I am curious with all the wind we get along highway 2 why do they not intall wind turbines along the highway. They would not be taking up any precious land or obstructing views? Government install and collect the revenue from them. 🤷🏼‍♂️. I may be way over simplifying this as I do not know a lot about it but curious all the same.

Happy new year!!

  • ‘They wreck the sight lines’ -UCP

    Yet those billboards displaying dead babies are somehow ok

    Don’t forget the flat earthers need to be seen

    Ya, those are jesuses billboards

    You know there can't be wind near the flat earth billboards either.

    We need to crowd fund monkey Jesus ones.

    This is a dolphin fetus.

    Omg FUCK those things. It's such a pretty drive and then they show up

    Christians live to ruin a good thing.

    Not even dead babies! They are the products of miscarriages.

    I can’t see the pump jacks with all these windmills in my way

    They wreck the sight lines of abandoned pump jacks - UCP

    "Pristine landscapes"

    Yeah, because wind turbines block your view of the strip mines digging up coal, and shipping it out by train.

    I was going to say, they don't look pretty enough

    I kind of agree, not in general, just in the instance of placing them down the number 2 highway. We have incredible amounts of space in this province, and I'd imagine there are areas that have more wind. Why would you just plop them down next to where all the people are?

    Because you don’t need to build roads and powerlines out to new areas. There is already a lot of pre existing infrastructure that could make it easier and cheaper to deploy. 

  • Industry Canada requires that the installation of a wind turbine requires a “fall“ radius around the tower equal to the height of the device installed. So putting them by the highway would be a risk to critical infrastructure, which any highway is, let alone highway 2 which is a special industrial corridor in Alberta. There is no way that wind towers would be built within falling range of that roadway. 

    Also wind power is a private business concern and not a provincial government concern, so even if a power company wanted to put them there they would have to lease the sites. And then there is the transmission lines that carry the power away to consider, they need space and fall zones and so much more access for maintenance. Seems like a good idea until the engineers look at it and collectively sat “nah bruh”. 

    Also I think any usage of that corridor space should be looking at high speed rail…. So I guess special interests have a role to play too. 

    This makes a lot of sense. I did not consider the fall radious at all. Just because the provincial government doesn't have them doesn't mean they can't, but agree they won't.

    High speed rail would be a fantastic.

    My sales pitch for high speed rail to Albertans is “ get this Prius drivers on the train so there is more room for my dually.” Appeal to their base instincts. 

    My only worry is that they will somehow make it more costly than driving.

    I want a rail system but I'm afraid it will be managed to death to keep cars cheaper.

    This guy infrastructures.

    This plus that corridor is some of the most expensive rural land in the whole province. There’s plenty of other empty land that in the province that can be had for lower purchase or lease rates.

    And the wind isn't as strong as other areas of the province. Higher cost of land plus less production per year makes a bad investment .

    This. There’s a reason why turbines are concentrated in certain topographical parts of the region.

    This is a legitimate logical answer. Appreciate you taking time. It does seem like next to a hiway would be worthwhile, but that “fall radius” immediately negates that idea.

    There is no industry Canada to deal with windmills, provincial jurisdiction all the way.

    Finally a good answer. Ty for this. I learned a thing and I appreciate it.

    And there are many wind and solar farms around, you just can’t see them driving up hwy 2.

    I was with you until you said high speed rail. I just don't see the business case for it unless it connects downtown to downtown, there's good parking/transit on each end, and tickets are cheap. Otherwise it makes more sense to drive especially since they'd never recoup the cost to build. Better off going renewable and transitioning to EVs.

    In 1978, on a day off, took the ETS bus for 25 cents from south Edmonton, to the municipal airport downtown.

    For the heck of it, pay $30 to get on the hourly 737 to Calgary. Window shop downtown, have a few beers.

    Take the train back ( free , railroad employee ) get off at 103 street and Whyte, walk home , eat dinner. Travel used to be much better.

    CP rail intentionally made the train worse, to reduce ridership, because passenger trains had the right of way over the $freight trains, that occasionally had to take a siding .

    The municipal airport was similarly killed for development $.

    Go buy a $car , in$urance, and some $gasoline, peasants.

    That's what the sticker on the window of the Premiers office says; North side of legislature, first window east, of north front columns .

    Downtown-to-downtown rail would probably never pay for itself in ticket revenues, but it would very likely pay for itself in economic growth. That’s why it probably makes sense to involve the public sector instead of waiting for a private company to build it.

    The CPR wouldn’t have been financially viable as a private project, either, but most Canadians would probably agree that it was worth the investment to have Canada as we know it today.

    How though? What growth would you see at each terminus? People that travel for business either fly or drive and if I'm bringing my family to Calgary it's way faster and more economical to drive. Lots of people on this sub always push this multi billion dollar project but how often would they even use it?

    Right but that's completely different. Flying and driving were basically non-existent for getting across the country in the first half of the 1900s. Now rail is primarily used for transporting goods and that line from Edmonton to Calgary already exists. As a taxpayer I don't see any reasonable return on investment compared to other projects (renewables, energy, etc) so I'd rather a private company put up the funds if anyone ever wants to actually build it.

    Right now there are 4 different commercial bus lines running around 20 busses a day between the two cities. Tons of business passengers.

    Sometimes a there being or not being a business case is the reason you do something. There is no business case for canada post in many areas of the country and currently we have people in power destroying it to sell off to private sector, deliberately fucking over the areas a business case doesnt make sense. Some things are necessary because they offer more to society than just profit. Rail from lethbridge, through calgary, red deer, edmonton and up to fort mac is 100 percent a net benefit for the province and the people, but it hasnt happened because it Doesnt present a solid profit motive.

    Oh you and your special interests will see me and my special interests in the parking lot. The parking lot is the name of the pub all lobbiests hang out in. Hahaha 

    I 100% would like to see the downtown to downtown solution with a transit station at each hub. If only for the inevitable footage of hockey fans invading each others city on game days. That would be an Alberta I love. 

    I could see airport to airport with lrt and certain connection to the downtown core. Perhaps a stop in redder as well

  • There are a bunch of factors that go into siting a windmill project. Some have been mentioned already, like fall radius, proximity to buildings, future development of towns/cities, etc.

    Another couple are higher ground/ridges to install the turbines on, as this maximizes the wind, as well as good ground for the turbines to be installed on. I'm not exactly sure how they do it (screw pilings maybe?), but for such talk, heavy structures, I know there are constraints as to where they can be installed with maximum stability.

    Proximity to transition lines is another factor.

    And along Highway 2 is some of the most productive farmland in the province. Land can almost always be leased, but the price it would command would be a lot higher than, say, cattle grazing country near Drumheller. (For the non-agriculturally-minded, if large areas are used for cattle grazing, it means the land isn't suited to crop for one or more reasons- too dry/uncertain precipitation, saline (higher salt content), too hilly, etc.)

  • The United Conservative Party (UCP) government in Alberta did not cancel all green projects, but its policies, including a seven-month moratorium on new renewable energy project approvals in 2023-2024 and subsequent regulations, have led to the cancellation or delay of dozens of projects. 

    Key impacts include:

    • Cancelled Projects: According to reports from the Pembina Institute and Business Renewables Centre (BRC-Canada), approximately 53 wind, solar, and battery storage projects have been cancelled since the moratorium was announced in August 2023. These cancelled projects represent a generating capacity of over 8,600 megawatts, which is more than enough power for all homes in Alberta.
    • Investment and Revenue Loss: The cancellations have reportedly stripped an estimated C$91 million annually in municipal tax revenues from rural communities and resulted in billions in lost economic opportunities and investment.
    • New Regulations: The moratorium was put in place to allow the government to develop new regulations concerning land use, "pristine viewscapes," and reclamation security. New rules were released in late 2024, imposing restrictions and "no-go zones" in certain agricultural and scenic areas, which critics argue create an uncertain investment climate and put renewables at a disadvantage compared to the fossil fuel industry.
    • Ongoing Projects: Some projects that were already in advanced stages of development or construction prior to the moratorium have proceeded, and a few new projects have been proposed since the pause was lifted, but the overall volume of new applications has slowed significantly. 

    The UCP government has defended its actions, with officials stating the pause was necessary to ensure responsible land use and grid reliability, and that the reports of cancellations are misinformation because not all proposed projects are expected to be built. However, the general consensus among industry watchers and clean energy organizations is that the policy changes have created significant political and regulatory uncertainty, causing investors to look to other jurisdictions. 

    or in simpler terms, people with billions to invest in major energy projects, dont waste their money on unstable ideologically driven governments.

    It’s literally because they can’t build safely or feasibly along Highway 2. UCP sucks, but not everything is a “gotcha”.

    your literally totally missing the entire point. ROFL

    Lay it out then. The question was why we don’t build wind turbines along Highway 2 and you went on a rant about the UCP and wind, when others in the thread have laid out exactly why we don’t build turbines within a certain amount of metres from infrastructure.

    Lay it out then. The question was why we don’t build wind turbines along Highway 2 and you went on a rant about the UCP and wind, when others in the thread have laid out exactly why we don’t build turbines within a certain amount of metres from infrastructure.

    lmao.... thats a rant? its a copy and paste OF FACTS FROM GOOGLE.

    its literally the history of the last few years in Alberta and the thousands of jobs lost because of the ucp.

    and you can build near a highway (theres literally several dozen wind turbines 10 km from me boxed in by 4 highways) but not on the shoulder... safely in other words.

    thanks for the good laugh....rant......hahahahahhaha i guess thats what conservatives call facts now?

    Touch grass my dude

    Thanks for the laugh. Boomers are hilarious on the internet.

  • Because the oil and gas industry see them a challenge to their business of burning fossil fuels for profit. They own Alberta and their puppet government.

  • Drive Highway 3 from Fort McCloud to the Crowsnest Pass.

  • Windmills are anti-albertan activities

    /s

    I want to believe you’re being sarcastic but given the circumstances of things I can’t help but acknowledge there’s a possibility of her doing this somehow as retribution for the upcoming failed separatist referendum. They’ll decide to suppress voters by interning us or deporting us to Ontario to quickly hold a second one that can run effectively unopposed.

  • I don't know about wind turbines, but solar fences might be interesting. If you need a fence anyway, they take up no space. While they do produce less power on average than horizontal solar panels, they do better in times when traditional solar struggles the most, such as the morning and evening, as well as in the winter.

  • UCP hates anything that upsets oil and gas 

  • Sigh… it does have a couple of considerations.

    You need the land.

    You need the access to getting power to the grid.

  • I know that it's unpopular among Green types due to all the fearmongering and such, but nuclear would be so much more space efficient and it's emissions free. The oil lobby hates it, though, since it's something that could potentially make them obsolete if widely adopted enough. Even the oil rich Gulf states are transitioning to nuclear. The UAE recently opened up its first reactor.

    For now, though, the real answer to why we don't install more wind turbines is because the UCP doesn't like them. They upset the oil and gas lobbies, which is who Smith actually supports. Plus they're "woke" or something, idk.

  • I wouldn't put up windmills. I'd start covering the roads with solar panels that can be hinged straight up to dump snow and clear over height loads. Probably help road life as well keeping the sun off them.

  • yeah, there's lots of wind on the 2. but there's even more wind further south, and they haven't run out of space to build windmills down there yet.

  • I love driving down highway three and seeing all the wind turbines spinning.

    Saw so many from Saskatchewan to Manitoba I was fascinated!! I thought they were majesticAF

    Just outside Palm Springs there is a huge field of row upon row of them.It looks like Starship Troopers when the bugs attack the base.

    I never did the drive between Windsor and Toronto all that often, but IIRC there's an area near Chatham that has a fair number of wind turbines within sight of the highway. I always thought that was a cool bit in an otherwise kinda meh drive.

    Same when they had a large turbine at Pickering nuclear station and you were able to see it pretty clearly when passing by on the GO Train.

  • UCP thinks you can't be pro oil AND pro renewables because reasons

  • Given the gnarly weather between Airdrie and Red Deer I wouldn't want to build anything in that corridor. I'd imagine tennis ball sized hail isn't great for the blades.

  • Highway 2 is pretty long, kind of a tough question. The wind turbines are built where it is windy, down south and out east. I assume the companies that built them determined that the wind along highway 2 is not windy enough

  • Highway 2 isn’t really that bad for wind. Go east of Stettler, there is more wind and a lot of wind turbines around there. SE Alberta is a good spot for them.

  • If you're talking about the actual highway right of way, that's probably not practical given how enormous wind turbines are. The blades would pass over neighbouring fields, and they could pose a road hazard...there's a reason we keep the rights of way clear of obstacles.

    If you're talking about the surrounding fields, it's because Alberta severely restricts where such things can be placed, even if a landowner wants them. ALL HAIL YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, EXXON MOBIL.

    I was referring to the right of way. Did not think of the fall radious at all which now makes sense.

  • There's the practical reasons - safety, mentioned elsewhere the in comments here - but also the simple fact that all our energy generation is privately-owned.

  • I’m sorry have you not enjoyed the glorious views of the Rockies offered by traversing highway 2?

    Not sure if this is sarcasm or not 🤦🏼

    I think I was trying to do both at the same time. Thus accomplishing neither well.

    South of Calgary highway 2 is very pretty. North of Calgary it’s nothing to sneeze at either.

    I drive it from calgary to past edmonton a few times a year and really don't think they would effects much but thats just my uneducated opinion. I have not yet traveled to the south of Alberta so can't comment.

    Just put ‘em on the east side of the highway.

  • As someone else said, they'd be too close to the highway if they were to fall. However, the UCP cancelled all renewable energy projects so we can't even explore other options. Im all for it, it brings in money, creates jobs for Albertans and props our grid up when there's large energy spikes. Plus it props us up when oil and gas ain't doing so well. I'm pro oil and gas, but I'm also pro renewable energy in the fact that it creates jobs and bolsters our grid and economy. There is zero reason we can't have both other than "renewables must be a liberal thing, let's not have it".

  • Renewables are illegal in Alberta, we are permanently stuck in 1953. Just waiting for them to put the lead back in the gasoline and a little polio treat. Enjoy

  • It seems that the cities are mostly expanding along hiway 2. Building windmills would restrict their growth due to restrictions to how close houses can be there.

    Makes some sense

  • Big oil does not approve.

  • They would be a navigation hazard for the drones birds.

  • Initial costs are expensive for wind turbines so producers place them based on prevailing wind patterns. Highway 16 had a turbine along a curve in the highway to test winds generated from highway traffic but it was taken down after a few years, I assume that it didn’t prove to be economically feasible

    The other drawback is the noise a line of turbines produces would make travelling along the highway very unpleasant

  • They already have them in max wind areas.

  • The only way possible and most efficient and effective is a vertical wind turbine that can go around light posts

  • I have seen a bunch around alix/coronation - somewhere near to stettler. Not sure about the exact location

  • People would crash into them.

  • Highway 2 is good, but there's better spots in Alberta for windmills, and companies want to maximize profit (read wind) when building new projects.

    Global Wind Atlas https://share.google/GOU0HvmRuwLm4KRAT if you're curious.

  • Thank the UCP

  • We’re capitalists. The government would never.

  • Because that's not want our O&G overlords want for us.

  • Private entities own the land along the QE2 and most of it is agricultural. You'd need to convince them to allow it and jump through the new regulatory framework.

  • Because oil lobby says wind is bad.

  • Because we are stupid in this province.

  • Because they don't provide benefits to oil companies.

  • You can’t own the libs with visible renewable energy on the side of the highway.

  • This isn't SimCity, you don't just plop wind turbines wherever you feel like it. You don't think somebody has studied it in the last hundred years? A few windy days a year when you're driving does not make it viable. 

  • That would be too green, cause they like making electricity by burning natural gas.

  • OP you are way too WOKE to be living in Oilberta under Smith and her UCP.

    Hahahah I am not woke. I was just curious one of those random thoughts that came into my head.

  • Because of the ucp

  • Because we don’t want to trigger the right wing conservative oil and gas people.

  • They take away from the burning of fossil fuel for electricity and that is a no no for the UCP.

  • Wind turbines are a waste of money.

    Right, it’s virtue signaling at its finest. There can never be the same energy extracted from a wind turbine as the amount it took to make the thing in the first place. Also can’t make them without oil and gas. When we have wind turbines making wind turbines then we are on to something.