From the Star Tribune:
In 2023, Gender Justice [a "gender equity" advocacy group] filed a discrimination claim with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights (MDHR) on behalf of a transgender man who contended being wrongfully moved from the men’s to the women’s unit at the Hennepin County jail.
Although the man had transitioned more than a decade earlier and was initially correctly placed in the men’s unit, a correctional officer later reclassified him based solely on assumptions about his anatomy...
After MDHR found that Hennepin County unlawfully discriminated, the parties reached a settlement which included a change to the jail's housing policy. The county will now "utilize an inmate’s self-reported gender identity as the primary means of determining their housing assignment", according to Gender Justice. Such policies are a matter of "dignity and respect" says the advocacy group.
But the dignity and respect must be balanced against other interests, such as inmate safety. From the Economist:
A freedom-of-information request in May by Keep Prisons Single Sex, another campaign group, found that 48% of the 1,433 inmates in federal male prisons who identify as women are there for sex offences, nearly four times the share in the general prison population...Furthermore, inmates identifying as women in federal male prisons are three times as likely as the general prison population to be classed as high-security...
In California, another public-records request found that 34% of the 287 inmates in state men’s prisons who applied in 2022 to transfer to its women’s prisons were registered sex offenders...
[W]omen’s groups point out that women are vulnerable...and should not be put at risk in order to protect vulnerable inmates in men’s prisons. Studies in 2016 and 2017 found that nearly 90% of women in American prisons are victims of previous sexual assault.
Besides the risk of violence and sexual assault, critics of "self-reported gender identity" inmate housing policies point to privacy concerns (eg, women sharing showers with male inmates).
Does Hennepin County's new policy strike the right balance between all interests?
I have a feeling this will end badly
I work in a prison and promise that this will end very poorly. Most people don’t know how much of the men’s med/max population have sex charges of some kind, it’s fucking crazy how common it is. A lot of women will get hurt if they fully implement this policy.
Wow screw womens safety , this is dumb asf
Seriously. Hope they have life insurance.
There is no dignity or respect for women when the most psychotic man can be forced onto us. Same for men.
Minnesota is so embarrassing
It really is a great place. If this is the worst you can say about it. Not that bad at all. At least we put our pedophiles in jail.
Yea, male pedos in woman’s prisons. Great job!!
It’s really crazy how far gone we are. To think that you’ll have partisan democrats, who pretend to be reasonable people, defending this as anything other than complete insanity.
It's crazy stuff like this that keeps helping people like Trump get elected
Our entire political landscape has been insane for about a decade now.
Remember the constant chaos during the Biden administration?
Yeah. Me neither.
The "chaos" was stupid bull shit like this. Really dumb stances to take but the damage to the country was quite minimal relative to the current bull shit. But unfortunately stupid stances like this helped get Trump elected. People that were tired of this shit liked that he called out nonsense and were willing to look past a lot of awful stuff because of it.
And yet, liberals are literally defending this ideology.
And then claim GOP are the idiots. You can't make this shit up.
This is a facts and evidence based approach
Can't tell if this is sarcasm
It is not, this is the facts and evidence based approach
Could you refer us to the “facts and evidence”?
Would you apply this policy to rapists or people convicted of domestic violence who transitioned after their arrest?
The facts and the evidence show that putting trans women in male prisons makes them significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted. At the same time putting trans women in women’s prisons does not change the rate of sexual assaults occurring
You’re getting downvoted without anyone actually disputing you, which is hilarious. People are just mad that reality doesn’t back them up.
Putting a trans women in a women’s prison is just statistically better. Although our abhorrent prison system in the U.S. means the rates of assault among every group is just terrible, we do such a shit job compared to every other country.
They didnt cite and sort of evidence while claiming facts and evidence over and over again.
What's hilarious are the facts and evidence in the article talking about what an incredibly high rate of sexual offenders they are. Just say you don’t care if people get raped. It's what you're saying but in fewer words.
Seems like you don’t care about rape since you’re advocating for the system that statistically results in more assaults and rape. Again please provide a source that refutes that this will result in more assaults in prison.
So it is sarcasm?
It’s not sarcasm
I'm still not sure if sarcasm, but we need to separate people in jail by sex organs, otherwise you're gonna end up with pregnant inmates. Don't care what "facts and evidence" says about anything else you think about gender.
Well if you don't want pregnant inmates then women prisons should only be staffed by women.
You do know what the guards do to prisoners, right?
It's not insane at all.
Narrator: it was; in fact, extremely insane.
Never ceases to amaze me that the people most ignorant and uninformed on a given subject will act like they have any clue or any ability to determine what is right. You are talking out of your ass. It is unfortunate that your profound ignorance is so prevalent nowadays.
You don't even attempt to have a conversation. Just insult after insult. You also make extreme assumptions about them just because they MAY have a different opinion than you. What an intellectual.
You are precisely the person I am talking about: a partisan Democrat who pretends they are reasonable why defending a ridiculously absurd position. There is no nuance here.
What is unreasonable about protecting a minority group from sexual abuse? The stats are clear. Transgender people are at an much higher risk for sexual assault and abuse in men's prisons. And they are much less likely to commit such abuses. I'm not saying they have to share a cell with cisgender women. But saying they should be around violent men is insane and incredibly cruel.
“What’s unreasonable about putting men in women’s prisons” the leftist asked while pretending to be reasonable. 😂😅🤣
I guess that's reasonable if you start from a position of "all men are violent".
Who hurt you?
What did they say that was partisan and which party did it support?
I bet if you read through it again, this time carefully, you’ll catch on.
it’s not too late to come back to reality
Let's be real, unless a trans woman was convicted for sexual assault against a woman they are no more a danger to anyone in that prison than any other woman in that prison is. If a trans woman is sent to a male prison on the other hand, there is significant potential for that to practically be a death sentence for them.
Exactly. Trans women in prison are in danger of severe abuse, assault, physical harm, and repeated sexual assault and rape. Anyone who thinks they should be housed with men are fucking psychopaths.
I recognise the point you raise and obviously trans women need special accomodations of some kind within the prison system to ensure their safety.
But this doesn’t have to be and shouldn’t be housing them in a women’s prisons.
Are you saying that the only prisoners that sexually assault other prisoners are people that are in prison for sexual assault
No, that is distinctly not what I am saying. I am, however saying that someone who has committed sexual assault in the past is more likely to reoffend than the average person is to commit to offense for a first time.
Classic cis men are violent rapists argument. You realize your logic contradicts itself?
You're the only one that's saying that.
I will never vote republican because they care even less about women, but at least they aren’t pretending as hard as the democrats 😭
The insanity about this whole thing is assuming CRIMINALS will be acting in good faith. Criminals deserve rehabilitation and they’re not all equal but to think a violent male or a rapist won’t jump at the opportunity to say they’re female is so insane. When did society turn into offering the most dishonest among us the most power. And before all the liberal fukheads start whining “Trump oh look at Trump” yeah you fukhead I didn’t vote for him and hate him. But to be honest I’d rather have him at this point…which is insane to say. But that’s how stupid liberal ideas are becoming.
Except the stats say that doesn’t happen
Do these men in the Shakopee women's prison qualify as women just cause they say so? https://www.house.mn.gov/comm/docs/jzUyyxQNlU261kBUDSWDIw.pdf
You’re saying they’re faking it? Do you have evidence of that?
Faking what? Men can't be women regardless. Some males truly feel they are women, but yes I think men will fake they "identify as women" to get into women's prison. Easy place to voyeur and get off looking at women. Women are familiar with this type of violation. There is no "test" to prove you are "really" a male who is actually a woman. It is all feelings.
Except that in places where this policy exists we don’t see a spike in people claiming to be transgender
5 males in the Shakopee women's prison is enough to recognize this is an issue and a violation of the rights and privacy of the women there. Men of all stripes get off on observing women, particularly women in a vulnerable position. Not only that, but since this issue is kinda recognized, some of these males get to stay in the private rooms which are supposed to be for the women on good bahavior. So that is taken away from them too. Find a different solution for these males.
So in two years there have been a total of 5 cases? And you think this is a violation of their rights and a massive problem despite it going fine and reducing the odds of sexual assault?
Yes, 1 single male in the women's prison is a violation of the women's rights and is a massive problem.
so you are for the rights of illegal immigrants but not for the rights of united states citizens...you know what, never mind...that's your party's entire platform these days of course are going to fight for the rights of illegals over the rights of citizens
Whatever you said in the last comment, I can’t view it. I’m guessing you said something that got it removed
Man, they got you good.
So if a man claims to be a woman he gets put in with the woman no questions asked? Yeah that sounds safe...
Do you honestly believe it would he that easy? Don't be dumb.
Did you not read the article?
They didn't actually post the article. They posted a summary of a title from an article that takes only a few quotes... probably out of context.
Want to bet what they mean by "self reported gender" they mean what's on their Drivers license or whatever documentation there is present. Not going back 30 years to find out what it was on a birth certificate.
If you actually paid attention, you would have noticed the link to the article. So yeah, they provided the source.
Terrible idea. FAAFO.
The first sexual assault on a woman by a man declaring themselves a woman and Hennepin County is going to face a serious lawsuit.
Yeah, that should work out well.
Uhhh how about no??
Endless SA will come from this
Because housing men with women in jail is a great idea. Nothing will go wrong.
Sad to see how clueless the poor people in MN are. Once these mistakes have been made there’s really no fixing them.
Well I guess if I get arrested in Hennepin county I will identify as a female. Wtf is wrong with our government.
This makes sense and the facts and the evidence back it up.
59% of trans women in male prisons will be sexually assaulted while they are there. While 4% of cis male prisoners will be sexually assaulted. Clearly this is problem.
There is zero evidence that trans women sexually assault cis women in women prisons at a higher rate than the average cis woman. For a cisgender female prisoner, the most likely perpetrator of sexual assault is the male corrections officers.
Does anyone have actual evidence that this is a bad thing? Or do you people just hate transgender people and want to see them be sexually assaulted?
House them in there own unit
We don’t have the resources for that
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We are talking some like 20 people a year. You’d be making a jail to house 20 people. It would be an insane waste of resources
They can come up with a unit in a building. For some reason you think it is fine to violate the rights and privacy of the women in the women's prison to house males there (who may or may not have gender dysphoria, but simply claim they are trans) but can't conceive that a separate unit would be best.
Whose rights are being violated?
Which women’s rights are being violated? Women are housed with women, and men housed with men. If you want to bring facts into it (which many of you on this sub don’t) male security officers are actually the biggest threat to women. Almost like cis men are still the problem here, but you would rather use this time to shit on a community that is already dealing with hate from everyone else.
It's not talking about a state prison. MN State does not oversee a county prison.
There aren’t usually county level prisons, those are typically jails (1 year or less sentences)
This makes no sense. But yeah throw out “trans hate” as a pathetic excuse to a dumb policy. You’re going to ask individuals who have just been found guilty of committing a crime to HONESTLY report their gender? What’s going to happen is a shit load of males are going to say they’re female. Like, your whole argument assumes all actors are acting in good faith, which is sadly very naive.
So then show me the statistics of that happening! NYC has been doing this for over 7 years now, California has been doing it for over 5 years now. Your claims have no evidence to back it up.
They backed up their perspective with data. You should do the same. We all have access to the internet. Use it to support your argument. Your current strategy makes you look really bad.
Show your source. Just because I have interment doesn’t mean I should waste my time refuting numbers someone may be just saying to say it.
Show my source for what? I have not taken a side. I never stated my opinion.
If you want to push back against someone, have some facts behind your argument. The guy I’m responding to did not.
It’s you, you’re the problem.
if i was an incarcerated cishet man i would much rather be housed in a female prison.
Except it’s clear that when actually faced with that decision, cis het men don’t make that decision.
i can’t read minds to know who is really trans and who is lying, but it’s cool that you can.
How many men have done what you are claiming will happen?
again, we don’t know
So you’re getting upset about something you don’t know is happening?
What if some of these women are actually space aliens and using flesh suits to study humanity? Surely we should stop them right!
do i seem “upset” to you?
Yes you absolutely do
maybe you’re confusing me with someone else in this thread?
The article is about a trans man who was moved to a women's prison. You're going the wrong direction
What about transgender men in a male housing unit? Do you think they won’t be sexually assaulted? The safest thing is to have people assigned based on their anatomy, with the option of PC or ad-seg if that’s where they feel most comfortable. Placing anyone with a penis in a female unit or a vagina in a male unit is ridiculous.
They don't boot you from this sub for posting contextually-relevant data?
Are female inmates more or less safe after allowing biological male inmates to self-identify as "women" and letting them into women's prisons?
It seems to be the same. There have been no findings of an increase of the rate of sexual assaults after letting trans women into the women’s prisons.
Do you have that evidence?
There are instances of this type of violence already but I don't think anyone knows the rate.
But we do know that males, on average, are stronger and more violent than females. Adding them to a women's prison increases the risks to the relatively more vulnerable females.
Do you have the evidence?
https://justdetention.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/FS-Targets-For-Abuse-Transgender-Inmates-And-Prisoner-Rape.pdf
Numbers and stats mean nothing with out source for where they come from. It’s not on the person you are arguing with to go find your source. So put up the link.
https://justdetention.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/FS-Targets-For-Abuse-Transgender-Inmates-And-Prisoner-Rape.pdf
source: he made it up
https://justdetention.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/FS-Targets-For-Abuse-Transgender-Inmates-And-Prisoner-Rape.pdf
is "Just Detention International" a reliable source, or is it just another DNC funded advocacy group?
It cites the study where the number was gotten from
The study is from 2007? Lmao
Why is that a problem?
Why do you bring statistics and researched numbers into this?!
The people want to be angry because of “trans ideology”!
Allegedly assaulted
Do you want to actually say what you’re trying to say here?
Yes, this is based on a survey of prisoners. That is not a reliable source of data
How is it not reliable?
The comparison is between what cis prisoners report and what trans prisoners report. They are all prisoners. Why would one group be more prone to lying than the other?
So why is this survey unreliable? You just saying it’s unreeliable doesn’t make it true
Transgender people experience sexual violence at rates far higher than cis people outside prison, too. If you want to claim that this is somehow less true inside prison, I'd say the burden of proof is on you.
Boy you think kids are fucked now, wait until the cats, lions, and dogs start to have kids ufff.
What could go wrong? lol
No. It does not strike a balance. It again follows the leftist position of allowing the vocal advocacy groups for a small minority of the population override the interests of everyone else.
This is a facts and evidence based approach. It absolutely strikes a balance.
not even a little bit
How does it not?
False. It does not strike a balance as it gives everything a small portion of the population is demanding with zero consideration of anybody else.
How does it give everything to them?
It is self explanatory. They are getting exactly what they want (using the self-declared gender with zero evidence to select where they are housed) and the concerns and wants of others are ignored.
That is just false. You didn’t even read the policy. Other concerns and wants are taken into account and can override self identification
Perhaps you can provide a link to what you are claiming I did not read. I have not found anything that would give equal weight or even any significant weight to the concerns and wants of the other inmates over a person's self-identification without proof.
It’s in the article linked in the post
Perhaps you can provide some more direction. I read the linked articles and do not see anything that would provide a detailed policy. I also searched the sites for the Hennepin County Jail and performed broader internet searches and found nothing that would support the claims that concerns and wants of other prisoners would override the wants of a person based on self-identified gender.
https://policy.doc.mn.gov/DOCPolicy/PolicyDoc?name=202.045.pdf
You guys realize that the statistics say they are over 10x more likely to be raped in a men's prison than commit violence in a women's prison, right? Or do you all just talk directly out of the colon
If I’m reading your comment correctly, you’re saying we should let self-described trans women, male to female, into women’s prison because men’s prison would be too violent? Are you aware that sending MTF to women’s prison ends up with women raped? If you don’t believe me, you should look into the MTF that were sent to SHK and had to be moved back to men’s prison because they were having sex with the women.
Could you site some sources backing up what you’re saying?
Can you give the statistics? We know for a fact that trans women are significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted in a male prison. What are the statistics behind how dangerous putting trans women in women’s prisons are?
Firstly, I'm saying that there is a far higher risk of those inmates being assaulted and murdered in men's prison than there is that they assault anyone in a women's prison. This has been proven to be the truth over and over again. Second, were they moved back because they were assaulting women, or just having sex?
Also, there is no other kind of trans woman other than self described, you think the state labels them?
I 100% agree with you, we should put women at risk because the trans women might be at higher risk of violence. It is definitely okay to shift the burden to women instead of idk solving the fucking problem in the first place...? If we had a separate place for these people theoretically nobody would be at risk except the feelings of the people that got separated.
I really tried to steel man your argument here but fucking Christ it was just so stupid I gave up half way. Fuck your virtue signaling.
I mean I prefer reform to all other options but thats not what we're discussing. The reality is, having them stay in men's prisons is just statistically more likely to cause more harm and damage then shifting them to women's prisons would. That is the reality of the data we have. Im not virtue signaling, im being honest.
Even if that's true, that's the stat for "real" trans people as opposed to "anyone who says they're trans"
So you think people in men's prison would tolerate abuse and murder rates above the majority of other inmates by pretending to be trans just in case something like this happens? You realize how insanely unlikely that is?
Well I'm pretty sure the main legitimate worry is that non-trans men would try to get into women's prisons, not that non-trans women would try to get into men's prisons. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment.
Males will say they are women so they can be housed in the women's prison. Already several in Shakopee women's prison. https://www.house.mn.gov/comm/docs/jzUyyxQNlU261kBUDSWDIw.pdf
So, a handful of women were not assaulted, but made uncomfortable, because the person In question didn't get any surgery or hormones.. in prison? A place notoriously difficult to get elective surgery in? Nothing in this report says anything about pretending, or causing problems, or hurting anyone. Did you even read the source you sent me?
Women shouldn't have to be housed with men. Full stop
Okay so once your point is made totally invalid you retreat into rhetoric. Im guessing you just believe trans women in general are men, then?
By definition they are males who "identify as women". There is no test to prove they are in any way different from males who don't identify as women. They are males.
Hey Mary! Move to San Fran. You suck!
I’m a girl, put me with them
Sorry, their block is full. Can we house you with xem instead?
Hey, folks against the new policy: read the fucking article and realize that the policy you support could put a bearded trans dude with a cock in the women’s prison. The lawsuit was literally about a trans man who was placed against his will in a women’s prison. Sit with that for a minute before being so glib.
Note that officials still have leeway here, it may be the primary but it is not the only consideration. They aren’t going to simply take the inmate’s word for it when some dudebro claims to be a woman.
Important here -- this is literally about jail, NOT prison.
Like most county jails are coed simply because they're tiny. If people were actually worried about males and females being housed together they should probably start with the thousands across the country in local jails instead of the handful of trans people in Hennepin county jail.
That’s not how jails work. It may be one facility, but men and women aren’t housed together. They are very much separated by gender.
The legal expectation is that men and women aren't houses in the same cell, but in reality it's extremely common. I cited this Itasca inspection report earlier:
https://mn.gov/doc/assets/Itasca%20County%20Jail_2022_tcm1089-594778.pdf
But I also know two separate instances of women I know being housed with males for a weekend after a DUI in Hennepin county and Morrison county.
I’ve been in law enforcement for 18 years and have never heard of this happening in my state.
Good point, yes, this is actually about jail not prison. And as you say most smaller jails have a single facility where all genders are kept. Which makes the right wing pearl clutching about this even more absurd. Are they going to start vigorously advocating for all of those small county jails to build new duplicate facilities so they don't have to do that? I'm not holding my breath.
It's already the policy in prisons in MN, that is why there are about 5 males (who "identify" as women) in the Shakopee women's prison.
Im sick of the weak mental stability of a tiny % of people fuck with the rest of us. Its with everything
This says this was from a 2023 study. So what is the information regarding this from the last 2 years?
This sounds like a recipe for the next prison riot. Prob not going to end well. Odds are said inmates will have to be housed in protective custody(locked in a cell for 23 hours a day). They'll never survive in general population. I am a heterosexual individual that has previously spent time inside and speaking from personal experience by witnessing the not-so-appropriate response from the remaining 97%(who all rapidly assimilate) together. Yes, stuff that you'll see on the evening news.
This would literally require a 1:1 ratio(inmate:correctional officer), which would never happen. They don't have the resources. The wizard of smart who thought this to be a solution, should spend 1 day in the trenches; and then be discharged. Idiocracy.
Now we need four different jails/prisons. One for men, one for women, one for trans men, and one for trans women. More can be added if necessary.
I self identify as a lesbian.
What fucking planet are we living on where someone with the power that be thought this would be a great idea?
If I were ever to have to go to prison, I would 100% be ok with sharing a cell with a trans woman. They are statistically less likely to be a danger. Besides, trans women ARE women.
wtf are we doing
Good. With the current administration ending rape protections to trans people, we should make sure they don't get harmed.
To all the people who think that trans women are going to rape all the women, you do realize that:
Cisgender women can be rapists too
Trans women have around a 50% chance of getting raped in prison.
Sources:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/04/nx-s1-5630490/prison-doj-safety-memo-changes-trans-lgbtq-inmates
Dumb. Get ready for lots of pregnant female inmates, for whom all sorts of special taxpayer provided conditions will have to be offered.
You people have wild and creepy imaginations.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/trans-inmate-transferred-moved-from-womens-prison-after-impregnating-2-report-says-transgender-prison-new-jersey-edna-mahan-demi-minor
So it happened once 3 years ago, therefore we should permanently put all trans prisoners in danger in men's prisons. Seems irrational.
Way more then once your just choosing ignorance
Has zero to do with imagination it’s a matter of historical fact, look at the record in California.
The sheer amount of bigotry and hate in this sub always depresses me.
This approach has been shown to be the safest for inmates, but a shocking number of people here believe that being raped is an acceptable additional outcome of being put in prison.
It’s also been proven that the brains of trans people match the sex they identify with, rather than assigned at birth. These people have no real arguments based in science, they just wanna get thumbs up and karma farm with their bigot buddies.
MAGA is so easily triggered.
Sorry that you think sending men into women's prisons is ok. You must be really proud of yourself
Go and research the facts. Look at the rate of sexual assaults.
Think you can do that on your own?
This article was literally about a trans man.
Is Hennepin county gonna give them Viagra and condoms too?
Rightoid brain rot in full force on this one. Jail != Prison.
The number of people this applies to is... Vanishingly small. It's very difficult to collect this data, but the Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated there were ~1800 total transgender per year in all local jails in the country. 1800/50 is 36. We're talking about a double digits number of people per year this could feasibly be relevant to.
Beyond this -- where's the uproar about coed local jails all over the country? What is your minimum expectation of separation in a local jail? HCO is huge and can support two separate facilities, but I promise you that fucking Morrison and Itasca counties aren't even separating men and women into different cells. We have inspections that show this, but it's obvious when you consider that these jails have like 50-100 beds total.
Tl;dr: if you were really worried about males and females sharing a cell in jail, you'd be way more pissed off about how common this is in local county jails all over the country instead of the handful of trans people who could request a facility change in Hennepin county. This is obviously just an opportunity to rant culture war bullshit about trans people.
https://mn.gov/doc/assets/Itasca%20County%20Jail_2022_tcm1089-594778.pdf
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri1112_st.pdf
I really don't understand why y'all care so much
Lmao imagine taking a study like this seriously
Prostitution is the primary sex offense trans women are in prisons for.
The reason why transphobes don't drill down is because it's easier to fear monger when you misrepresent the stats.