Same. I'm so torn. On the one hand, I really enjoyed season 1 and think ending there works fine. And even though season 2 is depressing as hell, the Lupus Rex is my favorite mobile suit so I can't ignore season 2 completely. So I just end up not rewatching either. This series really hits hard
I'm all for heroic sacrifice but this show ended up having the same problem as the second half of Death Note. You can't let your main characters lose to a nobody the audience doesn't care about. In IBO the boys ended up losing to someone who is full of Mid Boss energy. The audience doesn't fear him, doesn't hate him, they just don't care about him. That makes him a bad villain and the ending disappointing.
it's supposed to be pointless and unexpected, IBO is just a tragedy about the main group getting caught up and used as pawns in something much bigger than them, the idea of them being heroes is pretty childish, just like all of tekkadan members, and they got carried away
Sure, but does that make for an interesting story? Imagine if somebody was making a Mario movie and a random goomba gets him at the end of the movie. People would be like wtf.
I think if his death meant something, even if it were to a random goomba, I’d be okay with it. Characters with obvious plot armour can get extremely tedious to follow.
I'm fine with main characters dying too, but it's dumb when it happens randomly/out of the blue. Especially if this leads to the end of the story it would just be anti-climatic. Imagine if in the Odyssey, Odysseus died to some random waves before making it home. That would be comically bad.
I get that, I do. However, IBO still hits home for me. I initially agreed with your take. After finishing the series I enjoyed it but felt like the ending let me down. Not so much the overall outcome but I had wished if had a little more time to be fleshed out.
However without going into a full essay on why I now respect the show more for going the route it did as well as in comparison Witch's ending (which was a traditionally "happy ending") somehow felt even more hollow.
I just think IBO told a stronger story than a lot of people give it credit. It's easy to just say "the good guys win" but it's hard to write it as "they might not have been the good guys but their sacrifices HAD meaning".
That and on a purely person opinion level I will die on the hill that IBO melee and kinetic battles are infinitely better than beam spam gundam.
My problem isn't that we didn't get a happy ending. People are more than fine with important characters getting killed off. Problem is you have to do it in an interesting way. What can you even tell me about IBO's villain? He has maybe 10 minutes of screen time tops in the entire series. Nobody care about him and he has nothing interesting as a character. Having the crew lose to him is just a bit better than killing characters off screen.
While what you say is true, the idea behind those developments in IBO was to basically show that grit and courage don't really ammount to much when moving against the tides of history. Simply put the world was going somewhere and the gang wanted it to go somewhere else and that was not to be. It is "realistic" in a sense which is why it can be unsatisfying narratively (or not, it's up to every viewer to decide).
That's fine, but if that were the case then shouldn't emphasis be put on the main villain aka the one who's carrying out the momentum of history. The way the story played out it feels like they ran out of budget and had someone who was supposed to be a minor obstacle end the series.
Furthermore in this case that's not where the story went, the new regime more or less brought about changes that Tekkadan would have wanted so it's not like they were against history.
People are downvoting you like mad, but you're right.
It'd be one thing if the people who end up dead by the finale dying was because McGillis/Montag won and then betrayed Tekkadan or, heck, if Gjallarhorn had won purely by having overwhelming numbers that Tekkadan just couldn't stand up to.
But Rustal personally secures the win where no other Gjallarhorn commander could have by... Being a corrupt asshole who uses his superior ability of... Having lots of money... To pull a bunch of overpowered nonsense out of his ass in the last few episodes.
And then the show tries to portray Rustal winning as a bittersweet ending where things turned out alright for everyone we care about who didn't die and things over all get better...
Haha I expected this since this thread likely had more IBO fans. /r/anime in general thinks "noble sacrifice" makes for a good ending as it subverts expectations. No wonder Rian Johnson keeps getting work. Rest assured that in the greater community IBO's ending is at best controversial and many consider it to be BS.
Taste is very much subjective, but I tried to give Victory the benefit of the doubt and after watching all 50 episodes I have to say it's not a very good show.
I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I have to ask do any complaints involve the Zanscare Empire because those guys were my biggest gripe with Victory
I mean, the Zanscare antagonists were indeed way bellow the standards of the UC (I don't even have to mention Lupe Cinau). But I just felt the dialogue in general was very awkward, Shakti was terrible in the second half and the Shrike Team didn't have any depth and only existed to die and make Uso cry. Uso was fine though.
True, Zanscare is honestly probably the weakest Gundam antagonists in terms of, well everything.
I loved it when Oliver found out he was going to be a father and proceeded to ram his core fighter right into the enemy flagship doing absolutely nothing
The effects of the shrike team on Uso were great, especially how they really treat him like a little kid always assigning him to support roles! But they do suffer from red shirt syndrome and fall a little flat
You're so right though, like I can understand why Shakti would do what she did since she's a dumb kid but girl you gotta give it up!
I can definitely see why Tomino hates it but it has so much cool stuff and moments and details in it I can't hate it!
Well i have watched both this one and WfM, and only really enjoyed IBO. I would be definitely open to watch another one that is similar to it, if anyone has suggestions, i’m all ears.
Most of Gundam is closer to IBO than WfM, though IBO itself also sets itself apart from the rest in its own way. If you want to try something old, go for the original. If you want something modern, go for 00.
Id say start with any one of them before 00 so you can get a feel for them and see how its evolved and kept up with other works before seeing more modern gundams. But you have full control, and can always just go back and forth from one show to another no pressure. But some purists will say start it the Original only. And for the Build Fighter series, where its real world people using personally hand built gundam models, gunplas, I'd say youd really would love it more once youve seen a few since its like the ultimate easter egg/homage to almost all series. But for simplicity,
G-GUNDAM : Gundam, but even more anime Martial arts. Peak 90's
SEED/SEED DESTINY : that middle era of anime where its Naruto vs Sasuke yelling at eachother that they don't have to fight while having emotional breakdowns in space.
AGE : absolutely underrated Gem where its a Generational story from one pilot to the next and their own suits, motivations, and trauma. Genocidal -> neutral -> pacifist.
These 3 are the direct inspiration for the main character Gundams in the Build series as well.
Can't go wrong with Gundam Wing, but you can always try some main timeline Gundam and go with 008th MS team, one of my favorites. Unicorn, which is a stand alone space opera with full on cheat mode activated so you cry harder.
Or just pick a character/fight/Gundam you really like or want to know more about!
I'm still salty over the ending of this show, even though it's been like 5 years since I saw it. It felt like such a massive slap in the face, after everything that transpired. The revolution fails. All they did, was for nothing. All the pain they created, all the lives they ruined. And then the antagonist comes in with the reforms. Shows that none of this was necessary, that they might have been able to talk it out. It's conservative messaging.
That said, I must admit that it does what it sets out to do very well. The downfall is slow, painful, and it tortures you by giving you little pockets of light only to take them away one-by-one, until only darkness remains. I think IBO is a pretty good anime overall but I don't wanna see that again.
Rustal didn't come through with those reforms in the end just because he wanted to. It was BECAUSE of the actions of Tekkadan that things changed. He saw the writing on the wall, written in their blood, and knew it was either change or the next guy would be more successful.
The problem is that they put all their chips on the one guy that seemed to be a master genius, but was honestly as mentally stunted as the rest of the members of Tekkadan from years of child abuse. They were all kids way over their head and had opportunities to get out of these conflicts, but they thought this was the only way they could attain freedom.
it's depressing ... the revolution succeeding woudlnt have taken away much from the tragedy of tekkadan, which i think is the actual impactful bit of the ending, but hey there's still revolution in the hearts of some people and the remaining members of tekkadan, though i don't really know how all of this goes, i haven't read or played on what happens after the IBO anime. thought there was some movie in the works ?
IBO Urdr-Hunt is most likely what you're thinking of. It was a mobile game that had mini episodes in the game. Those were meshed together into a Movie that came out in Japan last month.
Setting wise the events happen during the main series but is its own story with a different cast.
Stupid question maybe, but if I were to just get started into Gundam these days, what's the place anime to start with? Something that won't lose my attention.
If you just want a standalone this or Witch From Mercury are both good. IBO is a lot longer and has more of the traditional Gundam flavor I think, I personally prefer Witch From Mercury though.
You can throw a dart at the wall and hit a solid standalone series
The only ones to worry about are OG, Zeta, ZZeta, and Char's Counterattack are the big connective tissue ones, the one year war ovas reference stuff that happens in the OG trilogy but they give you enough important context to know what's happening and are usually pretty short and great!
iron blooded orphans, start with them by myself 3 years ago, now I watched 70% anime of the francise and have shelf with many gunpla, highly recomend start from this anime!
Iron blooded orphans is set in it's own universe and isn't connected to the other gundam series whatsoever. Witch from Mercury and 00 Gundam are like that as well. You can really try any of those three and wont be confused or feel like you need to see the others.
Unicorn or Witch from Mercury. I watched 8th Ms Team as my first series in the UC timeline like 20 years ago then Unicorn a few years ago and wanted to know more so then I watched 0079, Zeta, ZZ, and Char's Counterattack.
Unicorn for me hit a bit different. I'm no stranger to gundam and had seen Wing, X, OO, 8th MS Team, and IBO before watching Unicorn so I was able to see the main themes just like the others. The thing was that without noticing the call backs it was still a great story of this kid being shown this world and how people from both sides are suffering from the cycle of war the UC has endured.
Gundam Seed is a alt universe version of the very first Gundam anime with more current graphics if you wanna start it. It's sequals are more into their own universe and storytelling. This is very military focus.
00 Gundam is a alt universe of Gundam Wing which is the gundam series that got the series popular outside of Japan. This if you want just Gundam doing cool Gundam stuff
G Gundam if you like Speed Racer and Dragonball Z. Yes, it is that crazy.
Any of these 3 is a great start since you don't have to have too much knowledge of past gundam series to enjoy them independently.
I just wish the writers could’ve engineered a better way for Shino to miss that shot.
Having Julietta pull off the perfect pot shot at the perfect timing while having motherfucking Mika 100% locked on her ass just completely ruined this scene for me.
thats my main thing i have against this series in particular the enemies just have so much plot armor its ridiculous even more so than the mc somehow. i mean look at all the bs idiok somehow survives constantly to fuck over the main crew id go as far as to say this was even his fault since his ass woulda been at risk here too if the shot landed.
This show had such crisp sound design
mechs getting really physical with kinetic weapons instead of using laser/heat weaponry is just great, the sounds are beyond satisfying
I don't care what anyone else's opinion on IBO is.
Scenes like this live rent free in my head and I love that IBO gets me every time.
Just yesterday I thought "maybe I can rewatch IBO?" Nope. Still not ready for the ending even after like 5 years.
Same. I'm so torn. On the one hand, I really enjoyed season 1 and think ending there works fine. And even though season 2 is depressing as hell, the Lupus Rex is my favorite mobile suit so I can't ignore season 2 completely. So I just end up not rewatching either. This series really hits hard
I'm all for heroic sacrifice but this show ended up having the same problem as the second half of Death Note. You can't let your main characters lose to a nobody the audience doesn't care about. In IBO the boys ended up losing to someone who is full of Mid Boss energy. The audience doesn't fear him, doesn't hate him, they just don't care about him. That makes him a bad villain and the ending disappointing.
it's supposed to be pointless and unexpected, IBO is just a tragedy about the main group getting caught up and used as pawns in something much bigger than them, the idea of them being heroes is pretty childish, just like all of tekkadan members, and they got carried away
A bullet will kill an hero just as easily as it will a random footsoldier
Nelson, possibly the greatest admiral in history, was killed by a single bullet from a French marksman in a battle he had already won
Sure, but does that make for an interesting story? Imagine if somebody was making a Mario movie and a random goomba gets him at the end of the movie. People would be like wtf.
I think if his death meant something, even if it were to a random goomba, I’d be okay with it. Characters with obvious plot armour can get extremely tedious to follow.
I'm fine with main characters dying too, but it's dumb when it happens randomly/out of the blue. Especially if this leads to the end of the story it would just be anti-climatic. Imagine if in the Odyssey, Odysseus died to some random waves before making it home. That would be comically bad.
I get that, I do. However, IBO still hits home for me. I initially agreed with your take. After finishing the series I enjoyed it but felt like the ending let me down. Not so much the overall outcome but I had wished if had a little more time to be fleshed out.
However without going into a full essay on why I now respect the show more for going the route it did as well as in comparison Witch's ending (which was a traditionally "happy ending") somehow felt even more hollow.
I just think IBO told a stronger story than a lot of people give it credit. It's easy to just say "the good guys win" but it's hard to write it as "they might not have been the good guys but their sacrifices HAD meaning".
That and on a purely person opinion level I will die on the hill that IBO melee and kinetic battles are infinitely better than beam spam gundam.
My problem isn't that we didn't get a happy ending. People are more than fine with important characters getting killed off. Problem is you have to do it in an interesting way. What can you even tell me about IBO's villain? He has maybe 10 minutes of screen time tops in the entire series. Nobody care about him and he has nothing interesting as a character. Having the crew lose to him is just a bit better than killing characters off screen.
While what you say is true, the idea behind those developments in IBO was to basically show that grit and courage don't really ammount to much when moving against the tides of history. Simply put the world was going somewhere and the gang wanted it to go somewhere else and that was not to be. It is "realistic" in a sense which is why it can be unsatisfying narratively (or not, it's up to every viewer to decide).
That's fine, but if that were the case then shouldn't emphasis be put on the main villain aka the one who's carrying out the momentum of history. The way the story played out it feels like they ran out of budget and had someone who was supposed to be a minor obstacle end the series.
Furthermore in this case that's not where the story went, the new regime more or less brought about changes that Tekkadan would have wanted so it's not like they were against history.
People are downvoting you like mad, but you're right.
It'd be one thing if the people who end up dead by the finale dying was because McGillis/Montag won and then betrayed Tekkadan or, heck, if Gjallarhorn had won purely by having overwhelming numbers that Tekkadan just couldn't stand up to.
But Rustal personally secures the win where no other Gjallarhorn commander could have by... Being a corrupt asshole who uses his superior ability of... Having lots of money... To pull a bunch of overpowered nonsense out of his ass in the last few episodes.
And then the show tries to portray Rustal winning as a bittersweet ending where things turned out alright for everyone we care about who didn't die and things over all get better...
Haha I expected this since this thread likely had more IBO fans. /r/anime in general thinks "noble sacrifice" makes for a good ending as it subverts expectations. No wonder Rian Johnson keeps getting work. Rest assured that in the greater community IBO's ending is at best controversial and many consider it to be BS.
That sacrifice hurt
Bro thought he can pull off a Char..
This is so melodramatic I fucking love this shit, put it into my veins!
Give Gundam a shot, I'm binging through them all and there's not a single bad one!
Well, that's certainly not true. There are at bare minimum 5 bad Gundam anime, and more subpar ones.
The only "bad" Gundam I've seen so far in these 22 series/movies is G-Saviour and it's not even bad it's just boring.
Taste is very much subjective, but I tried to give Victory the benefit of the doubt and after watching all 50 episodes I have to say it's not a very good show.
I can see why people wouldn't like it, but I have to ask do any complaints involve the Zanscare Empire because those guys were my biggest gripe with Victory
I mean, the Zanscare antagonists were indeed way bellow the standards of the UC (I don't even have to mention Lupe Cinau). But I just felt the dialogue in general was very awkward, Shakti was terrible in the second half and the Shrike Team didn't have any depth and only existed to die and make Uso cry. Uso was fine though.
True, Zanscare is honestly probably the weakest Gundam antagonists in terms of, well everything.
I loved it when Oliver found out he was going to be a father and proceeded to ram his core fighter right into the enemy flagship doing absolutely nothing
The effects of the shrike team on Uso were great, especially how they really treat him like a little kid always assigning him to support roles! But they do suffer from red shirt syndrome and fall a little flat
You're so right though, like I can understand why Shakti would do what she did since she's a dumb kid but girl you gotta give it up!
I can definitely see why Tomino hates it but it has so much cool stuff and moments and details in it I can't hate it!
Well i have watched both this one and WfM, and only really enjoyed IBO. I would be definitely open to watch another one that is similar to it, if anyone has suggestions, i’m all ears.
Most of Gundam is closer to IBO than WfM, though IBO itself also sets itself apart from the rest in its own way. If you want to try something old, go for the original. If you want something modern, go for 00.
Do you have a watch order or sth?
I was fixing to download them but i dont even know where to start
Gundam is divided into the main Universal Century (UC) universe and stand alone AU universes
For UC: 0079->Zeta->ZZ->Char's Counterattack and after that any UC story you want
For AU: just pick the one that looks interessting to you
Id say start with any one of them before 00 so you can get a feel for them and see how its evolved and kept up with other works before seeing more modern gundams. But you have full control, and can always just go back and forth from one show to another no pressure. But some purists will say start it the Original only. And for the Build Fighter series, where its real world people using personally hand built gundam models, gunplas, I'd say youd really would love it more once youve seen a few since its like the ultimate easter egg/homage to almost all series. But for simplicity, G-GUNDAM : Gundam, but even more anime Martial arts. Peak 90's SEED/SEED DESTINY : that middle era of anime where its Naruto vs Sasuke yelling at eachother that they don't have to fight while having emotional breakdowns in space. AGE : absolutely underrated Gem where its a Generational story from one pilot to the next and their own suits, motivations, and trauma. Genocidal -> neutral -> pacifist. These 3 are the direct inspiration for the main character Gundams in the Build series as well. Can't go wrong with Gundam Wing, but you can always try some main timeline Gundam and go with 008th MS team, one of my favorites. Unicorn, which is a stand alone space opera with full on cheat mode activated so you cry harder. Or just pick a character/fight/Gundam you really like or want to know more about!
You can do the tried and true OG Gundam, Zeta, ZZeta, Char's Counterattack and then go wherever from there
I personally got into it with Gundam 00, then Unicorn, then Iron Blooded Orphans, and random from there and still had a blast.
Watch some of the ops and pick the one that looks coolest to you!
Thanks for the directions ☺️
I’d watch the compilation movies of 0079 if you’re going to watch it
Otherwise :g gundam, turn a, 00, Iron blooded orphans, g witch
The dainsleif is one of the greatest "fuck you, I win" weapons in anime.
I'm still salty over the ending of this show, even though it's been like 5 years since I saw it. It felt like such a massive slap in the face, after everything that transpired. The revolution fails. All they did, was for nothing. All the pain they created, all the lives they ruined. And then the antagonist comes in with the reforms. Shows that none of this was necessary, that they might have been able to talk it out. It's conservative messaging.
That said, I must admit that it does what it sets out to do very well. The downfall is slow, painful, and it tortures you by giving you little pockets of light only to take them away one-by-one, until only darkness remains. I think IBO is a pretty good anime overall but I don't wanna see that again.
That's....a way of looking at it, I suppose.
Rustal didn't come through with those reforms in the end just because he wanted to. It was BECAUSE of the actions of Tekkadan that things changed. He saw the writing on the wall, written in their blood, and knew it was either change or the next guy would be more successful.
In a way, the revolution succeeded by failing.
The problem is that they put all their chips on the one guy that seemed to be a master genius, but was honestly as mentally stunted as the rest of the members of Tekkadan from years of child abuse. They were all kids way over their head and had opportunities to get out of these conflicts, but they thought this was the only way they could attain freedom.
That was the only part that I felt was really unearned. Felt like the writers pulling their punches so to speak.
it's depressing ... the revolution succeeding woudlnt have taken away much from the tragedy of tekkadan, which i think is the actual impactful bit of the ending, but hey there's still revolution in the hearts of some people and the remaining members of tekkadan, though i don't really know how all of this goes, i haven't read or played on what happens after the IBO anime. thought there was some movie in the works ?
IBO Urdr-Hunt is most likely what you're thinking of. It was a mobile game that had mini episodes in the game. Those were meshed together into a Movie that came out in Japan last month.
Setting wise the events happen during the main series but is its own story with a different cast.
aw man
Stupid question maybe, but if I were to just get started into Gundam these days, what's the place anime to start with? Something that won't lose my attention.
If you just want a standalone this or Witch From Mercury are both good. IBO is a lot longer and has more of the traditional Gundam flavor I think, I personally prefer Witch From Mercury though.
00 Gundam
I fucking love 00 and it's what got me into gundam
You can throw a dart at the wall and hit a solid standalone series
The only ones to worry about are OG, Zeta, ZZeta, and Char's Counterattack are the big connective tissue ones, the one year war ovas reference stuff that happens in the OG trilogy but they give you enough important context to know what's happening and are usually pretty short and great!
War in The Pocket is great this time of year!
iron blooded orphans, start with them by myself 3 years ago, now I watched 70% anime of the francise and have shelf with many gunpla, highly recomend start from this anime!
Iron blooded orphans is set in it's own universe and isn't connected to the other gundam series whatsoever. Witch from Mercury and 00 Gundam are like that as well. You can really try any of those three and wont be confused or feel like you need to see the others.
Unicorn or Witch from Mercury. I watched 8th Ms Team as my first series in the UC timeline like 20 years ago then Unicorn a few years ago and wanted to know more so then I watched 0079, Zeta, ZZ, and Char's Counterattack.
watching unicorn first is ok, if only because you get to watch it again once you get the context, its 90% 0079 callbacks.
Unicorn for me hit a bit different. I'm no stranger to gundam and had seen Wing, X, OO, 8th MS Team, and IBO before watching Unicorn so I was able to see the main themes just like the others. The thing was that without noticing the call backs it was still a great story of this kid being shown this world and how people from both sides are suffering from the cycle of war the UC has endured.
Thanks guys! Super helpful. Looking into it on my own I think 00 Gundam might be my speed. Thanks again. <3
Gundam Seed is a alt universe version of the very first Gundam anime with more current graphics if you wanna start it. It's sequals are more into their own universe and storytelling. This is very military focus.
00 Gundam is a alt universe of Gundam Wing which is the gundam series that got the series popular outside of Japan. This if you want just Gundam doing cool Gundam stuff
G Gundam if you like Speed Racer and Dragonball Z. Yes, it is that crazy.
Any of these 3 is a great start since you don't have to have too much knowledge of past gundam series to enjoy them independently.
Biscuit-oooooooo!!!!
Freesia still hits to this day, lol. One of those songs that you just know, when it plays, someone's croaking.
Such a great Gundam show I loved Gundam wing first introduction during the early toonami days also double O is amazing
I just finished my rewatch man, don't hurt me like this...
I have been contitioned by IBO so i would cry whenever I hear Freesia by Uru. Best go to song to feel emo about
I just wish the writers could’ve engineered a better way for Shino to miss that shot.
Having Julietta pull off the perfect pot shot at the perfect timing while having motherfucking Mika 100% locked on her ass just completely ruined this scene for me.
thats my main thing i have against this series in particular the enemies just have so much plot armor its ridiculous even more so than the mc somehow. i mean look at all the bs idiok somehow survives constantly to fuck over the main crew id go as far as to say this was even his fault since his ass woulda been at risk here too if the shot landed.
whats the name of the song?
Freesia
ty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAO6CDrnFqY
I've never watched a single episode of any Gundam anime. Would I enjoy Iron Blooded Orphans without knowing any backstory?
yea it's a standalone story
IBO is standalone so you can watch it without anythign else.
As long as you know what gundam is you will be fine.
So get started and enjoy the ride.
yeah, its a bro down packed with action
Love IBO, it's so good!
Gundam is soooo goood!
Iok stepping in front of Rustel thinking he could block the shot is pretty hilarious. The rest is tragic tho.
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