when i used ai to spit out some experimental drawings i will be honest.
i've tried for years to improve at drawing, it always stayed stunted. it felt so pointless when i could barely draw past a 10 year old artists level and i was so ashamed when everyone in the friend groups i had had over the years could paint insanely detailed artwork in minutes.
i try, i tried, i watched the tutorials i did the excerises i tried to learn but with everything else i try at, i fail. or there is a skill wall i just can't climb. my art never looked good- or passable anyway. it felt sooo much easier to ask ai to fart out a character picture for me...
i don't want to use my disabilities as an excuse because there are people who have half the functionality i do and create incredible beautiful artwork with deep meaning and expression... but at the same time, it felt like my fucked up development made it harder to learn (anything.) and harder to physically actually draw.
it felt insulting to me when other people who were 100x any skill level i had would tell me to practice and it's not an innate skill or talent but come ON. some people just have these things naturally.
before anyone comments about giving up because i wasn't immediately a professional artist: not what i am talking about please do not hit me with that stupid comic of a guy turning away before digging diamond lol. i have been drawing and painting and crafting since i was a toddler, digital since 7~8 and i've had multiple programs and tablets since 13. i just don't have the skill and talent. i don't have the eyes for colour, i don't have the strength or understanding.
i do not like to use ai, i like to photobash or even just describe or use dress up games to give artists as a reference but... i have the money to do so. not everyone has commission money and not every artist draws for free. i understand now.
please understand i am not on either side. please don't start getting angry at me in the comments and please do not harass me or anyone else. we're all humans.
Go ahead, use the tool. Tools are designed to be used. You're just living in a generation of people who aren't used to this new tool yet. When cars first came, people would say "get a horse".
in your example the horse and the car still takes time and effort to learn with AI it is just talk and bam art you do not have to learn anything even related to art to use Gen AI
Give it 30 years or less when self driving cars start to show up.
Learn to driver.
there are already self driving cars and also what are you trying to say in your argument there is litterly a severed meaning that does not make sense in the context of your meaning
Well since the context is people saying buy a horse not a car, the next step is going to be learn to drive, stop using AI. Driving requires skill and something to be learnt, you need to pass a test, with AI you don't.
Yes I do not want AI to do anything that I can do because it is so insecure so yes in 30 years I will drive without AI
You presume you will have the choice, it may be possible in your life time that driving will eventually become illegal and only trained personnel will be allowed to drive, like the emergency services or military.
AI will be far safer than any human, in the near future, what will you do then ?
Get a Horse or be one of those special personnel
lol, I guess that's one way to do it.
The police are struggling to find people.
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Wow that is a good picture how did you make it?
If its just drawing, a nice alterantive to drawing is pixel art if you want to draw and have fun id say its a good art style to try attempt.
Have you considered pursuing AI as its own medium rather than a shortcut to drawing?
There are more skills to learn, and set up can be annoying, but AI generation can be an art on its own.
i'm unsure it that would give me what i really want, yknow? though i'm open to the idea of it (antis please dont be mean to me if you want to talk me out of things please be respectful)
Use it as a tool to help you along your journey, like a sound board
There is nothing wrong with having your preferences! But I would definitely encourage you to give it a try.
I'd recommend starting with something like Invoke AI, as it's much easier to get set up and going. You'll have to choose which model you want to use, and there are MANY out there. I'd recommend Flux for getting started.
If at the end of the day it doesn't get you what you really want, then you know it's not for you. You'll at least have gained an understanding of the medium and may be better equipped to discuss the reasons why you don't like it as a medium.
Ai as a medium isn't the same as drwing it, which is one of many why I am an anti
This is an interesting comment, because its actually the reason why I'm so pro.
Drawing and AI diffusion are fundamentally two completely different paths to get an image. Comparing them is truly comparing apples to oranges. One is not better than the other, they're just completely separate.
The sooner we can separate the two mediums from one another, the better off the art community will be.
well yeah honestly, I think after seeing how writers often find ai getting in the way of their works, plus an english teacher worry and noticed loss of their students voices (take that metaphorically) and so on is what I find frustrating. Plus, way before AI was getting hyped up I already have a definition for art which may have fed into my anti takes.
Drawing isn't the same as sculpture. Photography isn't the same as dance. Art can be made in many wildly different ways and still be art.
The difference I am stipulating here is that I am not engaging with the medium of the product. All of what you mentioned is the capacity to be attentive to the work, ai generating models doesn't do that.
Not sure I understand the problem, and it seems more like you've been unduly influenced by the anti side. If you have something in your mind and you want to see it on the page. AI is one of the tools available. So is, for example, ProCreate. Maybe your mode of expression is just making up stories.
And, on the other hand – maybe ignore the urge people impose on you to "create" (be it by analog means or digital). You can also be an active consumer. There's this thing called a film critic (amend this to whatever medium you prefer to dabble in), where you contribute active thoughts to developments in your preferred medium. You could do, say, a blog or channel of some kind.
one question, is the art that you make really that bad?
it's incredibly basic and strained. i promise you i'm not the kind of people who post something like this here, then post artwork worthy of a studio movie lol :')
has anyone else saw it? and if they did what do they think? Also, basic and/or strained doesn't entail bad either. why not leverage it? Art in my opinion is always subverting expectations, what if basic and strained would be your style and not only that it would be yours, one of the only artists that makes basic and strained creative. Final point, my drawings do not look dissimilar, but everyone who I ever draw for loves it. it's not a masterpiece nor is it professional but people still loved it. So, do not beat yourself up over how "bad" it looks, I mean van goh hated his own work, just saying.
this thread has made me think a lot differently now. i think i want to keep trying. but i also don't really want to feel ashamed if i use ai for help in some places 🥲 some people argue it is a tool just like anything else.. but to me, a tool shouldn't do everything for us right? i'm not sure... well, i'll start drawing again soon.
whether you use ai or not is your choice but never let it make you forget your voice. (Idk the drawing equivalent but "voice" is all I can come up with lol) I just realized it rhymes lmfao, this is what happens when I write too much poetry lollll
Does it really matter? I feel what really matters here is not the concrete progress, but how OP feels about it.
I've been in their place. Tried to draw but couldn't. Had a few people tell me I was improving, and I was, but at a rhythm that felt way too slow to me. I was unsatisfied and the entire experience was miserable.
Decided to try my hand at 3D art and after some wasted time trying to fiddle with a program that just wasn't meant for me (DazStudio) I moved over to another program (Blender) and just found myself. Is my progress with 3D art effortless? Definitely not. It's frequently fustrating, but it's definitely not a miserable experience as it was with drawing.
What I want to say is that at that time (years before I discovered AI) I got a feeling that yeah, artists who say "There's no such thing as talent. It's all effort and practice" were wrong. Effort will take you far but talent also makes a difference, else I wouldn't have vibed and thrived so much with 3D than I did with drawn 2D.
Some people just vibe with certain tools or mediums better than they vibe with others. Certain people won't vibe with no one.
it's interesting you say that because i'm shit at drawing but i used to do a lot of fashion sketches... i used to sew and make small creations. i'm for some reason only good with my hands - building doll furniture was really fun.
Then you should do what feels fun, really.
I really think taking a break from drawing might be beneficial for you, so you can return to it later on, with a clear mind, and be able to tell whether drawing is not a pleasurable experience for you, or if it's a pleasurable experience that got ruined because of your own expectations about how you "should" draw.
If it's not pleasurable, then stop it. If it is pleasurable but got ruined, try approaching it with a different mentality. Maybe thinking "I know I take a looooong time to improve, so I might never be as good as my friends, but I still want to know how far I can take it" might reduce the pressure you put on yourself.
Either way, you should have fun creating. Whether it's manual drawing, AI art, fashion sketches or building doll furniture, just have fun.
I wish there was a way to tag you in my second response to op, And I do not disagree that mediums are different for everyone. I do not hold that a program that does everything as a medium at all. bc yk it is drawing, not me. I'm not attentive to the details at all. now I can see it as a tool and all that as well, but honestly I only asked op that question because I beat myself up over my own works. My poetry, short stories, unfinished books, digital art, drawings, traces and so on. but everytime i show it to someone they always love it. check in with people, leverage your faults as talent. Your greatest weakness is your greatest strength. "There's no object so ugly, that under the right conditions and lighting, it would not be beautiful. And there's no object so ugly, that under the right conditions, it would not be ugly."-oscar wilde
Yes. I read your comment and to be fair I do agree and it made me temper my own opinion too.
Sometimes yes, we're just not vibing with that medium, but sometimes your mind is just expecting too much, comparing yourself with others too much, judging yourself too much, etc and generally sucking the joy out of what should be a fulfilling process.
On a side note...
>I do not hold that a program that does everything as a medium at all. bc yk it is drawing, not me
I do think that AI can be a medium as well, especially for those with a very clear mental image of what they want to make and who "do not accept the first result".
Writing a prompt and hitting "generate" doesn't really make me feel much, but reviewing the prompt, changing parameters, taking the image to Photoshop so I can change colors and lines to influence the generation, making 3D renders to serve as depth references for the image... all of that results in a more involved process that makes me feel the frustrations and fulfillment of creation just as I feel when doing 3D art.
would you say there's a difference between a medium and a tool?
Yes, I would, though I admit I wouldn't be able to give you precise definitions. A tool is something more task-oriented, something someone uses to do a certain task, while a medium is the canvas where the artists' creativity, skills and problem-solving manifest.
When I'm using AI to upscale an image or to remove an image's background, that's a tool.
When I'm composing a prompt to wrangle the dumb AI to generate what I want, drawing attention masks to tell the AI which parts of my 3D render should it pay attention to and the intensity of said attention, or interrupting a generation to inject some edits I made in Photoshop and then resuming it again, that's a medium.
ok I can see that
It was nice talking to you. :)
First of all, this wasn't that long at all. When people say long I imagine the 30 paragraph long novels people post sometimes.
Second, you probably already know this at an intellectual level even if you're not there emotionally, but you can't compare disabilities. Each person is different, so just because someone you estimate to have a more complicated disability than yours can make art that's technically more impressive than yours, it doesn't mean you should be able to as well.
Third, I understand you do not want to rely on AI. I don't know if it's for moral reasons or something else but it's not relevant. If you don't want to use AI that is your choice to make and not for me to challenge. However, I do think you might benefit from using some hybrid AI workflows to help you create something pleasing to you.
Fourth, there absolutely is a degree of talent. Unfairly enough, I do have some decent innate talent for drawing which I never actually cultivated because I had different priorities.
Fifth, I am aware you may not be proud of your creations, but I would love to see them regardless.
That's about it. Sending lots of love your way.
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although this isn't chatgpt, this is another app i found :) i asked it to make me as an anime girl aha
When I mentioned wanting to see your creations I was more talking about your hand drawn work, but these are absolutely adorable!
oh my bad 😥 i'm way too nervous to post my old stuff, but this does make me want to at least try drawing again. maybe i can make something worthy of posting someday :')
Please let me know if you do! I would love to see it.