Not enough in this case, because the ending isn't really the problem. The leadup is.
[OnK manga]Aka teased like 10 different endings in the final arcs, never really stuck with one until all of a sudden he just picked an ending that was teased a while ago but was seemingly abandoned. You can use any of the other possible endings, the problem's still the same, there's no clear buildup to it.
The anime adaptations of AoT and Hero Academia have managed to shift the perception of their endings but it'll be truly a miracle if it manages the same with Oshi no Ko. The other two at least had people defending it even before the anime, but I've never seen anyone defending Oshi no Ko's.
My Hero dont even have a bad ending. People were just to busy making mcdonalds meme that they forgot to read the words in the chapter, since it was leaked.
MHA's line of quality is rough, and you can pick at alot of flaws with the ending, but it really feels like it got the tail end of everyone being high af on outrage and brainrot memes.
The plot holes and incoherences of MHA started appearing way before the actual ending, yes. If anything the ending is the best part of the shitshow that MHA became in the last arcs.
I don't know what other people think but I still hated the ending of AOT in anime. The core problems I had with the manga ending is still there with the anime adaptation. On the other hand Hero Academia's ending isn't even that bad in the manga honestly, but I do agree the anime made it better.
It could be salvaged if they add an extra season of content. The largest problem with the ending was how random and out of place it felt. The movie arc would also need a big rework. It's a huge undertaking though, I wouldn't be surprised if they take one of the far easier routes
The whole ending would need to be reworked so it doesn't make the entire story pretty much useless to read. It doesn't feel rewarding, it just feels like you got gut punched out of nowhere.
I feel like My Hero isn't even remotely on the same level of AoT and OnK in terms of controversial to straight up garbage endings. It wasn't amazing but MHA didn't have close to the same blow back except for from fujoshis.
My Hero is a weird ending to a weird show that can't decide if its a serious exploration of problems with society, or your standard power of friendship will save the day. Even if you say it betrayed the premise, it still delivers a decent in character ending.
Oshi no Ko and Attack on Titan assassinated their characters for contrived nonsense
I enjoyed the ending. I like [Oshi no Ko manga ending] sad endings in general. And I think it wasn't as out-of-character as people like to say. But tbh reading week-to-week it's hard to remember all of the development of each character, so maybe I'd feel differently on a binge reread
[ONK manga] Aqua was shown studying/aiming for medicine literally a few chapters before the ending where he died. He wanted to be a doctor again. He didn't want to die. Even if the author wanted the main character to die, then they should've shown the audience that Aqua had given up on his dreams and was ready to take revenge but this wasn't the case at all. It was inconsistent and felt unnatural/out of character.
Not to mention that [OnK manga]The last 1/4 of the manga is literally them making a movie that will frame Kamiki and ruin his life. And you have the police detaining one of his accomplices who's ready to confess. That's it, Aqua won, threat's over. But he still decided to take himself out with Kamiki. Like.. why? If that was your goal anyway, why even make the movie? Moreover Aka did try to make Kamiki at least a bit sympathetic towards the end so why even do that if this is the ending we're aiming for? The ending we got was the most predictable ending based on just watching episode 1 or cour 1. But the entire middle section of the manga is going in a completely different direction, so what was the point of the actual manga? OnK could've just been 2 movies and that's it, episode 1 + an ending movie. Nobody had any character development anyway because it always got reset.
[ONK Manga] Facts!!! If he was going to die again, why was he reincarnated in the first place? In the end he said it was for Ruby's sake, but as you said the police came and she was already safe. If anything, he'll not be there to protect her in the future if another fan starts stalking Ruby. He knew he was the most important person for Sarina/Ruby so how did he decide to hurt her more than anything or anybody while saying she'll forget about him??? Dude, she has a crush on you since like the past 20 years! There's no way she'll be okay!!! His death only caused more trauma to the people around him. It was evitable after 150 chapters of development but he was killed off.
They won't bruh. Anime nowadays is hella faithful, they never change anything. At most just little tweaks but that's not enough to save this one.
Though it will probably be better received, or rather, not as badly received, in the anime than manga just due to better schedule and because the adaptation is incredible.
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1) as brought up in the first and second part of this very show, anime only is not a thing in Japan. People are expected to already read the source material and adaptators understand people would be mad if the adaptation significantly changed the source material
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Sadly, with anime these days, you rarely can have an anime-only experience with these big adaptations. It's more so HOW they are adapted, and guess what? You will get spoiled. Oshi no Ko & JJK fanbases were both awful in how they kept spoiling manga leaks for those that waited for official releases, like me. They will very likely mention spoilers without a care in the world for anime-onlies.
It is the thing that is very difficult to mod. Because of how huge the fandoms are. Maybe having a bot that would flag posts would be the only thing I could think of that would work.
I realise huge fandoms and subs are difficult to moderate effectively(or at all tbh) so in a way it is what it is. This sort of behavior just annoys tf outta me(and I know it's not just me), maybe that's what they get off on.
It was the same thing back when the later seasons of AoT aired live and I did the only thing I could: just disengage from the episode discussions completely which is sad in it's own way.
Cheers for having a balanced take, I'm way too pissed off for that.
If you think someone's spoiling you can report the comment. Chances are there's a mod out there that considers even talking about the ending as if it already happened enough to nuke a chain.
Generally speaking, merely saying that you liked/disliked an ending is not spoilers. That contains no actual details about the contents of a show; instead, it's purely personal opinion. However, getting into details about what happened that made you like/dislike the ending will usually be spoilers.
I've kind of always hated that about this subreddit, but I consider "guys this upcoming arc is going to be so hype / you're going to cry your eyes out / you actually aren't ready for the twist" to be spoilers, as it ends up priming your expectations or dampening the moment.
And then in Oshi No Ko's case, the constant complaining about the ending has caused people to just outright post what happens on this sub before you guys could delete it (not blaming the mod team of course, you guys can't monitor every single comment at all points and time). At this point I'm completely spoiled and just have to hope the anime goes in a different direction.
I don't have a good answer but I do wish even speaking about upcoming arcs and endings in generalities was more frowned upon, because that type of culture seems to encourage stupid people to just outright post spoilers.
I actually disagree with this to some extent. The backlash against the ending of several recent mangas was so widespread that it essentially becomes a spoiler, even if no one revealed what happened.
I always say, don't just remove their comments, give them 3/7 days / escalating bans. This is r/ANIME not r/manga, if you can't behave just go to the specific sub of your show.
Sadly, upvotes mean "I agree" on reddit, and these threads are full of manga readers who all agree, so it goes to the top, and given everyone's talking about the manga lots of anime-onlies don't check them out (fear of spoiler, or just not wanting to see a million manga readers talk about how much they don't like it), so the problem makes itself worse.
I once made a comment on this on META but apparently that's fine.
PV threads and Visuals threads on r/anime are often disguised "Let's talk about the manga" threads.
It’s wild. This sub and the animemes sub even moreso act like everyone reads every manga and freely post shit about the mangas of actively ongoing anime. I’ve been spoiled on the ending of pretty much every major series because people can’t keep their damn mouths shut.
Would be real nice if people kept discussion of it to manga spaces. Basically become impossible to consume or discuss this from an anime only perspective. Drains enjoyment for me all on its own and I haven't even had a chance to experience or form my own opinion on the ending yet.
Happens every single time a larger manga ends. I'm tired of it.
Manga readers will never not find an opportunity to spoil anime-onlies. You can't do anything about it because reading the manga before it became an anime is their whole personality
We're trying to warn you to bail now, before you waste any more time on this shit. Learn from our mistakes, don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy, and RUN.
never has a shitty ending (and i've experienced many in all forms of media) ruined everything that came before.
You say that, but that's exactly what the ending of Oshi no Ko did for me. Worse, it retroactively tainted Kaguya-sama as well, since the two take place in the same universe. I'm both venting my anger over that, and trying to stop it from happening to others; I dearly wish I'd stopped reading Oshi no Ko before the end, and simply wish to give others the option I didn't have.
Well....talk about it in spaces where people have already read the ending then, manga and oshi no ko subs for example; just not in a post that previews the upcoming season of the anime that is currently in a very different part of the story.
I agree with your take re: revenge mystery drama it's just that us anime onlies are still in the midst of the mystery part for Oshi no ko and certain takes and pseudo-secretive wordings a la "hint, hint, wink, wink, IYKYK" are ruining that for us.
Are you for real? Not spoiling future developments in an upcoming anime/season should be baseline behavior on an anime sub but me calling these people out is what you criticize?
Yes, because nothing is being spoiled besides the fact that the ending is heavily disliked, I’m calling you out on your immature bs, go crash out somewhere else
So can you go into detail how it’s breaking the rules? And if it’s breaking them, then you’re free to report them, and since you’re right, they will be removed
A spoiler is a piece of information from a show that knowledge of without having seen the show could negatively impact a viewer's experience.
IMO posting about one's dislike of a part of the manga that has not happened on screen yet qualifies as "negatively impacting a viewer's experience". People might(and do?) disagree but for me it seems to be a very basic thing to be mindful about when discussing an upcoming show, rules or not.
If other people’s opinion ruins something for your own personal experience, then it’s on YOU, no information about the series is being spoiled, you are allowed to like something others don’t.
Just discuss your opinions on a sub where everybody has already read the content in question, it's really not that hard to not annoy us anime only viewers in this sub.
A person here or there saying “I didn’t like the ending of that series” is completely different than a huge portion of the community making hundreds of posts and thousands of comments about how dogshit the ending was of whatever series just ended.
Any reference to anything that hasn’t happened in the anime or how you feel about anything that hasn’t happened in the anime is a spoiler. No other way of looking at it.
True, the 73 comments removed for spoilers in every ONK thread are just decorations.
Just because you didn't see them in time doesn't mean they don't exist.
EVERYONE who has ever been in these threads know about 1 specific developement to come, why do you think that is? Because people spoil it 50 times in every ONK thread.
Just in the comments to the top comment, there is talk about [onk spoiler]a timeskip and how [onk major spoiler]the ending is very much not a happy one.
Regardless, that the ending is disliked is a point that everybody understood at this point because it already has been talked on every single other post about this series, it is now completely irrelevant on a post for next season specifically.
Also:
immature bs
How nice of you to tell people what to do for your own sake
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They really dont want to show too much of the content, this is literally 30sec of the previous Trailer...
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Change that ending and it will be one of the best stories! I hope they used that 1 year break wisely!
this season won’t cover the ending. They still have an entire of season of content before even getting to the final arc.
it almost fits perfectly into 2 more cours by the precious pacing
good thing this is only a 3 season anime am I right
Not enough in this case, because the ending isn't really the problem. The leadup is.
[OnK manga]Aka teased like 10 different endings in the final arcs, never really stuck with one until all of a sudden he just picked an ending that was teased a while ago but was seemingly abandoned. You can use any of the other possible endings, the problem's still the same, there's no clear buildup to it.
The anime adaptations of AoT and Hero Academia have managed to shift the perception of their endings but it'll be truly a miracle if it manages the same with Oshi no Ko. The other two at least had people defending it even before the anime, but I've never seen anyone defending Oshi no Ko's.
My Hero dont even have a bad ending. People were just to busy making mcdonalds meme that they forgot to read the words in the chapter, since it was leaked.
MHA's line of quality is rough, and you can pick at alot of flaws with the ending, but it really feels like it got the tail end of everyone being high af on outrage and brainrot memes.
The plot holes and incoherences of MHA started appearing way before the actual ending, yes. If anything the ending is the best part of the shitshow that MHA became in the last arcs.
I don't know what other people think but I still hated the ending of AOT in anime. The core problems I had with the manga ending is still there with the anime adaptation. On the other hand Hero Academia's ending isn't even that bad in the manga honestly, but I do agree the anime made it better.
I haven't read the manga but I know spoilers of what happens. Ts genuinely seems unsalvageable 😭
It could be salvaged if they add an extra season of content. The largest problem with the ending was how random and out of place it felt. The movie arc would also need a big rework. It's a huge undertaking though, I wouldn't be surprised if they take one of the far easier routes
The whole ending would need to be reworked so it doesn't make the entire story pretty much useless to read. It doesn't feel rewarding, it just feels like you got gut punched out of nowhere.
The concept of the ending is bad, because it makes the entire manga pointless. It's hard to salvage
Nah the concept was great but the execution was terrible. It needed more build up
I feel like My Hero isn't even remotely on the same level of AoT and OnK in terms of controversial to straight up garbage endings. It wasn't amazing but MHA didn't have close to the same blow back except for from fujoshis.
My Hero is a weird ending to a weird show that can't decide if its a serious exploration of problems with society, or your standard power of friendship will save the day. Even if you say it betrayed the premise, it still delivers a decent in character ending.
Oshi no Ko and Attack on Titan assassinated their characters for contrived nonsense
Ya'll smoking some weird shit if you think MHA ending is bad or weird.
Couldn't have been better
I enjoyed the ending. I like [Oshi no Ko manga ending] sad endings in general. And I think it wasn't as out-of-character as people like to say. But tbh reading week-to-week it's hard to remember all of the development of each character, so maybe I'd feel differently on a binge reread
[ONK manga] Aqua was shown studying/aiming for medicine literally a few chapters before the ending where he died. He wanted to be a doctor again. He didn't want to die. Even if the author wanted the main character to die, then they should've shown the audience that Aqua had given up on his dreams and was ready to take revenge but this wasn't the case at all. It was inconsistent and felt unnatural/out of character.
Not to mention that [OnK manga]The last 1/4 of the manga is literally them making a movie that will frame Kamiki and ruin his life. And you have the police detaining one of his accomplices who's ready to confess. That's it, Aqua won, threat's over. But he still decided to take himself out with Kamiki. Like.. why? If that was your goal anyway, why even make the movie? Moreover Aka did try to make Kamiki at least a bit sympathetic towards the end so why even do that if this is the ending we're aiming for? The ending we got was the most predictable ending based on just watching episode 1 or cour 1. But the entire middle section of the manga is going in a completely different direction, so what was the point of the actual manga? OnK could've just been 2 movies and that's it, episode 1 + an ending movie. Nobody had any character development anyway because it always got reset.
[ONK Manga] Facts!!! If he was going to die again, why was he reincarnated in the first place? In the end he said it was for Ruby's sake, but as you said the police came and she was already safe. If anything, he'll not be there to protect her in the future if another fan starts stalking Ruby. He knew he was the most important person for Sarina/Ruby so how did he decide to hurt her more than anything or anybody while saying she'll forget about him??? Dude, she has a crush on you since like the past 20 years! There's no way she'll be okay!!! His death only caused more trauma to the people around him. It was evitable after 150 chapters of development but he was killed off.
They won't bruh. Anime nowadays is hella faithful, they never change anything. At most just little tweaks but that's not enough to save this one.
Though it will probably be better received, or rather, not as badly received, in the anime than manga just due to better schedule and because the adaptation is incredible.
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This probably won’t happen
1) as brought up in the first and second part of this very show, anime only is not a thing in Japan. People are expected to already read the source material and adaptators understand people would be mad if the adaptation significantly changed the source material
2) the author has moral rights over their work and adaptation and likely would not allow significant alterations of their work. The stage play and live action didn’t change much so I doubt Aka will allow changes.
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man if the anime ever animates “that” aqua and ruby scene. man imagine the outcry here 😅. But prolly they wont and scrap it all together.
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Is this season wrapping up the story? I read the manga a little past the stage play arc, and haven't seen the anime yet.
No, there should be at least 1 more season after this one, maybe 2.
wednesday is not very sexy day to air unlike friday and saturday, but ill take it
This is going to be a great Arc
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can people f***ing stop talking about the manga already? ending this, ending that....there's a lot of us anime onlies here, chill out folks!
Sadly, with anime these days, you rarely can have an anime-only experience with these big adaptations. It's more so HOW they are adapted, and guess what? You will get spoiled. Oshi no Ko & JJK fanbases were both awful in how they kept spoiling manga leaks for those that waited for official releases, like me. They will very likely mention spoilers without a care in the world for anime-onlies.
It is the thing that is very difficult to mod. Because of how huge the fandoms are. Maybe having a bot that would flag posts would be the only thing I could think of that would work.
I realise huge fandoms and subs are difficult to moderate effectively(or at all tbh) so in a way it is what it is. This sort of behavior just annoys tf outta me(and I know it's not just me), maybe that's what they get off on.
It was the same thing back when the later seasons of AoT aired live and I did the only thing I could: just disengage from the episode discussions completely which is sad in it's own way.
Cheers for having a balanced take, I'm way too pissed off for that.
If you think someone's spoiling you can report the comment. Chances are there's a mod out there that considers even talking about the ending as if it already happened enough to nuke a chain.
I mean can't hurt to try
Generally speaking, merely saying that you liked/disliked an ending is not spoilers. That contains no actual details about the contents of a show; instead, it's purely personal opinion. However, getting into details about what happened that made you like/dislike the ending will usually be spoilers.
I've kind of always hated that about this subreddit, but I consider "guys this upcoming arc is going to be so hype / you're going to cry your eyes out / you actually aren't ready for the twist" to be spoilers, as it ends up priming your expectations or dampening the moment.
And then in Oshi No Ko's case, the constant complaining about the ending has caused people to just outright post what happens on this sub before you guys could delete it (not blaming the mod team of course, you guys can't monitor every single comment at all points and time). At this point I'm completely spoiled and just have to hope the anime goes in a different direction.
I don't have a good answer but I do wish even speaking about upcoming arcs and endings in generalities was more frowned upon, because that type of culture seems to encourage stupid people to just outright post spoilers.
I actually disagree with this to some extent. The backlash against the ending of several recent mangas was so widespread that it essentially becomes a spoiler, even if no one revealed what happened.
I always say, don't just remove their comments, give them 3/7 days / escalating bans. This is r/ANIME not r/manga, if you can't behave just go to the specific sub of your show.
And can people stop upvoting those comments, for fuck sake? How is it all of the top comments again.
Like this season isn't even adapting the final part, none of the comments are relevant to the trailer even one bit.
Sadly, upvotes mean "I agree" on reddit, and these threads are full of manga readers who all agree, so it goes to the top, and given everyone's talking about the manga lots of anime-onlies don't check them out (fear of spoiler, or just not wanting to see a million manga readers talk about how much they don't like it), so the problem makes itself worse.
I once made a comment on this on META but apparently that's fine.
PV threads and Visuals threads on r/anime are often disguised "Let's talk about the manga" threads.
It’s wild. This sub and the animemes sub even moreso act like everyone reads every manga and freely post shit about the mangas of actively ongoing anime. I’ve been spoiled on the ending of pretty much every major series because people can’t keep their damn mouths shut.
Same. This is the reason I hate JJK fandom the most.
Would be real nice if people kept discussion of it to manga spaces. Basically become impossible to consume or discuss this from an anime only perspective. Drains enjoyment for me all on its own and I haven't even had a chance to experience or form my own opinion on the ending yet.
Happens every single time a larger manga ends. I'm tired of it.
Manga readers will never not find an opportunity to spoil anime-onlies. You can't do anything about it because reading the manga before it became an anime is their whole personality
We're trying to warn you to bail now, before you waste any more time on this shit. Learn from our mistakes, don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy, and RUN.
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You say that, but that's exactly what the ending of Oshi no Ko did for me. Worse, it retroactively tainted Kaguya-sama as well, since the two take place in the same universe. I'm both venting my anger over that, and trying to stop it from happening to others; I dearly wish I'd stopped reading Oshi no Ko before the end, and simply wish to give others the option I didn't have.
A revenge mystery drama can't be talked about without it's ending. The entire story hinges on the ending.
Well....talk about it in spaces where people have already read the ending then, manga and oshi no ko subs for example; just not in a post that previews the upcoming season of the anime that is currently in a very different part of the story.
I agree with your take re: revenge mystery drama it's just that us anime onlies are still in the midst of the mystery part for Oshi no ko and certain takes and pseudo-secretive wordings a la "hint, hint, wink, wink, IYKYK" are ruining that for us.
How nice of you to tell people what to do for your own sake, have you tried contributing to the thread and reporting spoilers instead?
Are you for real? Not spoiling future developments in an upcoming anime/season should be baseline behavior on an anime sub but me calling these people out is what you criticize?
Yes, because nothing is being spoiled besides the fact that the ending is heavily disliked, I’m calling you out on your immature bs, go crash out somewhere else
That's a pretty heavy spoiler IMO
So can you go into detail how it’s breaking the rules? And if it’s breaking them, then you’re free to report them, and since you’re right, they will be removed
from the rules:
IMO posting about one's dislike of a part of the manga that has not happened on screen yet qualifies as "negatively impacting a viewer's experience". People might(and do?) disagree but for me it seems to be a very basic thing to be mindful about when discussing an upcoming show, rules or not.
If other people’s opinion ruins something for your own personal experience, then it’s on YOU, no information about the series is being spoiled, you are allowed to like something others don’t.
Good thing you aren’t a mod, you’d ruin this sub.
Just discuss your opinions on a sub where everybody has already read the content in question, it's really not that hard to not annoy us anime only viewers in this sub.
You’re free to create your own anime sub and moderate it as you’d like, instead of imposing yourself on others
Have a day as good as your attitude
A person here or there saying “I didn’t like the ending of that series” is completely different than a huge portion of the community making hundreds of posts and thousands of comments about how dogshit the ending was of whatever series just ended.
Any reference to anything that hasn’t happened in the anime or how you feel about anything that hasn’t happened in the anime is a spoiler. No other way of looking at it.
True, the 73 comments removed for spoilers in every ONK thread are just decorations.
Just because you didn't see them in time doesn't mean they don't exist.
EVERYONE who has ever been in these threads know about 1 specific developement to come, why do you think that is? Because people spoil it 50 times in every ONK thread.
Just in the comments to the top comment, there is talk about [onk spoiler]a timeskip and how [onk major spoiler]the ending is very much not a happy one.
Regardless, that the ending is disliked is a point that everybody understood at this point because it already has been talked on every single other post about this series, it is now completely irrelevant on a post for next season specifically.
Also:
Pretty ironic to call other people immature here.
You managed to find 2 (vague) spoilers, per the rules, you can report them and they will be removed :)
We feastin on some premium beautifully animated garbage yeaaaaaaaaaaa
Here's hoping the animators didn't read the manga
I will enjoy the last bit of good Oshi no Ko has in it. 🫶
Im not even excited for this anymore after the punch in face that was the manga ending
My favourite part, finally!
I was really looking forward to this; it was my favorite arc in the manga. But, well, you know...
Still haven’t watched season 2 😵💫
Oh this is going to be a train wreck if they don’t make significant changes from the source.
They probably won’t either….i’ll be curious to see what the anime only end up thinking.
I am simply not ready even tho I read it as it was coming out…
日本人だけど、推しの子観てないわ。
Just happy for more Akane 🙌
As a natori fan I hope his voice blesses all those who haven’t heard his voice before with the Ed.
Me who liked ONK ending: 🚬🗿
JANUARY 14 IS TOO FAR :(
damn this season is a heartbreaker
I don't hate OnK ending, but it still absolutely took all my enthusiasm about the series and shot it behind the shed. So idk, maybe I should hate it.
But I feel the same about Call of the night so idk anymore.
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Finnally!! It's here I have been waiting desparately for this season 🤩 Vote if your were also waiting 👇🏻
People saying the manga ending is truly terrible, but i never really felt the quality about Oshi no Ko, even in season 1.