FYI - I have had to remove the comments from a bunch of very suspicious accounts who descended on this specific post. All of these accounts had never participated in this or similar subreddits and all decided today was the day to say “grifters gonna grift” or “trust me bro”. Think about why this would happen on this post specifically. Some of these accounts are 17 years old and haven’t posted in 13 years.
They don't want you to pursue a career in science. They want you to work in a factory or an office doing menial labor that ultimately won't benefit anyone.
I’m hoping AI will take over my job so that I can go do this. Need to find that sweet spot of using AI to make a bunch of money before it does that though, and become independently wealthy. Also need to avoid shooting myself in the back and falling out a 5 story window when I get too far into the subject
They don’t want you to actually pursue things to fulfil purpose or better humanity. They want us kept in a box to squeeze us dry, and show us a screen of reality. The Wizard of Oz is behind that screen.
If and I mean if we did this,it has done the planet zero good. No benefit whatsoever. The greediest, ugliest narcissists are elected to make the laws and rule over the masses. We don't elect scholars and PHD to higher office. Why is that exactly? Is it because they are ''smarter'' than us and have no real world experience? Why do we elect lawyers and business men instead of academics and humanitarians? Really why?
Possibility A) it’s an alien scheme to keep control over us so that they can harvest us to collect our dna because we’re special containers and the aliens cloned themselves into virtual sterility and need our diverse genetics to keep their species alive. This is comfortable because obviously I am special and also I know the secret truth that others do not making me even more special.
Possibility B) lawyers and businessmen are better at selling and storytelling and constantly trick us into believing they know better than we do, while scientists and scholars don’t have the same charisma and shark instinct to buzz us up and pounce on us. This is uncomfortable because it means I am gullible and not special and it’s kinda my fault these guys keep fleecing me.
Therefore, I choose A, and I will continue to not vote in my best interests because the system is a scam, so I will believe any story that confirms the obvious truth that I am special.
Also, aligned with your first point we assume that they are benevolent and chances are that NHI may have goals that don’t align with our morals or well being.
Um, there are a ton of elected reps with a college degree, and advanced degrees, which includes American Presidents (remember that a JD is at the same level as a Ph.D.). ...and that's just in the US!
Indeed, charisma is a key factor for being elected (amongst other qualities, such as populism), but let's not discount the data here.
Paul Hellyer the former defence minister of Canada 🇨🇦 And a federal leadership candidate says there are four species of aliens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
It’s interesting that some experiencers and famous channelers claim they can communicate directly with NHI, whenever they want. And without “a highly sophisticated direct and structured process in a secretive and secure lab.”
In either case, we’ll never know if it’s true. Who can you believe, the government or the experiencer/channeler? There’s always a book to read or a channeler event to attend I suppose.
It’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole disclosure agenda is really in the hands of ‘them.’ Whoever they are.
Disclosure coming from anyone on the human side of the equation is always messy, obscure, and requires a profit margin.
Or maybe it’s in the hands of us? Not the US government but each individual person. I’m starting to think that consciousness is central to this whole alien/NHI thing and we all have a consciousness.
Boom, both the nature of NHI, where they come from, their technology and what perhaps is delaying disclosure…all has to do with our current understanding of consciousness and our development therein!
It’s kinda the cutting edge where several of our most frontier technologies are getting stalled…Quantum Physics, AI, Biology/Psychology…so the moment we understand NHI, we will have a greater understanding of those other subjects and vice versa.
I'm an experiencer and I don't create content or sell anything.
The general message I've been receiving keeps repeating and it's that "we're talking to ALL of you right now, and we're talking to each person in the form that makes sense to them."
Thus, it's likely you're already receiving communication, you just have been brushing it off or haven't recognized it for what it is yet (and it might not even matter that you don't recognize it). It can be in your dreams, in your thoughts or intuition, via a person saying something to you (even better if multiple disconnected people say the same thing to you), through a string of events that do not make sense, strange data, a noticeable experience in nature, etc. ANYTHING.
The point is that the thing is talking to YOU in a language you understand, it doesn't matter if anyone else experiences it with you or agrees. My guess is that it will take the form of something uncanny, something that makes you go, "huh." It also may be something that gets shoved into your face because you have been refusing to deal with it.
If they have something they really need to tell you, they will make sure you get the message. Otherwise just keep tuning into your intuition and going with the flow. Face what you need to face, do the work you need to do, and be your beautiful, spontaneous, and unique self.
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Some examples from my own life in case they help:
A series of strange and disconnected events converged at a single point in time, which pushed me to learn about astrology and then tarot, neither of which I had ever been interested in.
Seeing the legitimacy of tarot specifically cracked open my mind in 100 ways (bolt of lightning to the head), and allowed for clear communication with NHI.
Bullshit, right? But I think that's why the NHI used it. Tarot is a real-time manipulation of physical objects that violates probability theory as well as our general understanding of physics on the human scale. It also uses symbols to communicate, which means it functions independent of language.
The NHI seemed to have used tarot as a doorway, and have since encouraged me not to depend on tarot or anything material.
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Some main stuff I was forced to face:
Do you understand that love does not hurt? Life is not fair, but love does not hurt.
Do you recognize that you do not have to earn love? Can you sit there and do nothing, be unproductive, be useless, and still love yourself just the same?
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A few general things that are difficult to comprehend but seem important:
It seems to me that the love is unconditional. No matter how naughty you've been there's a road back. We are all so loved, it is impossible to express.
Time matters much less than we think, or it functions in a different way than we (Westerners) assume.
If you have to learn a lesson it may be stretched out over time, and part of the lesson is withstanding the delay, devaluing the time.
Similarly, you may receive a piece of information that in a single instant transforms your life, and usually that instant is unforeseen.
Right, it's a combination of pulling cards and paying attention to your mind/ thoughts/ intuition. The symbols on the cards somehow communicate stuff to you, and sometimes your mind receives additional detail like, "in this case the 7 of cups is moving, the options are variable over time" or "in this case the 7 of cups represents an impenetrable wall of illusion." It can also be that an image will flash into your mind to adjust the meaning of the cards a bit.
How is that happening? I have literally no idea, it's a mystery. I'm just trying to do my part of the "job" the best I can. ;)
I don’t believe Tarot in any way on its own to do anything. Tarot is simply a tool, just like a pair of dice, or a pack of regular playing cards, or a bag of tickets choosing one randomly.
These ‘divination’ tools are not divine instruments tapping into perfect powers. They are simply clumsy tools that allow the user (and some other unknown force) to subtly subconsciously influence. If the universe, god, aliens, angels, whatever exists only communicates to us via odd but not impossible phenomena (because anything impossible would likely induce psychosis rather than getting a message across), then it stands to reason that putting yourself in a position to give them something ‘random’ to influence would be a great way to receive these communications.
Being open and receptive to the interpretations puts you in a place to hear it.
No answer given is ever physics law breaking. But often they are just relevant enough to make you go “huh”. And it happens often enough to not feel like a coincidence or placebo. And eventually you want to convince and show others this truly amazing thing that works for you. But, until they try on their own, they likely won’t believe.
So I suggest people try using divination tools if they wish to receive communication. If consciousness is the gateway to communication, there will either be those open to the idea, and those not. Only those open may experience what they wish.
I get what you're saying but it's such a complex message!
Like you said, you're basically throwing sticks or rocks or whatever thing. It's by throwing the sticks - creating the randomness - that you allow for the NHI to affect it.
You're using chaos to allow for ordering, and it's the ordering which you can then perceive.
On its face it sounds ridiculous, and that's why you have to experience it for yourself. It's insane until it's not, then it becomes a physics puzzle.
No answer given is ever physics law breaking.
I am not well-trained in physics, but things like tarot appear to absolutely violate the laws of physics that most of us assume operate on the human scale, seemingly easily.
In my opinion, tarot is an especially interesting case because each card contains multiple symbols, and the 78 cards can be combined in all sorts of ways, creating theoretically infinite possibilities in terms of what's communicated. It's high-complexity, but often the resulting messages are simple. How? It's a whole different piece of the puzzle.
I agree with you actually, which is why I think the NHI used it.
Just like most people, I would've brushed off every subtle signal, so they showed me something I couldn't ignore, which was the real-time manipulation of material objects in a manner that defies probability theory as well as general understanding of physics on the human scale.
Basically the NHI blew my fucking brain out of my head and were like, "yeah so everything you think about how this all works? It's not like that."
They already channeled a very detailed collective mind of aliens in the 1980s. It's called the Ra Material. Free disclosure has been available for a long time, if you want to take it at face value.
There are recordings of the channelings you can listen to. You are welcome to think its a larp, that's fine. But if you listen to it and/or read it you'll quickly realize how difficult it would be to make up details like this in 100+ sessions. The detail of information far surpasses any other channelings I've read.
100% accuate information? Maybe not, since it is somewhat distorted through the filter of the channeler themselves. That's always going to be the case. But once you understand what consciousness is (a foundational reality, not a creation of the brain), you'll know not all channeling is larping.
I'd honestly like to see someone try to make up something as detailed as this. I couldn't do it, that's for sure. Use your own discernment, and don't take my word for it.
“Based on people he spoke with”. He didn’t do it and has again revealed nothing. The talking heads need to start being held accountable in this space.
Does no one find it odd he’s said all he can say he knows but every time a new book cycle starts he suddenly knows more from 20 years ago that he swore he didn’t know just 1 year ago?
He’s got more time with boots on the ground investigations into the phenomenon then you have been alive. He donated his archives to the Archives of the Impossible. What the fuck do you really want? He has single handedly kept this topic alive during all the dark times - that I was alive for - in the 70’s - 2000’s. Literally even speaking in front of the UN
The argument against “books being written” so so beyond low effort that people like you need to be challenged. How else is information supposed to be disseminated - when the topic is subjected to an actual and verifiable manufactured taboo because the government doesn’t want you to know or talk about this at all?
Debate the claims and do not make ad hominem attacks. How about that?
Also I have had to remove a bunch of comments from this particular thread with extremely suspicious accounts that have never commented on this topic once in their entire history - just to make a “grifters gonna grift” comment. Seems like this interview hit a nerve with the breakaway civilization. Merry Christmas.
I say Good Show! There’s a reason most debunkers just can’t touch Valle. He’s meticulous, he’s thorough, he’s reasoned, and he doesn’t talk down to the reader. I’m not saying, I agree with everything he has written, but nobody is more thoroughly knowledgeable on the subject than he.
vallee has done more than anyone in the scene, he's the godfather of ufology, but yet he still doesn't know what's going on. there are mystics and channellers that know more than him. you don't have to rely on people like vallee. you can find the truth on your own.
You have no idea my age or experience, so it seems odd to go that route, but yes, he is a very old man. I’m not sure how his being an old man lends credibility, but it’s an opinion.
He donated his archives. That’s nice, he does do science work and mostly just investing with people like Nazi Peter Thiel, so his records I’m sure are interesting. I’m not sure how his doing that means anything he says is true or profound, but again it’s just an opinion.
I’m not anti book, nor did my message say I was. I said when he needs to sell a new book, he suddenly “remember” or is “allowed” to say something that happened decades ago that he the year before swore he didn’t know. Books are a great long form narrative, and have value.
My answer to how should that information get out, is to stop being vague and TELL people what you actually know. YouTube is free for everyone to make and use, say what you know if it is truly important and people will watch and then, know.
I never called him or used the word “grifter” and I don’t ever because that adds nothing. I do think and agree with you that the government created an artificial taboo around the topic. I think people like Vallee feed into it by being vague and pseudo mystical about everything instead of truthful and that actually does a disservice to the topic.
I’m a believer, and I’ve seen things I can’t explain. It’s why I follow and am passionate about the topic. I want people coming forward, genuine people, with knowledge who don’t parrot whatever the DoD tells them to say and then just makes money of the UAP circuit saying the same vague three things and then going away with nothing achieved. I want disclosure, and I want real, brave people to come forward with what they truly know.
Dude I set up the Anomalous Coalition interviews and when the question came up asking him about his involvement either Peter Thiel did not shy away from answering the question. In his defense - where do you think funding for research comes from? The government is hiding this topic from us. Corporations like Lockheed Martin keep the research for themselves - the only choice is to go to private people with billions of dollars. Tell me one billionaire who doesn’t have a questionable background! They all suck but literally Jacques is at least trying to keep pushing this topic forward.
Also - when you are public like this the IC absolutely will try to ruin your life. He has been able to survive because he has been vague but leaves a LOT of breadcrumbs - look at his Forbidden Science books for example. You are getting it wrong if you think HE is parroting the DoD - I have spoken to him multiple times and he literally knows that they have their own agenda and that disclosure is going to be “a mess” because of all of the implications.
This is one of his most forward interviews. He has been trying to tell you for decades that the woo is an intrinsic part of this and the government literally is trying to control the narratives. We are dealing with a very powerful national security state - and likely a breakaway civilization in the middle of that - that will use carrots at first to get you to shut up and then follow that up with sticks. Think about this. How do you survive trying to let people know about the history of this topic with THAT going on. We owe Jacques a debt of gratitude about all he had done.
I’m an experiencer and just kind of done with the argument that somehow the writing a book gives you some kind of “F You” money on a highly marginalized topic.
Also - my added comment about grifting was not directed towards you - you can’t see it but multiple suspicious accounts latched onto your comment - accounts that literally never posted on this topic before in their years long history - just to say “grifters gonna grift”. Think about this.
This is a public comment I made about my time as a mod of r/ufos and the 4 years I have been a mod of these subreddits. If they are doing this in social media guess what they do to people in real life.
people are so annoying with the “they just want out money!!!” comments. it’s like these people are keeping this subject alive and doing way more for the subject than all us keyboard warriors. i’m so tired of the automatic dismissal just because they’re trying to make a buck for their efforts.
these comments are always upvoted to the top of these type of posts and people need to understand it’s a lot more nuanced than “every single person that writes a book on the subject is lying and just wants out money”. i doubt there is THAT much money to be made from the UFO community
I agree that all billionaires are shifty and scummy. I knew he didn’t hide it either but my issue comes with his involvement with him at all. There are normal scum billionaires then there’s nazi billionaires. That aside, telling the truth doesn’t require a billionaire backer.
Yes the government and corps are keeping it hidden, but they need workers, and they probably have hundreds to thousands of workers. Can’t one person just spill the beans with receipts?
I also understand the breadcrumb perspective but ultimately isn’t that a free pass to make any vague statement and later claim it was what was just revealed? I can see both sides of that perspective, and while both are possible, it is still just a judgement call, imo.
I am not anti-woo and I’m open to that side of it. My issue with woo though is it’s even more impossible to verify and judge then nut and bolts so the space is wild and everywhere. It just again creates this layer of silliness that feeds the taboo.
Apologies about the G thing, and I have no doubt paid bots are active on sites like these. And I’m sure they are from more then just the USA helping to sow discord and cause trouble rather then unify and bring us together.
I also wish Reddit was like it used to be where people could talk, and maybe they have different views, but it didn’t mean you were scum and disregarded. Different opinions make the world interesting, as long as they aren’t based in hate and fear.
Thank you for the good conversation here. Did you watch this interview? It’s because of Vallee that is experiencers have a method of being able to talk to regular people about this topic. Without books like Passport to Magonia and Dimensions we wouldn’t have a way to look at our experiences - because the government and science have let us all down.
He has survived to continue to talk and has repeatedly given us a way to talk about the woo, the science that is going on around the woo, the history and the government involvement. This interview also addresses a number of questions the community has about what the government knows - he’s clearly saying “they don’t know what the phenomenon is - they are reacting to it and they may be having different experiences with it then civilians have”.
I think realistically you are frustrated that he and others aren’t just coming right out with it. But as it said - there’s still a significant group out there with a lot of power to ruin lives that we collectively need to get around. I think the main thing that we need to acknowledge here is that ufo secrecy actually bleeds into a larger social engineering effort that has been ongoing for decades and acknowledging the lies and secrecy around UFO’s leads to the inevitable conclusion that there’s a much larger issue with our government and democracy. I encourage you to watch the documentary The Century of the Self - it originally aired on the BBC 25 years ago and shows that for the last 100 years first corporations and then governments have been using cutting edge psychological techniques in conjunction with the mass media and advertising industries to socially engineer their populations. This is why Matthew Brown said “we are living in a dream”. We are awash in propaganda.
Now contrast that with this short documentary about the 100% manufactured social taboo called The UFO Stigma. This was created by the CIA on behalf of the Air Force with the help of (you guessed it) academic psychologists, the mass media and the advertising industry. People did not have a negative view of the paranormal or UFO’s before this. It’s a powerful lesson about propaganda. Something to think about as an experiencer about why you can’t share your experiences with friends and family.
There needs to be a balance shown from your differing perspectives from “insiders”, I think. A vast majority are claims without any specificity coupled with “I was told but can’t tell you”. The repeated teasing pattern just inevitably gets very old.
Jacques has written some very compelling books and has been a part of government research for decades. He’s a trove of information relating to this subject and has made an everlasting footprint within the field.
But I don’t think it excludes him from criticism. From what we’ve heard within UFO lore over the decades, what he’s saying doesn’t necessarily contradict certain things but it opens the door for many follow-up questions. Perhaps a willingness to discuss it more in-depth would be beneficial.
Claims without any specificity or verifiable data of any kind, regardless of who they come from, are just a tired old tale at this point.
This is why he agreed to do the Anomalous Coalition with us and will be doing another one in the future.
Did you watch this interview? He’s talking about specific cases. Just like he did in the Anomalous coalition interview even announcing a new white paper that was published in a journal (its in the first 15 min of this video) . It’s not his fault that there seems to be a huge amount of people that are unaware of his contributions to the topic or that he is even still trying to push the ball forward. He has said multiple times - and the reasons that he left his archive to Rice University and the Archives of the Impossible - is that he understands that future scientists may be able to take his research and build upon it. That’s what science does.
Specific cases is cool but (imo of course, not speaking for everyone), I’m more concerned and interested with the Govt side of the house than the experiencers right now. And I don’t mean to disparage or discredit them by saying that. If we want to understand and get to disclosure, whatever that may mean, stakeholders need to be held accountable and exposed.
I don’t disagree that Jacques is a legend and has earned it through hard work. His donations are a class act. But still doesn’t change the feeling of being left short of any kind of answer whether one in totality or via direction.
George Knapp (on record) and Richard Dolan may be the only people in recent history who have name dropped not only a company but stakeholder in the game. I find that bothersome and equally as compelling. Surely Vallee, a researcher, can point us in a solid direction? Even in his discussions with Pasulka, according to her, seemed guarded and lacking “answers”.
Did you watch the interview? They devoted a good 20 min to the secrecy as part of the conversation. It was compelling. He talks about the actual business of Silicon Valley and the culture of being able to get funding and the need to be trustworthy by not blabbing classified information. There’s a direct correlation there and he’s telling you why he isn’t being direct.
Also - I really suspect that in the archives he donated to the Archives of the Impossible he does name names. He made a stipulation they couldn’t begin to be released until 10 years had passed. The very first part of the archives will be made available next year but it will take 10 years for all of it to be available. It’s clear he expected to be dead when it was finally all published.
Have you ever read his books? He worked directly with Dr J Alan Hynek. The French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind is literally based on him. He actually did do a LOT of investigations such as Betty and Barney Hill, and tons of accounts in Brazil such as Colares which no one here would even know about if it wasn’t for him.
I would contend with this issue by replying: ‘how can you possibly say all you can say when you have researching an issue for 50+ years, and catalogued tens of thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of cases’. This man is the closest thing we have to being an expert in this field. It would be foolish not to respect and listen to everything he has to say. New ideas culminate over time. His views are always valuable on this topic.
There's a complete lack of accountability in the NHI disclosure space, and it's really damaging both in terms of finding the truth and reputation of the topic. Hell, there are subreddits on here that will flat out ban you if you post something critical like your comment. It's insane.
I’m banned for 7 days from UFO’s for this exact comment, to your point. The mods there ban people all the time for saying anything against the “talking heads” that funnel most of the information out like Vallee, Corbell, Knapp, etc. That sub has real control and censorship problems from their mods. It wouldn’t surprise me if they had government mods there as well.
100%. There are subs like that where there's a rule that you cannot post anything remotely skeptical or challenging claims of posters and the talking heads. You think about that for a minute and what it means: you must accept anything that is said without question. Who does that benefit? Definitely not anyone legitimately interested in a difficult and slippery topic like NHI.
Vallee is no different than Grusch, is no different than Elizondo, is no different than Lazar... Everything these dudes have wouldn't even hold up in court, as it's just hearsay.
As it's been said before: 'Either your holdin', or you can move the f*** on.'
"The talking heads need to start being held accountable in this space."
People need to just stop listening to them. Stop talking about them, stop posting about them stop watching interviews with them, or podcasts or books or whatever. Even the people that hate them and think they are dumb still watch their podcasts. They don't give a shit if you believe them or not, you add revenue money spends just the same.
Perhaps Vallee is not a talking head at all but has actually travelled to do in person investigations for decades. It’s seriously perplexing to hear people like you talk and not understand this at all. He worked directly with J Alan Hynek assisting with Project Blue book - making the very first database for sightings at a time when computers took up a whole floor of an office building.
He was the model for the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
He went to Brazil in the late 70’s through the 80’a and we know about the extraordinary sightings and events at places like Colares because of him.
Literally more “boots on the ground” investigations than you’ve literally been alive. He spoke in front of the UN about this topic.
So it’s extremely strange to hear this specific kind of comment about him as if you don’t understand he actually investigated thousands of events AND worked in NIDS/BAASS and then AAWSAP in the 2000’s.
And after all those years of investigations and talking to the UN and being in Hollywood movies and boots on the ground longer than I've been alive he and I have both produced the same amount of verifiable evidence. He is a "talking head" because for one reason or another that's all he has been able to do. He talked to witnesses, he talked to insiders, he talked to the UN, he talked to movie makers and he has talked to us. What is perplexing is that people like you continue to list off the resumes of people as evidence that they are right as opposed to any actual verifiable evidence they have produced.
Just because they are talking heads doesn't prove they are wrong but it definitely doesn't mean they are right. That's the problem with all of them. Nobody has anything we can check to see if they are right. People say they have a really good excuse on why they can't prove what they say which may be true but it doesn't matter. Just because you have a good excuse why you can't prove you are right doesn't mean you are right.
This is a bad faith argument. Why? Because you are equating a person who has done everything I have laid out that we know objectively to be true - astrophysics degree, computer scientist, helped invent the actual internet, wrote more then 10 books on the topic, investigated many many classic encounters, worked with J Alan Hynek, wrote a LOT of white papers, etc and so on
a person who gives information or opinions on a television show and whose head and shoulders are shown on the television screen
Your whole argument is that because he appears on a podcast that this invalidates all of the other things he has actually done to move this topic forward.
Literally he has given voice and some kind of meaning to millions of experiencers world wide who are left bewildered by science and government who refuse to take the topic seriously because of the actual manufactured social taboo.
So either debate the claims without having to resort to bad faith arguments or perhaps don’t debate at all.
I agree with that premise, but they are ever present in every space that discusses this. How can we avoid them? They dominate the entire spaces opinions and mood. The influencers in this space control the space.
By not doing what we are doing and engaging in conversations about them. We drive just as many clicks as the people who are true believers. Personally I just don't watch any of their stuff anymore and try to consume as little about what they put out as I can. If the day ever comes where one of them actually produces something tangible I'll still hear about it then I will gladly eat my hat.
Rule 5 - Your comment/post was removed due to it being a low-effort and toxic remark about a public figure. There are plenty of other subs for this type of engagement. This is not one of them.
Because these people need to stop the vagueness that only serves to promote themselves and actually say something. I used to think Vallee was “one of the good ones” but he keeps saying stuff like this.
Jacques Vallée is a very trustworthy person. His extensive research extends decades and was there from the beginning of it all. We need more minds like his in this field.
Rule 5 - Your comment/post was removed due to it being a low-effort and toxic remark about a public figure. There are plenty of other subs for this type of engagement. This is not one of them.
Believe it or not, this is not all that highly sophisticated as you would think. Otherworldly technology, is yes. Virtually anyone who is prepared and willing to accept the reality can actually access this line of communication for themselves though, no equipment required.
Do you know who Jacques Vallee even is? This is such a low effort and frankly ignorant comment. He literally created not one but two databases for two different well known government programs for sightings - Project Blue Book in the 60’s and AAWSAP in the 2000’s. He’s had more boots on the ground time investigating accounts first hand then you have been alive.
True story. I was there at the round table. We had an alien translator but was human. I cant name drop but she is here living today. Soon very soon 07/07/2027
FYI - I have had to remove the comments from a bunch of very suspicious accounts who descended on this specific post. All of these accounts had never participated in this or similar subreddits and all decided today was the day to say “grifters gonna grift” or “trust me bro”. Think about why this would happen on this post specifically. Some of these accounts are 17 years old and haven’t posted in 13 years.
Here’s a comment I made about activity like this in the past
Here’s a link directly to Vallee’s interview with Corbell and Knapp on the Weaponized podcast.
What's sad is, how many people would be super hyped to pursue a career in science if we knew there were NHIs to talk to out there?
I'd quit my job and change my college Major.
This is the reason they don't want it to come out. Hard to keep the proles in line when they have something worth dreaming about.
They don't want you to pursue a career in science. They want you to work in a factory or an office doing menial labor that ultimately won't benefit anyone.
I’m hoping AI will take over my job so that I can go do this. Need to find that sweet spot of using AI to make a bunch of money before it does that though, and become independently wealthy. Also need to avoid shooting myself in the back and falling out a 5 story window when I get too far into the subject
They don’t want you to actually pursue things to fulfil purpose or better humanity. They want us kept in a box to squeeze us dry, and show us a screen of reality. The Wizard of Oz is behind that screen.
If and I mean if we did this,it has done the planet zero good. No benefit whatsoever. The greediest, ugliest narcissists are elected to make the laws and rule over the masses. We don't elect scholars and PHD to higher office. Why is that exactly? Is it because they are ''smarter'' than us and have no real world experience? Why do we elect lawyers and business men instead of academics and humanitarians? Really why?
Possibility A) it’s an alien scheme to keep control over us so that they can harvest us to collect our dna because we’re special containers and the aliens cloned themselves into virtual sterility and need our diverse genetics to keep their species alive. This is comfortable because obviously I am special and also I know the secret truth that others do not making me even more special.
Possibility B) lawyers and businessmen are better at selling and storytelling and constantly trick us into believing they know better than we do, while scientists and scholars don’t have the same charisma and shark instinct to buzz us up and pounce on us. This is uncomfortable because it means I am gullible and not special and it’s kinda my fault these guys keep fleecing me.
Therefore, I choose A, and I will continue to not vote in my best interests because the system is a scam, so I will believe any story that confirms the obvious truth that I am special.
I think it’s something like that, anyway.
Also, aligned with your first point we assume that they are benevolent and chances are that NHI may have goals that don’t align with our morals or well being.
Also, a lot of people are straight up gullible and stupid
Academics are corrupted too
Um, there are a ton of elected reps with a college degree, and advanced degrees, which includes American Presidents (remember that a JD is at the same level as a Ph.D.). ...and that's just in the US!
Indeed, charisma is a key factor for being elected (amongst other qualities, such as populism), but let's not discount the data here.
Is this the dark answer everyone is talking about? We talked with them at length and it didn’t do us any good.
Paul Hellyer the former defence minister of Canada 🇨🇦 And a federal leadership candidate says there are four species of aliens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
What are the species ? It doesn't say on the Wikipedia
It’s interesting that some experiencers and famous channelers claim they can communicate directly with NHI, whenever they want. And without “a highly sophisticated direct and structured process in a secretive and secure lab.”
In either case, we’ll never know if it’s true. Who can you believe, the government or the experiencer/channeler? There’s always a book to read or a channeler event to attend I suppose.
It’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole disclosure agenda is really in the hands of ‘them.’ Whoever they are.
Disclosure coming from anyone on the human side of the equation is always messy, obscure, and requires a profit margin.
Or maybe it’s in the hands of us? Not the US government but each individual person. I’m starting to think that consciousness is central to this whole alien/NHI thing and we all have a consciousness.
This is the answer.
Boom, both the nature of NHI, where they come from, their technology and what perhaps is delaying disclosure…all has to do with our current understanding of consciousness and our development therein!
It’s kinda the cutting edge where several of our most frontier technologies are getting stalled…Quantum Physics, AI, Biology/Psychology…so the moment we understand NHI, we will have a greater understanding of those other subjects and vice versa.
You are correct. In my Crant (Christmas Rant), I lost sight of this great point. Thank you for the reminder. 👏
All roads lead to consciousness w this subject.
I'm an experiencer and I don't create content or sell anything.
The general message I've been receiving keeps repeating and it's that "we're talking to ALL of you right now, and we're talking to each person in the form that makes sense to them."
Thus, it's likely you're already receiving communication, you just have been brushing it off or haven't recognized it for what it is yet (and it might not even matter that you don't recognize it). It can be in your dreams, in your thoughts or intuition, via a person saying something to you (even better if multiple disconnected people say the same thing to you), through a string of events that do not make sense, strange data, a noticeable experience in nature, etc. ANYTHING.
The point is that the thing is talking to YOU in a language you understand, it doesn't matter if anyone else experiences it with you or agrees. My guess is that it will take the form of something uncanny, something that makes you go, "huh." It also may be something that gets shoved into your face because you have been refusing to deal with it.
If they have something they really need to tell you, they will make sure you get the message. Otherwise just keep tuning into your intuition and going with the flow. Face what you need to face, do the work you need to do, and be your beautiful, spontaneous, and unique self.
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Some examples from my own life in case they help:
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A few general things that are difficult to comprehend but seem important:
Thank you for this. Very enlightening.
how did you communicate using tarot cards ? not verbal I suppose
Right, it's a combination of pulling cards and paying attention to your mind/ thoughts/ intuition. The symbols on the cards somehow communicate stuff to you, and sometimes your mind receives additional detail like, "in this case the 7 of cups is moving, the options are variable over time" or "in this case the 7 of cups represents an impenetrable wall of illusion." It can also be that an image will flash into your mind to adjust the meaning of the cards a bit.
How is that happening? I have literally no idea, it's a mystery. I'm just trying to do my part of the "job" the best I can. ;)
You mentioned tarot being legit, and therefore I stopped reading and immediately discounted anything you have to say as psychobabble.
I don’t believe Tarot in any way on its own to do anything. Tarot is simply a tool, just like a pair of dice, or a pack of regular playing cards, or a bag of tickets choosing one randomly.
These ‘divination’ tools are not divine instruments tapping into perfect powers. They are simply clumsy tools that allow the user (and some other unknown force) to subtly subconsciously influence. If the universe, god, aliens, angels, whatever exists only communicates to us via odd but not impossible phenomena (because anything impossible would likely induce psychosis rather than getting a message across), then it stands to reason that putting yourself in a position to give them something ‘random’ to influence would be a great way to receive these communications.
Being open and receptive to the interpretations puts you in a place to hear it.
No answer given is ever physics law breaking. But often they are just relevant enough to make you go “huh”. And it happens often enough to not feel like a coincidence or placebo. And eventually you want to convince and show others this truly amazing thing that works for you. But, until they try on their own, they likely won’t believe.
So I suggest people try using divination tools if they wish to receive communication. If consciousness is the gateway to communication, there will either be those open to the idea, and those not. Only those open may experience what they wish.
I get what you're saying but it's such a complex message!
Like you said, you're basically throwing sticks or rocks or whatever thing. It's by throwing the sticks - creating the randomness - that you allow for the NHI to affect it.
You're using chaos to allow for ordering, and it's the ordering which you can then perceive.
On its face it sounds ridiculous, and that's why you have to experience it for yourself. It's insane until it's not, then it becomes a physics puzzle.
I am not well-trained in physics, but things like tarot appear to absolutely violate the laws of physics that most of us assume operate on the human scale, seemingly easily.
In my opinion, tarot is an especially interesting case because each card contains multiple symbols, and the 78 cards can be combined in all sorts of ways, creating theoretically infinite possibilities in terms of what's communicated. It's high-complexity, but often the resulting messages are simple. How? It's a whole different piece of the puzzle.
I agree with you actually, which is why I think the NHI used it.
Just like most people, I would've brushed off every subtle signal, so they showed me something I couldn't ignore, which was the real-time manipulation of material objects in a manner that defies probability theory as well as general understanding of physics on the human scale.
Basically the NHI blew my fucking brain out of my head and were like, "yeah so everything you think about how this all works? It's not like that."
Tarot, or any ‘divination’ tool affecting probabilities can be used. I’ve also had very interesting experience and glad you posted these comments.
That's unfortunate.
The Government would never lie to us! That’s sarcasm. Merry Christmas!
You’re not exactly wrong, but blindly distrusting everything doesn’t make you a good skeptic, it just makes you a sheep of the other herd.
They already channeled a very detailed collective mind of aliens in the 1980s. It's called the Ra Material. Free disclosure has been available for a long time, if you want to take it at face value.
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There are recordings of the channelings you can listen to. You are welcome to think its a larp, that's fine. But if you listen to it and/or read it you'll quickly realize how difficult it would be to make up details like this in 100+ sessions. The detail of information far surpasses any other channelings I've read.
100% accuate information? Maybe not, since it is somewhat distorted through the filter of the channeler themselves. That's always going to be the case. But once you understand what consciousness is (a foundational reality, not a creation of the brain), you'll know not all channeling is larping.
I'd honestly like to see someone try to make up something as detailed as this. I couldn't do it, that's for sure. Use your own discernment, and don't take my word for it.
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“Based on people he spoke with”. He didn’t do it and has again revealed nothing. The talking heads need to start being held accountable in this space. Does no one find it odd he’s said all he can say he knows but every time a new book cycle starts he suddenly knows more from 20 years ago that he swore he didn’t know just 1 year ago?
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He’s got more time with boots on the ground investigations into the phenomenon then you have been alive. He donated his archives to the Archives of the Impossible. What the fuck do you really want? He has single handedly kept this topic alive during all the dark times - that I was alive for - in the 70’s - 2000’s. Literally even speaking in front of the UN
The argument against “books being written” so so beyond low effort that people like you need to be challenged. How else is information supposed to be disseminated - when the topic is subjected to an actual and verifiable manufactured taboo because the government doesn’t want you to know or talk about this at all?
Debate the claims and do not make ad hominem attacks. How about that?
Also I have had to remove a bunch of comments from this particular thread with extremely suspicious accounts that have never commented on this topic once in their entire history - just to make a “grifters gonna grift” comment. Seems like this interview hit a nerve with the breakaway civilization. Merry Christmas.
I say Good Show! There’s a reason most debunkers just can’t touch Valle. He’s meticulous, he’s thorough, he’s reasoned, and he doesn’t talk down to the reader. I’m not saying, I agree with everything he has written, but nobody is more thoroughly knowledgeable on the subject than he.
vallee has done more than anyone in the scene, he's the godfather of ufology, but yet he still doesn't know what's going on. there are mystics and channellers that know more than him. you don't have to rely on people like vallee. you can find the truth on your own.
Get em
Amen to that friend.
You have no idea my age or experience, so it seems odd to go that route, but yes, he is a very old man. I’m not sure how his being an old man lends credibility, but it’s an opinion.
Dude I set up the Anomalous Coalition interviews and when the question came up asking him about his involvement either Peter Thiel did not shy away from answering the question. In his defense - where do you think funding for research comes from? The government is hiding this topic from us. Corporations like Lockheed Martin keep the research for themselves - the only choice is to go to private people with billions of dollars. Tell me one billionaire who doesn’t have a questionable background! They all suck but literally Jacques is at least trying to keep pushing this topic forward.
Also - when you are public like this the IC absolutely will try to ruin your life. He has been able to survive because he has been vague but leaves a LOT of breadcrumbs - look at his Forbidden Science books for example. You are getting it wrong if you think HE is parroting the DoD - I have spoken to him multiple times and he literally knows that they have their own agenda and that disclosure is going to be “a mess” because of all of the implications.
This is one of his most forward interviews. He has been trying to tell you for decades that the woo is an intrinsic part of this and the government literally is trying to control the narratives. We are dealing with a very powerful national security state - and likely a breakaway civilization in the middle of that - that will use carrots at first to get you to shut up and then follow that up with sticks. Think about this. How do you survive trying to let people know about the history of this topic with THAT going on. We owe Jacques a debt of gratitude about all he had done.
I’m an experiencer and just kind of done with the argument that somehow the writing a book gives you some kind of “F You” money on a highly marginalized topic.
Also - my added comment about grifting was not directed towards you - you can’t see it but multiple suspicious accounts latched onto your comment - accounts that literally never posted on this topic before in their years long history - just to say “grifters gonna grift”. Think about this.
This is a public comment I made about my time as a mod of r/ufos and the 4 years I have been a mod of these subreddits. If they are doing this in social media guess what they do to people in real life.
people are so annoying with the “they just want out money!!!” comments. it’s like these people are keeping this subject alive and doing way more for the subject than all us keyboard warriors. i’m so tired of the automatic dismissal just because they’re trying to make a buck for their efforts.
these comments are always upvoted to the top of these type of posts and people need to understand it’s a lot more nuanced than “every single person that writes a book on the subject is lying and just wants out money”. i doubt there is THAT much money to be made from the UFO community
I also understand the breadcrumb perspective but ultimately isn’t that a free pass to make any vague statement and later claim it was what was just revealed? I can see both sides of that perspective, and while both are possible, it is still just a judgement call, imo.
I am not anti-woo and I’m open to that side of it. My issue with woo though is it’s even more impossible to verify and judge then nut and bolts so the space is wild and everywhere. It just again creates this layer of silliness that feeds the taboo.
Apologies about the G thing, and I have no doubt paid bots are active on sites like these. And I’m sure they are from more then just the USA helping to sow discord and cause trouble rather then unify and bring us together.
I also wish Reddit was like it used to be where people could talk, and maybe they have different views, but it didn’t mean you were scum and disregarded. Different opinions make the world interesting, as long as they aren’t based in hate and fear.
Thank you for the good conversation here. Did you watch this interview? It’s because of Vallee that is experiencers have a method of being able to talk to regular people about this topic. Without books like Passport to Magonia and Dimensions we wouldn’t have a way to look at our experiences - because the government and science have let us all down.
He has survived to continue to talk and has repeatedly given us a way to talk about the woo, the science that is going on around the woo, the history and the government involvement. This interview also addresses a number of questions the community has about what the government knows - he’s clearly saying “they don’t know what the phenomenon is - they are reacting to it and they may be having different experiences with it then civilians have”.
I think realistically you are frustrated that he and others aren’t just coming right out with it. But as it said - there’s still a significant group out there with a lot of power to ruin lives that we collectively need to get around. I think the main thing that we need to acknowledge here is that ufo secrecy actually bleeds into a larger social engineering effort that has been ongoing for decades and acknowledging the lies and secrecy around UFO’s leads to the inevitable conclusion that there’s a much larger issue with our government and democracy. I encourage you to watch the documentary The Century of the Self - it originally aired on the BBC 25 years ago and shows that for the last 100 years first corporations and then governments have been using cutting edge psychological techniques in conjunction with the mass media and advertising industries to socially engineer their populations. This is why Matthew Brown said “we are living in a dream”. We are awash in propaganda.
Now contrast that with this short documentary about the 100% manufactured social taboo called The UFO Stigma. This was created by the CIA on behalf of the Air Force with the help of (you guessed it) academic psychologists, the mass media and the advertising industry. People did not have a negative view of the paranormal or UFO’s before this. It’s a powerful lesson about propaganda. Something to think about as an experiencer about why you can’t share your experiences with friends and family.
There needs to be a balance shown from your differing perspectives from “insiders”, I think. A vast majority are claims without any specificity coupled with “I was told but can’t tell you”. The repeated teasing pattern just inevitably gets very old.
Jacques has written some very compelling books and has been a part of government research for decades. He’s a trove of information relating to this subject and has made an everlasting footprint within the field.
But I don’t think it excludes him from criticism. From what we’ve heard within UFO lore over the decades, what he’s saying doesn’t necessarily contradict certain things but it opens the door for many follow-up questions. Perhaps a willingness to discuss it more in-depth would be beneficial.
Claims without any specificity or verifiable data of any kind, regardless of who they come from, are just a tired old tale at this point.
This is why he agreed to do the Anomalous Coalition with us and will be doing another one in the future.
Did you watch this interview? He’s talking about specific cases. Just like he did in the Anomalous coalition interview even announcing a new white paper that was published in a journal (its in the first 15 min of this video) . It’s not his fault that there seems to be a huge amount of people that are unaware of his contributions to the topic or that he is even still trying to push the ball forward. He has said multiple times - and the reasons that he left his archive to Rice University and the Archives of the Impossible - is that he understands that future scientists may be able to take his research and build upon it. That’s what science does.
Specific cases is cool but (imo of course, not speaking for everyone), I’m more concerned and interested with the Govt side of the house than the experiencers right now. And I don’t mean to disparage or discredit them by saying that. If we want to understand and get to disclosure, whatever that may mean, stakeholders need to be held accountable and exposed.
I don’t disagree that Jacques is a legend and has earned it through hard work. His donations are a class act. But still doesn’t change the feeling of being left short of any kind of answer whether one in totality or via direction.
George Knapp (on record) and Richard Dolan may be the only people in recent history who have name dropped not only a company but stakeholder in the game. I find that bothersome and equally as compelling. Surely Vallee, a researcher, can point us in a solid direction? Even in his discussions with Pasulka, according to her, seemed guarded and lacking “answers”.
Did you watch the interview? They devoted a good 20 min to the secrecy as part of the conversation. It was compelling. He talks about the actual business of Silicon Valley and the culture of being able to get funding and the need to be trustworthy by not blabbing classified information. There’s a direct correlation there and he’s telling you why he isn’t being direct.
Also - I really suspect that in the archives he donated to the Archives of the Impossible he does name names. He made a stipulation they couldn’t begin to be released until 10 years had passed. The very first part of the archives will be made available next year but it will take 10 years for all of it to be available. It’s clear he expected to be dead when it was finally all published.
Calling it boots on the ground does some major heavy lifting.
Have you ever read his books? He worked directly with Dr J Alan Hynek. The French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind is literally based on him. He actually did do a LOT of investigations such as Betty and Barney Hill, and tons of accounts in Brazil such as Colares which no one here would even know about if it wasn’t for him.
Do better with your low effort nonsense.
Lots of people have talked to the Hills.
I like, liked, Vallee but lately he’s been as vague and meaningless as any of the countless talking heads.
He was there when Project Blue book was talking to them. I can see you’re not arguing in good faith.
I would contend with this issue by replying: ‘how can you possibly say all you can say when you have researching an issue for 50+ years, and catalogued tens of thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of cases’. This man is the closest thing we have to being an expert in this field. It would be foolish not to respect and listen to everything he has to say. New ideas culminate over time. His views are always valuable on this topic.
There's a complete lack of accountability in the NHI disclosure space, and it's really damaging both in terms of finding the truth and reputation of the topic. Hell, there are subreddits on here that will flat out ban you if you post something critical like your comment. It's insane.
I’m banned for 7 days from UFO’s for this exact comment, to your point. The mods there ban people all the time for saying anything against the “talking heads” that funnel most of the information out like Vallee, Corbell, Knapp, etc. That sub has real control and censorship problems from their mods. It wouldn’t surprise me if they had government mods there as well.
100%. There are subs like that where there's a rule that you cannot post anything remotely skeptical or challenging claims of posters and the talking heads. You think about that for a minute and what it means: you must accept anything that is said without question. Who does that benefit? Definitely not anyone legitimately interested in a difficult and slippery topic like NHI.
"There's always a book."
Vallee is no different than Grusch, is no different than Elizondo, is no different than Lazar... Everything these dudes have wouldn't even hold up in court, as it's just hearsay.
As it's been said before: 'Either your holdin', or you can move the f*** on.'
Not really. I like Vallée. Don’t think I care much for you
"The talking heads need to start being held accountable in this space."
People need to just stop listening to them. Stop talking about them, stop posting about them stop watching interviews with them, or podcasts or books or whatever. Even the people that hate them and think they are dumb still watch their podcasts. They don't give a shit if you believe them or not, you add revenue money spends just the same.
Just ignore them.
Perhaps Vallee is not a talking head at all but has actually travelled to do in person investigations for decades. It’s seriously perplexing to hear people like you talk and not understand this at all. He worked directly with J Alan Hynek assisting with Project Blue book - making the very first database for sightings at a time when computers took up a whole floor of an office building.
He was the model for the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
He went to Brazil in the late 70’s through the 80’a and we know about the extraordinary sightings and events at places like Colares because of him.
Literally more “boots on the ground” investigations than you’ve literally been alive. He spoke in front of the UN about this topic.
So it’s extremely strange to hear this specific kind of comment about him as if you don’t understand he actually investigated thousands of events AND worked in NIDS/BAASS and then AAWSAP in the 2000’s.
And after all those years of investigations and talking to the UN and being in Hollywood movies and boots on the ground longer than I've been alive he and I have both produced the same amount of verifiable evidence. He is a "talking head" because for one reason or another that's all he has been able to do. He talked to witnesses, he talked to insiders, he talked to the UN, he talked to movie makers and he has talked to us. What is perplexing is that people like you continue to list off the resumes of people as evidence that they are right as opposed to any actual verifiable evidence they have produced.
Just because they are talking heads doesn't prove they are wrong but it definitely doesn't mean they are right. That's the problem with all of them. Nobody has anything we can check to see if they are right. People say they have a really good excuse on why they can't prove what they say which may be true but it doesn't matter. Just because you have a good excuse why you can't prove you are right doesn't mean you are right.
This is a bad faith argument. Why? Because you are equating a person who has done everything I have laid out that we know objectively to be true - astrophysics degree, computer scientist, helped invent the actual internet, wrote more then 10 books on the topic, investigated many many classic encounters, worked with J Alan Hynek, wrote a LOT of white papers, etc and so on
With a news commentator.
This is the definition of a talking head
Your whole argument is that because he appears on a podcast that this invalidates all of the other things he has actually done to move this topic forward.
Literally he has given voice and some kind of meaning to millions of experiencers world wide who are left bewildered by science and government who refuse to take the topic seriously because of the actual manufactured social taboo.
So either debate the claims without having to resort to bad faith arguments or perhaps don’t debate at all.
I agree with that premise, but they are ever present in every space that discusses this. How can we avoid them? They dominate the entire spaces opinions and mood. The influencers in this space control the space.
By not doing what we are doing and engaging in conversations about them. We drive just as many clicks as the people who are true believers. Personally I just don't watch any of their stuff anymore and try to consume as little about what they put out as I can. If the day ever comes where one of them actually produces something tangible I'll still hear about it then I will gladly eat my hat.
Has anyone nailed down what Jacques Vallee thinks is actually happening?
Enjoy.
Thank you for the interesting info and the delicious gummies
Glad you like them, they're called "worlds best" for a reason!
Not even Vallee has
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Project Preserve Destiny?
Do you think the truth about death/reincarnation or nature of life will be revealed?
All the 4 year accounts with comments hidden seem to have a problem with this post.
Nothing to see here, carry on.
Because these people need to stop the vagueness that only serves to promote themselves and actually say something. I used to think Vallee was “one of the good ones” but he keeps saying stuff like this.
Jacques Vallée is a very trustworthy person. His extensive research extends decades and was there from the beginning of it all. We need more minds like his in this field.
Hey, can I get your opinion on this information?
https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/s/XjnHWoJXij
People have known about psychadelics for all of time. If you want to meet aliens and ask them questions that is the way. Its open to everyone.
Is this project preserve destiny recently featured on a Jesse Michels’ interview with Dan Sherman?
No - go look at the weaponized interview with Jacques Vallee rather than just rely on this article. It’s a really important interview.
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Is the secret highly sophisticated process paid for by my taxpayer money?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenLanguages/s/Qi8UEe8D94
Believe it or not, this is not all that highly sophisticated as you would think. Otherworldly technology, is yes. Virtually anyone who is prepared and willing to accept the reality can actually access this line of communication for themselves though, no equipment required.
This guy is the grifter of all grifters. The OG grifter. I can’t see why he always gets a pass on this sub.
Well ywah they got the hands in the gateway program who is already doing that’s stuff
whatever they are they do whatever they want and need no ones permission to do so and for that reason he's most likely absolutely wrong
He lives in France though heard from someone that claims to have heard from someone else that the American government… etc… oh yeah, and buy my book.
Do you know who Jacques Vallee even is? This is such a low effort and frankly ignorant comment. He literally created not one but two databases for two different well known government programs for sightings - Project Blue Book in the 60’s and AAWSAP in the 2000’s. He’s had more boots on the ground time investigating accounts first hand then you have been alive.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/pYrEGVR5yA
He is conveying literal hearsay. He has zero first hand knowledge.
This is objectively false. Either argue in good faith by debating claims or perhaps read up on who you are taking about and argue in good faith.
Which part is objectively false? You’re telling me has first hand proof? He explicitly stated he doesn’t and that he heard from someone else
Try harder. We see you. You all sound the same.
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True story. I was there at the round table. We had an alien translator but was human. I cant name drop but she is here living today. Soon very soon 07/07/2027
I believe him yo.
Seems like this guy’s name is everywhere now.
I’m sure he’s selling another book.
I think it is this guy's program https://youtu.be/Rfmy5oW_r9c?si=AgCA33OTAuQrKPR3. Though Vallee is a storyteller who tells stories that often lead nowhere and answer no questions.