Chichi wa Eiyuu, Haha wa Seirei, Musume no Watashi wa Tenseisha., episode 11
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Truly the biggest revelation of this episode. Obviously I'm talking about their first meeting, what else could it be?
Wow, Ellen putting faction loyalty ahead of personal emotions. She was in adult mode then.
I'm guessing Ellen has slow development due to being half-spirit and a longer lifespan
Do we have confirmation she's even a half spirit?
Her father underwent Spiritualization before she was conceived afaik
more like her cousin is very developed for a 10 year old
Wait... I thought the time skip pushed them to 13ish...
Wtf lol
Is it wrong that I actually enjoyed Rafilia roasting Ellen for being a loli?
Also doctor mode with the medicine. Sorry Gadiel, you don't really have a shot here in any way.
I'm also team Rafilia due to the suffering she experienced. She's still a brat compared to Ellen, but her action is justified.
Isn't Ellen like 40 now if you count both lives?
Rafilia: Why is everyone always like this?! It's always Ellen this, Ellen that! I'm part of the Vankreift family too!
Sauvel: That was bothering you?
Wha- Of course that was bothering her, you neglectful fool! You and everyone else in the family has spent more time with Ellen in these past three years than you ever did with Rafilia. It's no wonder Rafilia felt like she didn't belong in the family.
sauvel is a freaking moron. The whole world seems made to punish humans for the slightest mistake.. fiance was attracted to his brother..and she's permanently punished.
Two hundred years ago the royal family did something the current family knew nothing about... punished forever and can't atone for it.
I feel like the fiance thing mostly worked because she had feelings of infidelity. It felt like it was more than "just attraction" to get punished.
But the Vankrieft rushed her into marriage suddenly and gave her no time to prepare or catch her up. The whole marriage was for purely selfish reasons, and then they apparently stopped treating her like a person after... after dehumanizing her for being human. For thought crimes.
Origins sister goddess read the girls mind at the alter and made a scene. The common girl thrown into this family's drama is blamed. They try to tell her what to do and when she takes autonomy and decides to communicate with her husband, which is her perogative, he makes a scene, cancels the event midway through and goes to get his niece to not just dress her down in front of the immediate family...but to threaten her life and demean her too...this is right after Ellen chastises her father about communication. Everything is this poor random commoners fault.
That poor girl was impregnated by a married lord and then thrown into this mess with only a weeks notice, and not made aware of any of the intense BS going on....she was treated like an accessory, treated worse than a pet in a new house chewing the furniture and peeing on the carpet. Ellen straight up called her a nuisance asking to be killed and THEY ENJOYED WATCHING HER DO IT.
Dude, so true. I didn't even pick up on that. They dehumanized her for trying to be a good wife and do what Ellen preaches. Insanity.
Dude seriously. The whole fact that, within days, they dragged her out of her commoner life and forced her to marry Sauvel was wild. No communication, no information, just "marry this nobleman who knocked you up so we can protect our family". Then they tossed her aside like a used toy /because she had the audacity to be an adult and try to make things right??/
The only way this story can redeem itself is if it flips the Vankreift as the actual villains and Gadiel saves Ellen and helps her redeem herself as a hero.
And what’s worse is that this ended up turning her into a spiteful alcoholic. Sauvel said that he was going to work on his marriage, but how much of that was true; matter of fact, how much effort did the family make for Aria after the incident?
Apparently zero considering hoe much Sauvel neglected Rafilia and how Ellen apparently fully avoided both.
The grandmother even admitted to be hands off on it... for reasons.
Imagine having a rough but happy life as a commoner than being thrusted into a cozy jail cell where you lose your lovong mother to alcohol and are isolated from everyone. She probably can't even hang with her commoner friends any more.
Grandma is at fault too, she was playing favorites and doting solely on Ellen, while neglecting her other granddaughter(s). Loren ain’t shit either, he plays favorites too. Everyone in the family deserves a chewing out.
Honestly true. Their weird favoritism is wild. Rafilia was done dirty so bad
And on top of it..Ellen hasn't told anyone she's actually a 30something year old woman from another world...because then her mysterious talents & mature demeanor wouldn't be so impressive...she is such a manipulative selfish liar. At no point does Ellen ever try to or think about going "hey, rafilia is actually factually a young girl, and I'm a grown ass woman with full on adult memories from an advanced civilization, not an 8 year old in any way other than my body".
She was a Japanese 30yr old something using a child's body to rip apart poor Aria
Spirits are petty @#%^. Look at how arrogant and condescending Van was towards Kai just for being human.
How dare you greet me with a human custom?!
Bitch how is he supposed to know spirit customs?!
I know right? He’s not feline, so he can’t just spray Van with his piss… /s
I mean... He could but I doubt it would end well for the lad
It's made to punish everyone who isn't roval, his wife, or Ellen.
God, you have no idea how much I wanted to punch him in the face for that comment! How dense is he?! >:(
That whole family are a bunch of dumb assholes tbh. They call the royal family blackhearted, for playing politics (and to protect their people), and this family is out here treating every damn person not Vankreift (unless you're Commoner Vankreift) like they're subhuman.
Three years pass and it took a kidnapping for Ellen to finally talk to Rafilia? And she wants to pretend she perpetually has the moral high ground? Lol.
Later in the episode, he said that understood how she felt, so I don’t understand why couldn’t infer her feelings sooner
Rafilia was literally trying to explain this to him a few episodes ago and he immediately ignored her feelings to go do stuff related to Ellen again.
Ellen: “I’ll give you the medicine but I won’t tell you how it’s made and I’m charging you for it!”
She’s a hell of a business woman gotta give her that lol.
Big pharma: When Ellen does it, it is cool. But when we do it, it is considered exploitative.
Ellen: "I'm a member of the Vankreift Family and our Family Motto is to only care about ourselves, our domain, and basically me!"
Sole exceptions: Rafilia’s feelings and her commoner-ass mother…
"I'm not like that other isekai'd pharmacist/medicine god who charges prices so low they might as well be charity! Show me the money or haul your cholera-ridden ass out!"
I mean she’s probably right she’s making it off chemical compounds, which if they don’t have the tech to make then only she can make them. That said depending on the disease penicillin may of worked and could attempt to teach them how to cultivate it, and use it for medicine.
Almost everyone in that room trusts her, but if I was one of those guards I'd be very suspicious of medicine that apparently "also kills your health".
I mean, I doubt feudal era humans would be unaware of medicines that heal you in small doses, but kill in larger ones; I feel the greater issue these people would have is that this medicine is considered to be from neither the world of man nor the spirits.
Based on these guys’ understanding of their world (and current technological level), this medicine literally shouldn’t exist.
That's not the part I was referring to. It's not the "it becomes poison in large doses" it's the part where she says "it kills the disease but also kills your health" (at least in the subs where I watched, which might have scurvy)
In the subs I saw she stated "healthy bacteria in stomach"
In the Crunchyroll subs it mentions diarrhea as a side effect, as a result of killing stomach bacteria.
"Wait, how does killing good bacteria help!?"
Ellen: (Sigh) I'm going to need a whiteboard..."
"A white what...?"
Pretty sure none of them know what bacteria areTo be fair, she's literally the only person in the mortal world or the spirit world who can manufacture it - and she can't ramp up production because of that.
Sometimes, higher pricing is because there's just no way to meet the demand at a lower price.
I do feel bad for Gadiel, I believe he is genuine in his pursuit of making amends with the spirits but Ellen does explain in a way that makes a lot of sense. The passage of time is different for both species and so whilst it's something his ancestors have done centuries ago, to the spirits it was only yesterday. It's not something that will be cleared up that easily and it will depend on his efforts to see that change finally happen and pass that down to his descendants.
Rafillia being that hostile towards Ellen after not seeing each other in years and after waking up annoyed me for a moment but then I remembered how pent up she must be from the secrecy of the family and maids. Hopefully there'll be some development so that the two cousins can get along in the future.
I like how Kai was seemingly more mature than Van during their scene. I'm sure that won't be the last time Kai gets to play with Van's paws lol.
It is not just the harm done seems recent to spirits, Ravisel's thinking and his behavior shows that HE has not really learned and may be incapable of learning/changing. Gadiel needs to ponder things (including feeling pain). Right now he cannot make his father (or any other adults take responsibility and change their attitudes). But when HE finally takes charge, perhaps things can begin to finally change.
He has already been pondering it for a few years now. He has felt the pain and clearly knows the heinous actions if his ancestors.
Just like he said at the end, he just wants to talk, that's it.
Not a single time when they have shown him ponder it, has it even appeared that he is asking for forgiveness. He knows the weight and gravity of the actions. He just wants a channel of communication.
The thing is, not even Ellen nor the Queen know any easy way to appease the dead spirits. Remember that Ellen already asked the queen about it during the reveal episode.
I think Ellen here just being stern so that Gadiel doesn't cling to a false hope.
Rafilia did nothing wrong
Neither did Gadiel
The RafiliaxGadiel ship is looking more appealing by the episode.
This situation with the prince is kind of bugging me. Like, yeah the kid’s dad is a prick but he actually seems like he wants to patch things up? I mean he feels remorse. What can he do about the sins of his ancestors? How can he atone if he’s not even given the chance? I feel bad for the kid.
I would understand if a spirit was like this, but Ellen is an isekai'd person, I would figure she would be more considerate.
There was a moment where it seemed like Ellen really didn't want to treat him like that so I think it's probably a mix of issues. A few I can think of are:
Even if she wanted to, Ellen can't do anything about the curse herself.
Ellen's planning something to get back at the king and being nice to Gadiel doesn't work with the plan.
If she's nice to him the king will see it as more opportunities to get to her using him and who knows what other plans so she's making the line clear now.
She can't make enough medicine to cover everyone who needs it and she's the only one that can make it. The king pissing them off very conveniently gives them a way to put the blame on them not sharing the medicine on someone else. This may not make much sense but if they didn't treat other people it could easily turn into rumors of them having some selfish reason instead of just not having enough.
That's all I could think of right now. Probably some combination of not being able to do anything and dealing with the king.
I did get the sense that maybe, just maybe, Ellen was acting so cold and distant during that meeting partially because she doesn't want to be honest or face whatever emotional connection she feels with Gadiel.
Like that's the reason she rushed out of the room when she saw how much her behavior towards him was hurting him emotionally.
Or she really does not want to be around that curse he is carrying with him, even at that distance it was probably too much to look at.
Surprised she didn't ask for a pair of cups and some string or a megaphone so she communicate with him as far away as possible.
2 and 3 make the most sense if the author gave it forethought. Unfortunately she needs to be firm with the royal family for political reasons since she hinted at a storm coming for humanity which may drive them against the wall like 200 years ago. The kid definitely doesn’t deserve it. Sins of the father and all that.
The weird thing is she even acknowledges that the Royal Family did what they thought was best and it's understandable that the current doesn't remember anything about their mistake but that isn't going to change anything or cause her to make any effort to patch things up or fix the dead spirits issue.
I guess it also helps that she's being spiteful towards Ravisel or the whole Rafilia kidnapping thing.
I understand the first part. I wouldn't forgive Hitler now either although we are an couple generations apart. If I have knowledge of what he'd done 10 generations further I still wouldn't forgive him.
Sure. But do you punish his descendants for it?
Oh, I guess part of our society is doing a little bit of that with the various reparations movements 🤷♀️
Good point.
I think I wouldn't punish them. But if his atrocities were fresh in my mind I think I would be hesitant to help them compared to normal people.
While she doesn't want to directly punish the Prince, she has to be firm given the current circumstance of the King using any emotional connection to hurt her human family and the fact that she's also Spirit Kingdom royalty. She can't let her personal empathy create an opening for King Cunt to use since he's been shown to even use his son.
while she does have the IQ of an isekai’d person, her behaviours don’t reflect one
its less reincarnation-y and more like +100 knowledge and +20 maturity
My views is it boils down to the fact that some actions are based on physical development. Even with all the knowledge from her previous life, her brain is still in the process of developing so her impulse control and emotions aren't at the same level as her previous life as an adult.
There has been multiple series where the isekai person reincarnated into a childs body is brought up that the young body is affecting their thinking. For instance By the Grace of God the gods speciffically tell him he will become more child like as time goes by because he is in a kids body. Or something along those lines.
Honestly I can kind of see where the Vankreift Family is coming from but I feel like Gadiel is a good kid just trying his best.
What bothers me the most is she didn't keep her word. She had to be reminded of her promise to talk, and then she didn't even let him talk. She just kept talking over him, then ended the conversation on her terms.
Gadiel has literally done nothing to her, but has empathy for days. He went again and again to apologize--to the spirits and to Ellen--for the hurt and harm. He doesn't make excuses, and he's trying his best. Yet, he's forced to bear the weight of his father's sins, even though Ellen acknowledges that he's not the issue himself.
Girl can be really full of herself sometimes.
- What are you doing, my son!?
- Succeeding you, father.
There is a chance that really could win the Vankreifts' forgiveness as a noble house...
... but it won't do anything about the curse and I would imagine it would also definitely turn Ellen off from ever growing close to the new patricidal king
One of the things that bugs me about this anime is the whole "Sin of the father".
Like we still don't know what happened to that evil princess daughter, but I'm sure she was banished or something just like her mother.
I agree, I understand it not being taken care of straight away, but Ellen is a lot more closed off than I was expecting her to be. But that could be because of Ravisel.
IKR? It's like making someone atone for having ancestors who owned slaves. Why should he have to feel guilty for their sins?
"Worst she can say is no."
"We have forsaken you, your bloodline, and your kingdom. Expect no salvation when calamity arrives."
I cannot stand Ellen (or anyone in this show). Her behavior doesn’t make sense. She’s an adult in her mind and can negotiate better than actual adults around her, but she cries to daddy cause her cousin was slightly mean. Make it make sense
Also, the whole thing with the medicine being too advanced is bull. If spirits are eternal, she could slowly start raising the education level of those around her. Since she has knowledge from another world, I think she could speed run a science course and help them manufacture it. She’s supposed to be a genius chemist after all.
Gadiel. I don’t even have words left. He should just focus on becoming the next king and giving up on Ellen. I don’t like the sins of the father bologna. He didn’t do the crime. The spirits are petty. Ellen can write letters to him if she wanted. That’s a way to communicate without activating the curse. She’s just lazy and lacks any real intelligence. I can’t believe I keep thinking each episode will get better. I should know it only gets worse. What a dumpster fire of a “plot”. I wish I could stop watching but I’m in it too deep
Seriously. She could present herself as a spirit of chemicals, which she basically already is seen as such "Princess of medicine", but instead of bringing humans up to take care of themselves, monopolizes all of the knowledge and medicine. Why?
Ego. Ellen is seriously unlikable despite how much the story wants us to fawn over her.
Gadiel and Rafilia are the secret protagonists of this story. Still this is more of the author not portraying the characters or story very well. That whole scene of girls comparing their growth is a common trope and I'm betting was supposed to be funny... But in the context of all the shit that has gone down it was not.
I also think the author just doesn't know how to really manufacture or create medicine. There's another isekai anime/novel/manga called parallel world pharmacy and a pharmacist gets isekaied into the body of a 10 year old. He has an almost identical power of being able to create elements and compounds, his family are royal physicians and his new goal in this life is to improve the health of everyone, not just by treating their ailments but by educating as many people as he can and finding/improving human science so they can make the medicines on their own.
Compare that series to this and unless it was omitted from anime it feels like Ellen isn't really trying to improve the quality of life of people, but rather to maintain the vankrieft status quo.
The problem with the growth scene is the author spent zero time in letting the scene sit in its' comedy and immediately had Sauvel get offended on behalf of Ellen and Van threatening Rafilia. Which undercuts the scene and reestablished Ellen as uniquely special and superior to Rafilia. Untouchable even.
As for the medicine, Ellen out-right said she won't teach the top medicine man, who uses spirits, and even said he COULDN'T learn, so looking down on him before even trying. She also explicitly said the capital was on their own and won't help.
The other medicine isekai has a much more likeable and good natured MC.
You've captured my feelings about this anime exactly! I'm pretty much hate watching this show at this point, and all I'm really watching this show for is justice for Rafilia and Gadiel.
Rafilia: Gets ignored, yelled at, taken from the life she knows, forced into training she never had to deal with before by people without a shred of compassion, gets kidnapped.
Ellen: Kind of smugly insulted once and breaks down crying.
The narrative: What a horrible thing Rafilia did to Ellen!
Honestly I feel bad that I was enjoying the Ellen bullying but it actually felt kind of nice to have someone who wasn't all "Ellen is the bestest girl to ever do anything in the history of existence" for once even if everyone else turned on her for it.
Honestly feels like Ellen needs someone in her life who can be real with her and treat her like another girl instead of the GOAT.
I felt like: finally, they are proper sisters.
Also loving that Rovel completely understand that cousins moment, instead of being overprotective of Ellen like usual.
with Sauvel’s proclamation that he could relate (due to Rovel), I hope the father-daughter antics would soon be over and start the relationship proper
they haven’t resolved the tensions as of yet
And they haven't brought Aria in to really fix all their family issues. We didn't even get to see Aria react to Rafilia being back, as if she really doesn't matter at all.
Honestly, Rafilia is probably the best character in the show. Like even her most obnoxious moments don't make her look nearly as bad as whenever peoples fawn over Ellen. In another anime she'd be the protagonist.
Rafilia by far feel the most real and humane person in the story. All the others all seem to have some level of plot holes and bad writing with inconsistencies and making some of their behaviour and personality contradict/misalign.
yeah, in a show full of fantasy elements I am somehow more interested to see what happens with Rafilia and her to relationship with her family and other characters, and also how Gadiel develops everyone else is kind of uninteresting or unlikeable. The human kid guarding Ellen also seems alright.
Honestly I want to see Rafilia disown her family and run off with the prince. Her mother is a terrible mother and wife, her father is a neglectful idiot who doesn’t deserve her, and all the staff of the mansion who serve her should be fired for basically treating her as an afterthought when she is the proper heir! It might be sad, but I don’t want her to make up with her father and instead just run away and find her own happiness with people who properly care for her.
Be Ellen: basically an omnipotent demigod with a god-adjacent mother, hero father, and literal deity aunt. Treated as the greatest thing ever immediately, given everything and praised nonstop. Desired by everyone.
Also Ellen: get mildly insulted by your commoner cousin who was thrust into nobility and emotionally neglectes for years, who was (wrongly) condemned for communicating with her only emotional support (Gadiel). Immediately breaks down.
I hated how Sauvel tried to push that Gadiel was bad and Ellen had nothing to do with the kidnapping.. when it was just established that Gadiel was innocent and it WAS 100% because of Ellen.
Well Van is against humans mainly and is extremely biased towards Ellen. Even Rovel who usually gets super upset for Ellen wasn't upset by Rafilia's comments.
Look at how condescending and elitist Van was towards Kai in this episode...
I didn't say the characters, I said the narrative. Her father could have been a bit more supportive, but overall the worst he did this episode was spend more time worrying about Ellen than his own daughter, but at least he did worry about his own daughter. But the camera though, the screen time, there was a whole scene focusing on Ellen getting over the insult, followed by another scene half spent between the brothers talking about it.
That's why I will never like this scummy, trash family. I'm curious if they're the true villains of this anime.
None of that is excuse to be mean to someone you have never met during your first meeting?
How can any conflict resolved with one episode left? Look like the Royal family spirit conflict is nowhere near to be resolved. Will we just see the Vankreift looking smug while the capital dying from plague as the ending of next episode? That will complete the reveal that this family is the true villain of the story.
"How I was reincarnated as a demigod with omnipotent power and helped destroyed a kingdom of innocent people for petty reasons"
unless it is reveled that she caused the epidemy (which wouldn't surprise me at this point), I dont think its accurate. it would be more "How I was reincarnated as a demigod with omnipotent power and just watched a kingdom of innocent people die for petty reasons"
This grown-ass woman in a child’s body just got baited by an actual teenager. Bitch what?! Ai Haibara would NEVER!
Also, Orio really just comes and goes as she pleases, huh? She’s like a god-tier summoned beast with no cost or cooldown…
Ellen being the leader constantly should be odd to everyone no? They don't really question that she's a kid. Most stories would have an adult do the talking with Ellen explaining to them what to do beforehand.
Has Ellen explained she has been isekai'd to mom and dad? They would understand
It's almost surreal at this point that Ellen acts like a genuine kid half the time (the way she cried at Rafilia for teasing her) but then can turn on the adult business-oriented personality on a dime.
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Remember that this is already 3 years after the divorce episode, and Ellen had already been involved in some of the Vankreift's family matter (like the mine, and also the healing).
First of all, the Vankreift already trusts her.
Even if Gadiel's knight underestimate her as a child, all of what she said this episode makes total sense. They can't even rebutt any of it.
They said Sauvel is the "head" of the house but its just Ellen pulling all the strings.
Not that I'm against Ellen here, but damn, she seems to have gone from being an understanding and passionate person to someone who's taking a factional war over the kingdom to another level. The prince really seems interested in resolving the situation, and she practically destroyed him with her words.
But well, we have to remember that she's a child, so I guess that might "justify" her aggressive attitude.
Things are not simple. Although the prince wants to atone, it won’t work because the entire family would need to atone for their sins. The current king would need to set things right. That’s their original sin. And with the king, there is no way he is going to do that. He will continue to be manipulative so her family will be compliant.
Sadly, that’s the grim state of the world and she knows this which is why she is being tough on the prince.
I mean, trying to work with Gadiel to try to improve things from within seems like a good idea if Ellen had any motivation on actually fixing things when the crown prince himself seems willing.
Because it doesn't seem like anything good is going to come out of the way things are currently.
It doesn't help that it's proven how the king is involved with the kidnapping. I think that is what ultimately made Ellen become so stern in this episode.
I mean, Ellen was originally the one suggesting for Gadiel's help even though Sauvel and Rovel almost instantly blamed Gadiel last episode. She's still reasonable there and gave the benefit of doubt, but the royal family just can't deny it anymore that they're involved.
Frankly, I would be far more disappointed if Ellen ended up being soft on the royal family instead of the tough stance she's displaying in the actual show. Absolutely deserved.
It almost seemed like she has an interest in the situation not being resolved and to destroy the royal family with a apparent incoming disease. Like the spirits and her are really taking ancestral guilt to another level.
If I've learned anything about the Spirits in this show, is they are possessive, petty, unforgiving, strict, and elitist.
So Ellen is just owning up to her mothers' bloodline.
It would be interesting if they drove the prince or her cousin into becoming villains and realizing their role in causing it. But more likely Ellen will just be, well its on their blood to be scum so its not our fault.
I wonder if the idea is that she still has some of the mentality of an adult but doesn't have the emotional capacity to process them with her young age/hormones.
But it really feels like she's especially cold when it comes to Gadiel even though she knows he's sincere and nowhere near as bad as his dad, yet he's practically guilty by association like all the Royals are in the eyes of the Spirits.
The thing is that she isn’t a child mentally, also they were having a 1on1 conversation she shouldn’t be acting like toddler throwing a tantrum.
…so there’s absolutely zero reason to hurt the wolves but you did it
PETA please, use your assholeness just this once for good
Why is the adult woman who got reincarnated worried about her tits…
How do you not know about relations? Yes cousin…
Just so we are clear… if majesty did this etc then he must have known how this was going to end… WTF?
God I’m over the blame game of the royal family, ALL THIS COULD BE AVOIDED IF YOU JUST HELPED
Fuck this anime
And now they will make the situation worse and say that they won't help. Guess what desperate ruler would do? What they did 200 years ago!
The lesson learned should have been that spirit shouldn't abandon humans to the point that they desperately forced spirits to help out. Because seems like what spirits want humans to do is just to give up and die.
Honesty I agree with you and I don’t really understand why I keep coming back to watch it.
If she's from Japan she was probably really looking forward to maturing into a physique similar to Ori's 🤭
Can't, they're too busy hopefully getting sued out of existence by the Japanese horse racing mafia for being shitasses about Silence Suzuka on twitter and violating all the content guidelines for Uma Musume.
they finally mention how absurd it is that they are the same age
Ellen is honestly so underwhelming compared to konoha from kuro rekishi
Man this episode was stupid. On so many levels. This show has not been great so far...and it just keeps going downhill.
Just trust you son to complete his mission Ravisel.
Ravisel's scheming, even making use of Gadiel, only led to a more unfavorable outcome.
I also don't really get the point of the whole scheme. Like what was the end goal, ranson her for the medicine? Like that's the only thing I can think kidnapping her would have accomplished and even then that goes against his stated goals of keeping her family on side because they need their military strength. Like it just doesn't make sense from his stated goals and he hasn't been shown to be an absolute idiot, I do not understand this plan...
Maybe the plan was to have Gadiel and his team there to assist in rescuing Rafilia so that the Vankreift's would feel indebted to them? But that seems convoluted too.
You explained it in more detail.
Unfortunately, the end outcome was to trigger the Vankrieft Family even further.
Snatching defeat off the jaws of victory.
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I feel so sorry for the prince ngl
Like, he's actually really trying, even when they were accusing his dad he bore with it and accepted the accusations validity, he's trying to express his empathy and kindness...but it keeps getting rejected because of the family he was born in, the curse that he doesn't deserve to be stuck with, and because Ellen hates his dad.
This is textbook how to turn someone into a villain.
The Vankreifts seem to be confident that spirit abilities will solve all their problems, including not needing to have good relations with anyone else
Gods, I want to like this show. It has a lot of elements and feel of Ascendance of a Bookworm.
But the MC, and almost every main character outside of Gadiel and Rafilia, are basically villains with severe arrogance and pettiness.
Can we get a show about Gadiel and Rafilia overcoming the villains of their families instead?
I'm for this idea!
Man I really cannot stand Ellen's family.
And Ellen I'm even more disappointed in you.
You know the king is being manipulative so the family will do anything he says. Ellen is in a situation where she can’t show leniency on any of them even if the son feels bad and wants to make amends. He can’t do anything about it, only his dad (the king) can try to patch things as he is the head of the family. But he will continue to try to manipulate the family because he wants the power of the spirits on the kingdoms side.
And his every action seems to draw closer and closer to the spirits just rejecting the country wholesale.
I mean... with all we've seen, the Vankreift dukedom could probably just declare their independence and establish their own kingdom at this point. Would it be "betraying" the kingdom? Oh yes, certainly.
But what exactly is the king going to be able to do about if/when it gets to that point?
Not much, considering they don't only have The Knight Commander, but also The Hero pact-bound to The King of Spirits.
EDIT: and that's before we get into the tactical shit Ellen can contribute in terms of metallurgy and technology.
Honestly I'm on Team Rafilia/Gadiel at this point. Have them hook up and ditch everyone in their toxic families.
They're literally the only two good people. Maybe the mother and Jiji (grandpa butler).
Everyone else constantly acts morally superior while being insufferably arrogant and selfish
Lmao the jiji ain't better either, the grandmother gets why rafilia is how she is to a certain way but she's still I need to make my son figure it out himself.
It feels like Jiji and grandmother has the capacity to be good but are too complacent to the sins of evil the trio Vankrieft do, so are complicit.
The grandmother should've spent the three years fixing that relationship and shit. Nope, just let Aria rot in her room as the subhuman the Vankreift see her as.
The hero complex for the dad infected the whole family..he married basically a god..so I get it .but why do you act like you weren't human...treating everyone like this.
The royal family has more of an excuse to be the way they are.
Seriously. The royal family feel like more of a good guy protagonist than the Vankrieft.
What is the king's sin even? Doing proper politics? Something Raviel-hero-whatever his name is, did since episode 1? The King used politics to remove the previous bad king and undue the marriage of his piece of shit sister and throw her out. Then he did politics to try and end the spirit curse, which clearly is important for the kingdom's future, and get the secret medicine to save the people.
Versus Raviel who did politics to humiliate and throw out the wife of his brother (a bad marriage but that did include the daughter, a minor), force a commoner to marry his brother suddenly, and continually harass the royal family over personal beef. All purely selfish acts.
Loren and Grandma put more effort doting on Ellen than reaching out to Rafilia, their other granddaughter
Granddaughter? Don't you mean accessory in storage? Or future political tool?
Between the treatment of Aria and Gadiel, Ellen has a surprising lack of empathy to anyone despite being from the modern day. Makes me wonder what she actually like in her old life.
Like Gadiel is effectively blameless in any of this, but she's treating him like he's has any responsibility for what his father does. She doesn't need to pal around with him, being around him literally brings her pain so like sure, but she treats him like ass. And it's not even in a tough love kind of way, it straight up feels like she sees him as responsible.
I feel like the Vankreift's in general have a very selective form of empathy.
I swear this show feels almost like an unintentional villainess anime. Like there is another version of this show where Rafilia is the protagonist, Ellen is the oh so perfect antagonist who either unintentionally or knowingly magically charms nearly everyone she comes into contact with. Gadiel is Rafilia's end goal love interest who is bewitched by Ellen and overlooks Rafilia is an actual love interest despite how poorly Ellen treats him. What happened to Aria is seen as a tragedy and the whole Vankrieft family are depicted as looking down on Rafilia and her mother and generally as selfish and egotistical. Sauvel in this version is at best genuinely so conditioned by his noble life style that it makes him blind to how bad he is as a husband and father.
That goes with the whole ancestor’s curse thing as well. You would think that she would be more empathetic towards his circumstance and recognize him as a victim, but instead she took the stance of “it’s too late to apologize”; which is really unfair.
I made the mistake of picking up this anime. I regret not dropping it. And with each new episode that regret only increases. I can't wait for this anime to end so I can review it a 4 and forget its lame's existence.
Say it with me friend
NODROPMASTERRACE
Nah, this show almost got the axe from me too. It only survived by being better than Gatherer Isekai (1 episode), Mangaka (1 episode), Let’s Play (1 episode), and Plus-Sized Misadventures (3 episodes).
Gatherer actually picked up steam, it's one of the three I look forward to the most now
a 4? That’s pretty generous
Lol man this show really does promote ancestral guilt. Like she basically said, a disease will spread and you will pay for what your ancestors did and you deserve it. Also Van being, how dare you be upset and our perfect princess you piece of filth! I know its not exactly like that but I kinda low key dislike the spirits. Like they are eternal sure, but its like, your relative did this, so you're just as bad as them! Even more so with Ellen being an isekaied person and deciding, nah you piece of trash, I don't give a fuck that you're trying to apologize and remedy this, your Great however many grandfather wrong the spirits, and we will find proof on your father and seek out retribution!
Spirits in this show are absolutely petty and spiteful as @#$%.
I disagree. The spirits saw the brethren massacred and were forced to fight in their lifetime. It's not a generations old thing for them. Of course they would hold a grudge.
That part is understandable, it's how long that the grudge has been held without trying to address it as well as how they regard people in the present-day who seemingly slight them even for petty grievances that stands out.
Why is she such a hard-ass to this kid who is innocent in all this? I get that she has to be firm with the royal family for political reasons since they will soon be driven against a wall again, but it still feels unfair to be so bitchy towards him.
Cause if not, that kid will just get manipulated again by his scummy father to hurt Ellen's family.
That's not how I expected Rafilia and Ellen's first interaction to go but you know what, still peak
kind of feel bad for the prince, dudes down bad for Ellen but can't put it into words and she's being reasonably Icy towards him
I just want this king to meet his demise. He's harming everyone, including his son, and he doesn't give a shit.
One thing I get annoyed about is when Ellen gets too into character and forgets that she was reincarnated and acts like a 10yo baby. Like I understand living in the moment and getting more used to ti but the plot acts like she almost never reincarnated sometimes like she was always here.
Man every character in this show except for Rafilia and Gadiel terribly suck
The main character has to be the most annoying mc i’ve ever witnessed. Promised to hear out what the prince has to say then proceeds to talk over the prince the whole time and not hear him out. Definitely not watching the final episode next week, way to ruin the show.
I’m honestly not enjoying this story very much so far. I haven’t gone beyond what the anime has covered, but the way the curse is handled really dampens my interest. I’m not entirely sure how it affects the royal family specifically, but I find myself sympathizing with them far more than with the spirits. As a result, the spirits come across less like victims and more like antagonists.
The curse is repeatedly described as being so ancient that everyone afflicted has forgotten why it exists, has no clear way to break it, and has been completely cut off from any meaningful solution. That isolation leaves them with only one option: resorting to underhanded or forceful tactics in a desperate attempt to escape their situation. While that doesn’t excuse their actions, it does make them feel less like calculated villains and more like people lashing out after being trapped for generations.
What makes this especially frustrating is that so much of the suffering seems preventable. If the spirits had taken any real initiative at any point—communicating, seeking understanding, or offering some path forward—the entire conflict might have been avoided. Instead, their inaction makes it difficult for me to see them as sympathetic, even though the story seems to want me to.
Even worse, Gadiel has come basically to the point that the spirits allegedly want to break the curse... but is not even given a chance to do anything.
Bro spent how many episodes trying to apologize but is prevented from actually doing so? Getting yelled at and attacked constantly? Bro went to the stone everyday trying to be repentful, the very thing that got Raviel to grab Ori's attention. But Gadiel is treated with scorn instead.
It's so unforgiving and villainous. This episode felt quite insulting to watch.
Okay, Ellen was on some bullshit with how she handled Gadiel, she did him so dirty.
. "Your ancestors did something that should never have been done."
Yes, his ancestors did, not him. It's not fair to hold him accountable for the wrongdoings of his ancestors. This could've been a good opportunity to tell him to not feel guilty or apologize for his ancestors' sins, instead, she told him that any apology he offers would be too late, thus eliminating any opportunities to mend the fences.
. Just like with his ancestors, Ellen's also punishing Gadiel for the wrongdoings of his father, wrongdoings that he wasn't involved with nor aware.
. She told him "Never contact us again.", which is really unfair for Gadiel. All he wanted to do was to be on good terms with Ellen and the Vankreift family, but now any chances of that are slashed because of his father did. Also, Gadiel is Rafilia's friends and was the only person, I don't think she's take kindly to Ellen cutting off contact with him.
Gadiel got a real bum deal.
The weird thing is she even rationalized what the royals did and seemed to understand why they did what they did as if she was trying to make Gadiel feel better...even though she then doubled down on how nothing is ever going to change between their families, the royals/spirits, or between the two of them.
Like what even is the plot at this point? The crazy dysfunctional Vankreift Family? The cold war between the Vankreift's and the Royal Family? Ellen just being the best and in the right no matter what she does? Gadiel being basically useless and capable of little more than trying to get Ellen to pay attention to him for five minutes even though she clearly doesn't care a wink about him for stuff that's out of his control?
It’s just so upsetting that this is the direction that they went with. Regarding his ancestors and his father, she should recognize that Gadiel is a victim to all of this as well. Her goal should be trying to be on good terms with him, but instead, she decided to double down on being against the royal family.
Legit what is this anime? All I can’t help but think:
You want me to be the bad guy? Fine I’ll be the bad guy
(Rapunzel movie)
Cue the king doing electric boogaloo part 2 to prevent the disease because the spirits are dicks
Self fulfilling prophecy
At this point I’m just hoping the spirits power comes from humans prayers or etc and with how humanity turns against them then do they stop being assess
This anime wants us to be on Ellen’s side no matter what
They want us to be on her side so badly... by telling us how good she is and having every character praise her.
Despite Ellen's actions being quite cruel when it comes to individual characters.
Hell, she makes her medicine for free and wants to charge for it. So much for saving lives to save lives. I guess those peasants' lives don't matter because they happen to live in the royal capital.
Dude seriously.
King: If I can't rely on the spirits to save my people, I will use politics to get the secret cure from that family hoarding the medicine
Vankrief: such an evil guy! How dare he do political schemes! Only we are allowed to do political schemes like setting up a wife and her daughter to be publicly humiliated and thrown into a literal dark tower fort. But using politics to save people??? BLACK HEART
Gadiel: I want to break the curse and make things right
Spirits/Vankrief: you can break the curse by repenting. But we won't let you repent. Be eternally damned!
Well, let's not forget she immediately judged and wrote the entire family off as "evil" explicitly because they have a dark aura around them. So judging them by an appearance.
Even after learning that it was not reflective of their souls or whatever, but a curse, she still writes them off as evil and continues using that black-hearted monikor
In this world the royals inherit their authority to rule from their ancestors, so it makes just as much sense that they can inherit their ancestor's guilt as well. Perhaps it is a divine punishment that will persist until they abandon the reigns of power.
Sins of the father much? It was their sins, not his; it’s not fair that he has to be punished by a curse that he wasn’t responsible for.
I kind of feel sad for the prince.
I would be so over this anime if this wasn't almost the last episode. Rafilia hasn't done anything wrong, neither has Gaudiel and Ellen is acting high and mighty but gets pressed when called out for her lack of physical maturity. The kingdom is now on it's way to have to resort to the same methods they did 200 yers ago because the spirits are more focused on being petty than finding a permanent solution. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense for the actual spirits to have grievances but Rovel who is an ex-human and Ellen who is a reincarnator should be able to look past that. The main characters are the actual villains.
I feel bad for Gadiel. Kid is getting it from all directions even though none of the bad stuff happening is his fault. Heck, he seems like a pretty decent person.
But because his ancestors did a horrible thing, he's cursed, and because his father is a manipulative, underhanded, piece of crap, he gets ostracized by the most powerful family in their country (and likely the world).
He gets punished for the wrongs of others and gets treated like it's his fault.
It's not right.
Ellen in merciless mode again. Sorry Prince-kun, no cookies for you. :(
Gadiel: "The worst she can say is no!"
Ellen: (Proceeds to coldly express how his family is doomed and how her family isn't going to lift a finger towards them)
Gadiel: "I stand corrected."
They would have done the same had he not talked, so it's not negative consequences of him trying to speak to her.
But he did get a jar full of antibiotics.
While also telling him in no uncertain terms that there's a plague on its way that she has no intention of helping his family with whatsoever.
And probably super upcharge them for what is presumably free for their people.
But the innocent civilians in the royal capital? Sorry, you're doomed because the perfect goddess, Ellen, has a petty vindetta against one family.
Why would Ellen *not* want the humans to learn how to make the medecine? Isn't it a problem if humans have to keep relying on her to make ALL of it??? Also wasn't Ellen a scientific researcher????? Is she really so shameful as to hog the knowledge all to herself??? Not even giving a single hint???? Or like, giving them a microscope and say "you figure it out"???? Her going "it's just impossible for you humans" makes me think that she is absolutely rotten.
a Ellen é uma insuportável meu deus o vilão é o Rei mas ela é cuzona com todo mundo
I had a good laugh at Rafilia being smug about being taller and having bigger boobs than Ellen. It's even funnier when Rovel tried to comfort Ellen by telling her that her mom's boobs are huge, so hers would be too in the future. xD
While I do feel bad for Gadiel since he genuinely wants to fix the rift between the Spirits and the Royal Family, I think I'm with Ellen here. Sure, Gadiel is sincere, but considering Ravisel's actions, the Royal Family's intentions as a whole are still questionable.
Like, we can argue about Ellen's decision not to forgive the Royal Family for something their ancestors have done, but how can Ellen even trust them if Ravisel are sending bandits to kidnap her family? I feel like the quickest way to fix this is to force Ravisel off the throne and have Gadiel take over. I feel like Ellen would be more open to talking after that.
Honestly I feel like I shouldn't support Rafilia bullying Ellen to tears by flexing her more mature body but honestly it felt kind of cathartic to see someone actually not drink the Ellen Kool Aid and kind of call her out for once. Sure, everyone kind of turned on her after that, but I'm still on Team Rafilia.
Gadiel is a good kid who thinks he's in a fantasy romance like Ellen's parents were but he's just being manipulated by his dad and the person he wants to be closer to really doesn't want anything to do with him or his family.
Good lord these spirits are such a pain. I mean that as an entity. It just seems so irrational to be judged and punished for something your ancestors did that you couldn't influence cause you didn't exist yet.
And even if you want to make amends or reconcile it doesn't work else EVERYONE is on board. Heck there's no guarantee that would even work.
At this point the most logical way of ending the spirits curse would be to eliminate the royal bloodline by preventing them from having biological children.
Ellen getting all of her silliness out this episode with her reaction to Rafilia's insult and Van's fluffiness contrasted well with her stern and no nonsense attitude to Prince Gadiel.
King Ravisel's constant scheming leading to this kidnapping incident was way too foolish of an act for him to take.
I'd be white as a ghost if I knew I had incurred the spirits ire! I hope the king realizes how badly he's messed up.
man you haters don't even pay attention at all or just can't comprehend it. wonder why you guys even still keep watching? masochist maybe?
the thing with rafalia's mother is just. she is fucking lusting after rovel. that's the whole reason why rovel won't give her any greetings. if she had only admire rovel, he would had given her an admirable brother/sister-in-law relationship. ori's sisters gave her a warning during the wedding and Ellen even told her how she is already breaking her vow right as she was signing it. she even said there is no point in meeting sauvel if rovel wasn't there too. she don't care about sauvel at all but she is the victim.... sure....
rafalia wise, she's indeed in a difficult situation. a commoner transitioning to a noble and being compare to Ellen is quite difficult. she gets lecture in nobility all the time and neither sauvel or her mom give her enough time to talk to. she don't understand how much her life had already change and how dangerous her actions are. not blaming her, she is still just a child.
sauvel.... he's have horrible luck. 2 bad marriage. he's too busy trying to revitalize his land after his first wife awful spending. he also thought that it's best to have rafalia learn a noble's duties so he threw all that to her tutors. only thing he did wrong was he should have interacted more with rafalia.
for the spirit and royal, there are just too much controversy. the royal should have stayed away knowing they are cursed and getting near spirits will get the spirits attack. although it is not the current royals' fault, it is within their bloodline. rovel only ask they stop meddling. in time of duty, the vankreift will respond like usual. it's the royals not listening.