come to pass unless there was some kind of massive, drastic societal change or collapse. So yeah, idgaf if you have crazy beliefs because I have the faith that the majority of the population won't suddenly go batshit insane.
So yeah, it is just how it is.
so i found what you find unacceptable after all. harm of real people. you also have a belief that there is such a thing as common sense, but history would disagree. not in the way that common sense does not exist, but that common sense has any moral charge. common sense in the 1800s in america meant that slavery was good. common sense in a medieval nation meant that eliminating nations of other faiths was holy.
your identity relies on the security of numbers and perceived righteousness. that’s fair, and human. very temporal too, so if that social breakdown does happen as is possible to happen at any time, seeing how the economy and politics of the world are… messy rigbt now, you may find yourself to be on the “wrong” side of society. then again, dying for your beliefs has been seen as honourable for a while now, so maybe it’s not so bad.
I don't know what you intend to prove other than that values change? Yes, what was commonly seen as acceptable no longer is. Those things were a product of the people who lived at the time and the circumstance of the entire planet.
Literally everything is temporal or subject to change. There is not a single human idea or thought that has existed or will exist for all time in perpetuity. Societies have vastly different values over time, etc.
My belief relies on the faith that we will not rapidly and suddenly backslide hundreds of years and suddenly believe all the things we left behind are fine. Is it possible? I guess. Is it probable at all in any kind of way? No lmao.
If you're trying to find some mode of living or system of belief that is going to be inherently accepted or followed or never change / have risk of failure then just stop, you will never find it. It doesn't exist. This is just getting ridiculous at this point.
There's no such thing as "drawn CP" or "fictional CP" tho. You just want to make something you dislike sound like an actual crime that affects real children when in reality it has nothing to do with a real crime. ngl kinda pathetic
Found one
uh? are you implying that drawing fictional characters as children for pornographic purposes isn’t CP?
it doesn’t need to harm actual children to be a red fucking flag.
mods, check this man’s hard drive
No it isn't. It's completely legal in the most parts of the world as long as it isn't hyper realistic or is traced from an actual illegal material. You can dislike it or call it a red flag but it isn't illegal unlike actual cp that is disgusting and harms children
so to you, if the government allows it, it’s fine?
you genuinely would not care if fictional children were raped as long as it’s drawn poorly? not in a metaphysical care for the fictional children, but a care that whoever drew that is now a glaring red flag?
if this is the case, i… i don’t know what to say. this isn’t even about morality atp, your survival instincts and threat detection are just turned off.
And once again we can draw a conparison with GTA or similar games/media. Do you condemn someone who goes onto a indiscriminate murderspree in a game or enjoys slasher movies sick in the head and think they want to do the same stuff with real people? Why is it that super different when it comes to fictional pornography when fictional violence is so universally excepted?
I mean i think its okay to dislike people who consume and enjoy stuff that you personally think is vile and disgusting but to claim they might do the same stuff as the protagonists in the media they enjoy is pretty dumb imo
violence is desensitized in media, so it’s already more complicated than you’ve laid it out to be.
as for the example of video games, no, i don’t think that acting violently in video games makes you more violent in real life. why? because the fictional characters get dehumanized. they don’t exist as meaningful beings, and therefore the emotional affect isn’t there.
what makes fictional CP wrong however, is because you masturbate to it. it’s pornography, that means you have to find sexual excitement in the shape of a child. i don’t have to explain how that becomes corrosive really fucking fast.
So by your logic every woman that reads smut should be in prison because most smuts include fantasy of women getting raped and rape is illegal. You can't distinguish fantasy from reality and want to apply laws on something that isn't real and never happened.
alright then, let me explain why rape fantasies and child pornography are different categories. i can’t fucking believe i have to explain it.
rape fantasies can exist in adult minds for varying reasons. it might be to retake control of a past trauma, to feel valued by your “rapist” and feel very valuable as a possession, or to safely engage in something that excites you, that would be dangerous otherwise if real. see how in virtually all rape fantasies, the rapist is attractive? yeah, real life isn’t like that.
now to child pornography, even if fictional. anything sexual regarding children implies that at some level, there is a connection between sexuality and children in the person’s mind. now, i’ll give some slack to chilhood victims of rape or other sexual trauma, but it’s still not an excuse to indulge in CP, and will clearly not help in any mental way whatsoever. in any other case, it implies an attraction to children. maybe it’s the predatory instinct to dominate something helpless, or the desire to push the limits of ethics for gratification. both are red flags to anyone with a brain. yeah sure, being the fantastical victim of rape in fantasy may be weird to some, but flipping that role and becoming the predator taps into a darker side of human nature that can quickly become corrosive to personality. anything regarding children in sexuality usually implies heavy corrosion.
so to me, fantasies of being the victim of rape fantasies is fine in almost any way. flipping the scenario and being the predator becomes more dangerous, even a yellow flag. anything regarding children becomes such a confused mess of trauma, ethics and sexuality that it’s an automatic red flag. pedophilic tendencies may not make someone a full-blown pedophile, but it’s still something deeply wrong.
can you not understand that?
Most of your "explanations" only work if someone was raped before and fall short when someone reading it wasn't raped. Also ugly bastard tag exists so no, not every rapist needs to be handsome in those fantasies. All you said is "I think X is normal but Y isn't so everyone should react to Y thing like I want them to or otherwise I'll call them pdf's. I'm pretty sure you started watching anime in post covid. You are saying the same thing as people that want "violent" video games with killing banned. Just say you don't like it and be done with it without calling everyone that dislikes it being criminal. Also you completely ignored women that like loli content and fantasize as them and by your "explanation" it would be okay
i won’t convince you, will i? too bad.
i guess in the end, nothing is objectively wrong. we’ll all be corpses in a century, so to be raped or not matters not to us, isn’t that right?
still, if i’d have my way, stuff like that, whilst not outright banned, would be a red flag to anyone. seriously, what’s your first reaction if you enter someone’s room, and they’re just masturbating to fictional CP? u telling me your first reaction is “completely fine situation, nothing off here”?
May I remind you that 177013 exists?
which is? enlighten me, i’m not versed like you in random tags.
It's a incredibly depressing and messed up Doujin about a Junior High school girl.
I think you can fill in the gaps I suppose.
Take your imagination of how messed up can something be and 10x that.
can you do a quick resume of how “messed up” it might be? my capacity for imagining messed up things is pretty insanely high.
Man this comment section is public, I can't be caught saying these shit. I tried reading that but the very first scene is druged rape, after that I shut down my phone started to sleep.